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Post by sooner2 on Nov 27, 2017 11:03:03 GMT -5
Good weekend of games. Was driving during the Miami Pitt game and listening to the Pitt based broadcast. Was hilarious hearing the homerism. The Pitt guy was an ex Pitt player and it was really fun to hear him get all giddy as the win came into sight. "These high profile florida chain wearing kids on that defense.... just don't like getting hit in the mouth and having the ball run at them between the tackles!!..... they just don't!!.....'.
Auburn hammered Alabama. The game was not as close as the score indicated. Bama had zero threat of offense when auburn was good enough to limit bama run game and make hurts try to win by throwing the ball; something he has been incapable of doing . EVER. In his college career. But hey.... we can at least hear fucking Gary Danielson wax poetic about how calm his demeanor is. Ok. Guys... great. Pull your tongue out of his ass. And we call can agree that if he can't hand the ball off to a runner or run himself.... that he isn't worth at damn throwing the ball down field.... but hey... at least he's got a calm demeanor while not being worth a damn in trying to throw the ball downfield, right??
OU looked the same versus WV that they'd looked like the past 3 weeks. Get gashed on D for a quarter or two; play good d for one quarter. Then have one quarter of scoring 21-28 on offense and going up big and game over. Still question how effective this recipe will be against a team with a great d line and the ability to play tough man coverage from great athletic cornerbacks. If OU is able to beat tcu, we will have that question answered in january.
Really really get tired of WV dirtbaggery. They pull shit like that every year. Was really hoping to see OU send some messages in the second half to WV #88 with some ISOs, traps, doubles, and even a chop block or two. But alas... didn't happen.
Really grew tired of the commenators spending half the damn game discussing baker mayfield's emotional makeup and behavior. I could see perhaps a good 10 minutes devoted to the topic. It was big news after all. But shit??..... literally 20-30 minutes of in game commentary was devoted to the subject.
Egg bowl was a good watch. Hard to tell if msu was just this bad all along??? Or if the team merely just implored when their qb got injured and they knew their head coach was taking the Florida job. I would lean toward the former. Kinda funny to see metcalf do the raised dog leg pissing thing after his TD. No moral indignant outrage from commentators however. Hmmmmm.
Clemson is playing well. Seems like they really can turn it on when needed. SC was a decent team. And Clemson handled them soundly.
I'm sorry bat bama is out. Really. Who have they beaten?? Their best win was against a below average msu team. That's it. S e c is 3-7 versus bowl bound power 5 teams. If bama fans argue that they should get credit for beating fsu, then Florida should get dinged for losing to them, too, if you put fsu in, then it''s 4-8. Committee and espn will try to put them in. I agree. Assswipes like Braden gall are out there already tweeting and speaking on radio about "there can be no argument that during the bama auburn game, we saw two of the 4 best teams". I do think it will work itself out.
I think OU will hold serve vs tcu. Wisconsin will beat osu auburn will beat uga if Johnson is healthy. And Clemson will beat miami.
My personal rankings this week would be OU. Clemson. Auburn. Wiscy. Then its hard. Not many good wins in the next few. I'd actually have it Uga. . osu. Bama . USC. Psu. But it's hard to rank 5-8.
As each year goes on, i become more disgusted with the 'process / transparency/ accountability/ and reproducibility of the venerable cfbpc. These things lead me to desire a change to 6-8 team expansion with 5 auto bids with either 1 or 3 at large bids to be left up to the clown show or bcs type rankings. I do see some down sides to this however. Iv'e discussed some potential downsides previously. The one that is upfront in my mind today though... is this- If we have guaranteed spots to conference title winners, this could leave the door open for slimy art Briles type approaches to scheduling. Why risk playing tough non con if you can focus on winning your conference.
I do not favor the notion of expanding without auto bids for conference champs. Such a situation, i think, could lead to nba like 'resting' of players at year's end during games that wouldn't impact playoff selection. I think that if the conf champ games are guaranteed auto bids, they become exciting playoff games. The problem would be that many coaches would want one less regular season game in such a system. That is something that could be worked around. There will be enequitalbe schedules leading to teams like 2015 Iowa possibly getting in. There will also be episodes like mich state 2016 getting in; only to be slaughtered by an elite program like bama. I'm ok with that though. All you can ask for is that teams take care of business in whatever categories their conferences use to decide champions, and advance having won their title. Why have conference title games with the game doesn't determine who plays for the natty and who goes home?
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 27, 2017 11:51:56 GMT -5
And this coaching carousel is really interesting. I do not recall having seen so many big p5 jobs open at once before.
Florida makes kelly their top target. Kelly plays them for more money from ucla. Florida then announces that they have some concerns about Kelly not being an sec guy when it's clear that he is not coming. They try to save face. Kelly goes to ucla which is a better fit for him. Florida gets Mullen; who they should have gone after first anyway. Mullen will crush it at Florida, if he can deal with the wierd dynamics of administration and such. And if he can deal with having a mouthy potentially distracting force still very closely asscoated w the program with spurrier. Mullen was OC during Meyers titles. Has recruited Florida well. Has an eye for finding good qbs and developing them.
With ucla signing Kelly we will see how commmiteed they will be to football. And we will see how good of a coach he really is. Easy to win at Oregon with sugar daddy knight writing. Blank checks. Easy to be innovative with endless money for nutrition and sleep studies and drones and impact monitoring technology. Might not be as easy to win at ucla... despite the increased talent within a 3 hour drive. Ucla has been notoriously cheap in football funding. Have told coaches to hire coordinators on 90k a year salary. That doesnt' cut it in. Today's landscape. These days, the arms race needs your to have jets, endless army of nutritionists, therapists, and the new factor of 5-8 analysts- many of which have been accomplished coaches in their own rights. That costs money.
Sumlin out at txam. Beilema out at Arkansas. Miss state now open with Mullen leaving. Then there is this mess at UT. They still waste time trying to court gruden... then find sciano, but then pull plug after some he said he said stuff connected to what he may have known about but not informed others about during his time at penn state. Remarkably short sighted of the AD at UT. You have to know these things before making serious offers to a guy.
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Post by Baph on Nov 27, 2017 14:35:46 GMT -5
Pat Jones just said he knows for a fact that Mike Gundy was offered the Florida job about 2 weeks ago.
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 27, 2017 14:56:28 GMT -5
Pat Jones just said he knows for a fact that Mike Gundy was offered the Florida job about 2 weeks ago. Wow. No shit? He was certainly on radar if not handshake offered the Tennessee job several years ago. Now he turns down Florida. Wonder what his reasons were ? Just realized he is basically happy and content in Stillwater? Using Florida as leverage just to up his pay at osu ? Maybe he sees the obvious dysfunctional AD situation there and didn’t want to mess with a job w a disruptive media troll like spurrier having an office on campus and going on the airwaves to voice displeasure at your every misstep? Maybe he sees tha Florida kids often have attitude problems once they get to campus? Maybe he wanted the job but didn’t like the looming storms that might be brewing in Miami and Athens ? I’d hire surely work to hire gundy if I were UF. Dude can spot stud qbs in the forest and develop them to devastating effectiveness. I’m starting to think the guy truly will be a lifer in Stillwater. Will always make for angst as we look North. As an aside, I drove by his middle school just a few days ago and did my best al bundy story telling my wife of being on opposite sidelines of him. Hahaha.
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Post by Baph on Nov 27, 2017 15:09:05 GMT -5
He's certainly been suspected of courting these offers for contract leverage in the past. Tenn being the prime example. He was never going to take that job, but he floated it, refused to comment on it, and got a raise and contract extension out of the panic. Whether intentional or not, he used the Les Miles psychological wound to his advantage and rallied local media/boosters/decision makers to his cause and bullied the AD into complete capitulation.
I think lifetime job security in this volatile environment can't be over-stated. $3 mill/year isn't exactly chump change, either. And a perennial top 15ish team with vastly improved facilities and recruiting holds a certain allure. Difficult to predict what kind of control and tenure you're going to get in a new location. Is it a 2-3 year job? Does the AD get in your ass? He's king of the castle here and for the fist time in program history there are 4-star recruits in town, immediate re-loads happening, yearly expectations of success, etc. and you're in a situation where you're going to have to shit the bed so hard it breaks in order to get fired. I mean, OKST is a bowl win away from it's 4th 10-win season in a row. In historical context, that's fucking phenomenal. Lifer, IMO. And maybe in the next 3-5 years he puts together a playoff run if we can land some better coordinators.
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Post by Baph on Nov 28, 2017 12:14:06 GMT -5
Tenn is out of options, going all-in on Gundy, sending a plane out today and rumors of a massive offer on the table.
And he turns down $42-mill plus incentives. $7 mill/year isn't enough for the SEC to buy a Big 12 coach. Oh how the times they are a-changing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 8:33:15 GMT -5
Here's the thing: I don't necessarily think you "have" to win your conference to get into the playoff. Mostly due to the fact that the conference system is very convoluted to begin with (See Wisconson's conference schedule this year, or Iowa's a couple of years ago for prime examples.) However, in years past when people were talking about putting Bama in even if they lost-like it or not they DID look damn good. They passed "the eyeball test." You can't say that about this year's team. They haven't looked dominant. Their wins aren't impressive, and as mentioned they only have one win against a top 25 team, which is currently ranked 24th.
If Bama gets in, then this shit is an even bigger farce than we originally thought. There are a host of one loss teams that would deserve to go in before Bama, that all have better resumes and a better "eyeball test."
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 29, 2017 14:53:16 GMT -5
Didn’t watch the clown show. Saw the rankings.
Again, not really disagreeing with who the top 4 are. But the order and the process of arriving at that order seem flawed. Also, the continual conversation about who bama would jump to get in bugs me. They just don’t have the resume, nor the on field eyeball dominance that they have shown previously.
Some good games this weekdn. Hope to be able to watch at least parts of them.
I think Wiscy wins, as well as OU, clemson, and auburn (if Johnson is healthy).
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Post by daywork on Dec 2, 2017 19:28:44 GMT -5
Good game by Oklahoma but not a big surprise. Wow Georgia. I wasn't expecting them to beat Auburn. Congrats to them. My favorite game of the day so far was Memphis vs ICF. I had $550 on over 82 points Really hoping Clemson whoops up on Miami. I have $150 on Clemson ( I bought points, I have them at -7 and -10)
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Post by daywork on Dec 3, 2017 0:02:25 GMT -5
So with Ohio St beating Wisconsin will they put Bama in, or will Ohio St go?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 10:17:31 GMT -5
They are gonna put Bama in.
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Post by daywork on Dec 3, 2017 19:14:07 GMT -5
So we have
Clemson +1 vs Alabama -1
Oklahoma -3 vs Georgia +3
Great games. I think I will bet on Clemson. Oklahoma vs Georgia, man I don't know. Really good game.
I can't wait to see UCF vs Auburn. Just to see what they (UCF) can do.
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Post by daywork on Jan 1, 2018 19:46:13 GMT -5
Really happy Central Florida got the win over Auburn today.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 2, 2018 12:59:13 GMT -5
Oklahoma's coach really blew it the 2nd half and fell apart during the 4th quarter and overtime. After Mayfield threw the pick, he never went downfield again the rest of the game?? WTF. Running sprint sweeps with misdirection and throwing 3-5 yard sideline patterns is all they did the rest of the game. Going ultra conservative cost them and Georgia deserved to win as a result. I blame that entirely on the coach. What's the point in having Mayfield and not letting him try to win the game?
I was really looking forward to the multi-faceted Oklahoma offense testing Bama, but damn. Will be pulling hard for Georgia.
Alabama played incredibly against Clemson. I was very impressed and they completely dominated them. Clemson's defense played well but never had a chance.
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Post by Baph on Jan 2, 2018 13:14:48 GMT -5
OU v. Georgia was really entertaining. Just trading blows for 4 quarters and 2 OT. Big, palpable momentum shifts. Big plays. Strategic shifts. Good football. OU completely controlled the first half, even more than the score indicated. Was threatening to run away with it. Should have been up 17 at half. Georgia really adjusted both tactically and physically and really returned the favor in the second half, and came away with a critical blocked kick in double OT to all but guarantee a win. Was impressed with how well OU ran early and how well Georgia threw late. Didn't expect to see either of those things happen to that degree.
Both impressed and disgusted with Bama making it in despite not even competing for their own conference. Clemson didn't even belong on that field with them. Will be interesting to see, assuming a Bama win, how people react to a team that didn't win its own conference winning a national title. Will there be some Bama fatigue among football fans nation wide? I certainly have some. Will there be a response to the blatantly inconsistent and super secretive committee logic that puts conf championships above all else one year, but overlooks them in favor of an eye test the next?
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 2, 2018 14:01:29 GMT -5
Central Florida's win tells us we need 8 teams. Can't really use the Auburn wasn't motivated argument seeing how excited and into that game the AU coaching staff was, and Central Florida held their own and beat a team many of us saw as a legit national champion threat. Auburn throttled Bama and CF beat Auburn, and for that we should recognize they deserved a chance to sniff playoffs and it was impossible. But, even with 8, I doubt Central Florida could make the playoffs this year.
We need 8 teams.
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 4, 2018 12:31:47 GMT -5
A good year for my team. I knew that they would get burnt after playing w fire so many times in the third quarter with the defesne getting gashed and giving up huge plays. U simply cannot win at the elite playoff level unless you play good defense. As great as this offense was..... even “average” defense would have been enough to win. Think about it... this offesne scores high 40s on a damn good Georgia D. And the team lost.
Theee were some play calling errors on offense. Yes. But defense was the reason we lost. I wish georgia well. They fought hard and played shootout football; out of their comfort zone.
As far as playoff expansion ? I again can take it or leave it. The biggest advantages for expansion would be (for me at least ) would be that a provision could be made for auto bids by P5 champs. This would take more out of the hands of the clown committee. And it would force ND to seriously consider full time football membership in ACC.
Those are the primary reasons why I’d consider expansion. I think we might as well get rid of ccg ‘s. Since they have become largely meaningless. Expansion to 8 would be exceedingly difficult to pull off with keeping the ccgs.
As far as g5 ? I guess I’d be ok with a spot to the highest ranked G5.... but I wouldn’t like locking it up so it’s an every year thing. There could very well be years when the best G5 has 2-3 losses.
For me... expansion is all about more accountability and transparency of process. It’s about fewer playoff spots decided with the PROCESS of the clown show.... even if said clown show has provided us with the “four best” teams (in all likelihood) in at least 2 of the 4 playoff years.
As far as giving a G5 a Cinderella shot ? I could care less. For me, it’s all about rewarding a grueling regular season cfb team. And G5 scheduled just do not have the consistent opponents to make a G5 team worthy imo of a spot. Boise, or utah, or ucf can be content woth getting their one shot at a New Years six. Not a playoff spot. If it were possible for them to play a bama/ auburn/ Georgia/ OU/ Texas/ osu/ penn state type schedule , we would see that they would have 3-5 losses AT BEST . As it is, through no fault of their own, that kind of schedule is not possible.
I will alway use the examples of tcu and Utah. In their final three seaosns in mtn West... they were each roughly 33-6 or so. They eachbhad 2-3 Big wins in New Years bowls. “Bring in the big boys “. We said. “It’s a crime. Fucking crime!! That these fine teams don’t get a shot to play for it all”.
Well.... each joined a p5 league. And each was BARELY .500 or Sub 0.500 in the next two years in those leagues. Patterson has said blantantly that his first two years in b12 were brutal. He did not have the depth nor talent to compete in a week in week out basis. He could upset a team occasionally ... but to win regularly , he has fully admitted that it took time to develop recruits and depth. That’s the difference in G5 vs P5.
It’s just different in footballl. It’s not like basketball, where mid majors can piece together a schedule to be evaluated in equal footing with the major conferences. And honestly .... for all the talk about ncaa hoops being about the Cinderella , after the first week, it is not. It’s aboutbthe blue bloods. (I don’t watch ncaa hoops much though... I prefer “March matness” and I find the regular season of cbb worthless and unwatchable).
Look at the AAC. They went like 4-8 vs P5 this season. And their biggest P5 wins were the likes of .500 UCLA, Maryland, and Illinois, I think.
Ucf should be more concerned with the doughey underachieving meercat doofus of a Head Coach they just hired ; possessing the personality and recruiting acumen of a wet blanket , rather than parades and claims to a mythical national championship. They should just sit tight, fire huepel after a seaosn, find another solid coach , then play good ball woth some occasional new year six spots and upsets of a disgruntled P5 team, collect their check, and be happy. When the next round of confermce shuffles and Expansion comes around (and it IS indeed coming).... they can be in good position to be the next tcu or utah and join a P5 League.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 4, 2018 15:05:25 GMT -5
Oklahoma's coach froze and went into a conservative shell. I'm surprised you guys are not more upset about that. How can you NOT throw a pass downfield and intend to rely on your shitty defense in that game? That's what he did. Georgia deserves credit but the OU coach deserves a ton of blame.
As for the playoffs/bowl discussion I can't say I disagree, sooner. However, I would add that simply joining a power 5 conference isn't something every team is capable of doing AND we all know we have teams that refuse to schedule teams like Central Florida (and they ducked Boise, and TCU and Utah, etc). So these elite NON P5 are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Big boys won't play them in a home/home and they can't necessarily move to another conference and give up the local recruiting. They try and schedule opponents but get ducked. I think 5 conference winners + 3 extra teams happening soon and people want it and need it. Could Central Florida beat Georgia? Maybe.
I would like to see more transparency and discussion regarding scheduling and allow the public (and boosters) to chime in. The teams unwilling to schedule meaningful out of conference should have that held against them when considering playoffs. Bama can say all they want and is on a dynasty type run to defend themselves. Saban is one of the greatest coaches in college football history with time to prepare. BUT, they will be going on 10+ seasons of nary a road game out of conference. That's ridiculous if you are supposedly the best team and I will always see them with an asterisk.
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 4, 2018 15:58:47 GMT -5
Good points. Yes... I agree it’s hard to get games scheduled if you are a ucf or a Boise 2006-2012. It’s a lose-lose situation for the P5 school that Schedules them. Just like Oklahoma playing Tulsa. If u win.... you should win.... if u lose , you make their Super Bowl.
And I totally agre about st Nick and his avoidance of home/homes. Last time he did this was penn state years ago.
Expansion to 8 with auto bids to P5 champs could negate some of the problem. But think about it .... if u are a P5 program .... and u see what the clown show has done with putting in bama without a meaningful non con win.... or with Washington’s schedule last year? And u see that Wisconsin was two possessions away from getting in had the run the table? What’s to stop “some” p5 coaches from saying, “let’s take the Baylor approach. Let’s schedule patsies and vie to be an undefeated confermce champ.” There seems to be little consequence of weak non con scheduling in this era or clown show committee. The committee basically ranks teams to boost the results of the teams that they feel are the best teams to make those teams also “appear” to be the most “deserving “ as well. Just look at where and when they boosted the rankings of txam auburn lsu and miss state this year. And how they handled Michigan last year.
There’s no perfect system. Muchbifbthe clamoring for system change arises each seaosn often from fan bases whose teams were excluded. Theybwantbteh systen tweaked to accommodate their specific situation often times. But there is alway unintended consequences. Think about the Ohio state fans who demanded that conf championships should be the over rising factor when they gorbin over psu last year. Those same fans rallied under the opposite cry this year.
I just would like more transparency and accountability withbyhe clown show. Like we were promised. Now that we are in seaosn fourband we see they like to piss on our heads and telll is it’s raining ... I would not be opposed to expansion just to make the process more straight foward.
But all you s e c haters out there ? Dont for a minute think that expansion to 8 makes it less likely that we see and all s e c final game. It’s very likely just the opposite.
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 4, 2018 16:16:01 GMT -5
One solution I’ve heard for G5 isbto have their own national champion. They could have a spot seaosn tournament somewhat like the way fcs does. Of course .... this is in essence , the G5 admitting they don’t have a chance for the crowning of a national champ in the cfbpo... (which they don’t).
It would at least allow the g5 to generate income. In some cases, a lot of income. I think it has merit. I personally would love to watch it. And I do indeed think that some reasonably luctratibe tv money could be put up by fox or espn for rights.
Don’t think it’ll ever happen though.
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 4, 2018 16:29:39 GMT -5
I think the closest we may have ever come to a G5 playoff birth would have been Houston the year they beat OU as an opener and had Louisville on the schedule. Had Houston run the table that seaosn, it would have been hard to keep them out.
It would take situations like that for a G5 to get in. Two solid wins over flagship or near flagship programs , help with other P5 confercmes having particularly bad seaosns, and running the table. Style points.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 5, 2018 13:03:03 GMT -5
I would love to see an expansion to 8 not because I necessarily think 4 more teams deserve to fight for the national title, but because I think it would become the biggest and best sports tournament in the world. Maybe Ohio State, Penn State, Oklahoma State or Central Florida, etc, win 1-2 games in the playoffs or maybe they don't - but we would watch and talk about it. Occasionally we are going to see a 7 or 8 seed knock off the #1 and #2 and that's exciting, raises the stakes for ALL college football and would garner more money and more brand recognition for college football.
The Notre Dame vs LSU game was exciting and I enjoyed watching it. BUT, if that was Notre vs LSU in the first round of a playoff? How many more eyes are watching? The spectacle and drama would be fantastic for college football as a whole.
As for the cupcake scheduling in a P5 + 3 - let them. They still have to win their conference title to get in and if they don't, having cupcakes will probably keep them out of the +3 conversation.
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Post by sooner2 on Jan 8, 2018 14:19:12 GMT -5
There’s a game tonight on tv. 🙂.
Many nationwide seem to be saying they won’t watch. The last time we had two confermce teams in a natty atmosphere, we had some very low ratings when compared to usual title game ratings.
While I don’t think the ratings will be as abysmal as one might think, I do think they will be off a bit.
As for me? I’ll watch.
I honestly think Georgia will win. I like uga in a 24-17 type affair. It will all come down to special teams or defensive scoring for bama. If they get 6 from special teams or defesne , they win. If not, uga wins.
Regardless of this game outcome , I firmly believe this spells the beginning of a dynasty in Athens that will be comparable to that of Ohio state. They will be the kind of program that reaches the playoffs every other year and wins titles; but not atbthe rate we see from bama currently. That kind of stuff will never be repeated.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 8, 2018 18:35:17 GMT -5
I HOPE Georgia wins but don't think so. I recall how that Auburn defensive line made mincemeat out of Georgia game 1 and really interrupted their running game, and I expect Bama to replicate that tonight. I think Alabama pushes the freshman QB to beat them and he will make mistakes. I think we see Bama 31 and Georgia 13. Hope I am wrong!
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 9, 2018 9:39:36 GMT -5
What an amazing and entertaining game! Bama showed a ton of heart going to the freshman QB and he came through. I feel for those Georgia kids but that was all around awesome and one the best college football games of the year.
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Post by daywork on Jan 9, 2018 12:29:45 GMT -5
That sucked yesterday. Only because I wanted Georgia to win. I won my bet because I had Georgia +4 so I should be happy with that. But I just wanted Georgia to win.
Oh well, lets see what happens next year.
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