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Post by daywork on Oct 15, 2017 12:05:28 GMT -5
Big game for me next week is OKST @ Texas. We've seen Texas play USC and OU down to the wire, both games away from Austin. If OKST can go into Austin and TCOB, I'll get back on the hype train. Would love to see Pedo St knock Michigan out of the top 20. USC and Notre Dame square off. I would take Oklahoma St over Texas this week. Two weeks straight hard tough games for Texas
Penn St should win.
Don't really care for USC and ND
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Post by daywork on Oct 15, 2017 12:15:53 GMT -5
LMAO. I forgot about Clemson. I don't think they will drop them all that much. Probably the 5th or 6th spot. They do have some very good wins.
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Post by sooner2 on Oct 15, 2017 14:24:55 GMT -5
Wow. Fucking wow. In a weekend with no marquee matchups, the upsets really come out.
Clemson had their qb ko'd. Young kid seems to be a solid player, but that's a tough environment to enter into as your first major game. Dino babers knows how to call plays in that Baylor offense.
Washington finally faces a somewhat meaningful opponent and loses.
USC gets outmuscled again. Looks like this offseason will be another one where media babbling heads will declare that THIS is yet another year where USC is back and will threaten to win national titles.
Auburn proves again they were a paper tiger. Was their offense really coming of age this past month? Or was it just that they were running it up agaisnt some of the weakest foes in arguably the second weakest conference this season ?
Florida again shows it plays offense like old people fuck. And wore the worst uniforms in the history of cfb.
Wash state plays an inspired cal team and suffers its first loss.
Ok state humiliates Baylor ; much to my enjoyment.
OU beats Texas , but shows it was the less tough and physical of the two sides on the field that day. Look for Texas to be firmly back in the mix next year. Shit... would be surprised if they upset one of the three tough conference opponents they have upcoming (wv/ osu/ tcu ).
Also I am not liking the matchups between OU and tcu. I think the osu game will come down to who has a lead in the third. If OU has a two score lead, I think the trey sermon OU o line bulldozer show will work and ice the game. But if it's even or OU is behind late in the third? Game over.
biggest question now in ranking is... which of the current group of one loss teams have the biggest wins?
sad to see Nebraska fans leave early in the Ohio state game. That's an excellently fan base. Not their fault their ex AD made one of The dumbest hires ever in trying to find the most polite and neighborly Osborne like coach they could; ignoring that he'd never been anything but barely average before.
Nice to see Michigan struggle. Someone above said they didn't know why... but just didn't like Michigan. I don't like Michigan; and I can say precisely why. They have a coach who is a prick. A guy who feigns "competitiveness" in every soundbite opportunity he gets , and who fuckkng begs for twitter sensationalist bumps every chance he gets . A guy who gets mentioned in many Mount Rushmore type conversations and who gets credit for "winning the off season " every year. A guy who takes his school to satellite camps in Florida and Rome to get his name in the media and who bends every recruiting rule and gamesmanship rule in the book .... but who has the nerve to complain about a visiting locker room. A guy who recruits the best guys in the country but still hasn't even won his division And this.... in front of a fan base who thinks of themselves as one of the big boys , when they clearly are not. They've won exactly one half of one title since 1947. They do have a great tradition prior to then. I'll grant them that.
Its is for these reasons that I root agaisnt Michigan. It's mostly because of harbaugh. Carr was a decent guy.
Oh well.... this December and February when he has Derek jeter and Rick flair at his recruiting day press confermce .... he willl once again win the PT Barnum award for being "mr February ". But he will once again not get his team to the b10 confermce chanpionship game. Again.
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Post by daywork on Oct 15, 2017 16:36:19 GMT -5
LMFOA, fucks like old people. That was funny.
I said I don't know why I don't like Michigan. Mainly because I don't follow them at all.
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Post by sooner2 on Oct 16, 2017 8:26:10 GMT -5
Kinda difficult to rank top 8 or so now. This is a work in progress. This is an odd time of year where we deliberate and often rank one loss teams ahead of undefeated teams.
My ranking is not perfect. But here's how I have it.
Bama Tcu Uga Psu Clemson Miami Oklahoma Ohio state Wisconsin Ok state
Big weekend upcoming. Nd USC is a "playoff game ". Loser is out of the running. Good stuff coming up in this greatest of all regular seasons of sport.
Heard a radio host (Andy staples I think) actually say that tcu if win out would have substantial case at making the playoff... because....(wait for it......)..... "they have a bit of a GAUNTLET they have to go through ". Never dreamed I'd hear the "G word" used by any national media member regarding the b12. Made me grin just a bit.
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Post by sooner2 on Oct 16, 2017 14:33:55 GMT -5
Coaching carousel is in motion. Possibly the most turnover in many years.
Definite open jobs for next season.
Mississippi Tennessee Nebraska Oregon state
Likely jobs open
Central Florida (scott frost will leave somewhere... probably Nebraska) Ucla K state (Snyder very likely to retire )
Possible jobs open Auburn? Txam Arkansas Louisville (patrino highly likely to take one of the s e c jobs... rumored to be already in bed w Tennessee... and supposedly this is contributing to his teams bad performances this season )
So what say u guys ? It's a wierd time for new coaches. Not too many superstar OC/DC to consider. (Tee Martin? Sonny cumbie? )
Which current P5 coaches are taking new jobs next year ?
I say Purdue dude (brother?) makes a move. What about Dino babers at Syracuse? Patrino is gone somewhere. Leach get another shot at a semi big time name school?
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Post by Baph on Oct 16, 2017 18:50:56 GMT -5
Kinda difficult to rank top 8 or so now. This is a work in progress. This is an odd time of year where we deliberate and often rank one loss teams ahead of undefeated teams. My ranking is not perfect. But here's how I have it. Bama Tcu Uga Psu Clemson Miami Oklahoma Ohio state Wisconsin Ok state Big weekend upcoming. Nd USC is a "playoff game ". Loser is out of the running. Good stuff coming up in this greatest of all regular seasons of sport. Heard a radio host (Andy staples I think) actually say that tcu if win out would have substantial case at making the playoff... because....(wait for it......)..... "they have a bit of a GAUNTLET they have to go through ". Never dreamed I'd hear the "G word" used by any national media member regarding the b12. Made me grin just a bit. Kudos for having the stones to even attempt to rank this clusterfuck. But tell me honestly, do you think TCU is better than OU? Or is TCU just in the two spot because they haven't laid an egg? I've seen them play three games this year and I'm not blown away. I think they end up with 2-3 losses this season and I'd love for one of them to be an OKST rematch. Much in the same way it would be cathartic to rematch Iowa St and thump them by 35. Just to fly in the face of all logic and tradition, I'm keeping Clemson at #2 assuming the QB is back and healthy they're not getting beat by a TCU or a Penn St. Frankly Wisconsin is in the same boat. Yes, undefeated, but the eye test has not been wildly impressive, no ranked opponents, and beating Purdue 17-9 doesn't exactly make me think you're some sort of hidden gem that needs a chance against the big boys in a playoff setting.
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Post by sooner2 on Oct 17, 2017 10:01:53 GMT -5
It's hard to rank teams at this point in the season. Still early and again...it's that odd zone where one loss teams get ranked above undefeated at times.
I have always tried to make big wins; especially road wins, my biggest priority. That said, the juice surrounding wins does change throughout the season. For instance, the juice around bama's fsu win might not be now what it was then. Same with clemson's win over auburn.
And yes; despite stating i value big wins and resume first, i have bama as 1. I can only say that i see them; and theirs is a case where the eyeball test and the absolute dominance they've shown trumps all else. I know we should evaluate each season without a team's history taken into account, but i am only human. As such, i....'trust' this bama team to be the top ranked team now. Again, I'm not perfect. Now...if they lose, this eyeball gestalt thing i have with them will hold far less weight, and i will have no choice but to penalize them for their lack of big time wins. Again; that's not a perfect way to look at it, but it's how i would look at it.
So bama is one.
Then i have to try to decide between the next few undefeated and one loss teams; and i use big wins preferably among zero loss teams as my next priority. Tcu has two top 15ish wins; with one on the road at ok state. This a huge win. They have also solid wins over wv and Arkansas (road). Thus, even though i think they are not as good of a team as OU or bama or Clemson, i rank them second. Because at this time, they have no losses and two very good wins.
Uga has a very good win over nd. They are undefeated. And they have looked good. I can't find any blaring flaws with their case. I give tcu the edge over uga due to more top wins, and i give Uga the edge over psu because psu has only three so/so wins.... Pitt, Indy, and Iowa. And i put none of those wins near the caliber of the nd win or the ok state win.
Miami has two very good wins, but hasn't looked dominant. And they have one less game played due to hurricane. They would have had a good road test at Arkansas state had it not been for hurricane.
Clemson has a loss. A loss where they were highly favored. I have to penalize them for that. So i put them 5th. They have solid wins over auburn. Lville. Va tech.
Oklahoma has a really bad loss, but they also have a huge win. And that win looks better and better each week. It is arguably the biggest win of the season. No... they don't look great game in/ game out. But they deserve credit for that win. I have them 7 for now.
I have wiscy kinda low; i know. But they have no top wins. Iowa? Northwestern? And they have not looked dominant in those wins.
Anyway... those are my reasons for my rankings. It will mostly take care of itself as season goes on. I hope.... heheh
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Post by Baph on Oct 21, 2017 19:51:51 GMT -5
Another bizarre day in a bizarre season.
Here's a team I can't figure out. OKST is 6-1, only having lost to #4, has a prolific offense, and at least half of their games they look like refried dog shit. OKST @ Texas was almost surreal. One of the top offenses in the nation held to 10 pts in regulation and the notoriously soft Cowboy defense holds opponent well below season avg yet again in order to win an . . . awkward (no other word for it) game in OT. Another red zone turnover. Horrid special teams. Just flat and fuzzy yet again. But . . . somehow, this defense is a thing. One critical mistake by a corner resulted in a massive 80 yr run for UT to set up a TD, but outside of that that, they literally scored 3 pts today. Bizarro world is here. We live inside a dream. Texas continues to look like a big, physical, athletic team who took 11 USC into OT, took 10 OKST into OT, held a lead on 9 OU in the final 5 min of the game, but the fact remains they're 3-4 and the tailspin continues.
Speaking of teams I can't figure out . . . is OU good or not? They certainly look that way at times, but they also have a rare talent for making shit teams shine. Fourth week in a ROW they've been tied or trailing to an unranked opponent late in the 4th quarter. They've managed to win three of those, but damn, making a serious habit out of playing with fire and furthermore, out of dangling their golden QB on a knife's edge of injury. KState dropped 35 pts today (highest total in conf play) and lead for most of the game including a 21-7 lead toward the end of the half. By contrast, TCU held KState to just 6 total pts. OU just seems to fade in and out of focus where they're a top 10 team for 5-6 min and then they're in a daze for two quarters and have to rely on Manziel shit to dig out of a hole with :45 sec in the game.
Aaaannnnd speaking of teams I can't figure out . . . USC getting completely run over by Notre Dame at the moment, 28-0 and about to get worse.
Miami remains undefeated, I guess they're good, but they were up by 1pt on 4-4 Syracuse late in the 4th quarter and certainly don't pass my Herbstreet smell test with flying colors.
Hot take: nobody's good.
*Week after week Alabama continues to be the only squad who reliably takes out the trash, and does so with extreme prejudice. Tennessee broke one loose to score in the 3rd on a monster run, but outside of that it was 45-0 today.
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Post by daywork on Oct 22, 2017 9:19:44 GMT -5
What nothing about Penn St smacking around Michigan?
I didn't get to watch much of the games yesterday. Notre Dame and Penn St are the ones I remember as the big winners for the weekend. Both looked really good both sides of the ball.
Bama, I hope they play someone who can challenge them soon. Right now I just can't get into watching them. Yeah, they are killing teams they are suppose to kill. Not a lot of fun in that.
Miami. They are OK. I bet against them, Syracuse was getting 17.5 points. I couldn't pass that up LOL
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Post by Baph on Oct 22, 2017 10:49:27 GMT -5
What nothing about Penn St smacking around Michigan? I didn't get to watch much of the games yesterday. Notre Dame and Penn St are the ones I remember as the big winners for the weekend. Both looked really good both sides of the ball. Bama, I hope they play someone who can challenge them soon. Right now I just can't get into watching them. Yeah, they are killing teams they are suppose to kill. Not a lot of fun in that. Miami. They are OK. I bet against them, Syracuse was getting 17.5 points. I couldn't pass that up LOL It was a late game but I did watch it and loved every second of it. Any time Michigan gets some comeuppance it's a good day. But again, Michigan has looked really pedestrian all season. Penn St has a great ground game, but this was not a serious test. Michigan, even now with their deflated #17 ranking, is still over rated. ND on the other hand is positioning itself to take a power 5 conference team's spot in the playoff if this good week/bad week clusterfuck continues.
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Post by daywork on Oct 23, 2017 18:55:23 GMT -5
A few good games this coming Saturday.
Penn St vs Ohio St. Should be a very good game. Is Penn St legit?? I guess we'll find out. I took Penn St +7.5
Georgia vs Florida. Florida pissed me off the last two weeks. So I took Georgia -13.5. Georgia should win easy.
back with more
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Post by Baph on Oct 23, 2017 22:56:34 GMT -5
Incoming:
11 OKST @ 22 WVU is another serious road test for a personality disorder team with a lot of talent.
2 PSU @ 6 Ohio St is massive. Would potentially be Ohio St's second home loss of the season. Hard game to predict. Both teams have improved since some early season wobbles, but for my eye, PSU still looks pretty one dimensional.
4 TCU @ Iowa St looks like a fluff job, but ask anybody, it's one of the scariest games on the schedule, particularly when it's @.
14 NC State @ 9 Notre Dame will reveal more about the top 10 newcomer ND.
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Post by sooner2 on Oct 24, 2017 13:12:47 GMT -5
Looking forward to psu osu. Psu looked really good on offense last week. That is a damn good Michigan defense that psu ran and passed Big on. Psu TE is damn good. Will pose huge problems for Ohio state secondary. Mcsorely also a tough and heady qb who can run very well. Dude was a all state safety in HS.
Tcu faces a tough road test. Isu is no joke. (Btw..... one of the baddest men to ever wrestle, Nate Carr, just had his highly sought son sign with isu).
Nd ncst also will be a good game for nd. Might be tougher to run on ncst than it was to run on usc.
And what about nd? It might be one of those years where the stars alIGN for them. Say they run the table and beat some solid opponents like ncst Stanford navy and Miami ? Will the lack of a “13th data point” keep them out of cfbpo? Will the same logic be applied to them yaht was applied to tcu and baykorba few years ago? Hard to say. I personally think that ..... as much as I dislike nd and their arrogance for not being in a conference .... they actually would merit a spot if they run this table. They would have some very good wins. More than at least Baylor had a few years ago when they were excluded. Still a lot of fb to be played though.
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Post by daywork on Oct 27, 2017 18:38:49 GMT -5
Had to go out of town for a few days.
Anyways, yeah you guys already touched on the other really good games.
NC St is no joke or so it seems. Should be a good game against ND.
Iowa st vs TCU. I haven't watched any Iowa st games, but they seem to have a solid team that can give to top guys a challenge. They are there to try and win games.
Enjoy the games tomorrow.
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Post by Baph on Oct 29, 2017 1:25:54 GMT -5
What a stellar second half in the Ohio St vs Penn St game. Again, if there is such a thing, that was a good loss for Penn St. Still looked like the better team overall, controlled much of the game, Ohio St played inspired football in that final 15 min to rally back for a 1pt win.
OU had a pretty terrible opening quarter, and then played really solid football for the rest of the day. Just seems to be a lack of maturity on this team. Almost an . . . ADHD thing.
Notre Dame is making it's case, and that is not good news for the Pac 12 or the Big 12 with their cluster of one loss teams trying to make a playoff argument.
OKST had some turnover issues, but really handled WVU on the road in the rain and you've got to be happy about that. 240 yds on the ground, 220 yds in the air, 50 pts, Rudolph breaks school records for career yards, wins, and touchdowns.
Georgia continuing to look tough, remains unbeaten.
Bit story of the weekend is #4 TCU falling to this pesky Iowa St team. ISU now has TWO wins over top 5 opponents in the month of October. Good god.
Mich St loses in 3OT to Northwestern, which is important because it hurts the SOS for PSU and Ohio St.
This Miami shit is getting annoying. Bobbing along, beating unranked opponents by 3 every week, crawling up into that top 6-8 teams.
I guess Wisconsin is your new #4? What a bizarre fucking season.
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Post by daywork on Oct 29, 2017 10:35:02 GMT -5
Kind of an odd day for me. I watched a lot but feel like I missed everything LOLo I had the morning games on, but wasn't really paying attention. More just waiting for the afternoon big games. Afternoon games started, Georgia, Penn St, Notre Dame and I was just flipping between all of them. I had a lot more money on Georgia so I watched that one more. But between flipping. Just feel like I missed most of all the games. If that makes any sense. After Penn St lost. I was kind of down I guess. I won my bet with them but I wanted them to win outright. So after that I didn't pay much attention to the rest of the games. Now I'm looking at the NFL games for today. Thinking about who to bet on. Man, nothing is standing out to me. Don't really care about the NFL games. But ofcourse I'll bet on the Cowboys
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Post by Baph on Oct 29, 2017 22:53:44 GMT -5
Finally got to really sit down and watch the OKST @ WVU game and it was awesome. Cold, rainy day in Morgantown. Nine . . . yes nine, turnovers, and easily could have been 2-3 more. OKST lost three fumbles and had a pick-6 as well as a blocked punt returned for a TD. Frankly, the bulk of WVU's scoring came from OKST fumbles and blocked punts. Their actual offense was fairly well controlled throughout the game by what is continuing to look like a very solid defense for OKST. Also, the star RB for OKST goes out with a neck injury on the second play of the game. Now, if you tell me OKST is going to go to Morgantown, play in the rain, have four TOs, and Justice Hill goes out on the 2nd play of the game, I'd ask you how bad the butt whopping was. Instead, total composure, patience, discipline, and maturity with a balanced attack, more short passing, a finally healthy O-line blocking well, protecting well, and they drop 50 and win going away. This upcoming Bedlam game, after some early season deflation from both teams, is suddenly looking pretty damn interesting again. I think it all comes down to whether or not Rudolph and Yurchich can have some swagger and avoid turnovers. If so, I like OKST by 7-10. If not, it's a coin flip. And there's also the huge X factor which is Mayfield's ability to elevate his play to literally unstoppable levels. The question is, and remains, can he keep it there for four quarters? If so, man . . . tough, tough assignment.
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Post by sooner2 on Oct 30, 2017 9:00:03 GMT -5
Solid Saturday. Especially the 330 time slot.
I watched nd. Hadn’t seen them much. Solid running game. Mcglinchey and Nelson are a joy to watch. Seriously mean gents with great feet. They blocked well agaisnt a talented ncst d line. Adams also runs well. He’s kinda like Eddie George... tall guy who runs a bit tall but dips and hits when in traffic. The stars could be aligning for Irish. Even without a confermce championship game... if they win out they will probably be in due to their hard schedule.
Also watched psu osu. Really good game. Ohio state making tons of mistakes for three qtrs, then once they play crisp, they come back and win. This was a playoff game. Highly emotional game. Psu is done. They will hve no quality wins. They won’t get into b10 title game. A joy to watch this game.
Wv osu a solid performance by pokes. Rainy sloppy game. Pokes d played damn well. Good to see hill back in the game at the end; signifying his injury wasn’t that bad. West v held Washington as well as one can. And he still caught his share of big passes. Very impressed w Rudolph.
Then there’s my team. I’ve disowned them. This is week three that I’m a “only mildly invested observer”. And I confirmed that decision in first half of the tech game this week. First seven possessions of the game result in scores for both sides. ARE U FUCKING KIDDONG ME!?!? What a joke. OU d should have some pride. Was a good move for OU dc to bench starting DT and de. Third string guys played well and got some things done. OU is great at running the ball to close out games. I’ll give them that.
Bedlam should be a good game. Let’s hope both teams can play respectable defense. OU had better have a lead in the fourth Can’t give this poke squad any more than 17.
Still am yet to see Miami.
I would rank it
Uga
Bama
Nd Clemson Miami
Oklahoma.
Ohio state
Wisconsin
It’s very hard to rank 4-10. Very hard. Interested to see how committee ranks tomorrow.
Btw.... hilarious crowd shot in the osu wv game. Early in the fourth I think. Coming back from commercial , we see three guys some in camo I think cheering. I think they were osu fans. They have bud lite cans. One guy in the middle of cheering has a hiuuuge dip in place and does a nice big spit into the can. Yessssss!!!! Love it when we see funny spontaneous moments like that.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 30, 2017 12:26:18 GMT -5
Great weekend of games. I am listening to the radio on the way into work and someone is arguing that the biggest win of the year and most important for the college football playoff rankings is Ohio State beating Penn St. What? That is MORE important than Oklahoma going into Ohio State and slapping them around?? If they have Ohio State ranked over Oklahoma tomorrow it will be a joke.
My top 4:
Bama Georgia Oklahoma (best out of conference road win in nation and Iowa State loss not terrible) Notre Dame
Ohio State (cant rank them above Oklahoma) Penn State Wisconsin (undefeated but no great wins - will play someone in Big 10 championship) Clemson (losing at Syracuse is bad compared to other 1 loss teams) Miami (plays Virginia Tech and Notre Dame the next two weeks. Win both and they move into top 4). Oklahoma State (the team that can get out of the Big 12 with only 1 loss will have an argument for playoff).
Central Florida. Still undefeated and kicking the shit out of teams. Some games remaining against ranked teams.
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Post by Baph on Oct 31, 2017 14:15:07 GMT -5
Ranking a top 10 right now . . . man, I wouldn't even know where to begin. For some reason Clemson appears to have fallen off a bit. I was pushing them for a #1 spot then the loss, QB out, seems the chemistry is off a bit now.
Alabama Georgia Ohio St Wisconsin Penn St Clemson Notre Dame
Then this big cluster of OU, TCU, OKST, and Washington -- the good-but-inconsistent 1-loss cluster fuck -- and Miami directly behind that bubble.
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Post by sooner2 on Oct 31, 2017 14:49:34 GMT -5
I Have put mine up. So has ocmma and baph. I really have no idea how the esteemed honorable and just committe memebers will rank 4-10. It’s not like court cases there is no judicial precedent. They make shit up as talking points to justify what they do. 2 years ago it was game control metric . Last year it was “wins agaisnt teams w a >0.500 record. (Never mind that they fail to consider that a win over a group of 5 team or a fcs team with a > 0.500 record is NOT the same as a win of a power 5 team with a >0.500 record .).
I think they will have it
Bama Uga Ohio state Nd Clemson Oklahoma Wiscy psu Tcu Miami Osu Washington
And I also think it will be one of those deals where the loud and myopic contingent of OU fans will cry to the heavens with furious anger and righteous indignation... and will have egg on their face when OU loses either or both of its next two big games agaisnt osu and tcu. My team is too disgustingly inconsistent on defense. They will get burnt again.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 31, 2017 18:49:21 GMT -5
Georgia Bama Notre Dame Clemson
Oklahoma Ohio State
Nice. No issues with this and gives me hope they are trying to be fair.
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Post by Baph on Nov 1, 2017 1:00:48 GMT -5
You have no issues with Notre Dame being the #3 team in the nation based on their marquee win over . . . USC? moving from #8 in the coaches poll to #3 in the playoff poll is pretty friendly and clearly sets up their path to the playoff with only a hugely over-rated Miami and an imploding Stanford standing in their way.
Equally shocking is seeing Bama get leapfrogged. That is one of the most interesting things to ever come out of the committee. Actual brain waves? Would a Georgia loss in SEC title get a 11-1 Bama out of the top 4? Does this even matter? Is there any moderately likely scenario that gets any of the current top 4 out of the top 4?
Ohio St and Wiscy both took huge hits in the playoff poll. Ohio St down 3 spots and Wiscy down 5 vs the coaches poll. And what if Wiscy wins out, goes 12-0, which is entirely possible. They don't play a ranked team the rest of the season.
A bit disappointed to see OKST buried. Climbing from 11 to 4 will be nearly impossible. The scenario there would be a convincing 5 Bedlam win, a win @ the notoriously difficult 15 Iowa St, and a rematch of the only loss in the conf championship avenging 7 TCU. Those are three super high quality wins, and the @ Iowa St is one that you can't even put into context that most non conference observers would understand. A road win at Iowa St is a win over a top 10 opponent, end of story. But is that enough to jump Clemson or Notre Dame? Marquee blue blood programs with massive media influence and identical W/L records? Unlikely. And hey, this is part of the reason why we love this sport. Every game matters, and it's not just a saying. You can lose to a top 10 opponent, later avenge that loss, and still not make it in. Regardless, getting stuffed behind this really unimpressive Miami team just shows you how big of a perception hill you've got to climb. Beating #5, #15, and #7 in the next 5 weeks would do a lot of hill climbing, though. That's probably the toughest combined close out to a season of any remaining team.
Miami is about to be ancient history, though, as they run into a 2-3 game buzzsaw against V Tech, Notre Dame, and Pitt. Would be shocked if they won more than one of those, and wouldn't put money on even that.
OU has got to be thrilled. That Ohio St win early and the resurgence of Ohio St later in the season has really horse-and-cart pulled them out of a hole after what I'd generously call a rough October, losing to Iowa St at home and surviving nail-biters vs. Texas and really bad (0-8) Baylor team. To pinball through all that and come out one spot removed from a playoff berth is about as good as you can wish for. You can see the committee's logic in that triple of teams (OU beat Ohio St, Ohio St beat Penn St, thus 4, 5, 6), but OU @ Ohio St was seven weeks ago and I would argue the Big 10 schools are both playing better football now than they were in early September, and OU is not. Regardless, this clearly shows you the value, the reason, for scheduling high qualify pre conf opponents. You pick up a W there and it can pay dividends later and buy you a ton of street cred, so to speak. This is what Bama was attempting to do with FSU, it just didn't pan out. If Mayfield wants to make his Heisman case, they just gave him the spotlight. You are THE bubble team. Ok, prove it.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 1, 2017 1:27:46 GMT -5
Notre Dame beat up USC and NC State and had an acceptable loss to Georgia. Notre Dame has the best loss. I would prefer Oklahoma because they have the most significant win of the season, but am surprised and happy to see the committee NOT reward the Big 10, yet. I also don't hold OUs loss to Iowa State as bad as Clemson's loss to Syracuse.
Alabama doesn't have a win over a team with a single vote in the top 25. Neither do Wisconsin or Miami. The Big 10 hasn't done anything out of conference - like nothing. Michigan beat Florida. Penn State beat Pitt? Ohio State got thumped by OU. Wisconsin has played no one. Maybe they are a 4 deep conference, but they haven't proven much. Kind of like past SEC seasons where the beat each other and prop each other up. Penn State and Ohio State are solid, playoff conversation teams, but as it stands I don't put them in. Wisconsin is totally unknown at this point.
The Big 12 looks like the best overall conference. SEC has two beasts. Big-10 has 3 seemingly legit teams, but they haven't beat anyone out of conference. Then you have a Clemson team that beat Auburn and Louisville, but has a bad loss to Syracuse. Pac-12 looking mediocore. Notre Dame and Central Florida killing teams.
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 1, 2017 8:19:28 GMT -5
Interesting night of ranking. I have been very critical of cfbpc but I thought their rankings made sense and I don’t have many problems with them.
I had thought they would do their usual blue blood dominated, mostly eye ball based rankings. This is why I predicted they would rank bama, uga, tosu, nd, and clemson. I was wrong.
Their rankings actually were pretty close to my own. I had it uga, bama, nd, clemson. My 4-7 differ from them a bit; but are the same if I throw out the X factor of Miami. Was pleased to see that they still value a big head to head win when deciding between two solid teams; OU and tosu.
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 1, 2017 8:27:35 GMT -5
The one thing I heard in the post presser w holcutt that I didn’t like was the language surrounding the clemson question. IMO, clemson deserves their rank plain and simple due to their tough schedule and good wins. But to hear holcutt add the language about “they lost their qb for the Syracuse game and he’s back now and we see them playing well Moving doward as he develops more”?? That lays down two notions that I disagree with. First , I never want a loss or a win discounted based upon this or that team having injuries, or other extenuating circumstances. You played the game. You have to assess the results. That’s why the game was played. I’ve been consistent in this. I didn’t minimize OU’s loss to Florida in 2006 due to OU injuries. I didn’t minimize uscs losses last year due to them playing a different qb in the early part of the seaosn. I didn’t lobby for osu/MSU game importance to be minimiazed in the past due to bad weather. I didn’t lobby for osu to get a mulligan years ago when they lostvto Iowa State and misses out in a bcs berth.
I do not like language from the committe excusing losses due to injury. And I don’t like language from the commitee that hints at projections on how a team looks Moving Foward.
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 1, 2017 8:31:25 GMT -5
There were several things I was very happy with.
They gave props to non blue blood Iowa State for two huge wins. I personally would have had isu as the top 2 loss team. They do not, but they are close.
I also liked that they did not have Michigan ranked. I figured they would do their usual blue blood prefercnes and stick Michigan up there with two losses and try to give them “credit” for beating a fellow blue. Look in name only this season; Florida. Neither team has any business sniffing the top 25 this seaosn.
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 1, 2017 8:42:26 GMT -5
Didn’t like the 10-25 rankings as it pertains to the s e c though. I’m sorry, but miss state hasn’t beaten anyone. There is no way that the s e c should have 5 teams in top 25 and the b12 have 4.
I can see auburn there. But LSU and Miss state have no big wins; other than beating each other. It’s a minor flaw I see with their rankings though.
Overall, this was a decent set.
Door is still open for almost anyone to make a run and improve their resume with big wins. I personally see the table set for someone in b12 to make a run and if they can avoid cannibalism, they’ll be at the table in January. Ok state would be the school that I predict can get hot and win those big state games.
I still think clemson will chalk out the acc.
And although I don’t see auburn winning out, I kinda have a feeling they’ll ruin the seaosn of either uga or bama.
Greatest season of any sport. The playoffs are already in full force mode. Nd ncst was a playoff game. Psu osu was a playoff game. Bedlam is a playoff game. Whike there are flaws with the committee, I do embrace the drama that it infused into regular season games especially as October and November arise.
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Post by sooner2 on Nov 1, 2017 8:45:41 GMT -5
It’s a hard question to try to rank conferences. PAC 12 has the best record agaisnt the other confercnes , but they “look” the weakest. S e c has two excellent teams but little else. Acc has several solid teams but perhaps no dominant team like the s e c looks to have. B12 has arguably the best top 3-4 and the most depth , but has faltered in its key non con matchups, except for the OU win over tosu.
Then the b10 has its perrenial undefeated yet untested team. This year is Wiscy. Michigan is clearly off and not receiving the blind love from the committee like it did last year when it lost 2 consecutive games but remained in the top 5. Tosu is playing damn good agaisnt inferior competition and played a masterful 4th qtr vs psu. Psu looks solid and would be a team I’d not want to play if I were OU... but they also don’t have a marquee win; nor will they get one with their remaining schedule.
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