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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 12:10:34 GMT -5
I didn't mean to make you upset cup.
I've been hearing a lot of that line of thinking lately.
"Oh you could never hope to compete with the government-sponsored army."
The last country to defeat us in a war still doesn't have nuclear weapons or half the technological abilities of our Armed Forces. They beat us with home field advantage, and rifles.
By yourself with a Glock in an AR-15 you're probably fucked against any trained opposition. But in this situation where the government has decided they're going to enslave the population, you aren't going to be by yourself. You're probably going to have a lot of legit soldiers on your side.
But yes. Haha at the idea of Donald Trump engaging his country in that kind of Civil War. I can't see that happening with this president. But the previous one? For some reason I don't have the same difficulty seeing that.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2017 12:22:18 GMT -5
Also, it would make more sense to bring only 2 rifles with you on a mission like this. You wouldn't need 10, that would be too hard to bring into the room without drawing suspicion...especially if you're 64, old, out of shape, and drunk. Carrying ten rifles to your room when you only need two seems like a burn. Plus he probably would've stroked out carrying all that shit up to the 47th floor... The amount of weapons seems more for shock and awe purposes than for a well planned attack... and well planned this was, with room alignment and concert dates, etc.. there's one in every group... Eat shit, faggot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 12:22:33 GMT -5
Most people in service I know claim they would walk if they were asked to go against the people. Perhaps you should actually get to know some vets, police, active military, etc. Before making silly claims. Are you fucking serious? You couldn't tell I was kidding. Of course I don't think that would ever happen Jesus christ guys, get your backs off the wall and stop being so damn combative over every stupid thing. The second I make what I think is an obvious joke about something Trump would never do, I have Baph playing the "what about Obama" trope and you pulling the "I respect our veterans more than you", pandering horseshit Man this place really sucks sometimes Woah buddy. I was just stating my experience. I honestly couldnt teLL that you were kidding.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2017 12:25:42 GMT -5
I'm thinking this guy made multiple trips and spent a couple days assembling everything. 10 guns do not weigh that much. The ammo on the other hand, that weighs a lot. I could see wanting multiple guns to shoot, all loaded and ready to go. It's not like he was going to disassemble and have to clean then When I go shooting, I try to preload a bunch of magazines prior. Just makes shit easier. Couple bags on rollers and this guy could have brought pretty much anything into that room that could be broken down. Imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 12:41:23 GMT -5
My mom has shot an AR. She's in her 70's. It was about as stock as they get too.
Yes, dude does look a little on the feeble side. No argument there at all. But the guns are not that heavy. There is not that much recoil, especially when not stock.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2017 12:42:14 GMT -5
I was just joking guys, really, I'm not crazy. Haha. I highly doubt the government wants to revoke the 2nd amendment. And even more so, I doubt that they'd ever stage a false flag scenario to help garner support for their push to ban guns across the US...that' crazy talk.. I mean, the US govt HAS dropped nukes on a civilian populations before, but I don't think the government would ever try to trick it's own people. I trust them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 12:44:19 GMT -5
I have zero trust in the govt. But what I'm seeing, while not completely adding up just yet, is still something that one man could have done.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2017 12:50:25 GMT -5
I have zero trust in the govt. But what I'm seeing, while not completely adding up just yet, is still something that one man could have done. The crime scene pics look fucking staged, Imo. Could oldy mcmoldy pull this off, sure. Is it plausible? Sure, but on a low percentage kind of plausible. No one wants to examine the crime scene photos? He's under the bipod. No blood on the floor. The blood on his shirt looks dry, old. The guns are strewn about recklessly, not near the windows. Why bring ten but only use two? The crime scene looks highly staged, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 12:52:31 GMT -5
I have zero trust in the govt. But what I'm seeing, while not completely adding up just yet, is still something that one man could have done. The crime scene pics look fucking staged, Imo. Could oldy mcmoldy pull this off, sure. Is it plausible? Sure, but on a low percentage kind of plausible. No one wants to examine the crime scene photos? He's under the bipod. No blood on the floor. The blood on his shirt looks dry, old. The guns are strewn about recklessly, not near the windows. Why bring ten but only use two? The crime scene looks highly staged, in my opinion. Why does it matter that he is under the bipod? The gun he shot himself with is the one under his hand no? And has it been confirmed yet that only 2 guns were used? As someone that has been to many a crime scene during my days as a mortician, I have to say that blood doesn't look odd at all. I'm no specialist and it's been awhile, so of course I could be wrong.
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Post by Baph on Oct 4, 2017 13:13:34 GMT -5
Here's a fucked thought . . . he did this out of sheer boredom.
You're single, no kids, on the wrong side of 60, boozing and gambling have lost their luster, dick isn't working, no close friends, leaving the world behind and entering into a sad, lonely, pathetic phase of life completely alone. So you do the wildest, most taboo thing you can possible think of and go out with a bang rather than end up in diapers in an assisted living facility within 10 years, dead within 15, nobody at your funeral.
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Post by Baph on Oct 4, 2017 13:14:04 GMT -5
Most people in service I know claim they would walk if they were asked to go against the people. Perhaps you should actually get to know some vets, police, active military, etc. Before making silly claims. Are you fucking serious? You couldn't tell I was kidding. Of course I don't think that would ever happen Jesus christ guys, get your backs off the wall and stop being so damn combative over every stupid thing. The second I make what I think is an obvious joke about something Trump would never do, I have Baph playing the "what about Obama" trope and you pulling the "I respect our veterans more than you", pandering horseshit Man this place really sucks sometimes Eat shit, faggot.
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Post by PatSox on Oct 4, 2017 13:26:56 GMT -5
Are you fucking serious? You couldn't tell I was kidding. Of course I don't think that would ever happen Jesus christ guys, get your backs off the wall and stop being so damn combative over every stupid thing. The second I make what I think is an obvious joke about something Trump would never do, I have Baph playing the "what about Obama" trope and you pulling the "I respect our veterans more than you", pandering horseshit Man this place really sucks sometimes Eat shit, faggot. Not falling for that one. I see what you're angling for here. I get upset, and then you spin the whole "you can't tell when I'm kidding" thing back around on me I give you credit for the attempt. Not bad
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Post by PatSox on Oct 4, 2017 13:45:50 GMT -5
I didn't mean to make you upset cup. I've been hearing a lot of that line of thinking lately. "Oh you could never hope to compete with the government-sponsored army." The last country to defeat us in a war still doesn't have nuclear weapons or half the technological abilities of our Armed Forces. They beat us with home field advantage, and rifles. By yourself with a Glock in an AR-15 you're probably fucked against any trained opposition. But in this situation where the government has decided they're going to enslave the population, you aren't going to be by yourself. You're probably going to have a lot of legit soldiers on your side. But yes. Haha at the idea of Donald Trump engaging his country in that kind of Civil War. I can't see that happening with this president. But the previous one? For some reason I don't have the same difficulty seeing that. You didn't. I was just playing off what you said with a joke Vale's, and to a much lesser degree, Baph's response to what I said are what got me ticked
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Post by Baph on Oct 4, 2017 14:07:13 GMT -5
Not falling for that one. I see what you're angling for here. I get upset, and then you spin the whole "you can't tell when I'm kidding" thing back around on me I give you credit for the attempt. Not bad The grappling match continues . . . well done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 14:20:59 GMT -5
I didn't mean to make you upset cup. I've been hearing a lot of that line of thinking lately. "Oh you could never hope to compete with the government-sponsored army." The last country to defeat us in a war still doesn't have nuclear weapons or half the technological abilities of our Armed Forces. They beat us with home field advantage, and rifles. By yourself with a Glock in an AR-15 you're probably fucked against any trained opposition. But in this situation where the government has decided they're going to enslave the population, you aren't going to be by yourself. You're probably going to have a lot of legit soldiers on your side. But yes. Haha at the idea of Donald Trump engaging his country in that kind of Civil War. I can't see that happening with this president. But the previous one? For some reason I don't have the same difficulty seeing that. You didn't. I was just playing off what you said with a joke Vale's, and to a much lesser degree, Baph's response to what I said are what got me ticked My bad for the shitty last line I wrote. I could have been a little nicer than that.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 4, 2017 14:27:01 GMT -5
Guess the dude was a pill popper (valium). Maybe that is what we need to focus on instead of guns - the over-medication of our nation. Wasn't the columbine guy also on a prescription for psychiatric drugs? Some people can't handle going on/off them.
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Post by PatSox on Oct 4, 2017 14:57:19 GMT -5
You didn't. I was just playing off what you said with a joke Vale's, and to a much lesser degree, Baph's response to what I said are what got me ticked My bad for the shitty last line I wrote. I could have been a little nicer than that. Eat shit, faggot
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 15:03:48 GMT -5
Not sure valium would be the culprit here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 15:06:14 GMT -5
Most people in service I know claim they would walk if they were asked to go against the people. Perhaps you should actually get to know some vets, police, active military, etc. Before making silly claims. Are you fucking serious? You couldn't tell I was kidding. Of course I don't think that would ever happen Jesus christ guys, get your backs off the wall and stop being so damn combative over every stupid thing. The second I make what I think is an obvious joke about something Trump would never do, I have Baph playing the "what about Obama" trope and you pulling the "I respect our veterans more than you", pandering horseshit Man this place really sucks sometimes Something a dick sucking, pussy-ass fag would say...
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Post by PatSox on Oct 4, 2017 15:53:02 GMT -5
Are you fucking serious? You couldn't tell I was kidding. Of course I don't think that would ever happen Jesus christ guys, get your backs off the wall and stop being so damn combative over every stupid thing. The second I make what I think is an obvious joke about something Trump would never do, I have Baph playing the "what about Obama" trope and you pulling the "I respect our veterans more than you", pandering horseshit Man this place really sucks sometimes Something a dick sucking, pussy-ass fag would say...
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Post by adamg01 on Oct 4, 2017 15:58:10 GMT -5
The same people who call Trump a fascist are calling for our guns. That's how stupid they are. "Fascist" in power...but the people should be defenseless. What sort of defense could I mount with an AR15 and a Glock against a kill squad of U.S. Marines? If Trump wanted to wage war against his own people, we're dead. I mean he said it himself, he's really good at war. He loves war. Hell even if the generals revolted against him, he knows more than they do. The man is omnipotent. He's like The Emperor, Doctor Doom, Zod, Kahn, Thanos, Cobra Commander, Skelator, Ming the Merciless and Crooked Hillary all stuffed in to one big orange and yellow pinata You would have to have help, efficient with firearms and a hell of a game plan to not get wiped out. That's only if you surprised them and they only had small arms. If they were expecting a gun fight you would have no chance with the toys they could bring to the table. I know you are being sarcastic by the way. To some of the conspiracy theorists on here. What the guy did doesn't take a Seal Team 6 member. They were fish in a barrel. He had all of his bases covered for a massacre. You don't have to be Chris Kyle even at 500yda firing into huge crowds people who don't even know where it's coming from.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2017 22:28:42 GMT -5
Paddock was supposedly firing either bump or full auto for ten solid minutes...
How many rounds do you suppose he fired?
3000? More?
Where did all the brass go?
Did the FBI sweep them up super fast before they took crime scene photos?
""Oh that's a dumb question, hey look at this dummy who doesn't know as much about guns as me asking his "dumb" super logical fucking questions.. By the way I know more about guns than you.""
Ok, great, we're all Rambo, I get it, but wouldn't the hotel carpet have burn holes from red hot muzzles and brass?
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Post by Angelo on Oct 4, 2017 22:48:09 GMT -5
Paddock was supposedly firing either bump or full auto for ten solid minutes... How many rounds do you suppose he fired? 3000? More? Where did all the brass go? Did the FBI sweep them up super fast before they took crime scene photos? ""Oh that's a dumb question, hey look at this dummy who doesn't know as much about guns as me asking his "dumb" super logical fucking questions.. By the way I know more about guns than you."" Ok, great, we're all Rambo, I get it, but wouldn't the hotel carpet have burn holes from red hot muzzles and brass? Some brass went out the window according the person under him, and it wasn't 10 solid minutes. 10 minutes from first to last shot, not counting downtime. 30 rounds a magazine, Just re-watched, sounded like about 6 seconds of shooting, with 15 seconds downtime. 30-round clips, puts it at about 860 rounds. Some faster reloads here and there and what not, lets say just over 1k. Do to the way the brass builds up, plus the amount that was out the widow as mentioned before, he probably cleared it with his foot so he wouldn't slip. The picture are rather limited regardless, and seem to be a distance away from where he was shooting from.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2017 23:09:07 GMT -5
You'd imagine he'd be kinda sweaty after launching a ten minute, full auto assault while running back and forth between windows, reloading, dealing with thousands of hot casings and a red hot muzzle or ten... But I guess Rambo doesn't sweat... Because he JUST BLEEDS! I can literally count the shell casings on one hand here guys...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 23:10:50 GMT -5
Paddock was supposedly firing either bump or full auto for ten solid minutes... How many rounds do you suppose he fired? 3000? More? Where did all the brass go? Did the FBI sweep them up super fast before they took crime scene photos? ""Oh that's a dumb question, hey look at this dummy who doesn't know as much about guns as me asking his "dumb" super logical fucking questions.. By the way I know more about guns than you."" Ok, great, we're all Rambo, I get it, but wouldn't the hotel carpet have burn holes from red hot muzzles and brass? Brass is not that hot when it comes out... nowhere near hot enough to melt carpet. Also the brass would be within a few feet of the windows as it only ejects about 4-6 feet from the gun. I have not seen a picture anywhere near the window, so unless I havn't seen the pictures you have, i am not surprised to not see any spent brass.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 23:13:44 GMT -5
You'd imagine he'd be kinda sweaty after launching a ten minute, full auto assault while running back and forth between windows, reloading, dealing with thousands of hot casings and a red hot muzzle or ten... But I guess Rambo doesn't sweat... Because he JUST BLEEDS! I can literally count the shell casings on one hand here guys... I think you are overestimating how hard it is to shoot guns. From the video I have seen, there is substantial time between groups of shooting. I am guessing he didn't necessarily go window to window between those groups either. Standing or kneeling and shooting full or semi auto with tripods, benches or even just prone is not at all physically taxing, and there is no noticeable heat from the gun or the casings that would make you hot, especially with the windows open.
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Post by Baph on Oct 4, 2017 23:29:21 GMT -5
Heard some super interesting shit in the LVPD press conf today.
They think he was at least partly shooting at fuel storage tankers on the other side of the lot that hold thousands of gallons of aircraft fuel.
Explosives were found in his room, in his car, and at his home.
He had an escape plan, but it didn't work, and plan B was to take a selfie with a .40 cal.
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Post by Comrade Question on Oct 4, 2017 23:40:52 GMT -5
You'd imagine he'd be kinda sweaty after launching a ten minute, full auto assault while running back and forth between windows, reloading, dealing with thousands of hot casings and a red hot muzzle or ten... But I guess Rambo doesn't sweat... Because he JUST BLEEDS! I can literally count the shell casings on one hand here guys... You've got 20+ fingers on one hand?
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Post by Angelo on Oct 4, 2017 23:44:37 GMT -5
You'd imagine he'd be kinda sweaty after launching a ten minute, full auto assault while running back and forth between windows, reloading, dealing with thousands of hot casings and a red hot muzzle or ten... But I guess Rambo doesn't sweat... Because he JUST BLEEDS! I can literally count the shell casings on one hand here guys... First off, it isn't that physically demanding to shoot a supported rifle, as pointed out here. Second off, Who knows what he was running AC at Third off, He had two open windows on a cool night with a breeze. Chances are he wasn't gonna be sweating. The dude was psycho it seems. Probably sitting there holding the trigger whistling something, nothing that stressful for him. Oh bonus... freaky hands if you can count that on a single one.
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Post by matt on Oct 5, 2017 0:51:23 GMT -5
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