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Post by Comrade Question on Oct 3, 2017 17:48:55 GMT -5
I'm trying to think of another example where absolutely NO motive was evident, NO profiles match-up, and NO evidence leaks out to the press in the following days. Can anyone else think of such an example as this? Sandy hook? Can someone please share some Sandy hook crime scene photos...the ones with blood and dead bodies? ...not because I enjoy death...but because I'm a natural born skeptic and i dont believe it happened. And yes, I'm sure drunk ass, Oldy McMoldly Pants pulled this off ALL on his lonesome... You recite Alex Jones conspiracy theories and have literally posted made up news from a fake news (that has a disclaimer announcing its fakeness), and you call yourself a skeptic? odrefugees.proboards.com/post/31721/threadI mean, is there anybody on this site more credulous than you? Could it be that you're not a skeptic, just an asshole who wants to see pictures of murdered children for some fucking reason?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 19:19:46 GMT -5
The same people who call Trump a fascist are calling for our guns.
That's how stupid they are. "Fascist" in power...but the people should be defenseless.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 20:04:37 GMT -5
Any of you guys seen the video footage of the gunshots coming from the 10th floor? There's multiple angles from multiple sources.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 3, 2017 20:22:11 GMT -5
Any of you guys seen the video footage of the gunshots coming from the 10th floor? There's multiple angles from multiple sources. Link some, that would be a huge gamechanger.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 3, 2017 20:35:56 GMT -5
Any of you guys seen the video footage of the gunshots coming from the 10th floor? There's multiple angles from multiple sources. Yes. Not sure what it means (2nd shooter, the actual shooter) but that looks credible and comes from taxis and uber drivers on the scene. I'm also very confident they have all kinds of surveillance from surrounding hotels that should shed some light on this. I would imagine it has already been confiscated by the FBI but hopefully we see some.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 20:37:10 GMT -5
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Post by Angelo on Oct 3, 2017 20:43:17 GMT -5
Granted I'm deaf-ish.... so please correct these points that I see... 1. The "muzzle flashes" don't line up with the gunfire. Continues for almost a second afterwards (and the window is not broke nor' open) 2. The sounds from all the videos make it seem like a single weapon. To me, seems more like a reflecting light from across the way. edit: Also the muzzle flashes are vertical only it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 20:48:24 GMT -5
I'm sure the lightning that struck you sounded like it happened at the same time as the Thunder. But you'll see the muzzle flash before you will hear the gunblast from the distance that these videos are being filmed.
I don't know what the deal is with the lower floors on Mandalay Bay. But if it was on the 4th floor, is it conceivable that he could have just opened one of the windows?
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Post by Angelo on Oct 3, 2017 20:55:38 GMT -5
I'm sure the lightning that struck you sounded like it happened at the same time as the Thunder. But you'll see the muzzle flash before you will hear the gunblast from the distance that these videos are being filmed. I don't know what the deal is with the lower floors on Mandalay Bay. But if it was on the 4th floor, is it conceivable that he could have just opened one of the windows? Okay.... Continue explaining considering this... 1. No depth to the muzzle flash, it was flat. Makes it seem like it was reflection (potentially from the other muzzleflash given the shape of the building?) 2. The speed of light and the speed of sound... do the math, you don't have a half-second delay from that distance. edit: Also, does anyone here actually think it sounds like more than one shooter?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2017 22:06:59 GMT -5
I'm sure the lightning that struck you sounded like it happened at the same time as the Thunder. But you'll see the muzzle flash before you will hear the gunblast from the distance that these videos are being filmed. I don't know what the deal is with the lower floors on Mandalay Bay. But if it was on the 4th floor, is it conceivable that he could have just opened one of the windows? Okay.... Continue explaining considering this... 1. No depth to the muzzle flash, it was flat. Makes it seem like it was reflection (potentially from the other muzzleflash given the shape of the building?) 2. The speed of light and the speed of sound... do the math, you don't have a half-second delay from that distance. edit: Also, does anyone here actually think it sounds like more than one shooter? It doesn't sound like more than one shooter. Muzzle flash is flat when it's pointed at you. None of the videos are long enough to show if there are gunshots occurring above where the Flash is happening. Speed of light speed of sound and then frame rate. You got to factor in the equipment they are recording on, too, genius. I'm not saying that there is definitely a second shooter. I am saying there's something weird going on there.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 3, 2017 22:19:36 GMT -5
Okay.... Continue explaining considering this... 1. No depth to the muzzle flash, it was flat. Makes it seem like it was reflection (potentially from the other muzzleflash given the shape of the building?) 2. The speed of light and the speed of sound... do the math, you don't have a half-second delay from that distance. edit: Also, does anyone here actually think it sounds like more than one shooter? It doesn't sound like more than one shooter. Muzzle flash is flat when it's pointed at you. None of the videos are long enough to show if there are gunshots occurring above where the Flash is happening. Speed of light speed of sound and then frame rate. You got to factor in the equipment they are recording on, too, genius. I'm not saying that there is definitely a second shooter. I am saying there's something weird going on there. 1. I did factor them in the frame rate, which made it less likely there was second shooter. 2. The video was at an angle which would have had a depth to it for a muzzle flash (which I wish I didn't know from experience). This was flat instead which from that angle means reflection. 3. You admit it sounded like more than one shooter. Go shoot some guns with your father or someone, or listen to videos of multiple people shooting automatic weapons... it has a very different sound. I agree that there is some weird shit going on, there are a ton of things that just don't make sense, don't add up... but multiple shooters is Markshark territory. edit: Also unless something changed... the Mandalay Bay windows cannot be opened vertically, which means there would be a broken window there.
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Post by MMAJim on Oct 3, 2017 23:08:05 GMT -5
I've just emerged from the rabbit hole that is "Crisis Actors." Call me naive or whatever you want, I was not aware of this phenomenon at all. Do your own youtube search to explore. I don't think the existence of these fake witnesses necessarily proves a conspiracy but it certainly cracks open the door. Sleezey and sloppy 'news' reporting could certain account for a lot of it, but consider more open to the false flag discussions on many topics now. Embed FAIL www.youtube.com/watch?v=pypZtS9xXhUJust a little taste, there is another video, can't find a short version, but its a 'witness' whose 'buddy' gets shot 3 times in the chest, he drags him through the streets and over fences.. and yet never bled out. He seems on the verge of laughing the entire interview.
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Post by Baph on Oct 3, 2017 23:19:41 GMT -5
So leading up to the shooting . . . Spends up to $100,000 on top of the line rifles, high end scopes and optics, high capacity magazines, tripods, modified firing mechanisms, and top quality ammunition. Sends $100,000 to the Philippines. Pisses away $45,000 gambling. Books high end suite for a week, roughly $10,000. Sets up GoPro in the hallway, both directions, and another in the room to record the act. Waits until final act, final song, on final night of festival for maximum attendance, and then unleashes everything he's got until they're breaking down the door, at which point he puts a hot one in his own mouth. Leaves behind $2,000,000.00+ in the bank, several rental properties, two large homes, and a long term girlfriend.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 3, 2017 23:26:26 GMT -5
I wonder if he was pressured into it. That transfer was ransom for his GF or something like that. At least I hope so.
This random shit is scarier than some jihadist, than some cold war.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2017 0:01:50 GMT -5
So leading up to the shooting . . . Spends up to $100,000 on top of the line rifles, high end scopes and optics, high capacity magazines, tripods, modified firing mechanisms, and top quality ammunition. Sends $100,000 to the Philippines. Pisses away $45,000 gambling. Books high end suite for a week, roughly $10,000. Sets up GoPro in the hallway, both directions, and another in the room to record the act. Waits until final act, final song, on final night of festival for maximum attendance, and then unleashes everything he's got until they're breaking down the door, at which point he puts a hot one in his own mouth. Leaves behind $2,000,000.00+ in the bank, several rental properties, two large homes, and a long term girlfriend. Sweet body pic. Ok, internet gumshoe time...so let's sift through these photos. It's interesting that his rifle bipod is laying on TOP of his leg like that(seemingly detached from the rifle?), even though it appears that's not the weapon he shot himself with... Here's a quick list of odd details about the official story... ...number 11 on the list is fucking hilarious...the inept FBI wrapped this up nicely... (I don't personally like Isis for this attack, btw) www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-lone-gunman-theory-of-las-vegas-shooter-is-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html#
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2017 0:05:41 GMT -5
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 4, 2017 0:09:57 GMT -5
So leading up to the shooting . . . Spends up to $100,000 on top of the line rifles, high end scopes and optics, high capacity magazines, tripods, modified firing mechanisms, and top quality ammunition. Sends $100,000 to the Philippines. Pisses away $45,000 gambling. Books high end suite for a week, roughly $10,000. Sets up GoPro in the hallway, both directions, and another in the room to record the act. Waits until final act, final song, on final night of festival for maximum attendance, and then unleashes everything he's got until they're breaking down the door, at which point he puts a hot one in his own mouth. Leaves behind $2,000,000.00+ in the bank, several rental properties, two large homes, and a long term girlfriend. Sweet body pic. Ok, internet gumshoe time...so let's sift through these photos. It's interesting that his rifle bipod is laying on TOP of his leg like that(seemingly detached from the rifle?), even though it appears that's not the weapon he shot himself with... Here's a quick list of odd details about the official story... ...number 11 on the list is fucking hilarious...the inept FBI wrapped this up nicely. www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-lone-gunman-theory-of-las-vegas-shooter-is-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html#Once the FBI became involved that Sheriff was reading talking points they handed him. We need to wait and see what else they reveal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 0:28:55 GMT -5
So leading up to the shooting . . . Spends up to $100,000 on top of the line rifles, high end scopes and optics, high capacity magazines, tripods, modified firing mechanisms, and top quality ammunition. Sends $100,000 to the Philippines. Pisses away $45,000 gambling. Books high end suite for a week, roughly $10,000. Sets up GoPro in the hallway, both directions, and another in the room to record the act. Waits until final act, final song, on final night of festival for maximum attendance, and then unleashes everything he's got until they're breaking down the door, at which point he puts a hot one in his own mouth. Leaves behind $2,000,000.00+ in the bank, several rental properties, two large homes, and a long term girlfriend. Sweet body pic. Ok, internet gumshoe time...so let's sift through these photos. It's interesting that his rifle bipod is laying on TOP of his leg like that(seemingly detached from the rifle?), even though it appears that's not the weapon he shot himself with... Here's a quick list of odd details about the official story... ...number 11 on the list is fucking hilarious...the inept FBI wrapped this up nicely... (I don't personally like Isis for this attack, btw) www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-lone-gunman-theory-of-las-vegas-shooter-is-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html#This list is a joke... Stamina to fire auto rifles for 10 minutes? AK's and .223's barely have any recoil when they have a muzzle break and have gas fed actions You need multiple guns for sheer efficiency. You can pre-load 10 guns with 30 - 100 mags, and just go from one to the next without any needed time to change mags or have the lights on to see what you are doing. Also, barrels overheat and the likelyhood of a jam goes up with the heat increase. Most of my friends and I are very well versed at building and maintaining guns, and none of us have any military training. I also tell nobody about what I do with guns or what guns I have. 98% of the people I associate with have no idea I even own a gun. In the video you cab barely see the lights in the windows in the hotel. You would be hard pressed to see a muzzle flash especially if he was using muzzle breaks and firing from inside the room without sticking the barrel out of the windows. The "multiple gun" argument based on those videos is wrong. You can clearly hear the actual gunshots individually and also hear the secondary echo of shots that are not coming straight at the camera man. Anyone who has hunted knows that a few degrees of aim makes the gunshot sound completely different.
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Post by PatSox on Oct 4, 2017 1:09:10 GMT -5
The same people who call Trump a fascist are calling for our guns. That's how stupid they are. "Fascist" in power...but the people should be defenseless. What sort of defense could I mount with an AR15 and a Glock against a kill squad of U.S. Marines? If Trump wanted to wage war against his own people, we're dead. I mean he said it himself, he's really good at war. He loves war. Hell even if the generals revolted against him, he knows more than they do. The man is omnipotent. He's like The Emperor, Doctor Doom, Zod, Kahn, Thanos, Cobra Commander, Skelator, Ming the Merciless and Crooked Hillary all stuffed in to one big orange and yellow pinata
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Post by Baph on Oct 4, 2017 1:28:02 GMT -5
The same people who call Trump a fascist are calling for our guns. That's how stupid they are. "Fascist" in power...but the people should be defenseless. What sort of defense could I mount with an AR15 and a Glock against a kill squad of U.S. Marines? If Trump wanted to wage war against his own people, we're dead. I mean he said it himself, he's really good at war. He loves war. Hell even if the generals revolted against him, he knows more than they do. The man is omnipotent. He's like The Emperor, Doctor Doom, Zod, Kahn, Thanos, Cobra Commander, Skelator, Ming the Merciless and Crooked Hillary all stuffed in to one big orange and yellow pinata Actually that was Obama who bragged to an aide that he's really good at killing people. This was after the peace prize, fyi. He just does it way smoother so nobody seems to give a fuck that he's an equally sociopath narcissist as the current guy. Go figure. Style points really are the best seasoning. What good did some shitty old soviet AKs do against the entire Russian army in Afghanistan? How many Marines would follow said orders? How many civilian IT specialists would bring the government's communications down? How many states would outright secede at the sight of such and act or merely the order thereof? It ain't that fucking easy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 6:47:55 GMT -5
The same people who call Trump a fascist are calling for our guns. That's how stupid they are. "Fascist" in power...but the people should be defenseless. What sort of defense could I mount with an AR15 and a Glock against a kill squad of U.S. Marines?Next time I'm around any of the Vietnam Vets, I'll ask them. I think they might say, "A successful one."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 9:24:12 GMT -5
The same people who call Trump a fascist are calling for our guns. That's how stupid they are. "Fascist" in power...but the people should be defenseless. What sort of defense could I mount with an AR15 and a Glock against a kill squad of U.S. Marines? If Trump wanted to wage war against his own people, we're dead. I mean he said it himself, he's really good at war. He loves war. Hell even if the generals revolted against him, he knows more than they do. The man is omnipotent. He's like The Emperor, Doctor Doom, Zod, Kahn, Thanos, Cobra Commander, Skelator, Ming the Merciless and Crooked Hillary all stuffed in to one big orange and yellow pinata Most people in service I know claim they would walk if they were asked to go against the people. Perhaps you should actually get to know some vets, police, active military, etc. Before making silly claims.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 9:26:08 GMT -5
Sweet body pic. Ok, internet gumshoe time...so let's sift through these photos. It's interesting that his rifle bipod is laying on TOP of his leg like that(seemingly detached from the rifle?), even though it appears that's not the weapon he shot himself with... Here's a quick list of odd details about the official story... ...number 11 on the list is fucking hilarious...the inept FBI wrapped this up nicely... (I don't personally like Isis for this attack, btw) www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-lone-gunman-theory-of-las-vegas-shooter-is-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html#This list is a joke... Stamina to fire auto rifles for 10 minutes? AK's and .223's barely have any recoil when they have a muzzle break and have gas fed actions You need multiple guns for sheer efficiency. You can pre-load 10 guns with 30 - 100 mags, and just go from one to the next without any needed time to change mags or have the lights on to see what you are doing. Also, barrels overheat and the likelyhood of a jam goes up with the heat increase. Most of my friends and I are very well versed at building and maintaining guns, and none of us have any military training. I also tell nobody about what I do with guns or what guns I have. 98% of the people I associate with have no idea I even own a gun. In the video you cab barely see the lights in the windows in the hotel. You would be hard pressed to see a muzzle flash especially if he was using muzzle breaks and firing from inside the room without sticking the barrel out of the windows. The "multiple gun" argument based on those videos is wrong. You can clearly hear the actual gunshots individually and also hear the secondary echo of shots that are not coming straight at the camera man. Anyone who has hunted knows that a few degrees of aim makes the gunshot sound completely different. This. Unless you come shooting with me, you don't see my guns. I don't talk about them with just anyone. And not even my girl has seen my entire stash. Just not something I'm willing to share with just anyone. That list is a joke, as is the author and that whole site. Looks like a fucking nut job site.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2017 9:51:26 GMT -5
Sweet body pic. Ok, internet gumshoe time...so let's sift through these photos. It's interesting that his rifle bipod is laying on TOP of his leg like that(seemingly detached from the rifle?), even though it appears that's not the weapon he shot himself with... Here's a quick list of odd details about the official story... ...number 11 on the list is fucking hilarious...the inept FBI wrapped this up nicely... (I don't personally like Isis for this attack, btw) www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-lone-gunman-theory-of-las-vegas-shooter-is-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html#This list is a joke... Stamina to fire auto rifles for 10 minutes? AK's and .223's barely have any recoil when they have a muzzle break and have gas fed actions You need multiple guns for sheer efficiency. You can pre-load 10 guns with 30 - 100 mags, and just go from one to the next without any needed time to change mags or have the lights on to see what you are doing. Also, barrels overheat and the likelyhood of a jam goes up with the heat increase. Most of my friends and I are very well versed at building and maintaining guns, and none of us have any military training. I also tell nobody about what I do with guns or what guns I have. 98% of the people I associate with have no idea I even own a gun. In the video you cab barely see the lights in the windows in the hotel. You would be hard pressed to see a muzzle flash especially if he was using muzzle breaks and firing from inside the room without sticking the barrel out of the windows. The "multiple gun" argument based on those videos is wrong. You can clearly hear the actual gunshots individually and also hear the secondary echo of shots that are not coming straight at the camera man. Anyone who has hunted knows that a few degrees of aim makes the gunshot sound completely different. In the pictures it's quite obvious that he had all his guns strategically arranged near the windows and ready to fire...thats why they're piled on the couch, right? you went ape shit on my list that was supposed to be comical...great work. But I was more hoping to discuss the pictures, and why he's positioned underneath his bipod, an odd way to land after shooting yourself. If he wasted himself with the rifle that's laying on top of him, I'd imagine some blood spatter on his clothing and on the floor, which doesn't seem to be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 10:10:13 GMT -5
I have a shit ton of guns. I don't even know why at this point. But I just keep on getting more and more and more and more and more and more. Running out of room in the safe.
Wife says I should just stop getting guns.
Self says, I just need a bigger safe.
I only have a handgun in my bedroom. For my 40th birthday I got a sweet machete. That is right next to my bed. But I don't know when I would ever actually use that because anybody coming into the house is going to set off the alarm. If I hear the alarm, the gun can be in my hands and loaded in less than 30 seconds.
I don't really care who knows what I have.
And I think that might be the difference between living in a place like Maine and living in a place like California. I have less friends who do not own guns than I do friends that own guns.
My five year old still has trouble catching a football, but he can hit a trash can with a BB gun from 20 yards out.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2017 10:15:36 GMT -5
He supposedly used bump stock mods on his semi autos.
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Post by matt on Oct 4, 2017 10:30:06 GMT -5
Also, it would make more sense to bring only 2 rifles with you on a mission like this. You wouldn't need 10, that would be too hard to bring into the room without drawing suspicion...especially if you're 64, old, out of shape, and drunk. Carrying ten rifles to your room when you only need two seems like a burn. Plus he probably would've stroked out carrying all that shit up to the 47th floor...
The amount of weapons seems more for shock and awe purposes than for a well planned attack... and well planned this was, with room alignment and concert dates, etc..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 10:42:49 GMT -5
I'm thinking this guy made multiple trips and spent a couple days assembling everything. 10 guns do not weigh that much.
The ammo on the other hand, that weighs a lot.
I could see wanting multiple guns to shoot, all loaded and ready to go. It's not like he was going to disassemble and have to clean then When I go shooting, I try to preload a bunch of magazines prior. Just makes shit easier.
Couple bags on rollers and this guy could have brought pretty much anything into that room that could be broken down. Imo.
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Post by HumanAgent on Oct 4, 2017 11:42:54 GMT -5
Also, it would make more sense to bring only 2 rifles with you on a mission like this. You wouldn't need 10, that would be too hard to bring into the room without drawing suspicion...especially if you're 64, old, out of shape, and drunk. Carrying ten rifles to your room when you only need two seems like a burn. Plus he probably would've stroked out carrying all that shit up to the 47th floor... The amount of weapons seems more for shock and awe purposes than for a well planned attack... and well planned this was, with room alignment and concert dates, etc.. there's one in every group...
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Post by PatSox on Oct 4, 2017 11:52:43 GMT -5
What sort of defense could I mount with an AR15 and a Glock against a kill squad of U.S. Marines? If Trump wanted to wage war against his own people, we're dead. I mean he said it himself, he's really good at war. He loves war. Hell even if the generals revolted against him, he knows more than they do. The man is omnipotent. He's like The Emperor, Doctor Doom, Zod, Kahn, Thanos, Cobra Commander, Skelator, Ming the Merciless and Crooked Hillary all stuffed in to one big orange and yellow pinata Most people in service I know claim they would walk if they were asked to go against the people. Perhaps you should actually get to know some vets, police, active military, etc. Before making silly claims. Are you fucking serious? You couldn't tell I was kidding. Of course I don't think that would ever happen Jesus christ guys, get your backs off the wall and stop being so damn combative over every stupid thing. The second I make what I think is an obvious joke about something Trump would never do, I have Baph playing the "what about Obama" trope and you pulling the "I respect our veterans more than you", pandering horseshit Man this place really sucks sometimes
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