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Post by Baph on Apr 11, 2017 12:15:44 GMT -5
Misc news items, gossip, observations, rumors, etc. that don't fit in another thread and don't quite justify starting a new one.
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Post by Baph on Apr 11, 2017 12:18:33 GMT -5
Dude dragged of United Airlines flight. LOL. A) don't tresspass on a private airline after being asked to leave and offered compensation to leave. B) don't physically grab and drag a dude off a flight with 60 cell phone cameras on it you fucking PR noob. C) EVERYONE has a price at which they'll gladly and voluntarily get off the plane, train, buss, uber . . . United failed to find that price, and will now likely pay a far greater price. Their stock is down 3% today. Boycotts being discussed. And this cat will likely sue and win. D) if you're gonna pull a public stunt, make sure you're wearing clean underwear: www.unilad.co.uk/news/the-dark-past-of-dr-david-dao-man-abused-on-united-airlines-flight/According to a series of medical journals and newspaper reports, Dr. David Dao has previously been charged with offering pharmaceutical drugs for sex as well as stalking. At one point, the doctor was even facing prison for 20 years. As reported by the Louisville Courier-Journal, 69-year-old Dao once performed a genital exam on a patient who came to David for chest pain and a collapsed lung. He later made that man his officer manager and when he eventually quit, Dao stalked him and offered him prescription pills in return for sex acts. Dao studied to become a doctor in his homeland, Vietnam, before moving to Elizabethtown, Kentucky where he worked as a pulmonologist before being arrested in 2003.
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Post by hammerfaust on Apr 11, 2017 13:08:16 GMT -5
We need another thread for random crap? Can't this be covered in the 'Random Thoughts' thread?
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Post by MMAJim on Apr 11, 2017 14:28:33 GMT -5
Random thoughts are generated from a place inside your heart and soul. Water Cooler discussion is inspired by anything from the mundane to hot-but-fleeting-interest in general public events department. Had I checked this thread first, I would have posted my Borussia Dortmund bomb event post here. It's relatively big news, a bombing in Germany that affected a UEFA Champions League match, yet not so big that it could sustain a discussion.
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Post by Baph on Apr 11, 2017 15:00:17 GMT -5
We need another thread for random crap? Can't this be covered in the 'Random Thoughts' thread? If the community decides there's not a meaningful difference between random thoughts on favorite sandwiches and topical discussion of current events this thread will whither and die. I would prefer random thoughts stay light and weird and random, and this be more for school shootings, incidents at airports, terror attacks, hot topics of the day.
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Post by johncfc on Apr 11, 2017 15:04:58 GMT -5
We need another thread for random crap? Can't this be covered in the 'Random Thoughts' thread? This thread isn't for random thoughts fuckface. It's for random news. Water cooler talk, if you will. Jesus Christ, is everyone a beta on this board now?
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Post by hammerfaust on Apr 11, 2017 15:11:19 GMT -5
Post whatever the fuck you want wherever the fuck you want... just didn't see this as necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 15:29:46 GMT -5
Post whatever the fuck you want wherever the fuck you want... just didn't see this as necessary. This post seems unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 15:33:09 GMT -5
I read an article where the author claimed Delta gave him $11K to not fly. I also thought this was kinda funny. Doesn't matter what the guy in question might have previously done that was shady. Not relevant to the situation at all. United fucked up, and then continued to do so. But they've been a shitty airline for a long time now, so, whatever. Haven't flown United since the 90's. This doesn't change much. Still won't fly United.
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Post by hammerfaust on Apr 11, 2017 15:36:54 GMT -5
Post whatever the fuck you want wherever the fuck you want... just didn't see this as necessary. This post seems unnecessary. ditto
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 15:42:16 GMT -5
This post seems unnecessary. ditto Mine had the merit of at least formulating a complete sentence. Try to stop being such a retard.
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Post by ocmmafan on Apr 11, 2017 15:44:01 GMT -5
where should one post that hammerfaust is an annoying little bitch? Would that go here or in Random Thoughts?
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Post by johncfc on Apr 11, 2017 15:44:03 GMT -5
Post whatever the fuck you want wherever the fuck you want... just didn't see this as necessary. Why you so hostile?
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Post by hammerfaust on Apr 11, 2017 15:53:05 GMT -5
Post whatever the fuck you want wherever the fuck you want... just didn't see this as necessary. Why you so hostile? It's fun
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Post by johncfc on Apr 11, 2017 16:22:42 GMT -5
You think I'm prejudiced?
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Post by anonymous on Apr 11, 2017 17:06:27 GMT -5
Let the circle jerk commence
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Post by daywork on Apr 11, 2017 17:38:16 GMT -5
How do you over book a plane? If you have 100 seats then you sell 100 seats. Not 104.
So if you over book by 4 seats. You should have 2 people (4 times in this case) with the same seat assignment. Who gets kicked off should be someone that has the duplicate seat number. Right?
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Post by Angelo on Apr 11, 2017 17:51:55 GMT -5
How do you over book a plane? If you have 100 seats then you sell 100 seats. Not 104. So if you over book by 4 seats. You should have 2 people (4 times in this case) with the same seat assignment. Who gets kicked off should be someone that has the duplicate seat number. Right? They overbook because it means more money because there are always some that don't show up. And when everyone does show up, often enough there are people that will take a part refund and hop onto a non-full flight a few hours later which still overall decreases the airline's cost per passenger. They've been looking into for cargo deliveries, short distance electric planes (like 500 miles), which reduce the costs tremendously, but was surprised they haven't been looking to convert those into short hop passenger planes. They probably did and ran into issues, but in the end it'll save a ton of money. And in other news. 1. With Westinghouse gone, and seemingly unable to pass the losses across the other companies, Toshiba looks to be the next in the nuclear investment fallout. Could go under before the year's end. 2. This counter-suit filed by Qualcomm against Apple could wind up being huge now that Obama is not in office. Obama in the past has used his office's influence to protect Apple from all sorts of patent violations, breach of contracts, and more. Trump will probably be hands off in which case Apple could wind up seeing a multi-billion dollar verdict against them in this.
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Post by anonymous on Apr 11, 2017 17:52:32 GMT -5
How do you over book a plane? If you have 100 seats then you sell 100 seats. Not 104. So if you over book by 4 seats. You should have 2 people (4 times in this case) with the same seat assignment. Who gets kicked off should be someone that has the duplicate seat number. Right? It was for 4 of their employees. They decided at the last minute that they needed to be at the destination early the next morning
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Post by daywork on Apr 11, 2017 18:12:13 GMT -5
How do you over book a plane? If you have 100 seats then you sell 100 seats. Not 104. So if you over book by 4 seats. You should have 2 people (4 times in this case) with the same seat assignment. Who gets kicked off should be someone that has the duplicate seat number. Right? It was for 4 of their employees. They decided at the last minute that they needed to be at the destination early the next morning Oh, Ok. Thanks
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Post by ToNoAvail on Apr 11, 2017 22:09:37 GMT -5
Gladiator thumb gif needed.
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Post by Spencer on Apr 11, 2017 22:19:56 GMT -5
Let the circle jerk commence You rang?
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Post by Baph on Apr 12, 2017 1:23:52 GMT -5
www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx?Mobile=1#sec25It's right there in the contract. They can ask you to deplane at any time, they own the plane, you don't, compensation is included if volunteer quota is not met. Refusing makes you a trespasser. Stiffening up and making people drag you like a child makes you an imbecile clearly looking for a lawsuit, which he will no doubt get. Feels a lot like cops shooting a black dude situation. Everyone jumps on one side or the other, but I'm like . . . dude, there are no good guys here. This guy, who we now know peddles Rx drugs for gay sex and is a complete hustler, is blatantly slipping on a mopped floor at WalMart for the lawsuit lottery. That's the shtick here. It's clear as day. You just got clockboy'd. AND . . . fucking and, the airline is utterly moronic and bumbling in the handling of this knowing the social media shit storm they were obviously walking into. If someone is going to be a brat and make a scene, you move on. Someone on that plane will get up and go wait 2-3 hrs for $12,000 in travel vouchers. If the price is right, people will trip over each other to volunteer layover.
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Post by Angelo on Apr 12, 2017 1:36:29 GMT -5
www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx?Mobile=1#sec25It's right there in the contract. They can ask you to deplane at any time, they own the plane, you don't, compensation is included if volunteer quota is not met. Refusing makes you a trespasser. Stiffening up and making people drag you like a child makes you an imbecile clearly looking for a lawsuit, which he will no doubt get. Feels a lot like cops shooting a black dude situation. Everyone jumps on one side or the other, but I'm like . . . dude, there are no good guys here. This guy, who we now know peddles Rx drugs for gay sex and is a complete hustler, is blatantly slipping on a mopped floor at WalMart for the lawsuit lottery. That's the shtick here. It's clear as day. You just got clockboy'd. AND . . . fucking and, the airline is utterly moronic and bumbling in the handling of this knowing the social media shit storm they were obviously walking into. If someone is going to be a brat and make a scene, you move on. Someone on that plane will get up and go wait 2-3 hrs for $12,000 in travel vouchers. If the price is right, people will trip over each other to volunteer layover. How about don't sell what you don't got? Fuck compensation, they make plans, spend money based n those plans. The guy as nuts as he was had a medical practice he had to be at for appointments that other people had to change schedules for. You want my ass off that plane, give me a free ticket on next available flight, 10x my ticket cost, and 2x ticket cost to anyone in my life affected by the change. Or, just sell what you have, or wait to take my money until the plane takes off.
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Post by PatSox on Apr 12, 2017 7:53:54 GMT -5
This water cooler is friggin hostile. You'd think a negro tried to use it, or something
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Post by MMAJim on Apr 12, 2017 8:52:15 GMT -5
www.united.com/web/en-US/content/contract-of-carriage.aspx?Mobile=1#sec25It's right there in the contract. They can ask you to deplane at any time, they own the plane, you don't, compensation is included if volunteer quota is not met. Refusing makes you a trespasser. Stiffening up and making people drag you like a child makes you an imbecile clearly looking for a lawsuit, which he will no doubt get. Feels a lot like cops shooting a black dude situation. Everyone jumps on one side or the other, but I'm like . . . dude, there are no good guys here. This guy, who we now know peddles Rx drugs for gay sex and is a complete hustler, is blatantly slipping on a mopped floor at WalMart for the lawsuit lottery. That's the shtick here. It's clear as day. You just got clockboy'd. AND . . . fucking and, the airline is utterly moronic and bumbling in the handling of this knowing the social media shit storm they were obviously walking into. If someone is going to be a brat and make a scene, you move on. Someone on that plane will get up and go wait 2-3 hrs for $12,000 in travel vouchers. If the price is right, people will trip over each other to volunteer layover. How about don't sell what you don't got? Fuck compensation, they make plans, spend money based n those plans. The guy as nuts as he was had a medical practice he had to be at for appointments that other people had to change schedules for. You want my ass off that plane, give me a free ticket on next available flight, 10x my ticket cost, and 2x ticket cost to anyone in my life affected by the change. Or, just sell what you have, or wait to take my money until the plane takes off. Forgive me for relying only on my vague memory of articles read on this incident (one or two), but I'm pretty sure that they needed the seats because they needed to get crew members to their next stop. This isn't uncommon, and only causes a huge problem when a flight is packed and lacks volunteers. It isn't a always a situation where they sold 104 tickets for 100 seats. It is a situation where if they can get a couple of people to volunteer then they can accommodate getting the crew they need to another location. In that scenario, the change the flight plans of 4 people instead of disrupting/cancelling/delaying an entire airplane at a different airport. Secondly, the only sell what you have standard, if applied to across all industries just doesn't happen. The entire insurance industry is based on calculations of probable outcomes and yes they get it wrong sometimes and experience more (or less) losses than expected. The airlines us a little figurin' to determine that they need 10X number of people to consistently fill 100 seats. Men's rec league basketball teams often need 15 people to get just 5 guys to show up on a night. Lets all relax a little. "Doctor Man," was being a douche bag. Airlines hardballed it too hard. A mid-level supervisor probably didn't have the authority to raise the offer above $800 to volunteer, and I'm guessing that'll change. It's not like a restaurant that unexpectedly runs out of fish on the night the have all you can eat fish (i hope this fictional fish fry is perch) is obligated to keep the place open and send some people out to find you some more fish because you paid for all you can eat. There's millions of examples, people get worked up because its an airplane. File this under "we're now dumber for having video of every little incident on earth".
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Post by ocmmafan on Apr 12, 2017 9:35:58 GMT -5
Overselling happens in the hotel industry as well. You are "guaranteed" a room yet they are oversold when you arrive. When it happens, they will place you in another hotel that is hopefully a similar class and close in proximty. They pay for the transfers to the hotel and whatever else you can squeeze out of them (maybe dinner). Yeah, it sucks and it's terrible when you are traveling with kids and arriving late - but it happens. What adults do is suck it up and handle it. It's exactly the same situation as this plane situation and is an interruption to you schedule. The compensation is monetary (flight credit, free hotel stay, etc). 99.9% of the time the compensation works. Every adult that flies (adult - not fucking jackel) knows about planes bumping people. I bet many of us have volunteered. This isn't new, MOST love it, and it's the reality of these service industries that are trying to maximize profit in a highly competitive field.
Obviously United handled it poorly because they could have come up with a number that would have satisfied someone AND explained they would put them up in a hotel, pay for their dinner and some extra per diem, and give them a $800-$1200 flight credit and the next available flight tomorrow. Start the process an hour before the flight like most airlines do and start getting volunteers early. But still, all that said, the doctor handled it like a child and will now be rewarded for his behavior. Hard to feel sorry for that pussy given all the circumstances.
Best part of this is seeing snowflakes blaming Trump. I laughed pretty good at a few of these freaks claiming "this is what happens with Trump in the whitehouse"!
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Post by agrappleaday on Apr 12, 2017 9:46:30 GMT -5
How about don't sell what you don't got? Fuck compensation, they make plans, spend money based n those plans. The guy as nuts as he was had a medical practice he had to be at for appointments that other people had to change schedules for. You want my ass off that plane, give me a free ticket on next available flight, 10x my ticket cost, and 2x ticket cost to anyone in my life affected by the change. Or, just sell what you have, or wait to take my money until the plane takes off. Forgive me for relying only on my vague memory of articles read on this incident (one or two), but I'm pretty sure that they needed the seats because they needed to get crew members to their next stop. This isn't uncommon, and only causes a huge problem when a flight is packed and lacks volunteers. It isn't a always a situation where they sold 104 tickets for 100 seats. It is a situation where if they can get a couple of people to volunteer then they can accommodate getting the crew they need to another location. In that scenario, the change the flight plans of 4 people instead of disrupting/cancelling/delaying an entire airplane at a different airport. Secondly, the only sell what you have standard, if applied to across all industries just doesn't happen. The entire insurance industry is based on calculations of probable outcomes and yes they get it wrong sometimes and experience more (or less) losses than expected. The airlines us a little figurin' to determine that they need 10X number of people to consistently fill 100 seats. Men's rec league basketball teams often need 15 people to get just 5 guys to show up on a night. Lets all relax a little. "Doctor Man," was being a douche bag. Airlines hardballed it too hard. A mid-level supervisor probably didn't have the authority to raise the offer above $800 to volunteer, and I'm guessing that'll change. It's not like a restaurant that unexpectedly runs out of fish on the night the have all you can eat fish ( i hope this fictional fish fry is perch) is obligated to keep the place open and send some people out to find you some more fish because you paid for all you can eat. There's millions of examples, people get worked up because its an airplane. File this under "we're now dumber for having video of every little incident on earth". Why Perch?
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Post by daywork on Apr 12, 2017 10:11:07 GMT -5
Overselling happens in the hotel industry as well. You are "guaranteed" a room yet they are oversold when you arrive. When it happens, they will place you in another hotel that is hopefully a similar class and close in proximty. They pay for the transfers to the hotel and whatever else you can squeeze out of them (maybe dinner). Yeah, it sucks and it's terrible when you are traveling with kids and arriving late - but it happens. What adults do is suck it up and handle it. It's exactly the same situation as this plane situation and is an interruption to you schedule. The compensation is monetary (flight credit, free hotel stay, etc). 99.9% of the time the compensation works. Every adult that flies (adult - not fucking jackel) knows about planes bumping people. I bet many of us have volunteered. This isn't new, MOST love it, and it's the reality of these service industries that are trying to maximize profit in a highly competitive field. Obviously United handled it poorly because they could have come up with a number that would have satisfied someone AND explained they would put them up in a hotel, pay for their dinner and some extra per diem, and give them a $800-$1200 flight credit and the next available flight tomorrow. Start the process an hour before the flight like most airlines do and start getting volunteers early. But still, all that said, the doctor handled it like a child and will now be rewarded for his behavior. Hard to feel sorry for that pussy given all the circumstances. Best part of this is seeing snowflakes blaming Trump. I laughed pretty good at a few of these freaks claiming "this is what happens with Trump in the whitehouse"! But it wasn't a overbook (as someone said earlier), They wanted to move their employees. Why couldn't those employees take a later flight?
I have never been bumped from a flight, Yeah I've been asked a couple times but I never did it. Flight credit?? Screw that, you want my ticket you will pay me cash just like I did when I bought it.
Overall it was just very bad management on United.
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Post by agrappleaday on Apr 12, 2017 10:16:39 GMT -5
Overselling happens in the hotel industry as well. You are "guaranteed" a room yet they are oversold when you arrive. When it happens, they will place you in another hotel that is hopefully a similar class and close in proximty. They pay for the transfers to the hotel and whatever else you can squeeze out of them (maybe dinner). Yeah, it sucks and it's terrible when you are traveling with kids and arriving late - but it happens. What adults do is suck it up and handle it. It's exactly the same situation as this plane situation and is an interruption to you schedule. The compensation is monetary (flight credit, free hotel stay, etc). 99.9% of the time the compensation works. Every adult that flies (adult - not fucking jackel) knows about planes bumping people. I bet many of us have volunteered. This isn't new, MOST love it, and it's the reality of these service industries that are trying to maximize profit in a highly competitive field. Obviously United handled it poorly because they could have come up with a number that would have satisfied someone AND explained they would put them up in a hotel, pay for their dinner and some extra per diem, and give them a $800-$1200 flight credit and the next available flight tomorrow. Start the process an hour before the flight like most airlines do and start getting volunteers early. But still, all that said, the doctor handled it like a child and will now be rewarded for his behavior. Hard to feel sorry for that pussy given all the circumstances. Best part of this is seeing snowflakes blaming Trump. I laughed pretty good at a few of these freaks claiming "this is what happens with Trump in the whitehouse"! But it wasn't a overbook (as someone said earlier), They wanted to move their employees. Why couldn't those employees take a later flight?
I have never been bumped from a flight, Yeah I've been asked a couple times but I never did it. Flight credit?? Screw that, you want my ticket you will pay me cash just like I did when I bought it.
Overall it was just very bad management on United.
Right. 4 employees needing to be somewhere else last minute seems like poor management as well. There are only about that many on any given flight, so what, everybody called in sick somewhere? My group of 9 were delayed and stuck for 25 hours beyond the flight time we had paid for recently, coming back from Boston to SFO. Absolutely zero compensation aside from a few $15 meal vouchers to spend on airport food. It was impressive, in a way, how little they were willing to budge in the moment. This was with Delta.
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