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Post by Angelo on Apr 13, 2017 15:32:26 GMT -5
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Post by Baph on Apr 13, 2017 16:02:00 GMT -5
That is a shit load of damage for a guy getting picked up and carried, and there were 35 cell phones video taping the whole ordeal. No strikes were thrown. How do you get a broken nose and lose teeth?
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Post by Angelo on Apr 13, 2017 16:32:13 GMT -5
That is a shit load of damage for a guy getting picked up and carried, and there were 35 cell phones video taping the whole ordeal. No strikes were thrown. How do you get a broken nose and lose teeth? There were pictures of him at the gate bloodied up, I'm guessing once they were around the door of the plane out of site of cameras they started getting rougher
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Post by johncfc on Apr 13, 2017 16:41:07 GMT -5
Fuccin Asians!
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Post by ocmmafan on Apr 13, 2017 19:50:44 GMT -5
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Post by Baph on Apr 14, 2017 0:35:37 GMT -5
I'm hearing they plan to file 4-5 separate law suits:
City of Chicago The Airport United Airlines The UTSA Regal Airlines
This cat's going for tens of millions. Jesus.
So my questions is: what happens the next time an airline needs to remove someone for whatever reason, a fairly valid reason, and the person refuses.
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Post by Angelo on Apr 14, 2017 0:55:25 GMT -5
I'm hearing they plan to file 4-5 separate law suits: City of Chicago The Airport United Airlines The UTSA Regal Airlines This cat's going for tens of millions. Jesus. So my questions is: what happens the next time an airline needs to remove someone for whatever reason, a fairly valid reason, and the person refuses. They'll offer more money to another passenger. Everyone has a price, they'll find someone, treat it like an auction. Free market at work telling the company what the customer will and won't accept when you fuck up. If the airline just made an announcement, "Who will give up their seat for $11,350?" (the max they can give before taxes get involved 1,350 in legal compensation and 10k in gift), you telling me nobody would have taken that? They fucked up by not putting it up to the passengers. And they fucked themselves over for future cases now because they coulda just said, here 1000, or 2000, and someone woulda grabbed it and on future flights gave out 2-300$ when situation arose, but now the population knows they can get 5 figures for refusing to give up a seat because they don't want to deal with the fallout.
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Post by boboplata on Apr 14, 2017 1:16:05 GMT -5
The US just dropped a MOAB in Nangahar province in Afghanistan. Biggest non-nuclear bomb.
Yuge!
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Post by Angelo on Apr 14, 2017 1:40:59 GMT -5
The US just dropped a MOAB in Nangahar province in Afghanistan. Biggest non-nuclear bomb. Yuge! 2nd biggest. The Russian FOAB is 4x the size.
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Post by boboplata on Apr 14, 2017 2:16:40 GMT -5
The US just dropped a MOAB in Nangahar province in Afghanistan. Biggest non-nuclear bomb. Yuge! 2nd biggest. The Russian FOAB is 4x the size. This is why no one like you.
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Post by Angelo on Apr 14, 2017 2:40:23 GMT -5
2nd biggest. The Russian FOAB is 4x the size. This is why no one like you. I thought that is why nobody likes Russia.
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Post by Baph on Apr 14, 2017 9:49:52 GMT -5
Final thoughts on United deal:
Private property rights matter. United Airlines has them. A voluntary exchange of goods and services doesn't suddenly become indentured servitude. United's contract of carriage clearly states they are allowed to cancel reservations. Be outraged, be upset, but leave private property when asked to and hash it out later. Going limp and shrieking and behaving like a child reveals your motives pretty clearly. He's standing there saying "just kill me" over and over. It's almost like this dude is an opiate hustling sociopath with a gay sex fetish. This ain't Rosa Parks 2.0, you're not Christ on the Cross; they need your seat so they don't have to cancel a whole other flight. Take your $1,350 and open your own airline where passengers call all the shots. Also, seems like "hours of work" regulations and compensation caps kind of boxed United in on being flexible and finding other solutions. The knee-jerk "fuck the corporation" thing might be a bit misplaced here.
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Post by Baph on Apr 14, 2017 13:09:08 GMT -5
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Post by johncfc on Apr 14, 2017 13:27:42 GMT -5
That was some read. I can't find the proper adjective to describe it at the moment. It reminds me of being super high and brainstorming ideas to save the world that, at the time, seem brilliant. And then the next day laughing about how ridiculous the idea was. Except this lady never came down from her high and published her embarrassment.
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Post by Baph on Apr 14, 2017 13:56:22 GMT -5
More and more I get the feeling that there's no civil way out of this death spiral. People on the left are becoming militant, it's all out war, fuck your rights, fuck your vote, fuck you. People are the right are becoming hyper fragmented and unorganized. The rift between people like Rand and people like Sessions is actually greater than the divide between an avg democrat and republican, yet they're in the same party. Doesn't feel like were at a place, socially, culturally, where having a "robust discussion on ideas" is even plausible anymore. It's who fucking wins, by whatever means, and what can they ram down the opponent's throat for the next 4-8 years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 16:57:12 GMT -5
Take a look at the author. That's a man. Man.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 17:09:10 GMT -5
And the premise of that article is flawed from the getgo. What he/she/it (I'll be going with "it" from here on out) is proposing is minority rule. It does not seem to be cognizant of the fact that minority rule entails totalitarian regimes and excessive oppression of every single freedom we value in this country. I'm glad it (the author) is South Africa's problem. But what kind of tard-rag would give someone like this a platform and a microphone in the first place?
Huffington Post.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 17:26:56 GMT -5
This article has actually pissed me off, and it's 6:30 on a Friday.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 18:25:29 GMT -5
You'll all be happy to know I'm not pissed anymore. Now I'm just a baked white guy living in a 98% white state.
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Post by Baph on Apr 14, 2017 18:42:54 GMT -5
So the author . . . could? . . . still vote?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 19:03:21 GMT -5
United was wrong. They fucked up the seating. They should have, as Angelo said kept upping compensation to get a volunteer. It may be legal to do it but it is a bullshit move, people plan their lives on a schedule. What if dude was a dick doing heart surgery on a 2 year old at 9am? Kid shouldn't get a heart because United can't fucking count seats? Sorry bro, not a good excuse. Violent passenger? Drunk passenger? Passenger putting other people in danger? Sure, get his ass off the plane. Forcibly dragging him off because you need an extra seat for a stewardess because math is hard? Fuck off. Bu, bu, but it is legal and theu have thay right!!! Well, it is legal to drop a deuce and not flush or piss on the toilet seat at Hardee's but if you do it, you are still an asshole and wrong.
I wouldn't have acted like a screaming douche-nozzle but I guess it worked. United has lost nearly a billion dollars because the can't be figuring out simple arithmetic and shit, lol at them. EBen if he wasn't a doctor and just going on a cruise? They gonna reimburse him the 4 grand that he paid because he can board the ship on time?
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Post by Baph on Apr 14, 2017 19:59:25 GMT -5
That's not even remotely accurate.
They were doing a solid for a small regional carrier who had to rush crew to another location because the team there had reached their max union allowed hours and they were about to cancel a whole flight. What if an organ donation carrier was on that OTHER flight? Kids are dying now. Great job Floyd.
It's also illegal to keep upping compensation. There's a ceiling set by the TSA.
Screaming out "I would rather die" and behaving like a 3-year-old rather than taking $1,350 and waiting 3-4 hrs for another flight is not what rational people do. It's what opium peddling closet homosexual sociopaths do. Nice hero.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 20:17:34 GMT -5
That's not even remotely accurate. They were doing a solid for a small regional carrier who had to rush crew to another location because the team there had reached their max union allowed hours and they were about to cancel a whole flight. What if an organ donation carrier was on that OTHER flight? Kids are dying now. Great job Floyd. It's also illegal to keep upping compensation. There's a ceiling set by the TSA. Screaming out "I would rather die" and behaving like a 3-year-old rather than taking $1,350 and waiting 3-4 hrs for another flight is not what rational people do. It's what opium peddling closet homosexual sociopaths do. Nice hero. Good to hear you are now a fan of unions and the TSA...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 20:21:09 GMT -5
Yeah we will do you a solid. We will make people get off the plane that they are already seated in and if they don't get up when they are voluntold, we just send jack booted thugs to drag him off. I'm not calling the guy a hero, he acted like an idiot but that doesn't absolve United feom being dick bags to paying customers. It isn't the customers fault the companies can't figure out their shit, hour caps, and booking of flights. It is illegal to up compensation? That's weird. United offered $400 at first and the $800. Oh, is there a TSA mandated cap? Weird again because Delta will offer up to 10 grand: www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2017/04/14/delta-air-lines-offer-10000-passengers-overbooked-flightsI looked up the law you spoke of but it is actually a penalty an airline pays of they involuntarily bump passengers but in this case, it was cheaper to throw them off the plane and pay the penalty than it was to offer further comoensation. Also, the guy didn't need to wait 4 hours, the next flight wasn't until the next afternoon. So..... Still a dick move by United and a way they use the government to enforce unfair regulations on their passengers through use of force. Do you even free market, bro?
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Post by Baph on Apr 14, 2017 23:46:38 GMT -5
LOL. If you want to scroll back through, this has all been covered in detail. You're flailing.
How much longer can Ginsberg hold it together?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 6:34:25 GMT -5
LOL. If you want to scroll back through, this has all been covered in detail. You're flailing. How much longer can Ginsberg hold it together? Sorry I didnt read a day's worth if posts before posting. It's funny that anytime anybody disagrees with you because they aren't wowed by your Shakespearean way of writing and they have a halfway decent argument that you resort to Lulz and LOLs or completely ignore them like your free market can fix everything, bro cuz yeah... The thing is. I don't care any more than expressing my opinion. They did not plan accordigly and although it isn't known for sure, probably gamed the system to lowball their customers (which is why Delta came back with a more than fair compensation structure) and it backfired magnificently. Oh, and all the shit about the doctor was found out to be false and it was said he was screaming like a child after he lost teeth and was probably concussed. Probably hard to act like an adult once you've been arm chaired, which is close to table-facing. If $800 wasn't enough, call a supervisor all the way up the chain.
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Post by PatSox on Apr 15, 2017 6:47:16 GMT -5
LOL. If you want to scroll back through, this has all been covered in detail. You're flailing. How much longer can Ginsberg hold it together? Sorry I didnt read a day's worth if posts before posting. It's funny that anytime anybody disagrees with you because they aren't wowed by your Shakespearean way of writing and they have a halfway decent argument that you resort to Lulz and LOLs or completely ignore them like your free market can fix everything, bro cuz yeah... The thing is. I don't care any more than expressing my opinion. They did not plan accordigly and although it isn't known for sure, probably gamed the system to lowball their customers (which is why Delta came back with a more than fair compensation structure) and it backfired magnificently. Oh, and all the shit about the doctor was found out to be false and it was said he was screaming like a child after he lost teeth and was probably concussed. Probably hard to act like an adult once you've been arm chaired, which is close to table-facing. If $800 wasn't enough, call a supervisor all the way up the chain. How sharper than a serpent's tooth is it to have an unruly passenger!.............Is this a taser which I see before me?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 7:01:21 GMT -5
I did read through the topic. So the take away is this. United pulled their "it's in the fine print" card because they needed four crew members at another location due to poor planning. They decided to barter but when that didn't work they called in the air patrol po-po. Doctor Chin probably should have bit the bullet at this point but did not. Now comes the third "hurricane" po-po that decided to escalate it from 0 to 3,000 and break the faces (game if thrones style) of thise thay don't ask how high when he says jump.
Dr. Chin is dragged out while people are screaming. Then Dr. Chin runs back on the plane? I'm confused as to when he acted like a psychopath.
I've already said it is legal buy still think United fucked up as evidenced by their stock dropping a billion dollars. I dont agree with manchilds actions but completely understand how pissed one woukd be if they NEEDED to get home and time mattered. I'm sure somebody coukd have waited a day if somebody called and got approval to go to 1,000 or 1,500 dollars.
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Post by ocmmafan on Apr 15, 2017 9:37:15 GMT -5
Floyd - you have a right to your opinion. I agree it could have been handled better because their has to be a magic number where someone is like "yeah, I'll take X amount of cash and fly tomorrow".
Here is where I disagree. First, the media has lied yet again and failed to tell the true story. The doctor initially AGREED to the compensation with his wife, and I believe he got off the plane with his wife. When he found out the next flight wasn't until the following day, he changed his mind and wandered back on the plane and sat down. Or maybe he agreed and then after agreeing changed his mind a few minutes later. I am not sure but that part has been left out.
I look at this situation as something that is NOT new, NOT unusual, and NOT difficult for the airline crew that deal with this every day. 40,000 people were "bumped" from flights last year. 40,000 people EXACTLY like Dr Dipshit understood the rules and it worked for all of them. 400,000+ people voluntarily gave up seats last year. This IS the Free Market. The system DOES work. This has been going on our entire lives. The United Employees run into this and go through their checklist and remember - it's a flight and everything is on a clock. The get to magic number and doctor accepts. This all happens AFTER the flight is full and everyone on board, then they realize they have 4 united employees that need to get on this flight. Those 4 are important because if they don't fly, it turns from inconveniencing a few tonight to 100 tomorrow. Easy choice - mitigate the impact to the fewest possible.
Shit breaks down because the man selected to get bumped initially agreed, then changed his mind, then said he refuses. Not only that, he drew a line in the sand and literally dared/told them to drag him off. Someone is definitely coming off that flight at this point so who is it going to be? Someone else? Or him? I say him. Should they have tried talking to him for 5-10 more minutes convincing him a physical altercation where he is dragged off is the last thing people want? Yes. Should he have acted like an adult and got off? Yes. But at some point, an adult that says "I refuse to leave" is getting dragged off if they won't leave. This guy was the literal one in a million that would get dragged.
The "system" works fine. The free market works fine. The media did their usual partially story narrative BS and millions of people reacted to the way they messaged it.
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Post by daywork on Apr 15, 2017 9:52:14 GMT -5
Couple questions. Maybe one of you guys will know
1. The $1350 that they are allowed to offer. Is that real money or is that travel vouchers? I just don't like the idea of vouchers, why give me credit to fly with a airline that just kicked me off the flight. I won't want to use them again. If I get a burger at McDonalds and it has a bug in it. I don't want vouchers for 10 more burgers.
2. I know that one guy was Asian, Were any of the other 3 people of color (African American, Hispanic)? If not, was that on purpose? Yes, everything has to have a racist background LOL. Imagine if the guy kicking and screaming was Hispanic, African American or a Muslim..
3. They ended up allowing him to fly (let him back on the plane). So did someone else leave so he could fly? They say they needed 4 seats, But I only know that 3 people left. IF no one else left, did they really need 4 seats? Or did they need 3?
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