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Post by ocmmafan on Feb 16, 2018 9:39:37 GMT -5
I haven't looked the batch of school shooters but how many of them had jobs? Growing up and working you end up with very different dynamics between home life, school/friend life then work/friend life. Your stature is different in each though it may be similar. I was a good student and a good athlete at school, I was the best at work and stood out over my peers almost always being quickly promoted or singled out as the best, I was popular among a large group of friends but my closest friends got the hotter girls, were better athletes than me, I was got better graded and took advanced classes but not sure I am more intelligent than them. We were a loyal crew and have remained great friends through college and into life today. My home life was good and I was equal to my siblings, had great parents even through divorce and all was well. But you learn different things about yourself in each of those "sections" of life. You hone confidence when you work because your normal support group isn't surrounding you.
Kids that miss out on working, where it is less easy to be coddled and less easy to hide from the truth, have it WORSE than people that work. I would be interested to know how many of these school shooters ever held jobs and how they were described there.
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Post by locogato11283 on Feb 16, 2018 9:47:06 GMT -5
None of them I bet. All useless kids with zero responsibility.
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 16, 2018 10:26:43 GMT -5
People like to bitch about the NRA and owning politicians. If the NRA owns 85% of one party that represents 1/2 of the politicians, then how much money does big pharma pay to own both parties and the media? No peeps about the meds when these things come up. Guns guns guns!
Guns are part of it. They are not all of it. I would say that they're not most of the problem. They are an aggravating factor that contribute, but they are very simply not THE CAUSE. Focus should be on causes.
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Post by locogato11283 on Feb 16, 2018 10:46:45 GMT -5
Where do I start a petition to ban vehicles??
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 16, 2018 10:55:49 GMT -5
Someone should make a website where you can start petitions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 11:22:59 GMT -5
^LoL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 18:18:19 GMT -5
www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-statement-on-the-shooting-in-parkland-floridaFBI Statement on the Shooting in Parkland, Florida On January 5, 2018, a person close to Nikolas Cruz contacted the FBI’s Public Access Line (PAL) tipline to report concerns about him. The caller provided information about Cruz’s gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and disturbing social media posts, as well as the potential of him conducting a school shooting. Under established protocols, the information provided by the caller should have been assessed as a potential threat to life. The information then should have been forwarded to the FBI Miami Field Office, where appropriate investigative steps would have been taken. We have determined that these protocols were not followed for the information received by the PAL on January 5. The information was not provided to the Miami Field Office, and no further investigation was conducted at that time. FBI Director Christopher Wray said: “We are still investigating the facts. I am committed to getting to the bottom of what happened in this particular matter, as well as reviewing our processes for responding to information that we receive from the public. It’s up to all Americans to be vigilant, and when members of the public contact us with concerns, we must act properly and quickly. “We have spoken with victims and families, and deeply regret the additional pain this causes all those affected by this horrific tragedy. All of the men and women of the FBI are dedicated to keeping the American people safe, and are relentlessly committed to improving all that we do and how we do it.”
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Post by locogato11283 on Feb 16, 2018 21:53:23 GMT -5
So it’s the FBI’s fault.
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 16, 2018 23:17:02 GMT -5
I guarantee you Trump had nothing to do with this. Crazy people gonna crazy. I'd go find some links with some info, but I'm already owning this debate, so I will save that for another time. Are you talking about the alt-right conspiracy theories that this dude was antifa? Did you not see that those have been debunked, and the shooter was a MAGA white supremacist fuck? Why don't you post those links you chicken shit moron? This is just trolling right? The white supremacy shit was debunked almost immediately by the police and now more recently by the guy that started that rumor.
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Post by slaytan on Feb 17, 2018 4:54:34 GMT -5
So the local news is running an almost constant loop of kids from that high school bad mouthing/ blaming Trump, republicans, and the NRA
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Post by locogato11283 on Feb 17, 2018 6:42:27 GMT -5
So the local news is running an almost constant loop of kids from that high school bad mouthing/ blaming Trump, republicans, and the NRA Of course they are. It’s the “cool” thing to do these days.
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 17, 2018 9:05:57 GMT -5
Are you talking about the alt-right conspiracy theories that this dude was antifa? Did you not see that those have been debunked, and the shooter was a MAGA white supremacist fuck? Why don't you post those links you chicken shit moron? This is just trolling right? The white supremacy shit was debunked almost immediately by the police and now more recently by the guy that started that rumor. www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/us/exclusive-school-shooter-instagram-group/index.htmlCan you point me to where this was debunked by the police?
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Post by PatSox on Feb 17, 2018 9:09:35 GMT -5
Where do I start a petition to ban vehicles?? Like these?
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 17, 2018 9:23:10 GMT -5
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 17, 2018 9:29:30 GMT -5
Your article does reference a different chat group and dies say he hates blacks, jews, gays and white women. So basically everything he is not. The original implication in the media was that he was a member of a white supremacy group, which does not appear to be the case.
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Post by nickcage on Feb 17, 2018 10:32:35 GMT -5
Man sounds like the FBI has two credible threats with Cruz—not just one. They said “for some reason it didn’t get sent thru the correct channel”. Wow.
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 17, 2018 11:02:18 GMT -5
Your article does reference a different chat group and dies say he hates blacks, jews, gays and white women. So basically everything he is not. The original implication in the media was that he was a member of a white supremacy group, which does not appear to be the case. Did I say he was specifically in a white supremacist group, or did I just call him a white supremacist MAGA fuck?
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Post by boboplata on Feb 17, 2018 11:09:43 GMT -5
So the local news is running an almost constant loop of kids from that high school bad mouthing/ blaming Trump, republicans, and the NRA www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/16/586361956/as-an-american-tragedy-unfolds-russian-agents-sow-discord-online"For Bret Schafer, an analyst with Hamilton 68, a site tracking Russian influence on Twitter, the pattern is becoming all too familiar. Hamilton 68 follows 600 accounts run by the Russian government, Russian trolls, bots and individuals sympathetic to the Russian point of view. Data collected by the site over the past few months suggests that Russian social media accounts are now regularly seizing on divisive or tragic news to rile up segments of American society."
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 17, 2018 12:12:07 GMT -5
Your article does reference a different chat group and dies say he hates blacks, jews, gays and white women. So basically everything he is not. The original implication in the media was that he was a member of a white supremacy group, which does not appear to be the case. Did I say he was specifically in a white supremacist group, or did I just call him a white supremacist MAGA fuck? Easy cowboy, I just said we were talking about two different angles. I wasn’t aware there was a chat group implication so I inferred, that you were referencing the original white supremecist group ballyhoo.
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Post by Angelo on Feb 17, 2018 12:39:24 GMT -5
Man sounds like the FBI has two credible threats with Cruz—not just one. They said “for some reason it didn’t get sent thru the correct channel”. Wow. Over 30 threat incidents with the local police, along with people at his previous schools, that school, school counselors, and I think even a psychiatrist from his previous school for "troubled kids" making him get checked out. Wasn't just the FBI that fucked up, but the state did too.... actually nope, neither of them did because there was nothing they could have actually done to prevent this within the confines of the law.
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Post by locogato11283 on Feb 17, 2018 13:00:21 GMT -5
I’d sue the FBI, the state, the school and every other person even remotely associated with the handling of this kid’s case.
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Post by Angelo on Feb 17, 2018 13:04:19 GMT -5
I’d sue the FBI, the state, the school and every other person even remotely associated with the handling of this kid’s case. For what though? He's unhinged, has all sorts of issues, but what law did he break that would have let them prevent this?
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Post by locogato11283 on Feb 17, 2018 14:05:53 GMT -5
I have no idea. Just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 19:46:58 GMT -5
I don't think stricter gun control is the answer, but comparing gun deaths and car deaths makes absolutely no sense at all for one main reason: the VAST majority of car deaths are from accidents where someone does not intend to use the car as a weapon, where as the vast majority of gun deaths happen intentionally.
It's like comparing the amount of people who die each year by choking accidentally on their food and the number of suicides: it's a completely illogical comparison to make when one object is primarily intended for a use that has nothing related to violence while the other does.
Also, guns are made to be killing tools even if they are used in other ways whereas cars are made for transportation even though it is possible to use them to kill.
Otherwise though, gun laws will never ever work IMO for the same reason that drug laws don't work.
People simply won't follow the laws and there are too many guns out there and nothing can be done about it really.
I read an article about how Japan has so few gun deaths and people say it's their gun control laws, but I beg to differ and think that has nothing to do with it.
The thing about the Japanese is that they have these REALLY strong REALLY old honor codes that have been ingrained into the society to the point where they simply respect authority more than most people in the U.S. and other countries and won't do these sorts of things because culturally they are just raised with these deeps codes for respect, but we don't have those ingrained honor-codes here and we aren't getting them anytime soon unfortunately.
I think armed teachers and security guards are a good solution that would really help but I can't see much else other than that.
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Post by locogato11283 on Feb 17, 2018 20:34:50 GMT -5
Cars kill more people than guns. We need to outlaw them ASAP.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 20:46:36 GMT -5
Cars kill more people than guns. We need to outlaw them ASAP. Dude that doesn't make any sense for the reasons I just posted above. And I'm not for banning guns, but the logic I just wrote above is very clear. I think you actually agree with me and are trolling cause there's no way you couldn't get those points, not to mention realize how much the world would suck without cars.
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Post by locogato11283 on Feb 17, 2018 21:59:26 GMT -5
Guns are exactly the same as cars. Innocent, responsible people use both legally and responsibly.
Your argument is terrible.
And fact is cars still kill more people. Cars are MORE dangerous than guns. Fact.
Just stop before I own you even more.
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Post by Angelo on Feb 17, 2018 22:13:20 GMT -5
Speaking of cars
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 22:16:16 GMT -5
Guns are exactly the same as cars. Innocent, responsible people use both legally and responsibly. Your argument is terrible. And fact is cars still kill more people. Cars are MORE dangerous than guns. Fact. Just stop before I own you even more. I really think you are just trolling so I shouldn't even bother BUT... How can you compare something that causes accidental death but is rarely used as a weapon to something that is intended as a weapon? It's a complete strawman and makes zero sense. Sure, neither kills people by itself, but it's still not a logical comparison. But hey man, go ride your bike everywhere and give up your license and your car keys if you want to "be the change" and all that jazz...
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Post by Angelo on Feb 17, 2018 22:21:54 GMT -5
Speaking of Cars AND Guns and Students...
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