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Post by slaytan on Nov 5, 2017 17:49:34 GMT -5
A thread for each new mass shooting would clutter the boards with mass shooting threads. This one will be a catch all
inaugural mass shooting event: 27 reported dead in Texas church, including 2 year old
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Post by Angelo on Nov 5, 2017 19:28:02 GMT -5
Multiple reports saying now...
1. It was a citizen who stopped him, not the police. 2. He was court martailed and dishonorably discharged from the Air Force in May 2014 3. His rifle was illegally purchased
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 5, 2017 23:33:49 GMT -5
How are these not acts of terrorism? "Mass murderers" ALL have some kind of ideology, even if it's just personal whack-o ideology. Since most seem to be too big of pussies to actually say it, we just deem them "mentally ill". Seems like a bit of a cop out for this particular demographic of perpetrator.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 5, 2017 23:52:35 GMT -5
How are these not acts of terrorism? "Mass murderers" ALL have some kind of ideology, even if it's just personal whack-o ideology. Since most seem to be too big of pussies to actually say it, we just deem them "mentally ill". Seems like a bit of a cop out for this particular demographic of perpetrator.
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Post by slaytan on Nov 6, 2017 1:52:13 GMT -5
How are these not acts of terrorism? "Mass murderers" ALL have some kind of ideology, even if it's just personal whack-o ideology. Since most seem to be too big of pussies to actually say it, we just deem them "mentally ill". Seems like a bit of a cop out for this particular demographic of perpetrator. Terrorism has a political purpose, and also usually associated with an established group. Vegas shooting, as far as i know, did not. This one, if it’s true what I’m reading, (it may not be) will turn out to be terrorism. Only total dipshits (Angeload right on cue) would suggest the label has anything to do with skin color. Edit: judging by the perp’s picture, I’d say he was antifa. Flabby, undeveloped, pathetic.
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Post by PatSox on Nov 6, 2017 8:08:00 GMT -5
Every once in a while it's just a distubred wacko doing something horrific, for no real reason
These cases aren't terrorism to me. Terrorism is more purposeful; more agenda drive; more idealogical; more attached to other likeminded people. This was singular and just seemed like a sick person's breaking point, where he no longer saw other people's lives as anything valuable, nor his own
All a case like this tells me is we need to keep working on sciences of the brain and institutions to deal with these individuals. I'm talking early detection methods and places to contain people like this. And they need to be accessible enough to the the people around them to make them feel like it's a doable option to pretty much turn them in, have them commited, however you want to put it
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 6, 2017 11:22:35 GMT -5
How are these not acts of terrorism? "Mass murderers" ALL have some kind of ideology, even if it's just personal whack-o ideology. Since most seem to be too big of pussies to actually say it, we just deem them "mentally ill". Seems like a bit of a cop out for this particular demographic of perpetrator. Terrorism has a political purpose, and also usually associated with an established group. Vegas shooting, as far as i know, did not. This one, if it’s true what I’m reading, (it may not be) will turn out to be terrorism. Only total dipshits (Angeload right on cue) would suggest the label has anything to do with skin color. Edit: judging by the perp’s picture, I’d say he was antifa. Flabby, undeveloped, pathetic. I'm reading a few reports he was a radical leftist snowflake/antifa coward. The antifa cowards are definitely a terrorist group that is organized and funded by Soros and reports say his social media (taken down immediately) was full of antifa crap, pro communism and hate for white people.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 12:56:59 GMT -5
I've read that the antifa allegations were not legit and that the Facebook page connecting him to antifa was a fake.
Apparently he had a domestic violence charge while in the military that got him court-martialed and a dishonorable discharge. So any guns that he purchased were purchased illegally because of the domestic violence charge.
When libtards start talking about gun control, it would be better if they try to address this side of the issue rather than just take the weak-minded blanket approach of taking every gun away.
The system we have in this country for the sale of firearms is probably seriously flawed. That can be fixed and not spark a civil war in the process.
The perpetrator of this crime looked like a piece of shit. I don't know if he's a terrorist because I don't think there's any political ideology behind his attack. I don't think this would be terrorism. I think this is just a wacko.
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Post by slaytan on Nov 6, 2017 19:03:55 GMT -5
I've read that the antifa allegations were not legit and that the Facebook page connecting him to antifa was a fake. Apparently he had a domestic violence charge while in the military that got him court-martialed and a dishonorable discharge. So any guns that he purchased were purchased illegally because of the domestic violence charge. When libtards start talking about gun control, it would be better if they try to address this side of the issue rather than just take the weak-minded blanket approach of taking every gun away. The system we have in this country for the sale of firearms is probably seriously flawed. That can be fixed and not spark a civil war in the process. The perpetrator of this crime looked like a piece of shit. I don't know if he's a terrorist because I don't think there's any political ideology behind his attack. I don't think this would be terrorism. I think this is just a wacko. He certainly has the trappings of antifa. Flabby, pathetic, militant atheist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 19:37:26 GMT -5
Looks like the Air force dropped the ball. They didn't forward his domestic violence charge through the proper channels. He should have been able to buy the gun. Dude beat up an 11 month old. Fat, worthless fuck.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 6, 2017 19:39:49 GMT -5
Sounds like after the news conference they are saying it was personal. I think that seems obvious. I'm not religious at all, but I like the idea that the actual physica church and the gathering there on Sundays m is a sacred place/tradition that we all just have an agreement about. That's why this shit is terrorism to me. Whether it was conscious or subconscious, part of the idea was to say "you aren't even safe at church motherfucker!", even if it was personal and not directed at the world or nation directly.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 6, 2017 20:38:38 GMT -5
Sounds like after the news conference they are saying it was personal. I think that seems obvious. I'm not religious at all, but I like the idea that the actual physica church and the gathering there on Sundays m is a sacred place/tradition that we all just have an agreement about. That's why this shit is terrorism to me. Whether it was conscious or subconscious, part of the idea was to say "you aren't even safe at church motherfucker!", even if it was personal and not directed at the world or nation directly. Yeah, supposedly one of the victims is his ex-wife's grandmother, and possibly was going for her parents since that is where they regularly would go to.
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Post by slaytan on Nov 7, 2017 5:32:36 GMT -5
Looks like the Air force dropped the ball. They didn't forward his domestic violence charge through the proper channels. He should have been able to buy the gun. Dude beat up an 11 month old. Fat, worthless fuck. He probably got a Bad Conduct Discharge instead of a dishonorable. It used to be easier to get a straight dishonorable, but today if you get a dishonorable discharge you’re probably doing life in prison anyway.
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Post by slaytan on Nov 8, 2017 14:45:33 GMT -5
Sounds like after the news conference they are saying it was personal. I think that seems obvious. I'm not religious at all, but I like the idea that the actual physica church and the gathering there on Sundays m is a sacred place/tradition that we all just have an agreement about. That's why this shit is terrorism to me. Whether it was conscious or subconscious, part of the idea was to say "you aren't even safe at church motherfucker!", even if it was personal and not directed at the world or nation directly. Yeah, supposedly one of the victims is his ex-wife's grandmother, and possibly was going for her parents since that is where they regularly would go to. Yes but the dude was very much an atheist shit brick. It’s sad that Facebook deleted his shit and is sitting on his activity log, but my guess is that he’s a total liberal shit brick. Every tidbit that has floated to the surface supports this. On some cached page that has been confirmed he listed among his interests “civil rights” and “animal rights” as well as atheist shitbrickery. In fact, his bio is somewhat similar to the most annoying “I’m not a liberal” extreme liberal fuck face in my facebook, who posts Atheist agitprop ad nauseum, like arguing atheism demonstrates what a genius he is, and proclaims himself above political labels while parroting the latest liberal line. Our shooter lived rent free in an $800k spread that was owned by his family, and so does this buddy of mine. Neither the shooter or my “friend” are necessarily unpopular either
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 14:47:28 GMT -5
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 8, 2017 17:46:15 GMT -5
It's still heartbreaking to know those people are going down in history as horrible people who deserved what they got. Pretty much everything the government said about them was a lie. Janet Reno is a horrible person.
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Post by slaytan on Nov 9, 2017 7:40:03 GMT -5
It's still heartbreaking to know those people are going down in history as horrible people who deserved what they got. Pretty much everything the government said about them was a lie. Janet Reno is a horrible person. Buddy, the Branch Davidians were scum who deserved what they got. I witnessed their evil firsthand in the TV movie they made with Bob Saget playing David Koresh
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 8:51:25 GMT -5
Sounds like after the news conference they are saying it was personal. I think that seems obvious. I'm not religious at all, but I like the idea that the actual physica church and the gathering there on Sundays m is a sacred place/tradition that we all just have an agreement about. That's why this shit is terrorism to me. Whether it was conscious or subconscious, part of the idea was to say "you aren't even safe at church motherfucker!", even if it was personal and not directed at the world or nation directly. That makes sense from the instilling terror part of being a terrorist. I just don't think this imbecile was intelligent enough to make that connection. Maybe he thought it was a soft target because even Texans don't bring guns to church. One thing is for sure. He seriously underestimated his opposition. His vest was only good for round tip handgun bullets and he only had a plate in the front. Didn't consider he'd have to run away from anyone I guess, and got what he had coming. I am really liking the facet of this where the air force totally dropped the ball, because it proves that gun control policy is only as good as the government implementing it. This one falls squarely on the shoulders of the government, which kills any "time to take the guns away" argument that might come from them.
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Post by slaytan on Nov 9, 2017 9:23:01 GMT -5
Sounds like after the news conference they are saying it was personal. I think that seems obvious. I'm not religious at all, but I like the idea that the actual physica church and the gathering there on Sundays m is a sacred place/tradition that we all just have an agreement about. That's why this shit is terrorism to me. Whether it was conscious or subconscious, part of the idea was to say "you aren't even safe at church motherfucker!", even if it was personal and not directed at the world or nation directly. That makes sense from the instilling terror part of being a terrorist. I just don't think this imbecile was intelligent enough to make that connection. Maybe he thought it was a soft target because even Texans don't bring guns to church. One thing is for sure. He seriously underestimated his opposition. His vest was only good for round tip handgun bullets and he only had a plate in the front. Didn't consider he'd have to run away from anyone I guess, and got what he had coming. I am really liking the facet of this where the air force totally dropped the ball, because it proves that gun control policy is only as good as the government implementing it. This one falls squarely on the shoulders of the government, which kills any "time to take the guns away" argument that might come from them. left brays about the NRA has “blood on its hands” when there have been zero mass shootings by NRA members, and in this case it was an NRA firearms instructor who brought the shooting to an end
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 9:34:54 GMT -5
It's still heartbreaking to know those people are going down in history as horrible people who deserved what they got. Pretty much everything the government said about them was a lie. Janet Reno is a horrible person. No doubt it was just one of many FBI scandals, but the branch Davidians were destined for Darwin awards one way or another. They just didn't get the chance to have their Jim Jones or hail bop moment.
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Post by slaytan on Nov 9, 2017 9:56:09 GMT -5
It's still heartbreaking to know those people are going down in history as horrible people who deserved what they got. Pretty much everything the government said about them was a lie. Janet Reno is a horrible person. No doubt it was just one of many FBI scandals, but the branch Davidians were destined for Darwin awards one way or another. They just didn't get the chance to have their Jim Jones or hail bop moment. How so? Honest question
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 10:09:42 GMT -5
It's still heartbreaking to know those people are going down in history as horrible people who deserved what they got. Pretty much everything the government said about them was a lie. Janet Reno is a horrible person. No doubt it was just one of many FBI scandals, but the branch Davidians were destined for Darwin awards one way or another. They just didn't get the chance to have their Jim Jones or hail bop moment. You think they were just another suicide cult? What brings you to that conclusion?
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 9, 2017 17:25:38 GMT -5
I think part of the reason they were targeted by the ATF to begin with is because they weren't just a suicide cult. They were overall harmless, but had figured out an "off the grid" sustainable life.
I mean we'll never really know. But what we do know is that it was one of, if not the biggest authoritarian overstep in our government's history.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 9:32:25 GMT -5
Former member Marc Breault said that he thought mass suicide was a possibility. And if you are in a cult that believes the end times are coming, why not off yourself? The precedent is there-everyone knows about the "big" suicide cults but there have been many other, smaller suicide cults as well. It's not an uncommon thing.
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Post by MMAJim on Nov 10, 2017 9:53:25 GMT -5
I'm sure the spiritual wives that were 12 years old were legit and necessary. (or gov't propaganda of course) However, I can actually remember this event happening and its not like they made up the 12 year old wives and other oddities after they killed them all. I'm not suggesting that its OK to kill everyone just because Vernon Howell (learned his real name from wiki) was likely raping 12 year olds. It's a tragedy, a federal overreach, a sham operation gone wrong. However, Vernon and at least a number of his crew, were direct contributing players in their own, and everyone else's deaths as well.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 10, 2017 15:38:47 GMT -5
There have been members who escaped/left before that said the pedophilia was a lie. I believe they szid he had young wives, but were talking 17-18-19. Big difference between that and 12 year olds. Definitely not a reason to roll in with military gear and burn the place down. Vernon and his people did what I hope all of us would do if the government showed up like that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 9:37:28 GMT -5
Where are you seeing that? Everything I've looked at-including David Thibodeu's book-has confirmed girls as young as 12. And Thibodeau seems like as good a source as any. Most of his book is defending the Branch Davidians, it's not like he was parroting the gov's story. In fact the whole point of that book was to point out the government's culpability.
Don't transpose that the people were good = Koresh was good. He was obviously a piece of shit, and I don't know why you are wanting to defend him. I think Peter Popov is a piece of shit-but I don't hold that against his followers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 10:39:14 GMT -5
Off topic..
But never understood the mentality behind wanting a Virgin or even worse, a young girl. I just don't get the appeal behind the teeny porn. And underage...ugh.
Give me a gal that knows what she wants and knows what to do with it.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 15, 2017 11:40:43 GMT -5
Off topic.. But never understood the mentality behind wanting a Virgin or even worse, a young girl. I just don't get the appeal behind the teeny porn. And underage...ugh. Give me a gal that knows what she wants and knows what to do with it. I feel like that's pretty easily explained. It's because our DNA hasn't caught up with society. It wasn't that long ago that women had kids at 15 and were dead by 28. And Duval, I didn't mean to come off as defending Koresh as much as it did. I mean the guy openly said he was the lamb of God. I just don't think any of his behavior warranted what happened.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 13:18:27 GMT -5
I still don't get it. Just does nothing for me.
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