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Post by Angelo on Nov 1, 2017 9:44:31 GMT -5
And it did happen to me. I was charged with 3rd Degree Assault in the state of New York. I reached a plea bargain where I pleaded guilty instead to a noise violation with 150$ fine and 100hrs of community service, which the office then forgave the hours.Let me guess. YOU WERE TOO BUSY AT YOUR JOB to fulfill the requirement?
Or did you actually show up for community service and bore everyone to death with your bullsh*t fantasies, leading them to just dismiss you in order to preserve their sanity?
Just curious.
No, I actually don't know why exactly it was forgiven.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 1, 2017 12:02:07 GMT -5
Okay, I'll do it in two sentences. Prosecutors don't use prior offenses to make plea deals. Judges do when/if they accept the plea and during sentencing. Well, actually, you made a fool of yourself in those sentences. 100% wrong, as OC noted.
Impressive.
But you really DO owe yourself a quick, hard slap upside the head for writing such drivel.
Not too hard, now. I don't want you to hurt yourself; you're an entertaining dude.
Wrong, Jack sauce. The judge uses that information when deciding whether or not to accept the plea bargain. I commend you on the effort though. It was cute.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 1, 2017 12:14:38 GMT -5
Well, actually, you made a fool of yourself in those sentences. 100% wrong, as OC noted.
Impressive.
But you really DO owe yourself a quick, hard slap upside the head for writing such drivel.
Not too hard, now. I don't want you to hurt yourself; you're an entertaining dude.
Wrong, Jack sauce. The judge uses that information when deciding whether or not to accept the plea bargain. I commend you on the effort though. It was cute. A judge can use prior offenses to determine if they'll accept a plea deal, you are right about that. However a prosecutor can use prior offenses to determine what to offer the defendant in the first place, and it is much more common to do so in areas (like Wisconsin) where there are no min/maxes in plea bargains. IF prosecutors couldn't use previous offenses in the plea bargain process, why was it accounted for in the study?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 14:14:36 GMT -5
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Post by Angelo on Nov 2, 2017 14:27:52 GMT -5
Yeah Donna is pissed at Clinton maneuvering Weinberg into being one of the DNC's big three money guys, which is now gone making all the Dems scramble for money (though they are recovering well enough at the moment). Top that off Clinton's political stock falling, there gonna be a lot more piling onto her. I'd expect Maxine Water to jump on that bandwagon soon given her recent resurgence on the national level, though it'll backfire for her I'd expect with people then realizing how hypocritical she is given her history with the banks. But this shit with the DNC (and even some of the shit with the RNC during the election) is just further evidence of why we need to eliminate special considerations for the major parties and instead treat all political parties the same.
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Post by PatSox on Nov 2, 2017 16:00:55 GMT -5
I find myself totally believing this one. But if you're a Trump guy, I honestly think you should be happy she did Based on how close she came, even with all her baggage and the late-in-the-game Comey stuff that hampered her chances, I'm pretty positive Bernie would have won if he made it past her. And it would be President Sanders you guys would be posting about for the past year. And it would be some high blood pressure, vein in the forehead sticking out kind of shit, for sure
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 2, 2017 16:29:54 GMT -5
I find myself totally believing this one. But if you're a Trump guy, I honestly think you should be happy she did Based on how close she came, even with all her baggage and the late-in-the-game Comey stuff that hampered her chances, I'm pretty positive Bernie would have won if he made it past her. And it would be President Sanders you guys would be posting about for the past year. And it would be some high blood pressure, vein in the forehead sticking out kind of shit, for sure For sure, at least as many millennials and hardcore liberals would have voted and even the first time voting mouth breathers that got Trump elected wouldn't have outweighed the people who didn't come out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 16:35:36 GMT -5
I find myself totally believing this one. But if you're a Trump guy, I honestly think you should be happy she did Based on how close she came, even with all her baggage and the late-in-the-game Comey stuff that hampered her chances, I'm pretty positive Bernie would have won if he made it past her. And it would be President Sanders you guys would be posting about for the past year. And it would be some high blood pressure, vein in the forehead sticking out kind of shit, for sure There is no way Bernie would have won. 1 debate on the national stage being asked real questions about policy and how he was going to pay for his programs and he would have folded like a lawn chair. Bernie never wanted to be President... he just wanted to feel important and yell his opinion to a bunch of people who will always cheer for free stuff
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Post by Angelo on Nov 2, 2017 16:42:37 GMT -5
I find myself totally believing this one. But if you're a Trump guy, I honestly think you should be happy she did Based on how close she came, even with all her baggage and the late-in-the-game Comey stuff that hampered her chances, I'm pretty positive Bernie would have won if he made it past her. And it would be President Sanders you guys would be posting about for the past year. And it would be some high blood pressure, vein in the forehead sticking out kind of shit, for sure There is no way Bernie would have won. 1 debate on the national stage being asked real questions about policy and how he was going to pay for his programs and he would have folded like a lawn chair. Bernie never wanted to be President... he just wanted to feel important and yell his opinion to a bunch of people who will always cheer for free stuff What would have killed Bernie in a general election was just all the hypocrite shit that would have come out. The shit with his wife ripping off the college students, him avoiding taxes, and you know Trump would have played the hell out of the stories of him creeping out girls back in college.
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Post by PatSox on Nov 2, 2017 16:53:05 GMT -5
You guys are missing it. Bernie is the the master of baffelling people with bullshit. And like Trump, he was very good at telling people what they want to hear. He would have spun right off that negative stuff and gone in to his rederick, and plenty of people would have fallen for it
Free healthcare, free college, old college loan debt wiped clean. Taking down the bankers and the top 1%. People were eating that shit up. Even though it was never going to happen, it was working. Hillary had to force the party to massively undermine and cheat him, to keep him from winning that nomination. And if he did, he absolutely would have grabbed Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin
Don't fool yourself, just because you don't like the guy. You're right to, by the way. He's full of shit. But when has that ever stopped anyone from becoming president?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 17:50:02 GMT -5
The country is leaning socialist, free stuff sounds great to the majority. Berne would hAve won if he got the main platform. If he ran in 2020 he would win as well.
People are dummies. Don't ever underestimate that.
I was legit worried that old goofy fuck was going to win. Thank god for the dnc and hrc, lol.
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Post by slaytan on Nov 2, 2017 17:52:22 GMT -5
You guys are missing it. Bernie is the the master of baffelling people with bullshit. And like Trump, he was very good at telling people what they want to hear. He would have spun right off that negative stuff and gone in to his rederick, and plenty of people would have fallen for it Free healthcare, free college, old college loan debt wiped clean. Taking down the bankers and the top 1%. People were eating that shit up. Even though it was never going to happen, it was working. Hillary had to force the party to massively undermine and cheat him, to keep him from winning that nomination. And if he did, he absolutely would have grabbed Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin Don't fool yourself, just because you don't like the guy. You're right to, by the way. He's full of shit. But when has that ever stopped anyone from becoming president? I hope “rederick” was a joke, but I have my doubts. Also doubtful is that Bernie could have beaten Trump. I mean, it could have happened but it doubt it. If white women chose Trump over Hillary, which they did, Bernie would have been crushed. On the national stage by himself, instead of as opening act for Hillary, Bernie would have been a gaffe machine and his lack of charisma would have worn thin. He did have smugness on his side, which movie idiots like you always fall sucker for and believe is intelligence, but the truth is that Bernie is not very bright and that also would have shown through on center stage. Smugness only works when you’re not challenged. Hell, Bernie only beat Hillary because Trump was putting him over as the rightful dem nominee the whole time
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 17:57:37 GMT -5
I always thought it was going to be Bernie vs. Trump. I didn't really see any way that Hillary was going to appeal to enough people to even get the nomination. But, superdelegates (establishment). And control of the DNC is a pretty solid way to secure / steal a nomination. Didn't really see that one coming until the news media made sure to point out that she basically had the nomination locked up from the standpoint of the superdelegates from day one.
I honestly think that this was something that was discussed by a lot of the right- leaning media during the election. That she had kind of tried to rig things in her favor as much as she possibly could.
The other funny thing that I remember is that Donna brazile got into a bunch of trouble because she gave Hillary debate questions prior to the debates. And now Donna brazile is here with a book basically explaining why she engaged in Shady Behavior herself. Basically she was scared to death of Trump.
I see something in this Donna brazile story that actually makes me a little happy. It seems like this is the beginning of the democratic party trying to separate itself from the Clinton family. And that would be a very good move on their part. Because they are not going to ever win you another election. They are the definition of a corrupt political family, and they are all so blatantly phony that it baffles the mind that anyone would find them appealing. Their daughter graduated into a $900,000 a year job right out of college, she lives in a 10 million dollar apartment in New York City, and her wedding cost $3000000. And she goes around telling Americans how they need to check their privilege...
I kind of think the way that Hillary got the nomination stunk so much of more establishment bulshit that it helped Trump in more than a few small ways.
Hillary and her goddamn ego basically stole the opportunity from us to see the debates between a socialist and a billionaire capitalist. Those would have been so much better. Trump would have eviscerated the old guy and I don't think the end result would have been very different. Trump still would have won because the Bernie folks simply did not have the numbers. They needed the equivalent of a two-thirds majority to override a veto. They didn't have anywhere near that, which is good because it tells me that there are still enough people in this country who know that socialism is bullshit.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 2, 2017 18:00:34 GMT -5
The reason Obama got elected (dumb black folks that had never voted + no real viable republican candidate) is the same reason Trump got elected (dumb white folks who had never voted + terrible democratic candidate). If Bernie would have been on the nomination, enough of the dumb white people who voted Trump + all the college educated super socialists would have gotten him elected.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 18:02:13 GMT -5
You guys are giving too much cred to the people. Most think that Berne beat Cruz in the debate they had recently. He didnt. Not even close.
So even if Trump would hAve been strong in the debates, your still have a ton of delusional people that think Trump equals evil and think the world of Bernie Sanders.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 18:05:08 GMT -5
The reason Obama got elected (dumb black folks that had never voted + no real viable republican candidate) is the same reason Trump got elected (dumb white folks who had never voted + terrible democratic candidate). If Bernie would have been on the nomination, enough of the dumb white people who voted Trump + all the college educated super socialists would have gotten him elected. Obama got voted in because he had a voting class that no other candidate has ever been able to pull from. There was no stopping him in 08. But against Romney, your thoughts here go out the window. Romney was very capable. And considering more people voted for Hrc than trump, that doesn't make much sense either. And if you think whites are responsible for Trump, you are nor paying attention.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 18:06:21 GMT -5
You a Bernie guy andrew?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 18:06:40 GMT -5
There's no way to prove this either way.
But Bernie's tax plans and his infrastructure plans were absolutely destroyed by economists from both sides of the aisle. Let's not forget that the race for the Republican nomination was never even close. Part of the reason for that is because of these "dumb white people" who actually showed up at nomination events and changed the landscape. There were more of them than there were Bernie supporters. They were willing to actually go vote twice. Bernie's folks? No. They couldn't get the job done. If Bernie had done a better job securing more support for himself in the primary process it is conceivable that he could have pulled some superdelegates. But he didn't even move the needle enough to swing five of them over into his Direction.
The funniest part of all of this to me though is that if you are right, and that Bernie would have won, then this is a clear example of the Democrats shooting themselves right in the face. Because if it wasn't for all of that superdelegates support, Bernie might have been the nominee.
He still would have been slapped around like a redheaded stepchild during the debates. And, it's not likely that he would have had the level of media support that Clinton had. But whatevs.
The good guys won this round.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 18:08:39 GMT -5
You guys are giving too much cred to the people. Most think that Berne beat Cruz in the debate they had recently. He didnt. Not even close. So even if Trump would hAve been strong in the debates, your still have a ton of delusional people that think Trump equals evil and think the world of Bernie Sanders. Just remember where you are. You're in the most liberal state in the country, and easily the most socialist state in the country. Bernie just didn't have any kind of support outside of Eastern Massachusetts and California. He still doesn't. California is definitely leaning more socialist. But that is not a trend that is occurring across the country.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 18:14:20 GMT -5
I have to disagree. And Bernie strong number's at the polls tells me it's not just cali.
That being said, I take comfort in you saying this. I only can hope you are correct. I've shared with you some of the crap that goes on around here...I hate this garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 18:19:23 GMT -5
I'd be really surprised if he runs again. All of his luster will be gone. And it'll be obvious.
The Democrats need to find an identity, and get on that pronto. But I think they seem to have resigned themselves to the fact that they are not getting back into the White House until 2024.
Would not surprise me in the least bit if they try to hold up Kamala Harris as their savior. And you probably know more about her than I do.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 2, 2017 18:20:14 GMT -5
No, Bernie is too far left with the socialism for me. And beyond that, he's still too authoritarian for actual views. But I wasn't talking about vs Romney, I meant in 08 vs McCain/Palin. Although, with the political climate I think having a Mormon run, even with an otherwise fairly palatable platform, was a terrible move. Republicans underestimate how much of their voters aren't into the whole religion thing. But that's another discussion.
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 2, 2017 19:24:45 GMT -5
You guys are giving too much cred to the people. Most think that Berne beat Cruz in the debate they had recently. He didnt. Not even close. So even if Trump would hAve been strong in the debates, your still have a ton of delusional people that think Trump equals evil and think the world of Bernie Sanders. Just remember where you are. You're in the most liberal state in the country, and easily the most socialist state in the country. Bernie just didn't have any kind of support outside of Eastern Massachusetts and California. He still doesn't. California is definitely leaning more socialist. But that is not a trend that is occurring across the country. You know the "silent majority" that voted from Trump is a dog whistle for what I was talking about, dumb white folks (a lot of whom weren't previous voters)? Well the SJW antifa fan young socialists that didn't and don't vote, would have turned out to vote for Bernie and he would have smashed the election. And there would have been a lot of people going "how the hell did this guy win...the polls".
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Post by andrewk1988 on Nov 2, 2017 19:31:26 GMT -5
^that first sentence is borderline unreadable. I apologize, but I'm not editing it. I like the "you're stupid" digs on here. Keeps my ego in check.
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Post by MMAJim on Nov 2, 2017 21:45:15 GMT -5
I like how Donna Brazile writes a book about heroically getting to the truth of it. She was also shocked by what she found.
Come'on man, she leaked the debate questions vs Bernardo to HRC!
I mean, I'm glad she wrote this shit, but the audacity is great. She was in lockstep with the f'n manipulation.
Good stuff.
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Post by PatSox on Nov 2, 2017 23:02:36 GMT -5
I like how Donna Brazile writes a book about heroically getting to the truth of it. She was also shocked by what she found. Come'on man, she leaked the debate questions vs Bernardo to HRC! I mean, I'm glad she wrote this shit, but the audacity is great. She was in lockstep with the f'n manipulation. Good stuff. As Churchill once said, "history is written by the lying ass liars"
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Post by HumanAgent on Nov 2, 2017 23:25:06 GMT -5
^that first sentence is borderline unreadable. I apologize, but I'm not editing it. I like the "you're stupid" digs on here. Keeps my ego in check. It's "your stupid"... moran!
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Post by PatSox on Nov 3, 2017 1:42:25 GMT -5
You guys are missing it. Bernie is the the master of baffelling people with bullshit. And like Trump, he was very good at telling people what they want to hear. He would have spun right off that negative stuff and gone in to his rederick, and plenty of people would have fallen for it Free healthcare, free college, old college loan debt wiped clean. Taking down the bankers and the top 1%. People were eating that shit up. Even though it was never going to happen, it was working. Hillary had to force the party to massively undermine and cheat him, to keep him from winning that nomination. And if he did, he absolutely would have grabbed Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin Don't fool yourself, just because you don't like the guy. You're right to, by the way. He's full of shit. But when has that ever stopped anyone from becoming president? I hope “rederick” was a joke, but I have my doubts. Also doubtful is that Bernie could have beaten Trump. I mean, it could have happened but it doubt it. If white women chose Trump over Hillary, which they did, Bernie would have been crushed. On the national stage by himself, instead of as opening act for Hillary, Bernie would have been a gaffe machine and his lack of charisma would have worn thin. He did have smugness on his side, which movie idiots like you always fall sucker for and believe is intelligence, but the truth is that Bernie is not very bright and that also would have shown through on center stage. Smugness only works when you’re not challenged. Hell, Bernie only beat Hillary because Trump was putting him over as the rightful dem nominee the whole time Too long of a call-back, perhaps
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Post by boboplata on Nov 3, 2017 6:21:40 GMT -5
I hope “rederick” was a joke, but I have my doubts. Also doubtful is that Bernie could have beaten Trump. I mean, it could have happened but it doubt it. If white women chose Trump over Hillary, which they did, Bernie would have been crushed. On the national stage by himself, instead of as opening act for Hillary, Bernie would have been a gaffe machine and his lack of charisma would have worn thin. He did have smugness on his side, which movie idiots like you always fall sucker for and believe is intelligence, but the truth is that Bernie is not very bright and that also would have shown through on center stage. Smugness only works when you’re not challenged. Hell, Bernie only beat Hillary because Trump was putting him over as the rightful dem nominee the whole time Too long of a call-back, perhaps Baffeling.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 8:07:05 GMT -5
Just remember where you are. You're in the most liberal state in the country, and easily the most socialist state in the country. Bernie just didn't have any kind of support outside of Eastern Massachusetts and California. He still doesn't. California is definitely leaning more socialist. But that is not a trend that is occurring across the country. You know the "silent majority" that voted from Trump is a dog whistle for what I was talking about, dumb white folks (a lot of whom weren't previous voters)? Well the SJW antifa fan young socialists that didn't and don't vote, would have turned out to vote for Bernie and he would have smashed the election. And there would have been a lot of people going "how the hell did this guy win...the polls". Antifa doesn't have those kinds of numbers. Especially the voting kind. I'd say there's a good chance that a bunch of those little pussies in Black masks are under 18. Just like there aren't 63 million white supremacists in this country, there are not 63 million members of antifa.
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