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Post by mmaphreak on Jun 16, 2017 0:16:16 GMT -5
anybody watch the putin interviews with oliver stone? while yes, stone is no journalist and pretty much refrains from holding putin's feet to the fire, there are some takeaways from the interview. first off, i didn't watch all four in their entirety. didn't see any of part 1. saw most of part 2, some of part 3 and most of part 4.
on the election "hacks": of course he denies any official russian participation. he goes on to admit that with respect to cyber attacks, there are actions and responses. he also doesn't believe that whatever did come from the hacks, had any real effect on the election. he also says that the hacks only revealed the truth about american politics.
on snowden: imo, this was the most interesting part of the interview that i saw. putin has a very sly way about him where he very clearly feigns ignorance on the importance of certain actions. he made it seem like snowden's defection to russia was an incredibly last minute deal that didn't come together until snowden was actually on russian soil. he also says that he disagreed with what snowden did. he believes that if you work for the government and disagree with how things are being done, just quit, like he did when he resigned from the KGB. the snowden stuff opened up other areas like state sponsored spying. very interesting stuff.
on ukraine: i didn't see the whole ukraine exchange, but what i did see, putin basically said the western media spun a web of bullshit. he also said the same thing about the georgian issue, saying that georgia attacked russia first.
watching a sub-titled interview is a bit of a chore, but i'll say this...
i might go back and watch all four parts. putin is a scary dude. very intelligent. very well spoken. very charismatic. i know one thing. i sure don't want him and trump in a room alone together. putin could walk away with all our launch codes and national secrets in exchange for n00ds of Miss Russia.
of course that's hyperbole and i guess you could call me a trump supporter, but i know this...putin is 10X's smarter than trump and if they were to meet, i'd want to make sure a smart american was there to make sure trump doesn't say or do something stupid.
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Post by Angelo on Jun 16, 2017 0:26:25 GMT -5
Subtitles are my life  I call bullshit on why he resigned from the KSB, that was a power move. I do think though he telling the truth about it a last minute deal with Snowden. He is extremely intelligent though. I mean he crossed the KGB-Political gap basically controlling the two of the most powerful of the 5 Russian factions while bribing a third. Something nobody before him was able to pull off. I do think though that much of the media, not just here but everywhere, gives him too much credit for shit that Russia didn't actually do. Hell top cyber-security experts in the US trace attacks back to China, but everyone screams Russia. |
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Post by slaytan on Jun 16, 2017 1:56:58 GMT -5
What I use to call the news is now nothing more than paid propaganda funded by both the left and right. Until you fuck sticks grow balls and vote outside of the two party system I'll continue to smirk. Back on the sterno I see |
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Post by boboplata on Jun 16, 2017 2:50:49 GMT -5
I clicked the link, saw the picture. Read the article until the very end. I was expecting the black dude to be a chubby chaser making a cuck out of the husband. Disappointed. You sir, have been duly reported. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 9:08:36 GMT -5
An amusing (I hope) cut-and-pasted e-mail from my wife's cousin
back in Iowa:
Confused
I became confused when I heard the word "Service" used with these agencies:
Internal Revenue 'Service'
U.S. Postal 'Service'
Telephone 'Service'
Cable / TV 'Service'
Civil 'Service'
City, County & State Public 'Service'
Customer 'Service'
This is not what I thought 'Service' meant.
But today, I overheard two farmers talking, and one of them said he had hired a bull to 'Service' a few cows
BAM!!! It all came into focus.
Now I understand what all those agencies are doing.
I hope that you are now just as enlightened as I am.
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Post by Baph on Jun 16, 2017 14:47:50 GMT -5
Russia kills leader of ISIS?
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Post by Premier on Jun 16, 2017 15:00:18 GMT -5
I keep hearing that the US can't confirm it. I wish they do! I had that nikka in my death pool!
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Post by Baph on Jun 17, 2017 20:21:27 GMT -5
Dear god, man. What in the FUCK is going on with us?
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Post by PatSox on Jun 17, 2017 20:45:03 GMT -5
Russia kills leader of ISIS?  Actually, what really happened was ISIS killed a liter of russian vodka Easy to get that mixed up when you don't have an inside source, like I do |
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Post by Baph on Jun 17, 2017 22:00:01 GMT -5
RIP  |
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Post by daywork on Jun 17, 2017 23:33:16 GMT -5
Dear god, man. What in the FUCK is going on with us? Wow, That is so messed up. The Dean is just about as bad as the kids.
The video just makes me sick.
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Post by Angelo on Jun 18, 2017 0:32:04 GMT -5
Dear god, man. What in the FUCK is going on with us? Shit like this happened at Penn State. Spanier literally called up Louis Freeh and got "permission" to use campus security to use them to detain without cause anyone they thought was protesting the governor's speech at the time. The difference is, over the last about 6 years or so, colleges are now being held accountable-ish. Is there the rubber-band effect? Sure. Places like Evergreen are playing it extra-safe when they don't need to, others though are going about business as usual. There needs to be a normalcy struck. Calling for a VOLUNTARY day of no-white, nothing wrong with that. Protesting when people don't follow through, problem. More in a place where people are paying to be. They should have just stepped in and say do what other colleges have done which has disrupted nobody and hold private small events to the audience you want. While I hate what happens like in this video, I'm glad Universities are finally being held accountable to the students. The student government at Penn State raised the money to pay for a law firm to represent students, hear their complaints/ etc... for wrongdoing by the university. The university threatened to expel the student government and anyone who retained their services. They'd threatened to expel students who drank under the age of 18 in countries where it allowed. Students who filed rape charges to the police before the campus's student affairs. I'm glad college are being held to a standard now. I just think we need to finally hold them to a normal standard. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 8:42:55 GMT -5
That Evergreen College thing is interesting to me. There's a facet to the situation that I don't think really gets enough attention or is even being talked about at all.
The whole point of their original voluntary day of exclusion or whatever they were calling it - was obviously intended to make white people think about things that they probably don't think about very often. (What's life on campus like without any minorities?)
When they flipped it around and expected white people to leave they were not engaging in the same kind of social experiment.
Because did any of you really think that the people who were protesting the loudest in the face of that Professor who refused to leave don't fantasize daily about what life without white people would be like?
So the experiment was hijacked and transitioned from something that could be a teaching moment for everyone- And it was turned into this kind of weird fantasy fulfillment for a small minority of people. But when one of the evil white folks refused to back down to racism, the "protestors" all flip the fuck out and start making ridiculous demands of the administration.
Absolutely ridiculous. The president of that University should be fucking fired.
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Post by johncfc on Jun 18, 2017 10:17:02 GMT -5
Is Evergreen like a DeVry type college?
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Post by matt on Jun 18, 2017 11:04:59 GMT -5
Dear god, man. What in the FUCK is going on with us? Calling for a VOLUNTARY day of no-white, nothing wrong with that. ![]()  |
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Post by Baph on Jun 18, 2017 11:09:13 GMT -5
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Post by purerockfury on Jun 18, 2017 11:34:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 11:59:45 GMT -5
Is Evergreen like a DeVry type college? I think it must be something like that. Because I watched a video of the protests. There was one clip with some black chick who was reading their List of Demands. I couldn't really tell you what those demands were though. Because this chick who had been accepted into this college? She couldn't even fucking read. But she's in college? Illiterate and in college? Welcome to 2017. Back when I was in high school my father gave me this whole big lecture about how College was one of the institutions that kept our country leaning in the direction of a meritocracy. That just isn't the case anymore. It used to be in order to get into college you had to demonstrate the ability to think better than your average person. But now in 2017 college is being spoken about like it is some sort of right. And as universities and colleges have become more lenient with their acceptance requirements (and also indirectly devalued their own diplomas) now everyone thinks they have to go to college. And it has become just another pothole in the way of most people's ability to actually attain the American dream. I've never heard of Evergreen College before. Based on the quality of the students that I saw in those videos I don't expect to hear anything about Evergreen College ever again once this bs has blown over. It's a subpar institution filled with subpar students. |
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Post by matt on Jun 18, 2017 12:02:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 12:06:38 GMT -5
Joe Rogan has one of the faculty members on his show, jre #970 if anyone care's to give a listen.
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Post by CaveBearOG on Jun 18, 2017 12:13:12 GMT -5
Lol. Can't do this, gotta do that. Cant smoke here or there. Can't say this, gotta say it this way.
People despise religion because of rules and false claims, wake the fuck up, it's happening already just ain't no God telling you what to do....smh
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Post by matt on Jun 18, 2017 12:34:14 GMT -5
Seems like attachments don't show up in a quoted post?? Anyhow, the liberals are all about taxing the SHIT outta you...in order to bank roll their personal utopia. I was having this discussion with this liberal who demanded that life saving drugs are a human right. So asked him how this medicine is produced, and how it's distributed...by slaves? His answer was to pay more taxes... liberals...the champions of spending other people's money. |
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Post by Angelo on Jun 18, 2017 12:35:21 GMT -5
Calling for a VOLUNTARY day of no-white, nothing wrong with that. ![]() Nothing wrong with asking for anything. What's wrong is forcing others to give it to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 12:38:09 GMT -5
The whole "right" thing...
I feel that most don't understand that if you have to take from the back of someone else, it is not any type of right and never will be.
Now, are we a wealthy nation and can we provide certain things because of this? Sure. But to call it a right is a straight insult to those that work their asses off and take care of themselves.
Housing is a right is my new favorite one. Housing...in la...near the water...is a right? Lol that's a fucking lifetime goal.
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Post by matt on Jun 18, 2017 12:42:13 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with asking for anything. What's wrong is forcing others to give it to you. This is true, in a sense... if you want good things in this life, you gotta go out there and take the world by the twig and giggleberries. However, when it comes to asking for and demanding racial segregation and discrimination, I whole heartedly disagree. Vehemently. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 12:57:07 GMT -5
It's rather ballsy and some serious nerve to ask any skin color of people to step out for a day.
And it's funny, because wasn't equality what everyone wanted? Seems like they wanted more.
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Post by matt on Jun 18, 2017 13:10:35 GMT -5
The whole "right" thing... I feel that most don't understand that if you have to take from the back of someone else, it is not any type of right and never will be. Now, are we a wealthy nation and can we provide certain things because of this? Sure. But to call it a right is a straight insult to those that work their asses off and take care of themselves. Housing is a right is my new favorite one. Housing...in la...near the water...is a right? Lol that's a fucking lifetime goal. The right thing to do isn't always realistic, especially when you're talking about millions of people. That's the thing, that's the MAIN point that liberals don't understand... We ALL want to help the innocent people who DESERVE to be helped! However, especially in my case, most people don't want to be FORCED to do something. That's NOT helping, that's being enslaved... These politicians are crafty, and they use this bleeding heart sentiment to gain more and more power, on their way to enslaving the planet. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 13:19:13 GMT -5
If someone wants to help someone they will. Charities do exist.
The problem is when it's forced. No one wants to be forced to do anything. Imo, it takes away from a right that we do have and that is the right to pursue happiness and come to think of it, the right to be protected from enslavement. I feel this really is lost amongst the liberal line of thinking.
I also feel that giving the handouts to the point of being to live comfortably on them...it harms society to the fucking core. When kids do not see a working adult and the foundation and structure that it takes to make it, it does us all a diservice.
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Post by Baph on Jun 18, 2017 13:32:14 GMT -5
Lol. Can't do this, gotta do that. Cant smoke here or there. Can't say this, gotta say it this way. People despise religion because of rules and false claims, wake the fuck up, it's happening already just ain't no God telling you what to do....smh Solid observation. I'm part of a group of atheists that I got into maybe 15 yrs ago, early college days, and yes, the vast majority of atheists are liberals. And the strange, jarring cognitive dissonance that many liberals exhibit with regard to a religious loyalty, blind spot, suspension of skepticism when it comes to government is bewildering. The same folks that ruthlessly (and accurately) mock and critique religion will ironically exhibit the same behaviors in regard to blatant issues with their Mormon like reverence for North Korean style totalitarianism. These people censoring speech and injecting Islam into their idealistic Nordic cultures and suing bakeries are the same folks who scour religious dogma with a fine point laser, identifying inconsistencies and logical fallacies . . . right after starting a fire on campus because some dude said the bell curve is real. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2017 14:34:05 GMT -5
I do find myself aligning more with Conservative ideologies (well, Libertarian) but the whole religion crap annoys the hell out of me. However, liberals, as Baph pointed out, are just as dogmatic with some of their views. It is also interesting that they are all much more sympathetic to Mooslims even though worldwide, Christians are more persecuted. I guess the difference is that this is America and it is ruled by Christians.
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