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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 16:59:09 GMT -5
Apparently Berkeley gets something like 320M a year from the feds, and that money covers more than half their budget.
Trump's talking about taking the money away after this debacle. I hope he does.
And the left starts talking about him attempting to silence his opposition....because you know they're going to. The hypocrisy is off the charts right now.
It'd be really fucking awesome if news sources like Reuters saw a big rise in readership. That might signal that people are getting tired of the sensationalism.
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Post by PatSox on Feb 2, 2017 19:47:38 GMT -5
All this revisiting of Obama's decisions on immigrant bans and drone strikes and other military actions and wondering why the double standard...........Because, Republicans for years made Obama out to be this Islamic sympathizer who would doom us all with his dangerous far left way of thinking. Some even went another way and tried to make him out to be a secret Islamic extremist. Or even an illigal immigrant himself. Remember the whole birth certificate thing? Trump was ALL OVER that one That was the card right wingers played. So left wingers took the equally ridiculous stance that he's just more accepting and peace loving and inclusive than all you mean old angry white racist republicans are. And you're laughing now at that last sentence. You should.....almost. Because you blew your chance to attack him for the war crime and anti-immigration stuff, not once, but twice. First when you accused him of being just the opposite and tried using that as the platform on which he was unfit to be the president. And second, when you adopted the whole whatever it takes, blow the Islamic extremists to bits, fuck all these immigrants, attitude now that it's your guy saying it I'm not even telling you if I think you're wrong, or not, on these stances. I'm saying it rings just as hollow for Republicans flip flopping on what's good and bad, based on who's side is pushing it, as it does for democrats who are doing the same. It's so phony and unfortunately it's never going away, because THAT is exactly what politics are about. Picking and choosing what ever works for you at the time. Whatever it takes to make your side seem right and the other side seem wrong. I always say if you had a time machine and could go back and take two candidates and flipped the platforms they ran on, the staunch partisan party people would sing a completely different tune based soley on that. And it's playing out perfectly now with people's attitudes towards Obama and Trump Both sides proving how COMPLETELY full of shit they are Holy shit I didn't realize that you are actually lena dunham in real life!!! Neither did I...............who is that?
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Post by Makalu G on Feb 2, 2017 19:53:55 GMT -5
There's a local Chicago forum I'm on that is VERY anti Trump. There's some pretty smart, reasonable people that post there, but I'd like to see them converse with some of you guys here...
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Post by ToNoAvail on Feb 2, 2017 20:08:39 GMT -5
Holy shit I didn't realize that you are actually lena dunham in real life!!! Neither did I...............who is that? You watch waaay too much tv to not know who she is, even if you don't watch anything she's on...come on now. Jump on down off your high horse your majesty. She's that grotesque,lumpy orca-looking creature that flops around nude as often as possible because, feminism n' shit.
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 0:21:12 GMT -5
All this revisiting of Obama's decisions on immigrant bans and drone strikes and other military actions and wondering why the double standard...........Because, Republicans for years made Obama out to be this Islamic sympathizer who would doom us all with his dangerous far left way of thinking. Some even went another way and tried to make him out to be a secret Islamic extremist. Or even an illigal immigrant himself. Remember the whole birth certificate thing? Trump was ALL OVER that one That was the card right wingers played. So left wingers took the equally ridiculous stance that he's just more accepting and peace loving and inclusive than all you mean old angry white racist republicans are. And you're laughing now at that last sentence. You should.....almost. Because you blew your chance to attack him for the war crime and anti-immigration stuff, not once, but twice. First when you accused him of being just the opposite and tried using that as the platform on which he was unfit to be the president. And second, when you adopted the whole whatever it takes, blow the Islamic extremists to bits, fuck all these immigrants, attitude now that it's your guy saying it I'm not even telling you if I think you're wrong, or not, on these stances. I'm saying it rings just as hollow for Republicans flip flopping on what's good and bad, based on who's side is pushing it, as it does for democrats who are doing the same. It's so phony and unfortunately it's never going away, because THAT is exactly what politics are about. Picking and choosing what ever works for you at the time. Whatever it takes to make your side seem right and the other side seem wrong. I always say if you had a time machine and could go back and take two candidates and flipped the platforms they ran on, the staunch partisan party people would sing a completely different tune based soley on that. And it's playing out perfectly now with people's attitudes towards Obama and Trump Both sides proving how COMPLETELY full of shit they are There is some truth to this. My hope would be that A) the media would be relatively objective and impervious to whatever petty cards were played and apply uniform levels of scrutiny across administrations, and that B) at least some on the left and on the right would do the same, and realize how ridiculous they look raving now after being blind, deaf, and mute for the past 8 years on these same topics. But, in the end, it all just goes to solidify the argument for a libertarian worldview, because there were, are, and will continue to be the only folks who do precisely that. They were critical of Bush, they were critical of Obama, and they will be critical of Trump, because it's the only quasi-major organization currently operating in the US that puts principal and ethic above agenda-driven power plays.
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 0:23:45 GMT -5
Can you imagine a university, a higher learning center, setting fires and breaking windows and beating people unconscious because someone was invited to come speak on the ills of militant social justice warriors?
Ironic, yes, but deeply fucking disturbing. The left in 2017 looks a LOT like the right in the 1960s. I mean . . . the irony on this deeper level is absolutely profound.
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 0:26:09 GMT -5
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Post by Angelo on Feb 3, 2017 1:13:07 GMT -5
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 1:13:27 GMT -5
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 1:35:54 GMT -5
Scotty Michael -- "I am a Berkeley alum, and am willing to attest to having witnessed conservative speakers and students alike being systematically bullied and nearly run off campus as a matter of course. This leftist criminal behavior is nothing new, and is tacitly promoted on campus by the administration. I attended 2004-2006."
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 1:52:44 GMT -5
Comment of the night:
"Love Trumping Hate" has a lot more assault and arson than I expected.
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Post by ToNoAvail on Feb 3, 2017 2:13:20 GMT -5
Jake Shields was there as well, helped a man after being jumped by multiple people. He tweeted some filmage of the aftermath.
Seen the guy laying unconscious on the concrete? Face down, outcold? Being hit with, what was said to be, shovels?
We all knew the rules, Trump won, Hillary "it's My Turn" Clinton lost. That's democracy.
Hillary won the popular vote by 3mill? And that equals what percentage of the total vote?? Ok, so it was nearly half and half. Now, the other, "tolerant" half is doing everything they can do to halt or even overthrow the current administration all while Yelling every "ism" in the book.
The only side dividing us is the left, they're saying "no" to half of the country's request. All because it doesn't coinside with their beliefs. And whose the fascist???
A pretty ugly look.
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 2:34:52 GMT -5
Jake Shields was there as well, helped a man after being jumped by multiple people. He tweeted some filmage of the aftermath. Seen the guy laying unconscious on the concrete? Face down, outcold? Being hit with, what was said to be, shovels? We all knew the rules, Trump won, Hillary "it's My Turn" Clinton lost. That's democracy. Hillary won the popular vote by 3mill? And that equals what percentage of the total vote?? Ok, so it was nearly half and half. Now, the other, "tolerant" half is doing everything they can do to halt or even overthrow the current administration all while Yelling every "ism" in the book. The only side dividing us is the left, they're saying "no" to half of the country's request. All because it doesn't coinside with their beliefs. And whose the fascist??? A pretty ugly look. This can't be true. Berkeley released a statement today that said there were no injuries and CNN commented that the extremist Milo caused protests, but made not mention of property damage, assault, fires, or breaching the building. Also, no liberal leaders or university heads have denounced the event, so your account is likely some exaggerated tea bagger propaganda.
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Post by slaytan on Feb 3, 2017 4:58:33 GMT -5
Can you imagine a university, a higher learning center, setting fires and breaking windows and beating people unconscious because someone was invited to come speak on the ills of militant social justice warriors? Ironic, yes, but deeply fucking disturbing. T he left in 2017 looks a LOT like the right in the 1960s. I mean . . . the irony on this deeper level is absolutely profound. Sorry Baph. The right in the 1960s wasn't torching shit and committing violence. That was all the left, same as the 1930s and 20s. The only place the right is violent in America is in movies and word of mouth apocrypha
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 10:59:22 GMT -5
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5893e15be4b04061313629d3?This is some huff and puff post about the background checks for firearms that we currently have in place. Something about taking out the block we have for allowing people who collect benefits for a mental disability to now be able to purchase a firearm? Maybe I should have made a new thread for this...but did this even exist in the first place? I can only recall having to check a box stating I'm not insane and have never been in the looney bin. I always felt that was rather...trusting.
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Post by PatSox on Feb 3, 2017 11:07:59 GMT -5
Neither did I...............who is that? You watch waaay too much tv to not know who she is, even if you don't watch anything she's on...come on now. Jump on down off your high horse your majesty. She's that grotesque,lumpy orca-looking creature that flops around nude as often as possible because, feminism n' shit. Okay calm down, Francis. I looked her up and you're right, I do know who she is and what show she's on. When I first saw Matt say the name, I didn't recognize it and assumed it was some political pundit, or columnist or something like that, who maybe had recently made a similar point that I had Now that I realize who he meant, I am confused as to why he mentioned her. Did she come out and say something like that, recently? If so....good for her
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Post by ocmmafan on Feb 3, 2017 11:10:35 GMT -5
The news coverage of the Berkeley event was similar to CNN covering a Trump Rally - complete obfuscation of the truth. But it honestly helps maintain the distrust in media and CNN keeps digging their own grave.
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Post by PatSox on Feb 3, 2017 11:17:39 GMT -5
The news coverage of the Berkeley event was similar to CNN covering a Trump Rally - complete obfuscation of the truth. But it honestly helps maintain the distrust in media and CNN keeps digging their own grave. Obfuscation is one of those words where if someone uses it in scrabble, you know it's a good word, but you're like, "oh FUCK you"
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Post by hammerfaust on Feb 3, 2017 11:39:16 GMT -5
The only place the right is violent in America is in movies and word of mouth apocrypha And abortion clinics....
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Post by matt on Feb 3, 2017 12:45:02 GMT -5
The only place the right is violent in America is in movies and word of mouth apocrypha And abortion clinics.... When in Rome...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 13:47:50 GMT -5
Trump just declared February as American Heart Month. Which is pretty damned funny to me, because typically February is Black History Month.
Waiting for the outrage from the left. #BlackHistoryMonthMatters
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Post by ocmmafan on Feb 3, 2017 14:01:53 GMT -5
Trump just declared February as American Heart Month. Which is pretty damned funny to me, because typically February is Black History Month. Waiting for the outrage from the left. #BlackHistoryMonthMatters Speaking of Black History Month, I have not seen any mention of it at work so maybe it's gone. I'm sure this will send the left into another tizzy.
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 14:31:20 GMT -5
Trump just declared February as American Heart Month. Which is pretty damned funny to me, because typically February is Black History Month. Waiting for the outrage from the left. #BlackHistoryMonthMatters Speaking of Black History Month, I have not seen any mention of it at work so maybe it's gone. I'm sure this will send the left into another tizzy. Trump's made a big deal of BHMonth already, speaking about Fredrick Douglass, meeting with leaders, outlining plans to bring jobs and school choice to inner cities. What, CNN didn't cover that either?
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 14:33:17 GMT -5
Can you imagine a university, a higher learning center, setting fires and breaking windows and beating people unconscious because someone was invited to come speak on the ills of militant social justice warriors? Ironic, yes, but deeply fucking disturbing. T he left in 2017 looks a LOT like the right in the 1960s. I mean . . . the irony on this deeper level is absolutely profound. Sorry Baph. The right in the 1960s wasn't torching shit and committing violence. That was all the left, same as the 1930s and 20s. The only place the right is violent in America is in movies and word of mouth apocrypha Right or left may not be the appropriate term, but the race riots in the 20s (eg: Tulsa) and the tensions in the 60s seem eerily reminiscent of what's going on now with the nut bags keeping speakers off campus, setting fires, pelting police with rocks, etc. and generally just throwing an teargassing fit because societal evolution isn't going their way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 14:49:09 GMT -5
Speaking of Black History Month, I have not seen any mention of it at work so maybe it's gone. I'm sure this will send the left into another tizzy. Trump's made a big deal of BHMonth already, speaking about Fredrick Douglass, meeting with leaders, outlining plans to bring jobs and school choice to inner cities. What, CNN didn't cover that either? When you frame it that way, it's even better. Because Black History Month doesn't do a god damn thing for black people. But all that stuff he did actually does help them. So he takes away a symbolic gesture that never meant much and replaces it with a worthwhile cause WHILE also making moves to actually help. And yes, CNN did not report on it. I think Trump must've pee'd in Ted Turner's Corn Flakes in the 80's.
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 15:24:02 GMT -5
Trump's made a big deal of BHMonth already, speaking about Fredrick Douglass, meeting with leaders, outlining plans to bring jobs and school choice to inner cities. What, CNN didn't cover that either? When you frame it that way, it's even better. Because Black History Month doesn't do a god damn thing for black people. But all that stuff he did actually does help them. So he takes away a symbolic gesture that never meant much and replaces it with a worthwhile cause WHILE also making moves to actually help. And yes, CNN did not report on it. I think Trump must've pee'd in Ted Turner's Corn Flakes in the 80's. Black History month where we learn about the cotton gin or the dude who invented peanut butter? Fucking christ. How about black history month where we put 500,000 jobs back in Detroit and unveil a massive school voucher program and permanently alter the trajectory of black culture in a positive direction?
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Post by Baph on Feb 3, 2017 21:10:56 GMT -5
24 hrs later a nearly identical, slightly smaller in scale incident occurs at NYU with Gavin McInnes as the speaker this time. What a shit show.
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Post by maillesdad on Feb 3, 2017 21:41:24 GMT -5
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5893e15be4b04061313629d3?This is some huff and puff post about the background checks for firearms that we currently have in place. Something about taking out the block we have for allowing people who collect benefits for a mental disability to now be able to purchase a firearm? Maybe I should have made a new thread for this...but did this even exist in the first place? I can only recall having to check a box stating I'm not insane and have never been in the looney bin. I always felt that was rather...trusting. Obama instituted it last year - and almost every news org has misreported on it. Basically, if you received federal benefits from SSA and used a representative payee (have some one do your accounting for you), you were reported to NICs as mentally unsound - with no due process. Even the ACLU opposed it - waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ACLU.pdf. Republicans did not make it legal for those mentally disabled to own firearms nor did they do away with background checks - they just restored rights to some SSA recipients.
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Post by boboplata on Feb 4, 2017 1:19:51 GMT -5
24 hrs later a nearly identical, slightly smaller in scale incident occurs at NYU with Gavin McInnes as the speaker this time. What a shit show. Im a professor! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 1:19:53 GMT -5
Ok, I'm not trying to get back into arguments about politics, but are you guys paying attention to the reaction Trump's getting for trying to halt 100,000+ people visas for being Muslims? Are you missing that federal judges are opposing Trump's orders to revoke visas based on religion? This isn't some dumb liberals vs conservatives shit, this is the executive branch beginning to battle the judicial branch over the fucking constitution 2 weeks into Trump's presidency. This isn't ordinary politics, this is the kind of shit that people more than twice my age are saying they haven't witnessed the like of in their lifetimes. Trump is blossoming into a fascist, and within one-two year's time MAX the people who have so blindly favored Trump will realize what those who oppose him have been saying all along. This is going to come to a head FAST. I don't know what's going to happen,but within one year's time things are going to be spinning out of control. www.wsj.com/articles/legal-feud-over-trump-immigration-order-turns-to-visa-revocations-1486153216www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/01/trump_s_executive_order_is_an_unconstitutional_attack_on_muslims.html
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