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Post by Premier on Jan 20, 2017 21:02:40 GMT -5
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Post by jsporty1 on Jan 20, 2017 21:37:30 GMT -5
I loved it as well.
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Post by Baph on Jan 20, 2017 22:42:44 GMT -5
The way Trump can have a successful presidency is very simple, yet almost unimaginably difficult: he needs to do what he says.
Sure, there's some hot garbage in there. Economic protectionism being #1 on that list. The wall thing is ridiculous, too, but I would like to get a better grasp on the organization of our immigration system, which is absurd, much like all of our federally run systems.
But if he'll simply do 75% of the shit he outlined today he will have a wildly successful term. Re-examine our ridiculous foreign aid, particularly the military aid we dole out to places like Germany, Israel, Russia, and the role of the military in general, doing the dirty work for NATO and the EU while they all sit back and chill. Stop taking it in the ass on every deal we make, Iran, China, Mexico, pipelines, etc. Simplify and streamline and ease back a bit on the tax code, top to bottom. Frankly the entire federal government, top to bottom, needs to be simplified, streamlined, and and eased back. Open up healthcare for interstate competition and innovation in plan types. Ease back on some of the regulatory red tape and meddling. Just open the fucking throttle and then get out of the way.
Drain the swamp.
Stop the gravy train of insider corporate/crony/government bullshit.
Detangle and deescalate the military.
Unbridle the economy and health care.
The swamp drain project is NOT off to a good start.
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Post by Angelo on Jan 20, 2017 22:52:07 GMT -5
If he actually scales back our military like he alluding to, the savings would allow him to even pay entitlements out higher than Obama without adjusting tax rates... HAHAHAHA.
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Post by boboplata on Jan 20, 2017 23:13:24 GMT -5
Enjoy the riots.
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Post by Angelo on Jan 21, 2017 1:07:51 GMT -5
It doesn't matter who is elected if our officials don't start talking about the net-negative job creation rate because of the direction in the fastest rise in technology. The EU finally starting to recognize that they are likely going to have to implement a base negative income tax rate like Friedman foresaw coming (they must be pissed that a Conservative whose supporters they witch-hunted predicted the future). For every job being created we are losing 100+ to automation/tech efficiency.
They also need to discuss the fact that invasions are a thing of the past so there is no need for such a full-encompassing military. Only needs to be large enough to enforce international agreements, provide humanitarian support for natural disasters, and prevent genocide from insurrection.
Want to reduce the direct and indirect tax burdens of de-facto forced entitlements? Nationalize the health and education infrastructure in the US, leave the operations private.
The successful future of the US is not in anarchy (sorry Conservatives), it is not in dictatorship (sorry Liberals), it is not in Theocracy (sorry Republicans), it is not in short term flavor of the week entitlement funding/laws (sorry Democrats). It is in a hybrid system of government and private entities. Let the tax dollars build the infrastructure and let the ingenuity and drive of the people make it work.
Want to fix things? Force the burden on the people rather than the system we have now.
1. All political offices have a term limit of 4 years. 2. No amendments on anything not directly related to the core issue. Also no spending/law changes not directly related to the core of the bill. (ie: no pork or political bartering) 3. Anyone elected to office (including their spouse) must remain on the standard health care for the average citizen for 15 years, can not play the market for 8 years after leaving office. 4. Not allowed to state or allude to their religion, or political party in any speech or literature while in office or campaigning. 5. Remove insider trading information pass through protection from congressional employees. 6. Fuck Roberts Rules of Order. Streamline the process so changes can actually take place. That way for better or worse, we learn our lessons faster rather than waiting a decade for legislation to pass and start taking effect. 7. Rule exemptions for your office based on your vote. If you believe that there should be no guns, you can't have your security armed. If you believe that employees deserve full health safety benefits, you ignore the congressional exemption to labor laws. And so on....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 1:26:06 GMT -5
Those memes today though...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 1:27:21 GMT -5
It doesn't matter who is elected if our officials don't start talking about the net-negative job creation rate because of the direction in the fastest rise in technology. The EU finally starting to recognize that they are likely going to have to implement a base negative income tax rate like Friedman foresaw coming (they must be pissed that a Conservative whose supporters they witch-hunted predicted the future). For every job being created we are losing 100+ to automation/tech efficiency. They also need to discuss the fact that invasions are a thing of the past so there is no need for such a full-encompassing military. Only needs to be large enough to enforce international agreements, provide humanitarian support for natural disasters, and prevent genocide from insurrection. Want to reduce the direct and indirect tax burdens of de-facto forced entitlements? Nationalize the health and education infrastructure in the US, leave the operations private. The successful future of the US is not in anarchy (sorry Conservatives), it is not in dictatorship (sorry Liberals), it is not in Theocracy (sorry Republicans), it is not in short term flavor of the week entitlement funding/laws (sorry Democrats). It is in a hybrid system of government and private entities. Let the tax dollars build the infrastructure and let the ingenuity and drive of the people make it work. Want to fix things? Force the burden on the people rather than the system we have now. 1. All political offices have a term limit of 4 years. 2. No amendments on anything not directly related to the core issue. Also no spending/law changes not directly related to the core of the bill. (ie: no pork or political bartering) 3. Anyone elected to office (including their spouse) must remain on the standard health care for the average citizen for 15 years, can not play the market for 8 years after leaving office. 4. Not allowed to state or allude to their religion, or political party in any speech or literature while in office or campaigning. 5. Remove insider trading information pass through protection from congressional employees. 6. Fuck Roberts Rules of Order. Streamline the process so changes can actually take place. That way for better or worse, we learn our lessons faster rather than waiting a decade for legislation to pass and start taking effect. 7. Rule exemptions for your office based on your vote. If you believe that there should be no guns, you can't have your security armed. If you believe that employees deserve full health safety benefits, you ignore the congressional exemption to labor laws. And so on.... Do you live in the same world as I do? Are you on like Earth 2 or some shit?
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Post by Angelo on Jan 21, 2017 1:34:40 GMT -5
It doesn't matter who is elected if our officials don't start talking about the net-negative job creation rate because of the direction in the fastest rise in technology. The EU finally starting to recognize that they are likely going to have to implement a base negative income tax rate like Friedman foresaw coming (they must be pissed that a Conservative whose supporters they witch-hunted predicted the future). For every job being created we are losing 100+ to automation/tech efficiency. They also need to discuss the fact that invasions are a thing of the past so there is no need for such a full-encompassing military. Only needs to be large enough to enforce international agreements, provide humanitarian support for natural disasters, and prevent genocide from insurrection. Want to reduce the direct and indirect tax burdens of de-facto forced entitlements? Nationalize the health and education infrastructure in the US, leave the operations private. The successful future of the US is not in anarchy (sorry Conservatives), it is not in dictatorship (sorry Liberals), it is not in Theocracy (sorry Republicans), it is not in short term flavor of the week entitlement funding/laws (sorry Democrats). It is in a hybrid system of government and private entities. Let the tax dollars build the infrastructure and let the ingenuity and drive of the people make it work. Want to fix things? Force the burden on the people rather than the system we have now. 1. All political offices have a term limit of 4 years. 2. No amendments on anything not directly related to the core issue. Also no spending/law changes not directly related to the core of the bill. (ie: no pork or political bartering) 3. Anyone elected to office (including their spouse) must remain on the standard health care for the average citizen for 15 years, can not play the market for 8 years after leaving office. 4. Not allowed to state or allude to their religion, or political party in any speech or literature while in office or campaigning. 5. Remove insider trading information pass through protection from congressional employees. 6. Fuck Roberts Rules of Order. Streamline the process so changes can actually take place. That way for better or worse, we learn our lessons faster rather than waiting a decade for legislation to pass and start taking effect. 7. Rule exemptions for your office based on your vote. If you believe that there should be no guns, you can't have your security armed. If you believe that employees deserve full health safety benefits, you ignore the congressional exemption to labor laws. And so on.... Do you live in the same world as I do? Are you on like Earth 2 or some shit? Want to be specific about what you have an issue with? edit: Also, that 1:100 ratio may be low actually. The WEF annual risk report put the US manufacturing job loss rate due to automation at 86%. That is a market without job creation, losing jobs, and 86% of the job loss due to automation. Not exporting overseas to sweatshops, but automation.
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Post by Premier on Jan 21, 2017 1:38:28 GMT -5
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 21, 2017 7:11:34 GMT -5
It doesn't matter who is elected if our officials don't start talking about the net-negative job creation rate because of the direction in the fastest rise in technology. The EU finally starting to recognize that they are likely going to have to implement a base negative income tax rate like Friedman foresaw coming (they must be pissed that a Conservative whose supporters they witch-hunted predicted the future). For every job being created we are losing 100+ to automation/tech efficiency. They also need to discuss the fact that invasions are a thing of the past so there is no need for such a full-encompassing military. Only needs to be large enough to enforce international agreements, provide humanitarian support for natural disasters, and prevent genocide from insurrection. Want to reduce the direct and indirect tax burdens of de-facto forced entitlements? Nationalize the health and education infrastructure in the US, leave the operations private. The successful future of the US is not in anarchy (sorry Conservatives), it is not in dictatorship (sorry Liberals), it is not in Theocracy (sorry Republicans), it is not in short term flavor of the week entitlement funding/laws (sorry Democrats). It is in a hybrid system of government and private entities. Let the tax dollars build the infrastructure and let the ingenuity and drive of the people make it work. Want to fix things? Force the burden on the people rather than the system we have now. 1. All political offices have a term limit of 4 years. 2. No amendments on anything not directly related to the core issue. Also no spending/law changes not directly related to the core of the bill. (ie: no pork or political bartering) 3. Anyone elected to office (including their spouse) must remain on the standard health care for the average citizen for 15 years, can not play the market for 8 years after leaving office. 4. Not allowed to state or allude to their religion, or political party in any speech or literature while in office or campaigning. 5. Remove insider trading information pass through protection from congressional employees. 6. Fuck Roberts Rules of Order. Streamline the process so changes can actually take place. That way for better or worse, we learn our lessons faster rather than waiting a decade for legislation to pass and start taking effect. 7. Rule exemptions for your office based on your vote. If you believe that there should be no guns, you can't have your security armed. If you believe that employees deserve full health safety benefits, you ignore the congressional exemption to labor laws. And so on.... Do you live in the same world as I do? Are you on like Earth 2 or some shit? Too much space travel time between US and Canada. Must've fried his brain.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 21, 2017 10:13:59 GMT -5
Like premier, I loved the speech. I believe Trump is truly an economic populist and wants to do better for our people. The US being first and foremost his priority instead of administrations that want to police the world and solve problems 5000 miles away. His protectionist views are acceptable to me, for now, because he is attacking NAFTA and TPP and pointing out the flaws. Like norcal pointed out in an earlier thread, large corporations are already committed to keeping jobs domestic they would have other than outsourced to other countries. I'm going to be very open minded about how Trump attempts to influence the economy.
This thread is a great idea but jackel will fuck it up with his long winded, foolish, off point posts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 13:08:31 GMT -5
Im not one to gloat...and I almost feel bad...but I can't not watch the video and not laugh.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 14:00:22 GMT -5
Dude. I've watched that video at least ten times now on FB. I can't tell if that's a woman or a man. The howl at the end is absolutely hilarious, and just what I was hoping for when I voted for Trump. These special snowflakes have spent too long being told that the world was their's. Now that they aren't getting their way....those true colors coming shining through. Spoiled, pretentious, entitled. THE PARTY'S OVER SNOWFLAKES!!!!!! TIME TO GO PULL YOUR OWN FUCKING WEIGHT!
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Post by Angelo on Jan 21, 2017 14:56:55 GMT -5
Like premier, I loved the speech. I believe Trump is truly an economic populist and wants to do better for our people. The US being first and foremost his priority instead of administrations that want to police the world and solve problems 5000 miles away. His protectionist views are acceptable to me, for now, because he is attacking NAFTA and TPP and pointing out the flaws. Like norcal pointed out in an earlier thread, large corporations are already committed to keeping jobs domestic they would have other than outsourced to other countries. I'm going to be very open minded about how Trump attempts to influence the economy. This thread is a great idea but jackel will fuck it up with his long winded, foolish, off point posts. 1. He's a legit globalist, not a populist when it comes to the economy. He's just making it so it more beneficial to do your business in the US. 2. The US is third in his priority, behind himself and his family. 3. There is a lot more than economic recovery at stake. Granted that alone was the strongest reason to vote Trump over anyone else, but so far he's only been in office a day and he's dropping the ball pretty much everywhere else. His executive order regarding the ACA was all bark no bite. His nominations have nothing to do with the positions for the most part (except Mattis). Hell he already planning on expanding the IRS! 4. He's at least the only politician willing to admit that China is falling apart, and the US needs to be actively preparing for the global impact of their collapse. 5. He's yet to start a discussion or acknowledge the issues facing job creation in the modern world, and is instead focused on business creation which are not the same thing, and don't go hand in hand anymore.
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Post by Premier on Jan 21, 2017 17:04:39 GMT -5
Mods. See if there is a forum feature to ban Jackel from this thread. Lol
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Post by Angelo on Jan 21, 2017 17:18:38 GMT -5
Mods. See if there is a forum feature to ban Jackel from this thread. Lol Hey, I think Trump would be doing pretty much everything I pointed out if it weren't for Priebus
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 19:01:07 GMT -5
1. He's a legit globalist, not a populist when it comes to the economy. He's just making it so it more beneficial to do your business in the US. 2. The US is third in his priority, behind himself and his family. 3. There is a lot more than economic recovery at stake. Granted that alone was the strongest reason to vote Trump over anyone else, but so far he's only been in office a day and he's dropping the ball pretty much everywhere else. His executive order regarding the ACA was all bark no bite. His nominations have nothing to do with the positions for the most part (except Mattis). Hell he already planning on expanding the IRS! 4. He's at least the only politician willing to admit that China is falling apart, and the US needs to be actively preparing for the global impact of their collapse. 5. He's yet to start a discussion or acknowledge the issues facing job creation in the modern world, and is instead focused on business creation which are not the same thing, and don't go hand in hand anymore. 1. No, he's not. His financial disclosure documents make it pretty clear that he's not. He has to engage in business in a globalist sense because it was the most cost effective, at the time. 2. That's a farce. He's already come out and said he won't be taking vacations, family or otherwise. Seems like his ego cares more about proving himself right. If he does, he'll nail a second term, which is his real priority. He doesn't want to be the first one term President since Bush Sr. 3. You have no idea WTF you're talking about here. When you say "expanding" the IRS, what the guy actually wants is a complete staff. It is 100% NOT BULLSHIT that there have been an extreme amount of early retirements taken under the Obama administration, and these people have not been replaced. And if they are replaced, they are replaced by someone already within the organization and the position that person leaves is not refilled. The IRS has had a hiring freeze in place since 2010. That's seven years worth of attrition that has already occurred within the organization. This year, most low income families will not get their returns as quickly because the IRS doesn't have enough agents to combat the level of fraud that is occurring in the lower income brackets. Trump knows business. If your accounts receivable department can't collect, you don't make any money. Draining the swamp doesn't always mean firing people and shrinking organizations. Streamlining can involve a long term approach like the one being taken with the IRS. Older, higher salaried employees are replaced with folks who are lower on the step scale. The problem is they haven't been replacing people. My wife has had three managers retire within the last four years. The last one to retire still hasn't been replaced, which means that right now there have to be "acting managers" which is basically: You've got to do two jobs when it's your week to "act". That is not efficient. Not at all. 4. China's collapse won't be anything that can be capitalized on in a global sense by American manufacturing due to the difference between the yaun and the dollar. The only way to attack them is to shut off their economic gains from this country specificially, and the best way to do that is to tax the fuck out of their crappy products and make their sub par products cost as much as those made in America. 5. Job creation entails creating companies that produce things. They do still go hand in hand, and I don't know how in the blue hell a guy who hasn't worked in 10 years can know much about job creation, but that's just me. There are a few guys on this board who have employees, and they wouldn't have those employees if they didn't own companies and need help running them. I'm not getting into a discussion with you about this either. All he really needs to do to be successful is draw back the scope of involvement the federal government has in the day to day lives of its citizens. If he embraces states rights and seeks to limit the power of the federal government (Which is is most certainly starting to do)- that's a win.
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Post by Angelo on Jan 21, 2017 19:47:32 GMT -5
Yes he is a globalist, he wants to remove the obstacles of trade, he wants free trade, he just wants to make sure that it more beneficial to the companies to produce here. Which is brilliant and what we need. It gives both access and incentive.
But if he was going to simplify the tax code, they wouldn't need the staff they lost via the freeze.
The problem is the production side of things are able to be automated in many cases now, reducing the need for physical employees. Automation is huge and that along with more efficient production technology overall is causing a negative job creation rate. Take the regional supermarket here, their main warehouse had 190 people working there. They decided to close it and open a new warehouse that was in a better location. Instead of going the automation route (which would have dropped the employee count from 190 full-time, which actually was considered understaffed, to one full-time and 4 part-time), they decided they didn't want job loss so they just made a non-union place, which well pissed off people enough. But they didn't realize how lucky they were to still have jobs available in the first place!
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 21, 2017 20:54:36 GMT -5
As I said, Jackel will fuck up this thread like every thread. Who wants him here? Does anyone value any input he ever offers? Just ban him and send him elsewhere.
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Post by Premier on Jan 21, 2017 21:27:51 GMT -5
/ban
Jackel I think they are politely asking you to leave.
We still cool in the cooking thread though.
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Post by Angelo on Jan 21, 2017 22:36:30 GMT -5
/ban Jackel I think they are politely asking you to leave. We still cool in the cooking thread though. Eh they just don't want to think about constructive responses to actual issues in the US and instead live in and think about how the US needs to be as it affects their personal bubble. Just as bad as the SJWs. Everyone talks but nobody offers solutions with specific considerations... basically they are being a politician/SJW hybrid. They also don't seem to have reading comprehension as I actually support Trump, but think the establishment is currently limiting/manipulating him. edit: Go look at Regan's campaign, his speeches, that is our issue today. However Priebus is pushing Trump to not call for new policies but to go back to ones that can make everything worse
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 22, 2017 0:30:39 GMT -5
The person that fails are reading comprehension is your deaf, dumb ass. This thread is to EVALUATE his presidency. He's been in office one fucking day. This is NOT the place to do your usual streaming consciousness crap, nor the pie in the sky BS about what YOU think makes for a great hypothetical politician. We have all been bored by your bullshit long enough so I am asking you not to fuck up this thread. Go ahead and make up all the crap you want about trump in the other thread but no one wants it here. Okay?
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Post by Angelo on Jan 22, 2017 1:05:07 GMT -5
The person that fails are reading comprehension is your deaf, dumb ass. This thread is to EVALUATE his presidency. He's been in office one fucking day. This is NOT the place to do your usual streaming consciousness crap, nor the pie in the sky BS about what YOU think makes for a great hypothetical politician. We have all been bored by your bullshit long enough so I am asking you not to fuck up this thread. Go ahead and make up all the crap you want about trump in the other thread but no one wants it here. Okay? Okay, I have no problem with focusing on his actions rather than what should be done for this country... something I wish the people protesting could do. Can we assume his picks for cabinet positions are open to evaluation of his choices so far though? Of all his picks, only one is a good one by my opinion (Mattis, who I'm surprised you don't decry given his support for transsexuals, women, and gays in the military), and the rest are bad not only in my opinion but also by what most of this board have been clamoring for. The picks also don't fall in line with what he said he was going to do (both during the campaign and the 30 years previous). Or how about after all of Obama's shutting out the press, Trump decides to lie to them on day one? Blatantly too. What was it Ronald Regan said to congress when the economy went downhill before the recovery? Put up or Shut up? So far President Trump seems to be cowering in a corner instead, pleasing the political elite rather than doing what he promised. We are not in a position for a passive Presidency. We need him to do what he spoke of. He need to whip congress into shape, he needs to use executive orders, he needs to take action without consideration of the political costs. Hillary would have been a destructive President, it doesn't mean I want a stagnant do-nothing President. We need to go the extreme one way or the other, or have someone fix us.. not this same ole same ole under a different name.
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Post by Angelo on Jan 22, 2017 3:03:37 GMT -5
You know, I'm confused, wasn't it you OC (though granted it may have been someone else but I thought it was you) that was saying that the best thing about a Trump presidency was that his supporters would be the hardest on him? Analyzing what he does, holding him to a higher standard. Everything that a Hillary voter wouldn't do to her.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 8:51:25 GMT -5
U don't like how Trump is bullying companies to stay. Threatening to pull federal contracts etc. From what I read (very little), he cannot actually pull the contracts but the threat of losing 10% of your revenue the next time you have a contract is a pretty convincing one. Not a fan of that.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 22, 2017 10:07:45 GMT -5
U don't like how Trump is bullying companies to stay. Threatening to pull federal contracts etc. From what I read (very little), he cannot actually pull the contracts but the threat of losing 10% of your revenue the next time you have a contract is a pretty convincing one. Not a fan of that. I read he intends to alter contracting rules to include some form of an "America First" clause to allow priority for those who make products in the US or don't outsource on other contracts. Contracting rules are already extremely convoluted and we give preference to "minority owned", "woman owned", etc, so I don't see the problem. If you are a company competing to sell the Navy uniforms then every company competing for it would see in the solicitation that WHERE the uniforms are made will be a priority. They don't have to make them in the US, but it will increase their chances of winning the award. That's not bullying - it's changing the rules and everyone will have to play by them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 11:22:00 GMT -5
/ban Jackel I think they are politely asking you to leave. We still cool in the cooking thread though. Eh they just don't want to think about constructive responses to actual issues in the US and instead live in and think about how the US needs to be as it affects their personal bubble. Just as bad as the SJWs. Everyone talks but nobody offers solutions with specific considerations... basically they are being a politician/SJW hybrid. They also don't seem to have reading comprehension as I actually support Trump, but think the establishment is currently limiting/manipulating him. edit: Go look at Regan's campaign, his speeches, that is our issue today. However Priebus is pushing Trump to not call for new policies but to go back to ones that can make everything worse You are wrong. What it is is that no one wants to hear your bullshit. I bothered to read one of your posts in here and it's loaded with a bunch of false shit. Ain't no one got the time for that which is why I generally don't read your political posts. It's not about having conflicting opinions, it's the fact that your opinipm looks like something from a far left and an alt right false news combination. It's like reading the writings of someone that is so out of touch, it's pointless to try and correct you. I'm all for a ban of jackal in this thread. It will make it easier to read this thread and keep the flow of Convo going. Also will keep OC, sgm and Floyd from losing their fucking minds.
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