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Post by Baph on Jan 30, 2017 17:04:16 GMT -5
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 30, 2017 21:47:29 GMT -5
Haha. Bye Felicia.
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Post by mmaphreak on Jan 30, 2017 22:35:23 GMT -5
Got a sobering lesson on how uninformed some people are. Couple guys at work were talking about Trump. Apparently he had just wrote up some executive order, that I hadn't head about yet, because honestly, who could keep up with all of the executive orders this guy was spitting out last week This one was about abortion, so I asked what was it. They said he signed an executive order banning abortion.........wait....WHAT?? No he didn't. Yes he did, they said. HOW??? I asked? It was an exective ord...NO, I interrupted, how could he do that without it being like, the biggest fucking news story of the past 15-20 years??? They both seemed confused by this question. I said guys, there's no way he did that. No fucking way. It would be everywhere. People would be rioting in the streets. I then had to look it up myself. Turns out he signed an order to stop funding for non-government entities that supply abortions in foreign countries. Presumably poor ones that need help with such a thing, to try and keep down the number of unwanted children that are born in to poverty and starvation. Something I'm sure is still not that popular with a lot of folks, but not even in the same stratosphere as banning abortion in the U.S, as far as what the reaction would be and the sort of blow back that would cause Honestly had a hard time getting the thought out of my head for the rest of the day, that not only did these guys think that, but that they didn't even get what that would have truly meant. Some people, man.......yeesh That sort of behavior is rampant. Not rampant in liberals or conservatives or advocates of different martial arts disciplines or film genres, but in human fucking beings, period. Enthusiastic confirmation bias, narrative building, creating a purpose, creating a monster, against which we must fight, against which my life takes on incredible meaning and importance. Trump is physically, legally, culturally incapable of banning abortion. You're exactly right -- it would be the story of the century, widespread riots, absolute pandemonium. Furthermore, it's just not possible. That's a SCOTUS reversal with likely severe arbitration and push back from states and a multi-month media frenzy. Deciding US tax dollars are no longer going to pay for abortions in Somalia? Yeah, well, that's a slightly different issue. If you want to donate to abortion clinics in Somalia you are still free to do so. Those who can secure abortive services in Somalia are still free to do so. But it won't be mandatory taken out of my paycheck. Hopefully life will fucking go on. Now, don't let that fucking stop you from setting the building on fire because your friend on FB just posted something about a Muslim ban. This, this, and this. The riots, er i mean demonstrations, in oakland and berkeley? not a bunch of black or mexican kids. it's almost all white, berkeley students. wannabe hippies that want to be able to tell their kids someday that they participated in anti-trump demonstrations. me? i love it. all these idiots are the reason trump was elected. i love the biased, liberal, mainstream media. CNN, MSNBC? keep up the good work. you're doing the conservative's job for them. i love it when snowflakes take to the street to "protest" the latest trump happenings. the working class of this country see that shit and turn out in record numbers at the polls. unless trump totally shits the bed, which is entirely possible, all these fools are guaranteeing him a second term.
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Post by Baph on Jan 31, 2017 2:04:50 GMT -5
Remember when Bill Clinton sent armed feds in to kick doors down and deport a screaming, frightened 12 yr old back to Mexico? Elian Gonzales. Remember when Bill Clinton deported illegals and supported expanding the border wall? Remember when Hillary Clinton supported expanding the border wall TWICE, once just 5 yrs ago? Remember when Bill Clinton put more people in jail for marijuana than any person in history? Remember when Bill Clinton killed everyone at Ruby Ridge and Waco? Remember when FDR, Carter, and Obama all put a freeze on immigration over terror concerns? Remember when Obama spent 8 fucking years bombing the hell out of the whole region and running guns into war zones helping to create these refugees in the first place? Remember when they called Obama the "deporter in chief" due to his near record deportation rates? Remember when every country in the region refused to take these refugees over terror concerns, so they had to be shipped to Australia and Germany and France where they over ran the place, raped in the streets, and turned the slums into "no go" zones?
Of course you don't, you fucking buffoon. Because that shit was off limits. Blue team go, blue team go. Some weird shit, man.
You sound like a fucking asshole right now, with your fucking feel good virtue signaling bullshit. You're like a child that wanders in half way through a movie and wants to know why . . . also, Donnie, Asian-American, please.
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Post by Angelo on Jan 31, 2017 2:15:48 GMT -5
Yeah well people like to turn a blind eye, on both sides though. Democrats to the fact their Presidents did the same, Republicans to the fact the economic gain from them outweighed the cost. The strain on our system isn't from immigrants, it from the way the system is built.
Trump has three things left to do before he winds up being the best long-term president in history.
1. Fixing the tax code. 2. Finally acknowledging both the permanent job creation rate, and the effect of technology on the job market. (40k jobs sounds great till you realize in less than 18 months only 35 jobs remain half of which of foreign) 3. Transparency of "black-ops" spending.
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Post by MMAJim on Jan 31, 2017 11:19:31 GMT -5
I basically side with Paul Ryan's statements today. Some of the delivery of Trump's actions so far have been regrettable. Some of the orders are a bit of grandstanding which I don't think is tactically sound and some, in my opinion, won't really directly help achieve the actual goals that are touted by the action. There are functional and tactical flaws, the general defense is that you have to start somewhere, which I skeptically accept. Regarding travel restrictions, frankly, if you really think that a temporary ban functionally protected our interests, how could it possibly be that limited? If it was functionally absolutely necessary the list should include 20 more countries. If the list was designed to be politically functional (ie don't include Saudi Arabi) then its just a modest variation of same old same old politics.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 31, 2017 16:07:57 GMT -5
bluelivesmatter.blue/seattle-black-lives-matter-preschool-teacher/Published on Jan 30, 2017 (Daily Caller) January 30, 2017 - During an anti-Trump protest in Seattle this weekend, an activist associated with the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement took to the megaphone to voice her support for, among other things, “killing people,” and “killing the White House.” While she said that, another protester can be heard saying, “Burn it!” She also says, “White people, give your fucking money, your fucking house, your fucking property, we need it fucking all,” as another protester responds “reparations!” “Fuck white supremacy, fuck the U.S. empire, fuck your imperialist ass lives. That shit gotta go.” At 1:50 in the video clip, she goes, “And we need to start killing people. First off, we need to start killing the White House. The White House must die. The White House, your fucking White House, your fucking Presidents, they must go! Fuck the White House.” “Pay the fuck up, pay the fuck up. It ain’t just your fucking time, its your fucking money, and now your fucking life is devoted to social change,” she said. While speaking, she was wearing a jacket that said “Black Lives Matter” on the back. According to the channel that uploaded the clip to YouTube, the activist saying these things is a teacher. www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyZ1RUbCzhc
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Post by Fasthands25 on Jan 31, 2017 17:19:11 GMT -5
bluelivesmatter.blue/seattle-black-lives-matter-preschool-teacher/Published on Jan 30, 2017 (Daily Caller) January 30, 2017 - During an anti-Trump protest in Seattle this weekend, an activist associated with the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement took to the megaphone to voice her support for, among other things, “killing people,” and “killing the White House.” While she said that, another protester can be heard saying, “Burn it!” She also says, “White people, give your fucking money, your fucking house, your fucking property, we need it fucking all,” as another protester responds “reparations!” “Fuck white supremacy, fuck the U.S. empire, fuck your imperialist ass lives. That shit gotta go.” At 1:50 in the video clip, she goes, “And we need to start killing people. First off, we need to start killing the White House. The White House must die. The White House, your fucking White House, your fucking Presidents, they must go! Fuck the White House.” “Pay the fuck up, pay the fuck up. It ain’t just your fucking time, its your fucking money, and now your fucking life is devoted to social change,” she said. While speaking, she was wearing a jacket that said “Black Lives Matter” on the back. According to the channel that uploaded the clip to YouTube, the activist saying these things is a teacher. www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyZ1RUbCzhc These people think they can get away with this shit. Watch em get arrested and scream "RACISM!!!!!!"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 20:12:48 GMT -5
I basically side with Paul Ryan's statements today. Some of the delivery of Trump's actions so far have been regrettable. Some of the orders are a bit of grandstanding which I don't think is tactically sound and some, in my opinion, won't really directly help achieve the actual goals that are touted by the action. There are functional and tactical flaws, the general defense is that you have to start somewhere, which I skeptically accept. Regarding travel restrictions, frankly, if you really think that a temporary ban functionally protected our interests, how could it possibly be that limited? If it was functionally absolutely necessary the list should include 20 more countries. If the list was designed to be politically functional (ie don't include Saudi Arabi) then its just a modest variation of same old same old politics. We are so used to calculated political moves that only serve re-election and continual streams of donations, that what he is doing seems knee-jerk, brash, un-calculated and irrational.... kinda like his campaign which everyone said was unorganized and a failed plan. Give him some time to settle in with these policies before writing them off. On the travel ban... I agree that more countries should be included, however if shitheads from Saudi Arabia see what is going on right now... they are going to steer clear of the USA until the focus is off of them. This to me is more of a warning than meant to be the resolution. Up until know we have been so lax in our screening that people just came here and did what they want. By implementing this policy it shows the world that we are no longer going to be passive with our borders and airports.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 0:33:34 GMT -5
bluelivesmatter.blue/seattle-black-lives-matter-preschool-teacher/Published on Jan 30, 2017 (Daily Caller) January 30, 2017 - During an anti-Trump protest in Seattle this weekend, an activist associated with the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement took to the megaphone to voice her support for, among other things, “killing people,” and “killing the White House.” While she said that, another protester can be heard saying, “Burn it!” She also says, “White people, give your fucking money, your fucking house, your fucking property, we need it fucking all,” as another protester responds “reparations!” “Fuck white supremacy, fuck the U.S. empire, fuck your imperialist ass lives. That shit gotta go.” At 1:50 in the video clip, she goes, “And we need to start killing people. First off, we need to start killing the White House. The White House must die. The White House, your fucking White House, your fucking Presidents, they must go! Fuck the White House.” “Pay the fuck up, pay the fuck up. It ain’t just your fucking time, its your fucking money, and now your fucking life is devoted to social change,” she said. While speaking, she was wearing a jacket that said “Black Lives Matter” on the back. According to the channel that uploaded the clip to YouTube, the activist saying these things is a teacher. www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyZ1RUbCzhc I have to chuckle at this but at the same time...where does this end?
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Post by Angelo on Feb 1, 2017 0:54:05 GMT -5
If Trump was serious about the purpose of the ban, Saudi Arabia would be on that list. This was a political move through and through, that has so far caused more issues than it claims to be solving. Not to mention, he isn't really banning them as he's still approving 800 something + a day exemptions. That's almost 3x the amount Obama was.
I'm very interested in how his SCOTUS nomination gonna turn out. Not only is this nomination his first broken campaign promise, but could be a slap in the face to the police.
I'm still waiting on the order to close the carry over and other tax loopholes.
Also, has anyone here ever remembered the country being so unapathetic over politics before? The midterms are gonna be hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 2:37:33 GMT -5
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 1, 2017 12:47:12 GMT -5
We are so used to calculated political moves that only serve re-election and continual streams of donations, that what he is doing seems knee-jerk, brash, un-calculated and irrational.... kinda like his campaign which everyone said was unorganized and a failed plan. Give him some time to settle in with these policies before writing them off. I will definitely give some more time for these moves to marinate and you're right about settling in. We should expect an improvement on delivery on executive orders and other actions.
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Post by matt on Feb 1, 2017 13:51:49 GMT -5
Remember when a handful of angry moose limbs supposedly blew up 3 US skyscrapers?
Well, those dudes were from Saudi Arabia and UAE. Interestingly, neither of those two countries are on the temp travel restriction.
I haven't read up on why, I'm sure Angelo will know... but I personally find that to be a funny coincidence.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Feb 1, 2017 14:09:59 GMT -5
Saudi Arabia plays by their own rules. On 9-11 when no one was allowed to fly, they got on their private jets and flew home.
It's like the US is scared to deal with Saudi Arabia... They only pick on the shít hole Muslim countries.
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Post by Canuklehead on Feb 1, 2017 14:13:24 GMT -5
Remember when a a handful of angry moose limbs supposedly blew up 3 US skyscrapers? Well, those dudes were from Saudi Arabia and UAE, interestingly neither of those two countries are on the temp travel restriction. I haven't read up on why, I'm sure Angelo will know... but I personally find that to be a funny coincidence. Because they donate gigantic amounts of money in various ways to the American government, wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds you. SA, UAE, Qatar and Jordan among others fund the wars that have made the people in these countries refugees in the first place. As someone else said, banning these countries would go a lot further to what Trump is actually trying to accomplish I think. Also interesting to note, Qatar and all the other Gulf Nations have had a complete ban on immigration/refugees from Syria, Palestine, Libya, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen and Sudan for over 6 years, not sure if Iran is also on that list. Is that a #muslimban???
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Post by matt on Feb 1, 2017 14:34:41 GMT -5
If you smmmmeeeeellll...
Yep. Also, check out how much cash Saudi Arabia donated to hilrods election campaign fund. I'm not sure the legality of that large donation , either. But, you know who doesn't care one way or the other? The fbi. No, Johnny Utah is no longer an FBI agent... or else he might investigate this mystery.
The reason why trumps travel ban seems so hasty, and the reason why it doesn't include Saudi Arabia, is because this isn't trump's travel ban. It was written by Obama or bush. Trump just activated an already exisiting travel precaution.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 14:51:10 GMT -5
What id like to see next is our jails flushed out. If you are not here legally and are in there for any kind of crime where there is a victim...tossed out.
There are plenty of people that would love the opportunity to be here that have no intention to commit crimes.
I do feel that the people who were stuck at the airport...that was uneeded. Just let them in and let all further flights know so no one gets stuck.
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Post by PatSox on Feb 1, 2017 16:28:34 GMT -5
We should ban bans
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Post by Baph on Feb 1, 2017 22:41:49 GMT -5
After seeing what large scale refugee import has done to Holland, Sweden, France, and Germany I have no goddamned clue why people are giddy to take a bite of this shit burger. Mind boggling.
Nobody has done this without putrid repercussions.
Weird.
And why THESE refugees? Why now? There are 65 MILLION refugees in the world. But we need THESE refugees because . . . well . . . why, exactly? Because they're Arab and rapey and won't assimilate and have a proven track record of forming segregated slums inside the host nation and engaging in widespread sexual assault. Yeah, sign me the fuck up. Why do you think Saudi won't take them? Why is Jordan having fits with them? Even culturally similar, language sharing nations are avoiding or having great difficulty with this . . . but yeah, let's put them in fucking Kansas. And then pretend to cry when someone puts a 90-day freeze on it so we can get organized. Did you cry when Obama put a 120-day ban on Iraqi immigrants, you fucking clown? Literal LOL.
Things to keep in mind while discussing the "Muslim ban":
We took in thousands of refugees THIS WEEK. We will take in record numbers of refugees THIS YEAR. 70% of the global Muslim population is free to travel to the US without restriction. Only countries without functional governments previously identified by Obama and congress as exceptional risks are included in the travel freeze. Obama, Clinton, Carter, and FDR have all imposed similar freezes during times of conflict, but neither you nor the media cared about those. Because you're an asshole.
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Post by Baph on Feb 1, 2017 22:54:54 GMT -5
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Post by Baph on Feb 2, 2017 0:59:19 GMT -5
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Post by Angelo on Feb 2, 2017 1:00:14 GMT -5
and nobody is pointing out that even with the restrictions in place he's still deciding to bring in like 3x the refugees per day that Obama was from those 7 states?
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Post by Baph on Feb 2, 2017 1:20:12 GMT -5
Careful observers of history will be forced to conclude in time that Obama labored under the greatest "free pass" in modern political history.
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Post by PatSox on Feb 2, 2017 7:31:04 GMT -5
All this revisiting of Obama's decisions on immigrant bans and drone strikes and other military actions and wondering why the double standard...........Because, Republicans for years made Obama out to be this Islamic sympathizer who would doom us all with his dangerous far left way of thinking. Some even went another way and tried to make him out to be a secret Islamic extremist. Or even an illigal immigrant himself. Remember the whole birth certificate thing? Trump was ALL OVER that one
That was the card right wingers played. So left wingers took the equally ridiculous stance that he's just more accepting and peace loving and inclusive than all you mean old angry white racist republicans are. And you're laughing now at that last sentence. You should.....almost. Because you blew your chance to attack him for the war crime and anti-immigration stuff, not once, but twice. First when you accused him of being just the opposite and tried using that as the platform on which he was unfit to be the president. And second, when you adopted the whole whatever it takes, blow the Islamic extremists to bits, fuck all these immigrants, attitude now that it's your guy saying it
I'm not even telling you if I think you're wrong, or not, on these stances. I'm saying it rings just as hollow for Republicans flip flopping on what's good and bad, based on who's side is pushing it, as it does for democrats who are doing the same. It's so phony and unfortunately it's never going away, because THAT is exactly what politics are about. Picking and choosing what ever works for you at the time. Whatever it takes to make your side seem right and the other side seem wrong. I always say if you had a time machine and could go back and take two candidates and flipped the platforms they ran on, the staunch partisan party people would sing a completely different tune based soley on that. And it's playing out perfectly now with people's attitudes towards Obama and Trump
Both sides proving how COMPLETELY full of shit they are
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 7:36:36 GMT -5
Careful observers of history will be forced to conclude in time that Obama labored under the greatest "free pass" in modern political history. You mean kinda like his mysterious, nebulously documented academic career, where he was named the editor of the Harvard Law Review when he couldn't write a decent legal brief to save his life?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 11:52:40 GMT -5
They set Berkeley on fire last night in response to Milo having an event there.
These fucking morons must really want Trump to have a solid 8 years in office. I want to start seeing videos of the liberals getting the shit kicked out of them for a change. Or, better yet, they cut the shit and no one takes any more beatings.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 12:16:41 GMT -5
They set Berkeley on fire last night in response to Milo having an event there. These fucking morons must really want Trump to have a solid 8 years in office. I want to start seeing videos of the liberals getting the shit kicked out of them for a change. Or, better yet, they cut the shit and no one takes any more beatings. Imagine that...a gay friendly city...perhaps one of the friendliest...protests over an openly gay European being able to speak. Sort of feels like only one side thinks they have use of the 1st amendment.
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Post by matt on Feb 2, 2017 12:36:56 GMT -5
All this revisiting of Obama's decisions on immigrant bans and drone strikes and other military actions and wondering why the double standard...........Because, Republicans for years made Obama out to be this Islamic sympathizer who would doom us all with his dangerous far left way of thinking. Some even went another way and tried to make him out to be a secret Islamic extremist. Or even an illigal immigrant himself. Remember the whole birth certificate thing? Trump was ALL OVER that one That was the card right wingers played. So left wingers took the equally ridiculous stance that he's just more accepting and peace loving and inclusive than all you mean old angry white racist republicans are. And you're laughing now at that last sentence. You should.....almost. Because you blew your chance to attack him for the war crime and anti-immigration stuff, not once, but twice. First when you accused him of being just the opposite and tried using that as the platform on which he was unfit to be the president. And second, when you adopted the whole whatever it takes, blow the Islamic extremists to bits, fuck all these immigrants, attitude now that it's your guy saying it I'm not even telling you if I think you're wrong, or not, on these stances. I'm saying it rings just as hollow for Republicans flip flopping on what's good and bad, based on who's side is pushing it, as it does for democrats who are doing the same. It's so phony and unfortunately it's never going away, because THAT is exactly what politics are about. Picking and choosing what ever works for you at the time. Whatever it takes to make your side seem right and the other side seem wrong. I always say if you had a time machine and could go back and take two candidates and flipped the platforms they ran on, the staunch partisan party people would sing a completely different tune based soley on that. And it's playing out perfectly now with people's attitudes towards Obama and Trump Both sides proving how COMPLETELY full of shit they are Holy shit I didn't realize that you are actually lena dunham in real life!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 14:35:03 GMT -5
They set Berkeley on fire last night in response to Milo having an event there. These fucking morons must really want Trump to have a solid 8 years in office. I want to start seeing videos of the liberals getting the shit kicked out of them for a change. Or, better yet, they cut the shit and no one takes any more beatings. They are so fucking stupid it is laughable and scary. These idiots who don't have jobs (otherwise you couldn't protest on a Wednesday) are nothing but worthless leeches on our Country. I seriously hope this is what it takes for many independents to see the worthlessness of the liberal movement, and permanently move over to the side of non-nanny state politics. Safety nets, participation trophy's, no spanking, and lowered expectations have bred this generation of worthlessness.
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