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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 11:17:56 GMT -5
No need to make any contributions Vale. Glad you remembered, but not necessary at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 11:21:35 GMT -5
No need to make any contributions Vale. Glad you remembered, but not necessary at all. A bet is a bet and I intend on donating my friend. I claimed the wall wouldn't be started. This dude isnt playing around and is right on top of what he claimed he would do in his contract with the American voter. I'm actually impressed. I can't recall ever seeing a person actually do what they said they would do when they get that position
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 11:24:27 GMT -5
Pretty prominent name in the women's anti abortion march Donna Hylton, was arrested in 1985 for kidnapping and torturing to death a 62 year old homosexual. During the torture, they squeezed his balls with pliers and rammed a 3 foot metal rod up his ass. One of them later dismissed it saying "he was a homo". Libs...check your leaders bruh. www.donnahylton.com/donna-hyltonAnd her site talks openly about it. It's sickening. So I sent an email to this site yesterday asking if Donna would be willing to come talk to a bunch of democrats, many of them homosexual, so she can explain why she felt it was OK to put a 3 foot metal pipe up some older guys rear end. The response I got was priceless. Something about how cyber bullYong will be reported to the fbi and some nonsense. I never once swore or was even threatening. I'll copy and paste the response.
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Post by boboplata on Jan 28, 2017 12:03:56 GMT -5
Pretty prominent name in the women's anti abortion march Donna Hylton, was arrested in 1985 for kidnapping and torturing to death a 62 year old homosexual. During the torture, they squeezed his balls with pliers and rammed a 3 foot metal rod up his ass. One of them later dismissed it saying "he was a homo". Libs...check your leaders bruh. www.donnahylton.com/donna-hyltonAnd her site talks openly about it. It's sickening. So I sent an email to this site yesterday asking if Donna would be willing to come talk to a bunch of democrats, many of them homosexual, so she can explain why she felt it was OK to put a 3 foot metal pipe up some older guys rear end. The response I got was priceless. Something about how cyber bullYong will be reported to the fbi and some nonsense. I never once swore or was even threatening. I'll copy and paste the response. Can you screenshot and post them on fb?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 12:48:30 GMT -5
No need to make any contributions Vale. Glad you remembered, but not necessary at all. A bet is a bet and I intend on donating my friend. I claimed the wall wouldn't be started. This dude isnt playing around and is right on top of what he claimed he would do in his contract with the American voter. I'm actually impressed. I can't recall ever seeing a person actually do what they said they would do when they get that position. www.alzfdn.org/ContributetoAFA/makeadonation.htmlYou're a good dude E.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 23:46:25 GMT -5
I still hear talk that the wall is a Longshot. He doesn't have the funds anf it will take time to get the property rights.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 0:41:40 GMT -5
So I sent an email to this site yesterday asking if Donna would be willing to come talk to a bunch of democrats, many of them homosexual, so she can explain why she felt it was OK to put a 3 foot metal pipe up some older guys rear end. The response I got was priceless. Something about how cyber bullYong will be reported to the fbi and some nonsense. I never once swore or was even threatening. I'll copy and paste the response. Can you screenshot and post them on fb? I could, but what's the point?
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Post by Angelo on Jan 29, 2017 0:48:20 GMT -5
I still hear talk that the wall is a Longshot. He doesn't have the funds anf it will take time to get the property rights. Something like 750m/yr upkeep, 15b to build (if lucky), and that not even counting the time needed which is something like 2yrs at best for planning and getting property rights and another 4 years to build if nothing goes wrong with normal staffing. However as have been pointed out, they don't have enough people qualified at the price the government will be paying to keep a normal staff. So even in a best case scenario, it'll be going into the next term. Honestly if he was serious about stopping people from getting in from the border, he'd go Obama's drone-loving route and set up a restricted land inside the US border over the barren underpopulated areas, have automated drones blow the hell out of anyone they spot in the area. Then do the walls in the populated areas. Cheaper, faster, and multitudes more effective.
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Post by boboplata on Jan 29, 2017 1:51:21 GMT -5
Can you screenshot and post them on fb? I could, but what's the point? More exposure and rustling more liberal jimmies, i guess.
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Post by Baph on Jan 29, 2017 2:07:39 GMT -5
Really wish the wall thing would have shaken out differently. It's a terrible idea. Terrible optics, as they say in media. Becomes a symbol and a galvanizing issue for the sjw's. And it's not efficient or effective at it's stated purpose.
The wall is a metaphor for a secure, organized border and a wholesale revamp of our immigration policy. Drone tech. Night vision. Manpower. Streamlined legal immigration and work visas. Better oversight and screening. Yes, no problem, fire at will, and it's immediate (almost), cost effective, and nimble. That is how you "wall".
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Post by Angelo on Jan 29, 2017 2:18:43 GMT -5
Really wish the wall thing would have shaken out differently. It's a terrible idea. Terrible optics, as they say in media. Becomes a symbol and a galvanizing issue for the sjw's. And it's not efficient or effective at it's stated purpose. The wall is a metaphor for a secure, organized border and a wholesale revamp of our immigration policy. Drone tech. Night vision. Manpower. Streamlined legal immigration and work visas. Better oversight and screening. Yes, no problem, fire at will, and it's immediate (almost), cost effective, and nimble. That is how you "wall". But.. but... that is logical and defies party lines, so how could it ever be? What made Trump exciting from a political perspective was that he wasn't either party, he realized that no single party has the answer on any single issue that you need to merge ideas. He's done a great job of that in some areas, and in other areas he's obviously planning his retirement.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 2:36:10 GMT -5
Really wish the wall thing would have shaken out differently. It's a terrible idea. Terrible optics, as they say in media. Becomes a symbol and a galvanizing issue for the sjw's. And it's not efficient or effective at it's stated purpose. The wall is a metaphor for a secure, organized border and a wholesale revamp of our immigration policy. Drone tech. Night vision. Manpower. Streamlined legal immigration and work visas. Better oversight and screening. Yes, no problem, fire at will, and it's immediate (almost), cost effective, and nimble. That is how you "wall". People shit their pants when a cop shoots a black dude that is beating the fuck out of them. What do you think they would do if you shot a beaner for trespassing?
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Post by Angelo on Jan 29, 2017 6:08:14 GMT -5
But honestly, Trump is letting the party boss him around on his policy. He should do what he alluded to for the last 30 years. Stations similar to Ellis Island was. Get to them, go through the process then cleared. Anyone who doesn't, bam you gone. Set that up, as in the spirit of America, and you can much much more easily weed out the criminals and the risk element.
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Post by Baph on Jan 29, 2017 11:19:29 GMT -5
So the new thing is this:
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Put that nonsensical quote on your social media and then pretend you're morally superior to everyone else. Pretend you understand the sheer logistical and numerical scale of what's going on here. Pretend there's nowhere on the planet for a fucking Syrian hobo to escape to except a country 4,000 miles away with a radically different culture, language, economy, and legal system where integration will be expensive and difficult. Then you pretend that people concerned with the immigration blow-back happening now in UK, France, Germany, et al are simply racist and not soberly looking at immigration from Islamic nations as a particularly troublesome issue of late, worthy of additional scrutiny. Finish by quoting some bible verse implying that a true Christian would take a Syrian refugee into their home, even though the world is over run with refugees from South America, Africa, Asia, and Syria is just one hot spot that's currently trending.
Nobody has a right to enter any country. Nobody has a right to be transported to the opposite side of the globe on our dime, when there are vastly better options for refuge in the region that share a language and social norms which will make integration vastly simpler and more successful for all parties involved. And I don't remember signing up to be the dumping ground for the wretched refuse of the world, indefinitely, with no regard to scrutiny or security. This is fucking dumb.
All these deaf, dumb, mute liberals suddenly revived to full faculties on day 6 of Trump's presidency after an 8 year coma of drone rape, gun running, red lines in the sand, and military malaise.
Hey, immigration zealots . . . did Obama put a similar freeze on Iraqi immigration in 2011 during a tense couple of months for similar reasons?
Spoiler alert: you didn't even know about that one because the sycophant media didn't spoon feed you outrage during the Obama terms. Follow-up spoiler alert: you're an asshole.
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Post by PatSox on Jan 29, 2017 17:53:31 GMT -5
Got a sobering lesson on how uninformed some people are. Couple guys at work were talking about Trump. Apparently he had just wrote up some executive order, that I hadn't head about yet, because honestly, who could keep up with all of the executive orders this guy was spitting out last week
This one was about abortion, so I asked what was it. They said he signed an executive order banning abortion.........wait....WHAT?? No he didn't. Yes he did, they said. HOW??? I asked? It was an exective ord...NO, I interrupted, how could he do that without it being like, the biggest fucking news story of the past 15-20 years???
They both seemed confused by this question. I said guys, there's no way he did that. No fucking way. It would be everywhere. People would be rioting in the streets. I then had to look it up myself. Turns out he signed an order to stop funding for non-government entities that supply abortions in foreign countries. Presumably poor ones that need help with such a thing, to try and keep down the number of unwanted children that are born in to poverty and starvation. Something I'm sure is still not that popular with a lot of folks, but not even in the same stratosphere as banning abortion in the U.S, as far as what the reaction would be and the sort of blow back that would cause
Honestly had a hard time getting the thought out of my head for the rest of the day, that not only did these guys think that, but that they didn't even get what that would have truly meant. Some people, man.......yeesh
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Post by Premier on Jan 29, 2017 18:23:25 GMT -5
Really wish the wall thing would have shaken out differently. It's a terrible idea. Terrible optics, as they say in media. Becomes a symbol and a galvanizing issue for the sjw's. And it's not efficient or effective at it's stated purpose. The wall is a metaphor for a secure, organized border and a wholesale revamp of our immigration policy. Drone tech. Night vision. Manpower. Streamlined legal immigration and work visas. Better oversight and screening. Yes, no problem, fire at will, and it's immediate (almost), cost effective, and nimble. That is how you "wall". The wall is never going to work out. First is the immense cost, the terrain issues where the border goes over mountains and I think i read somewhere that part of the border crosses native american and private owned land. That said, Im glad Trump is going forward with it. At the very least we will get more fencing and a combination of high tech security options.
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Post by Baph on Jan 29, 2017 18:28:59 GMT -5
Got a sobering lesson on how uninformed some people are. Couple guys at work were talking about Trump. Apparently he had just wrote up some executive order, that I hadn't head about yet, because honestly, who could keep up with all of the executive orders this guy was spitting out last week This one was about abortion, so I asked what was it. They said he signed an executive order banning abortion.........wait....WHAT?? No he didn't. Yes he did, they said. HOW??? I asked? It was an exective ord...NO, I interrupted, how could he do that without it being like, the biggest fucking news story of the past 15-20 years??? They both seemed confused by this question. I said guys, there's no way he did that. No fucking way. It would be everywhere. People would be rioting in the streets. I then had to look it up myself. Turns out he signed an order to stop funding for non-government entities that supply abortions in foreign countries. Presumably poor ones that need help with such a thing, to try and keep down the number of unwanted children that are born in to poverty and starvation. Something I'm sure is still not that popular with a lot of folks, but not even in the same stratosphere as banning abortion in the U.S, as far as what the reaction would be and the sort of blow back that would cause Honestly had a hard time getting the thought out of my head for the rest of the day, that not only did these guys think that, but that they didn't even get what that would have truly meant. Some people, man.......yeesh That sort of behavior is rampant. Not rampant in liberals or conservatives or advocates of different martial arts disciplines or film genres, but in human fucking beings, period. Enthusiastic confirmation bias, narrative building, creating a purpose, creating a monster, against which we must fight, against which my life takes on incredible meaning and importance. Trump is physically, legally, culturally incapable of banning abortion. You're exactly right -- it would be the story of the century, widespread riots, absolute pandemonium. Furthermore, it's just not possible. That's a SCOTUS reversal with likely severe arbitration and push back from states and a multi-month media frenzy. Deciding US tax dollars are no longer going to pay for abortions in Somalia? Yeah, well, that's a slightly different issue. If you want to donate to abortion clinics in Somalia you are still free to do so. Those who can secure abortive services in Somalia are still free to do so. But it won't be mandatory taken out of my paycheck. Hopefully life will fucking go on. Now, don't let that fucking stop you from setting the building on fire because your friend on FB just posted something about a Muslim ban.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 18:31:22 GMT -5
Got a sobering lesson on how uninformed some people are. Couple guys at work were talking about Trump. Apparently he had just wrote up some executive order, that I hadn't head about yet, because honestly, who could keep up with all of the executive orders this guy was spitting out last week This one was about abortion, so I asked what was it. They said he signed an executive order banning abortion.........wait....WHAT?? No he didn't. Yes he did, they said. HOW??? I asked? It was an exective ord...NO, I interrupted, how could he do that without it being like, the biggest fucking news story of the past 15-20 years??? They both seemed confused by this question. I said guys, there's no way he did that. No fucking way. It would be everywhere. People would be rioting in the streets. I then had to look it up myself. Turns out he signed an order to stop funding for non-government entities that supply abortions in foreign countries. Presumably poor ones that need help with such a thing, to try and keep down the number of unwanted children that are born in to poverty and starvation. Something I'm sure is still not that popular with a lot of folks, but not even in the same stratosphere as banning abortion in the U.S, as far as what the reaction would be and the sort of blow back that would cause Honestly had a hard time getting the thought out of my head for the rest of the day, that not only did these guys think that, but that they didn't even get what that would have truly meant. Some people, man.......yeesh It's a problem because people are getting all these things confused. Trump stopped giving money to foreign countries to support their abortion clinics. But Steve King from Iowa has put forth a bill in Congress that will cause any doctor who performs an abortion on a woman with a fetus that has a heartbeat to be prosecuted for murder. HR 490. Nothing to do with Trump at all. Just some moron who wants to be the most famous Steve King in the world.
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Post by Baph on Jan 29, 2017 18:41:15 GMT -5
Really wish the wall thing would have shaken out differently. It's a terrible idea. Terrible optics, as they say in media. Becomes a symbol and a galvanizing issue for the sjw's. And it's not efficient or effective at it's stated purpose. The wall is a metaphor for a secure, organized border and a wholesale revamp of our immigration policy. Drone tech. Night vision. Manpower. Streamlined legal immigration and work visas. Better oversight and screening. Yes, no problem, fire at will, and it's immediate (almost), cost effective, and nimble. That is how you "wall". The wall is never going to work out. First is the immense cost, the terrain issues where the border goes over mountains and I think i read somewhere that part of the border crosses native american and private owned land. That said, Im glad Trump is going forward with it. At the very least we will get more fencing and a combination of high tech security options. Yeah, but I wish he'd just say this. There isn't going to be a "Great Wall of China" on the Mexican/American border. Nor does there need to be. Only specific portions are passable on foot, and a combination of manpower, drone tech, UV and night vision surveillance will cover the rest. In conjunction with this, LEGAL immigration is going to be aggressively streamlined and work visas will be revamped as well, because right now it's easier to do it the wrong way than it is to play by the rules, like . . . a lot easier . . . and that's part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 18:49:26 GMT -5
I have a buddy who went to work for Border Patrol after serving in The Navy. He took a bullet on the Mexican border. I asked him what his thoughts were on the wall, and this is what he said:
So a guy who's been there and taken one for the team says it's a good idea....
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Post by matt on Jan 29, 2017 19:44:23 GMT -5
I'd say yes, use common sense. Put a wall up in existing areas where it's easy to pass through on foot. if there's a natural border, well, obviously we won't have to put a wall on that portion. Any and all measures should be taken. A wall might seem silly when you have laser beams and helicopters, but stores and houses still use them because they are indeed effective...
Honor yourself, before you can expect others to honor you...Put up the God damn wall, Trump.
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Post by Baph on Jan 29, 2017 19:52:19 GMT -5
Muslim ban does not affect 7 of the 8 largest Muslim countries on Earth, and a further 40 Muslim countries in total, focusing only on a small group of unstable, ISIS-rich nations, and those only temporarily. Will also impact citizens and green card holders who travel to and from (especially repeatedly to and from) these regions, with greater scrutiny. The religion of said citizens, green card holders, and immigrants is not mentioned in the ban and immigration from 85% of the Muslim nations on Earth remains unchanged.
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Post by boboplata on Jan 29, 2017 22:36:37 GMT -5
Muslim ban does not affect 7 of the 8 largest Muslim countries on Earth, and a further 40 Muslim countries in total, focusing only on a small group of unstable, ISIS-rich nations, and those only temporarily. Will also impact citizens and green card holders who travel to and from (especially repeatedly to and from) these regions, with greater scrutiny. The religion of said citizens, green card holders, and immigrants is not mentioned in the ban and immigration from 85% of the Muslim nations on Earth remains unchanged. Welp, that's a bomber.
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Post by matt on Jan 29, 2017 22:51:32 GMT -5
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 30, 2017 13:04:37 GMT -5
So the new thing is this: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Put that nonsensical quote on your social media and then pretend you're morally superior to everyone else. Pretend you understand the sheer logistical and numerical scale of what's going on here. Pretend there's nowhere on the planet for a fucking Syrian hobo to escape to except a country 4,000 miles away with a radically different culture, language, economy, and legal system where integration will be expensive and difficult. Then you pretend that people concerned with the immigration blow-back happening now in UK, France, Germany, et al are simply racist and not soberly looking at immigration from Islamic nations as a particularly troublesome issue of late, worthy of additional scrutiny. Finish by quoting some bible verse implying that a true Christian would take a Syrian refugee into their home, even though the world is over run with refugees from South America, Africa, Asia, and Syria is just one hot spot that's currently trending. Nobody has a right to enter any country. Nobody has a right to be transported to the opposite side of the globe on our dime, when there are vastly better options for refuge in the region that share a language and social norms which will make integration vastly simpler and more successful for all parties involved. And I don't remember signing up to be the dumping ground for the wretched refuse of the world, indefinitely, with no regard to scrutiny or security. This is fucking dumb. All these deaf, dumb, mute liberals suddenly revived to full faculties on day 6 of Trump's presidency after an 8 year coma of drone rape, gun running, red lines in the sand, and military malaise. Hey, immigration zealots . . . did Obama put a similar freeze on Iraqi immigration in 2011 during a tense couple of months for similar reasons? Spoiler alert: you didn't even know about that one because the sycophant media didn't spoon feed you outrage during the Obama terms. Follow-up spoiler alert: you're an asshole. Yep, you nailed it. The misinformation regarding the "muslim ban" is laughable. It's all bullshit. We can and do inspect ANYONE coming into this country, including US Citizens, every single day at every single port of entry. We have always, always had specific profiling to detain and question people and have had everything from NSEERS registration, to Iraq,to relinquishing visa waiver agreements to scrutiny of these 7 listed countries. Any of us can be held and questioned for hours when trying to enter this country and I'm sure some of us have; especially if anyone here has ever crossed the border at a southwest port like Tijuana. Fuck man, I have been tossed into secondary for hours so they could figure out if I was bringing shit back from Mexico and what I was up to. if you want to come to this country on a visa, and you are from a country we have profiled as linked to ISIL, expect delays. BFD.
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Post by matt on Jan 30, 2017 14:10:44 GMT -5
This is a perfect example of people clinging to a false reality because they simply cant admit that they were wrong. Thats all I can figure when it comes to this blatant disregard for logic, facts and simple reasoning.
The fact that people are willing to risk their safety in order to further their tired and incorrect political agendas. Crazy. The masses have truly been duped into forgoing thier own personal benefit for the greater good of the politician.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 30, 2017 14:51:20 GMT -5
Anyone see where Trump made fun of that senator for crying?
Hahaha. I love this guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 15:17:16 GMT -5
Anyone see where Trump made fun of that senator for crying? Hahaha. I love this guy. Yes, Chuck Schumer. He is a very high ranking Democrat and kinda their only hope in stopping Trump (they have no real hope). He is also related to that fat cunt Amy Schumer... you know, the one who promised to leave the country if Trump won, then re-nigged. Those fake tears he shed were not ever remotely believable. Go back and look at his stance on the 2011 ban on Iraqi's traveling here.
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Post by Baph on Jan 30, 2017 16:58:53 GMT -5
People who have banned Muslim nations from immigrating: Carter, Obama, Trump. People who have voted for/supported boarder walls: B. Clinton, H. Clinton, Obama, Trump. People who got their shit protested by crazed mobs for weeks on end: Just Trump. Interesting, eh?
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Post by Baph on Jan 30, 2017 17:02:07 GMT -5
So the new thing is this: "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" Put that nonsensical quote on your social media and then pretend you're morally superior to everyone else. Pretend you understand the sheer logistical and numerical scale of what's going on here. Pretend there's nowhere on the planet for a fucking Syrian hobo to escape to except a country 4,000 miles away with a radically different culture, language, economy, and legal system where integration will be expensive and difficult. Then you pretend that people concerned with the immigration blow-back happening now in UK, France, Germany, et al are simply racist and not soberly looking at immigration from Islamic nations as a particularly troublesome issue of late, worthy of additional scrutiny. Finish by quoting some bible verse implying that a true Christian would take a Syrian refugee into their home, even though the world is over run with refugees from South America, Africa, Asia, and Syria is just one hot spot that's currently trending. Nobody has a right to enter any country. Nobody has a right to be transported to the opposite side of the globe on our dime, when there are vastly better options for refuge in the region that share a language and social norms which will make integration vastly simpler and more successful for all parties involved. And I don't remember signing up to be the dumping ground for the wretched refuse of the world, indefinitely, with no regard to scrutiny or security. This is fucking dumb. All these deaf, dumb, mute liberals suddenly revived to full faculties on day 6 of Trump's presidency after an 8 year coma of drone rape, gun running, red lines in the sand, and military malaise. Hey, immigration zealots . . . did Obama put a similar freeze on Iraqi immigration in 2011 during a tense couple of months for similar reasons? Spoiler alert: you didn't even know about that one because the sycophant media didn't spoon feed you outrage during the Obama terms. Follow-up spoiler alert: you're an asshole. Yep, you nailed it. The misinformation regarding the "muslim ban" is laughable. It's all bullshit. We can and do inspect ANYONE coming into this country, including US Citizens, every single day at every single port of entry. We have always, always had specific profiling to detain and question people and have had everything from NSEERS registration, to Iraq,to relinquishing visa waiver agreements to scrutiny of these 7 listed countries. Any of us can be held and questioned for hours when trying to enter this country and I'm sure some of us have; especially if anyone here has ever crossed the border at a southwest port like Tijuana. Fuck man, I have been tossed into secondary for hours so they could figure out if I was bringing shit back from Mexico and what I was up to. if you want to come to this country on a visa, and you are from a country we have profiled as linked to ISIL, expect delays. BFD. Absolutely. Every time I've come back from outside the US it's a massive pain in the ass, multiple checkpoints, short interview with customs agent, bag scans, body scans, long lines, in China they took my temperature to check for viral infections entering the country . . . but some dude from fucking Libya or Syria is supposed to just waltz in unquestioned? Dude, I can't fucking go do Vegas without taking my shoes off and getting my shampoo confiscated and having a pat down. Are you shitting me? These countries don't have functioning governments for fuck's sake.
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