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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 9:05:41 GMT -5
Boo Hoo.
This will likely end up like my Terrance Kelloms thread over at Weakly:
It's entitled "Here's Another Racially Charged Beating Case For Those That Love "Em" and it reveals exactly how low many black families will sink to protect a criminal in the family, and try to PROFIT FROM HIS JUSTIFIABLE KILLING.
Here's what inspired it:
Last year, Elissa was all alarmed about "shootings of unarmed black men in America"and hastily tweeted about the latest shooting which was in Detroit. So I looked into local reports of this alleged (or assumed) case of Police Brutality. Here's what I found: Kelloms (one day out of prison for robbery) was being re-arrested for an alleged
robbery that very day....and was shot AFTER BRANDISHING A HAMMER at the arresting officer in his home. Naturally his worthless family of liars was making wildly untrue allegations about Not Having A Weapon, Number of Shots Fired, etc. to support their planned lawsuit.
The thread follows the case to its conclusion....in which Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy calls a press conference to reveal the truth, gleaned from ballistics reports and other evidence. That evidence supported the police reports 100% and proved the family was nothing more than a bunch of lying, vulturous ghouls.
Worthy took a swipe at the newly-formed Black Lives Matter movement during her press conference, stating that "You know what ELSE matters? The TRUTH matters."
And, No, 'Lil J, Worthy isn't an Auntie Tom. She's a longtime prosecutor who made her political bones trying -- and convicting -- two white cops who beat a black addict with flashlights, causing his death in 1992.
I predict this case will prove to be at worst, a tragic accident (yes, it could called criminal negligence by the cop). But let's get all the facts first.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 9:07:29 GMT -5
So, the police confirmed that when they saw him he had a GUN, then retreated to his car and came back out with a GUN and posed an immediate threat. Another race baiting argument refuted by (lets all spell it out) F A C T S. This wasn't killing a black guy because the pigs are racist, blood thirsty animals, this guy threatened the lives of innocent people and police. Screw it though... lets riot and loot so we can cause as much damage as possible over nothing... that will help the blacks gain respect from the white people.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 9:12:13 GMT -5
As usual people like you jump to instant conclusions and determine it was unjustified and race based before any facts are gathered. Who cares if he was disabled? A retard, paraplegic, or insane person can pull the trigger just as fast as a normal person. Can you name a time when the family of a black shooting victim came out and told the truth? No, they always lie and make up victimization stories when they are interviewed. Lets see some facts before we come up with a verdict So police don't lie, plant guns and drugs or fabricate reports? Of course they do....ON RARE OCCASIONS. I ALSO made a thread about such a case over at Weakly, entitled "Detroit-Area White Cop Beats, Frames Black Motorist, But Justice is Done."
Read up about it, boy. Educate yourself. And don't get all uppity about being called "Boy." If you can insult me as a racist drug addict -- I am neither -- I feel entitled to equal time.
You understand entitlement mentality, of course. You reek of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 9:17:53 GMT -5
Lil J - do you find it offensive that this is being portrayed as a race issue? Does it bother you at all? Understandably the daughter is going to be upset that her dad just died, but her claim that he was shot "because he is black" is either naive, a lie or just her being a fucking moron. And then you follow it up that unarmed black men are being murdered by racist, bigoted police officers. The cop was BLACK. Please explain how race had anything to do with this. You fell for it, just as kyle suggests. The media race baited and you jumped on that hook as fast as you could. Sad man, sad and pathetic. It's clearly a race issue. If the victim in this case were white, he undoubtedly would not have been shot. A stupid, biased opinion expressed as fact....despite lacking any real evidence whatsoever!
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Post by ocmmafan on Sept 21, 2016 9:59:42 GMT -5
I read an interesting opinion piece on CNN tonight about this. It talked about not rushing to judgement because we don't know all of the facts (this was specifically about the Tulsa shooting). The video does look bad, but he made an interesting point that I couldn't ignore. Why was he walking away from the cops? The truth is that we rush to judgement before knowing factual information. Also, the narrative matters, and we tend to believe immediately what we are predisposed to believe based on our own beliefs or experiences. On the face of it, it looks horrific, an unarmed man killed by a police officer. Add in the black man and white officer facts and it gets more complicated. We don't yet know her version of the events, but I personally think it looks bad, but before I crusade to have her tarred and feathered, I will have to step back, remove my emotion and predisposition, and try to be rational. I am particularly sensitive to this subject because my brother in law is black. Lots of tattoos. He is a machinist, works hard, doesn't get into trouble takes good care of his family. I worry a lot about what could happen to him in a simple traffic stop. What I don't fully understand is why the officers we hear about shoot to kill as opposed to shooting to neutralize. They managed to disable that piece of pig shit Ahmad Rahani in New Jersey, and he was armed, but they brought him in alive. In law enforcement you are trained to shoot center mass. You are not trained to "kill" but rather end the threat, but the shots will often kill the suspect. I wasn't trained to "kill" and that is never mentioned in training, though it can be the result. It's deadly force but not really shoot to kill. Make sense? Most all law enforcement do carry less than deadly (tazer, baton, pepper spray) and are trained on those techniques, but it's highly likely a deadly encounter is going to be the first and only such encounter of an officers career. When it gets to the point that you need to draw your weapon and the suspect crosses that line, and you need to pull the trigger, death is probably going to happen. It's the hard reality of having a glock and being able to shoot high capacity, repetitive. It's coming to the split second conclusion that your life or another life is in danger and reacting to the event - it's an imperfect act people demand perfection on. But, in ALL circumstances, the dead suspect has a choice to comply and chooses not to. We will never find a case of a complying suspect doing exactly what they are told and being shot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 10:39:47 GMT -5
Yes, that does make sense, thanks for explaining that.
I don't understand non compliance when the person of authority has a weapon that could end your life... It makes no sense to me.
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Post by MMAJim on Sept 21, 2016 10:44:29 GMT -5
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Post by ocmmafan on Sept 21, 2016 10:59:35 GMT -5
Need Lil J to give us the breakdown of how this was a racist act by the renegade police.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Sept 21, 2016 11:03:26 GMT -5
Is this the new BLM thread? Or a one off police killing thread?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 11:58:05 GMT -5
We have some bad apples in the otherwise solid batch of guys and gals. Lil J, before you think one more moment about the point you hAve been trying to make...think about what these people go through on a daily basis.
It's a shit job. They have to deal with the lowest of the low. Life in danger at all times. Talked shit to by those that have no respect. I have to believe that some of the people that stay with the force do it out of straight love for what they do. I wouldnt want to be a cop, fuck that noise.
Now, are there some bad apples? Most definitely. Do they cover for one another? Most definitely. Would you do the same for your brothers? Of course.
My family has been on the wrong side of the law when they were legit not doing anything wrong. It was a nightmare to get them out of that bullshit. Cops lying left and right. Ive told the story before...
Do blacks tend to get the worst of it? Yeah, I believe they do. I also feel like we can't deny that many set themselves up for it as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 12:07:26 GMT -5
Lil J - do you find it offensive that this is being portrayed as a race issue? Does it bother you at all? Understandably the daughter is going to be upset that her dad just died, but her claim that he was shot "because he is black" is either naive, a lie or just her being a fucking moron. And then you follow it up that unarmed black men are being murdered by racist, bigoted police officers. The cop was BLACK. Please explain how race had anything to do with this. You fell for it, just as kyle suggests. The media race baited and you jumped on that hook as fast as you could. Sad man, sad and pathetic. It's clearly a race issue. If the victim in this case were white, he undoubtedly would not have been shot AND THEN HAD IT REPORTED ON IN THE NATIONAL MAINSTREAM MEDIA. Fixed it for you Lil J. BLM is nothing more than clickbait for news conglomerates now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 22:45:38 GMT -5
Amazing Lil J has been silent since his stories were proven false.
Watching these NC riots/protests is an amazing thing... facts have no bearing nor do the people even care about whether something was done for the right or wrong reasons... just animals behaving like a pack of wild dogs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 6:22:49 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 6:25:48 GMT -5
Horrified after reading this cnn article about what happened in charrlotte. Tell me, how does throwing bricks in windows, punching hotel staff in the face, turning over dumpsters, looting stores and all of that shit help?
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Post by purerockfury on Sept 22, 2016 6:57:31 GMT -5
At least our fine president spoke up last night and called for the end of the protests in charlotte.
Oh wait, he didn't make an appearance or release a statement? Carry on then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 7:08:03 GMT -5
Any well-thought-out rebuttals, 'Lil J?
Or just more banal, trite, untrue allegations, supported by no evidence whatsoever?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 10:42:36 GMT -5
This crap has taken over my FB feed.
So many of my "friends" are fucking idiots.
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Post by Angelo on Sept 22, 2016 11:16:06 GMT -5
Oh I just realized I never posted the other day like I meant to. When I was posting before I completely confused this (NC) incident with the incident in Tulsa. The incident in Tulsa is bullshit, here it really does look like the police did the right thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 11:33:36 GMT -5
I got into a bit of a debate with some friend of a friend about how the black people being killed by police is just some kind of bullshit designed to distract from some other issue.
The proof I have are the following names:
Micheal Goodale, Charles Dove, Jeremy Ray Swenson, Sandy Joe Duke.
These are 4 of the 6 white people killed by police SINCE Terrence was shot. Ever hear of them? I'd bet the only ones who can answer "yes" all live within the same local news market as the victims. These stories never made national news.
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Post by Angelo on Sept 22, 2016 17:37:00 GMT -5
1st degree manslaughter charges filed against the cop in Tulsa.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 18:55:13 GMT -5
1st degree manslaughter charges filed against the cop in Tulsa. I am not sure what the precedent for manslaughter is, but she should definitely see some punishment. There are plenty of unknowns here, like did he reach in to the window, did he threaten her before the cameras start rolling, was he acting crazy and high on PCP.... but it is going to be hard for her to justify shooing him when 3 cops next to her didn't.
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Post by Angelo on Sept 22, 2016 19:03:47 GMT -5
1st degree manslaughter charges filed against the cop in Tulsa. I am not sure what the precedent for manslaughter is, but she should definitely see some punishment. There are plenty of unknowns here, like did he reach in to the window, did he threaten her before the cameras start rolling, was he acting crazy and high on PCP.... but it is going to be hard for her to justify shooing him when 3 cops next to her didn't. He was also down and tased at the time, and they got a screencap from one of the cameras there showing the window was up so there was no way he was "reaching in" as she claimed. I have no idea if manslaughter is the right charge, but she done fucked up for sure.
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Post by JROD on Sept 22, 2016 19:18:50 GMT -5
You guys know I'm a Arkansas LEO and have worked as a reserve deputy off and on, so my opinion may be biased...
But the female copying Tulsa needs a murder charge. No excuse whatsoever to bust a cap in a non-violent offender, no matter the "cause".
The black LEO in Charlotte needs a fucking medal and free Chick-Fil-A for life. Scum removal is necessary.
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Post by sbsbsbsb on Sept 22, 2016 19:38:32 GMT -5
1st degree manslaughter charges filed against the cop in Tulsa. 1st degree manslaughter charges filed against the cop in Tulsa. I feel like the SJWs will be confused about how to handle this one. She's a woman, but she's a white cop. If you argue she was in greater danger because of gender, then you justify treating females differently than males on the job. If you seek lesser punishment due to gender, you contradict gender equality. It's so much easier in the abstract, much harder in reality. If she was a single mom, minority, female cop, their SJW heads would explode.
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Post by JROD on Sept 22, 2016 19:42:54 GMT -5
1st degree manslaughter charges filed against the cop in Tulsa. 1st degree manslaughter charges filed against the cop in Tulsa. I feel like the SJWs will be confused about how to handle this one. She's a woman, but she's a white cop. If you argue she was in greater danger because of gender, then you justify treating females differently than males on the job. If you seek lesser punishment due to gender, you contradict gender equality. It's so much easier in the abstract, much harder in reality. If she was a single mom, minority, female cop, their SJW heads would explode. She big enough to squeeze a trigger? Then she big enough to pay the piper... Same rules. That's what is wanted? Wish granted!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 20:27:17 GMT -5
My guess is there won't be a trial in Tulsa. She will plead to man 2 or 3 and get probation.
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Post by Angelo on Sept 22, 2016 20:38:32 GMT -5
My guess is there won't be a trial in Tulsa. She will plead to man 2 or 3 and get probation. There is that bullshit called mandatory minimums.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 22:19:08 GMT -5
You guys know I'm a Arkansas LEO and have worked as a reserve deputy off and on, so my opinion may be biased... But the female copying Tulsa needs a murder charge. No excuse whatsoever to bust a cap in a non-violent offender, no matter the "cause". The black LEO in Charlotte needs a fucking medal and free Chick-Fil-A for life. Scum removal is necessary. Ya, if she was on the scene alone I think she is granted leeway because of her size compared to his... but with 3 men standing next to her she has no excuse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 22:19:58 GMT -5
I am not sure what the precedent for manslaughter is, but she should definitely see some punishment. There are plenty of unknowns here, like did he reach in to the window, did he threaten her before the cameras start rolling, was he acting crazy and high on PCP.... but it is going to be hard for her to justify shooing him when 3 cops next to her didn't. He was also down and tased at the time, and they got a screencap from one of the cameras there showing the window was up so there was no way he was "reaching in" as she claimed. I have no idea if manslaughter is the right charge, but she done fucked up for sure. Pretty sure the taser went off at the same time the gun did.
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Post by Angelo on Sept 22, 2016 22:21:38 GMT -5
He was also down and tased at the time, and they got a screencap from one of the cameras there showing the window was up so there was no way he was "reaching in" as she claimed. I have no idea if manslaughter is the right charge, but she done fucked up for sure. Pretty sure the taser went off at the same time the gun did. Well I'm deaf, I thought I heard the shot while he was laying there, but if that is the case, that's even worse. You have a trained officer feeling a taser is enough, and another they need to discharged their firearm. That shows issues with training.
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