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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 20:49:54 GMT -5
Go look at the fact checker for her site. I don't know exactly how it works, but it is generally agreed upon that it does and that it is unbiased. My friend who got 1600 on his SATs and is a certified genius who reads ALL the political shit he can find is one of those people voting for Hilary. NOT a fool by ANY means. I'd ask you to prove to me that Trump's not a liar, but like I said, I don't want to talk about this anymore with a whole bunch of people who all disagree with me. I admittedly need to read as a WHOLE LOT more to be as informed as I'd like to be, but I'll tell you one thing, I'll NEVER vote for Trump. My uncle is 67, a Ph.d and a SHITLOAD more informed than me and said to me the other day "Trump is the most corrupt candidate in my lifetime, including Richard Nixon". I think he probably has more life experience and just as much political knowledge as you do. People just have different opinions, so lets leave it at that please. Buddy, you know I'm not about the name calling when it comes to thes discussions. So kyle and cg...por favor..toehold obviously isn't a moron. He's obviously got a good guy with a good heart. We all have different life experiences that shape our oponions, but why disrespect someone that you normally converse with like that. Toehold, I feel that you are where I was at years ago. Not paying enough attention (and who really wants to?) and too busy with your own life to really dig in too deep. I've been there. But to say you won't get any factual info here is wrong. Kyle is telling it like it is from a business owners perspective. Just like you are telling it is from a person that has what you have going on...in your perspective. I think CG heart is in the right place and the guy is a nationalist deep down, but I will be the first to disagree with him on certain things. Doesn't mean I cant and don't learn from his posts. I'm sure your uncle is someone that has some serious experience in life and I'm sure you look up to the man. As you should But let me ask you one thing...do you really think Clintons hands are clean? Regardless of what has been proven, to jell with the emails, benghazi, etc. Do you think she is not corrupt?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 20:53:31 GMT -5
Politics is a polarizing topic, Toehold. While you may agree with people close to you because of how much you value their opinions, academics aren't really the barometer for "smart". I would look at business owners, entrepreneurs, big or small, because these are the people that would feel the brunt of a falling economy. You are doing an ostrich & trying to ignore other people's opinion because they're not in line with yours. Being ignorant is forgivable, being ignorant for the sake of being ignorant is dangerous. Is Trump the savior that supporters tend to say? Hell to the no. The man is as repulsive as you can get, but what it boils down to is the lesser of 2 evils. And Hillary might make Satan blush. Grow a thick skin, people here are abrasive with their views but if you truly believe that what you believe in is right, there's no point to bury your head in the sand. Bring the facts & demolish their arguments. We could have a civilized conversations EVEN with the insults & the name calling. This is still basically mmaweekly. Same rules apply. Boom Parts of that should be stickied on all political threads Leave it to the fuccin asians.. Most of whom I know are serious Trump supporters I may add...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 20:58:32 GMT -5
Go look at the fact checker for her site. I don't know exactly how it works, but it is generally agreed upon that it does and that it is unbiased. My friend who got 1600 on his SATs and is a certified genius who reads ALL the political shit he can find is one of those people voting for Hilary. NOT a fool by ANY means. I'd ask you to prove to me that Trump's not a liar, but like I said, I don't want to talk about this anymore with a whole bunch of people who all disagree with me. I admittedly need to read as a WHOLE LOT more to be as informed as I'd like to be, but I'll tell you one thing, I'll NEVER vote for Trump. My uncle is 67, a Ph.d and a SHITLOAD more informed than me and said to me the other day "Trump is the most corrupt candidate in my lifetime, including Richard Nixon". I think he probably has more life experience and just as much political knowledge as you do. People just have different opinions, so lets leave it at that please. Buddy, you know I'm not about the name calling when it comes to thes discussions. So kyle and cg...por favor..toehold obviously isn't a moron. He's obviously got a good guy with a good heart. We all have different life experiences that shape our oponions, but why disrespect someone that you normally converse with like that. Toehold, I feel that you are where I was at years ago. Not paying enough attention (and who really wants to?) and too busy with your own life to really dig in too deep. I've been there. But to say you won't get any factual info here is wrong. Kyle is telling it like it is from a business owners perspective. Just like you are telling it is from a person that has what you have going on...in your perspective. I think CG heart is in the right place and the guy is a nationalist deep down, but I will be the first to disagree with him on certain things. Doesn't mean I cant and don't learn from his posts. I'm sure your uncle is someone that has some serious experience in life and I'm sure you look up to the man. As you should But let me ask you one thing...do you really think Clintons hands are clean? Regardless of what has been proven, to jell with the emails, benghazi, etc. Do you think she is not corrupt? I'm sure she's done some shit wrong, as have most politicians, but from what I know so far I don't feel I'd use the word "corrupt" to describe her like I would with Trump. But you know I don't wanna talk about this anymore. I started by asking a few people some of their opinions on some news articles I posted and that was all I wanted to do, but it devolved, as it always does.
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Post by daywork on Oct 2, 2016 21:41:54 GMT -5
I think they are both shady, backroom dealings, corrupt people. I have a hard time trying to listen to either of them speak. I feel like every other word Hillary says is a lie.
Ah, it doesn't matter. We're probably doomed either way.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 2, 2016 21:42:55 GMT -5
Politics is a polarizing topic, Toehold. While you may agree with people close to you because of how much you value their opinions, academics aren't really the barometer for "smart". I would look at business owners, entrepreneurs, big or small, because these are the people that would feel the brunt of a falling economy. You are doing an ostrich & trying to ignore other people's opinion because they're not in line with yours. Being ignorant is forgivable, being ignorant for the sake of being ignorant is dangerous. Is Trump the savior that supporters tend to say? Hell to the no. The man is as repulsive as you can get, but what it boils down to is the lesser of 2 evils. And Hillary might make Satan blush. Grow a thick skin, people here are abrasive with their views but if you truly believe that what you believe in is right, there's no point to bury your head in the sand. Bring the facts & demolish their arguments. We could have a civilized conversations EVEN with the insults & the name calling. This is still basically mmaweekly. Same rules apply. Well put. I think another point we all know but need to emphasize is Trump being an outsider is obviously terrifying to all these career politicians. Look at BOTH parties trying hard to undermine him at every opportunity. That should tell us all something and we should be happy ANYONE is a threat to pull the curtain back on all this bullshit. Hillary is one of the most corrupt people on the planet, but even if it was Romney, Bush, Gore, Sanders or any other career politician, isn't it worth the risk to try an outsider? I am all for defending against Hillary because of the 5000 reasons that have been listed multiple times, but I also want any outsider. Not a fake outsider that is a career politician like Bernie, but someone who is truly operating outside the beltway. Trump at least gives us that.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 2, 2016 21:45:38 GMT -5
I keep hearing how Trump is the first time we've seen bipartisanship with most politicians, and all living Presidents that he is the worst choice, and that should be a sign that we shouldn't elect him. To me, that is exactly why he needs to be elected, if all politicians agree, you know that means its bad for them or they are up to something to screw over the population.
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Post by TudoNotSignedIn on Oct 2, 2016 21:46:56 GMT -5
Buddy, you know I'm not about the name calling when it comes to thes discussions. So kyle and cg...por favor..toehold obviously isn't a moron. He's obviously got a good guy with a good heart. We all have different life experiences that shape our oponions, but why disrespect someone that you normally converse with like that. Toehold, I feel that you are where I was at years ago. Not paying enough attention (and who really wants to?) and too busy with your own life to really dig in too deep. I've been there. But to say you won't get any factual info here is wrong. Kyle is telling it like it is from a business owners perspective. Just like you are telling it is from a person that has what you have going on...in your perspective. I think CG heart is in the right place and the guy is a nationalist deep down, but I will be the first to disagree with him on certain things. Doesn't mean I cant and don't learn from his posts. I'm sure your uncle is someone that has some serious experience in life and I'm sure you look up to the man. As you should But let me ask you one thing...do you really think Clintons hands are clean? Regardless of what has been proven, to jell with the emails, benghazi, etc. Do you think she is not corrupt? I'm sure she's done some shit wrong, as have most politicians, but from what I know so far I don't feel I'd use the word "corrupt" to describe her like I would with Trump. But you know I don't wanna talk about this anymore. I started by asking a few people some of their opinions on some news articles I posted and that was all I wanted to do, but it devolved, as it always does. No, it just got deeper. Personally, I think some debate like this is good for you, I can tell you are not comfortable speaking about this. When her and her husband have been in politics for as long as they have, how would you think they wouldn't be more corrupt than Trump? How to do you feel Trump is corrupt? Unethical in business perhaps?
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Post by Angelo on Oct 2, 2016 21:50:22 GMT -5
Alright people, when you quote someone, make sure you place the cursor BELOW the quote box so you aren't adding to their quote.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 21:59:19 GMT -5
I just read Kyle's last post & nowhere there did he mentioned you or your family as lazy. You're being too emotional here. Please post more often, we need people with a different opinions or this would just be a shitshow of callous racism. I'm neither a repub nor a democrat-I'm not even american but I have socially liberal-fiscally conservative views. And I am interested with any views. I am particularly tame on the forums as opposed to real life when I argue with people. I don't know, it seemed to me like he was pretty strongly hinting towards me and my family as being like the POS's he was talking about, but if I'm wrong I apologize. I'm the complete opposite of you: I argue more online than in real life BY FAR. Face to face I can't even stand to argue with most people. I actually hate arguing in general, but a good debate can be fun, though I prefer debating about MMA to politics. That's probably cause I'm not as informed as I'd like to be on politics though, while I consider myself to know a fair amount about MMA. I am not implying your family is a bunch of losers, I am implying that who I associate with are people that vote for political representatives that minimize taxes and spending. You should post here more, and I think you are confusing discussion with arguing. I (and most people) love debate when it's with facts. I don't think any argument can go well with personal attacks or opinions that are not factually backed. I think the biggest problem with our country being divided is how many uninformed voters are out there. I sat at a dinner table with about 20 people a few weeks ago. Probably 16 were absolutely anti-trump and would never vote for him (all very nice people). I asked 2 questions with great sincerity and genuine intrigue and it went the following way... 1) Name one reason why you are anti-trump that is not based on speculation and fact... nobody could answer 2) Give me Hillary's greatest achievement in her political career... nobody could answer. This leads me to believe that Trump will never be given a fair chance by 50% or our country no matter how much success or failure he has. They simply hate him and will be pissed off beyond belief if he wins... yet they don't know why they hate him.
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Post by Baph on Oct 2, 2016 22:25:40 GMT -5
It's a great real-time example though, of how these fabricated scandals are supposed to play out, distract, occupy us, and channel our thoughts and conversations away from . . . you know . . . billions in ransom payments to Iran, 33,000 deleted emails under FBI subpoena, DNC rigging the primary, calling Sanders supporters basement dwellers, calling Mexican voters the taco bowl, Hitlary calling blacks super predators that need to be brought to heel . . . keep in mind Trump is the racist dick, ok? Keep that in mind as you read all this. About her character assassinating the women who came forward after being sexually harassed and raped by her husband. About her voting to build a wall on the Mexican border. About her opposition to gay marriage. About her supporting every damn war for the past 30 years and trying to goad us into 2 or 3 more, spear-heading Libya, smuggling arms into Syria, framing some YouTube sap when it blew up, lying about sniper fire on the tarmac in Serbia, lying about being named after Sir Edmund Hilary who didn't climb Everest until Hilary was already 6-7 years old, lying about having hot sauce in her bag, about the White Water real estate scam, about getting a child rapist off with time served, about being removed from the Watergate case, about over-heating at the 9-11 memorial, about supporting NAFTA and TPP, about everything . . . ever, her first instinct is always to lie, and she ALWAYS gets away with it. And there are a lot of folks who put a pretty compelling case forward that she's directly/indirectly linked to SEVERAL assassinations, most notably Vince Foster.
I mean, there are massive, vile, violent, felonious issues stacked up to the roof and all we can talk about is some 21 year old tax return or a mean comment at some 16 year old beauty pageant. It's obvious what's going on here, right? And how well it works, right?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 23:15:18 GMT -5
He's racist, then he's an actual democrat, no wait he's a racist biggot, he didn't make that much money, no wait he didn't keep enough of his money because he's stupid, no wait he kept too much of his money, he's still a sexist, don't forget he's a racist, he's a bad boss, his school took advantage of people, he is a tax cheat.... phew that's a lot too remember.
Crazy that Hillary would attend the wedding of Trump, take his donation and ask for his endorsement since he is so despicable.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 2, 2016 23:16:30 GMT -5
He's racist, then he's an actual democrat, no wait he's a racist biggot, he didn't make that much money, no wait he didn't keep enough of his money because he's stupid, no wait he kept too much of his money, he's still a sexist, don't forget he's a racist, he's a bad boss, his school took advantage of people, he is a tax cheat.... phew that's a lot too remember. Crazy that Hillary would attend the wedding of Trump, take his donation and ask for his endorsement since he is so despicable. He's too liberal for her is the issue, and she wants that office.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Oct 3, 2016 0:03:58 GMT -5
I consider myself more of a liberal and not religious but I pray to God Hillary does not win. She is what's wrong with politics. If you could point at one person and say, this is what is wrong with society and politics, should not represent the great people of this country and is flat out not a good human being, Hillary is THAT person.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 8:00:39 GMT -5
I had heard that Assange said there would be another wikileaks dump, but I had not heard about this cancellation. That sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 10:20:36 GMT -5
I was not aware of a Wililieaks dump. What do you mean cancelled due to security reasons? According to Assange, there are security threats that he's not safe from at the moment if he dumps on Tuesday. The embassy I guess is helping him but looks like delayed indefinitely. Rumours are he's gonna be able to go through with the dump on Tuesday but not make formal announcement. He's scrapped the announcement from the balcony (which is just for dramatic effect if we're being honest), but IS doing a closed circuit video press conference from the embassy that will be broadcast to reporters in Germany tomorrow morning. And I bet it hardly gets touched by the media in this country. But I'm gonna be watching, and I hope all the other folks here are as well- despite my feeling that this place is pretty Pro-Trump anyway.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 3, 2016 14:19:42 GMT -5
According to Assange, there are security threats that he's not safe from at the moment if he dumps on Tuesday. The embassy I guess is helping him but looks like delayed indefinitely. Rumours are he's gonna be able to go through with the dump on Tuesday but not make formal announcement. He's scrapped the announcement from the balcony (which is just for dramatic effect if we're being honest), but IS doing a closed circuit video press conference from the embassy that will be broadcast to reporters in Germany tomorrow morning. And I bet it hardly gets touched by the media in this country. But I'm gonna be watching, and I hope all the other folks here are as well- despite my feeling that this place is pretty Pro-Trump anyway. Did you see this? www.allenbwest.com/matt-palumbo/wikileaks-plans-indoor-announcement-sources-say-hillary-threatened"Can't we just drone this guy" ~ Hillary Clinton talking about Julian Assange
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Post by Fasthands25 on Oct 3, 2016 14:51:25 GMT -5
Hillary "Drone em and Bone em" Clinton. God I can't stand the idea of her winning...
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Post by daywork on Oct 3, 2016 15:20:29 GMT -5
LMAO, Yet Trump is the one we should be afraid of bombing people.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 16:19:15 GMT -5
Yeah OC, I saw Snopes trying to dismiss it as "not verified". They are so obviously pro-Clinton it's gotten ridiculous.
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Post by Baph on Oct 3, 2016 22:14:47 GMT -5
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Post by boboplata on Oct 3, 2016 22:33:34 GMT -5
Don't tell Toe Hold, but . . . I don't care if Trump loses all HIS money. Losing $6 billion of taxpayers money is fucking outrageous.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2016 22:36:17 GMT -5
Don't tell Toe Hold, but . . . No media coverage... swept under the rug the minute it was published.
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Post by Baph on Oct 3, 2016 23:24:23 GMT -5
The government, and this woman in particular, piss away a billion dollars like . . . well . . . like it's piss.
But hey, let's have a fucking meltdown because 21 fucking years ago Trump had a shitty year in real estate and casinos and off-set the losses like Steve Jobs and Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos do all the time, except it's LOL when it's Trump because in election years I can't think critically.
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Post by limehouse on Oct 3, 2016 23:49:35 GMT -5
Fact: Clinton is winning the election in November.
I'm not trying to offer my opinion or trying to sway anyone's vote (I don't want anyone to quit fighting for their own beliefs/cause).
The writing is on the wall. It won't even be that close (Meaning not as close as the past 3 elections).
Buckle the fuck up boys and girls. It's happening. Get those "I told ya sos" in the chamber, you will be firing them.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 4, 2016 0:08:34 GMT -5
Fact: Clinton is winning the election in November. I'm not trying to offer my opinion or trying to sway anyone's vote (I don't want anyone to quit fighting for their own beliefs/cause). The writing is on the wall. It won't even be that close (Meaning not as close as the past 3 elections). Buckle the fuck up boys and girls. It's happening. Get those "I told ya sos" in the chamber, you will be firing them. Ironically the person your username is named after is Republican and would LOVE Trump
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 8:51:23 GMT -5
Assange trolled the internet last night. What a joke. Speculation that he's been bought. Wouldn't surprise me. Dude's been stuck in an Embassy for 4 years and is probably ready to leave. The whole thing was a complete waste of time though. Glad I didn't stay up last night.
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Post by jamesod on Oct 4, 2016 8:55:03 GMT -5
Years of not giving a shit about any of Dana's big announcements trained me well to ignore Assange's big announcement.
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Post by Premier on Oct 4, 2016 9:14:39 GMT -5
Wasn't he supposed to make the announcement on a balcony, but then cancelled because of snipers?
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Post by boboplata on Oct 4, 2016 9:59:36 GMT -5
Fuck
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Post by Angelo on Oct 4, 2016 10:36:48 GMT -5
Think he'll wait till after the election since there will be almost nothing we can do about it.
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