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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 12:49:59 GMT -5
I haven't watched Luke Cage yet, but I've watched all the other Marvel properties on Netflix so I'm sure I'll get around to it. I'm not pumped that it's sort of a spinoff of Jessica Jones though. I had such a love/hate relationship with that show. On the one hand, Kilgrave might be my favorite antagonist, period. He was well-acted, well-written, and I don't know, but having my mind controlled is almost more scary than someone just killing me. I really got into him. But on the other hand, I didn't care, AT ALL, for the titular character. She wasn't likeable.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 13, 2016 15:23:09 GMT -5
Don't rely on it being long-term. Without some drastic changes, Netflix is gone in less than 10 years. If it spikes up, get out. Then re-buy in when it corrects itself. The biggest hurdle that Netflix has, which they haven't come close to even attempting to hurdle, is what to do to keep content flowing when they reach a sub number that is stagnant. Of the major streamers out there, Hulu is the only one is a somewhat safe position. I'm gonna regret this but...why wouldn't Hulu have that exact same hurdle? The business models are 95% the same. Because Hulu generates income on ad-revenue AND subscription fees.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2016 16:02:32 GMT -5
Yeah, but that's only feasible because tv as we know it is still "a thing." I'd argue that Hulu is the one operating with an outdated profit model, and it's allowing them short-term gains by having access to tv shows sooner than the other streaming services. But as time goes by, there are going to be less tv networks providing content, and that is what will help keep Netflix afloat-they are already moving more and more towards being their own content providers. I'd consider that the better long-term plan.
At the end of the day, it's sort of a stupid argument because the entertainment landscape is probably going to look drastically different in 10 years time.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 13, 2016 16:20:53 GMT -5
Yeah, but that's only feasible because tv as we know it is still "a thing." I'd argue that Hulu is the one operating with an outdated profit model, and it's allowing them short-term gains by having access to tv shows sooner than the other streaming services. But as time goes by, there are going to be less tv networks providing content, and that is what will help keep Netflix afloat-they are already moving more and more towards being their own content providers. I'd consider that the better long-term plan. At the end of the day, it's sort of a stupid argument because the entertainment landscape is probably going to look drastically different in 10 years time. Absolutely! I've been saying for years, and now David Bianculli just brought up the same point in an interview, that the future of television and movies is gonna be when we actually have access to it all. None of this BBC America, but actual BBC 1+, Italian channels, Irish, etc... The problem is the way the money works, it seems to be damned near impossible. Anyways Hulu puts out a ton of original content too, nothing with as big a following as say House of Cards, etc.., but remember as big as Netflix has become, Hulu has much much deeper pockets. I think though we aren't gonna see this open market structure with a focus on content creation over exclusive contracts until there is a near equal replacement to ad based revenue. I don't think it would actually even need to be near equal. Maybe 70% of it? Possibly even less because as Netflix/Hulu/Crackle/Amazon has shown, the actors are willing to work for wages much much lower than Network TV when working that structure. Not only are they willing to work for less, but since there is a fuck ton in red-tape and redundancy savings over the way Networks operate... fuck maybe only 50%. However these network brass are greedy as fuck, so they probably just want it zero-summed so they up what goes into their pocket and still have the power to "play god". But anyways, what could a new revenue stream be?
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Post by ocmmafan on Dec 13, 2016 17:31:00 GMT -5
Watched the first 4-5 episodes of Bloodline on Netflix, this weekend At first, I kind of had a Mad Men-esk, "why do I care about these assholes?" reaction, but like Mad Men by episode 2 I was hooked, because it's just so well made and well acted. And with this, there is strong bit of mystery in the backstory that their cleverly alluding too, while holding back just enough Ben Mendelsohn is one of the most under the radar great actors there is right now Cool. Was waiting for a review of this by you. Cast looks promising and I may need a show here very soon, so I will check it out.
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Post by Baph on Dec 13, 2016 17:36:44 GMT -5
Currently crushing on:
Black Mirror Joy of Paining w Bob Ross Glitch
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Post by Angelo on Dec 13, 2016 17:43:48 GMT -5
I've been recommending Bloodline since the week after season 1 came out. Season 2 nowhere near as good, but season 1 is some of the best television around. Mendelsohn is amazing, and holy shit did they nail a realistic family vibe.
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Post by Premier on Dec 13, 2016 22:29:52 GMT -5
Currently crushing on: Black Mirror Joy of Paining w Bob Ross Glitch Just finished Black Mirror. One word stuck to me my mind from your previous review: "mindfuck". In watched the episodes out of order. Two from this season. One from another season just based on the descriptions. And then watch whatever was left from each season. Each episode outdid itself. The ones about the Facebook type "likes" and the the one about the cheating wife have been my favorites. But the rest are almost as good. Best thing about the show is that they are all futuristic. But no star wars type of future. It deals with shit that we can see are coming 5 to 10 years down the line. So you can related to a lot of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 7:52:42 GMT -5
Yeah, but that's only feasible because tv as we know it is still "a thing." I'd argue that Hulu is the one operating with an outdated profit model, and it's allowing them short-term gains by having access to tv shows sooner than the other streaming services. But as time goes by, there are going to be less tv networks providing content, and that is what will help keep Netflix afloat-they are already moving more and more towards being their own content providers. I'd consider that the better long-term plan. At the end of the day, it's sort of a stupid argument because the entertainment landscape is probably going to look drastically different in 10 years time. Absolutely! I've been saying for years, and now David Bianculli just brought up the same point in an interview, that the future of television and movies is gonna be when we actually have access to it all. None of this BBC America, but actual BBC 1+, Italian channels, Irish, etc... The problem is the way the money works, it seems to be damned near impossible. Anyways Hulu puts out a ton of original content too, nothing with as big a following as say House of Cards, etc.., but remember as big as Netflix has become, Hulu has much much deeper pockets. I think though we aren't gonna see this open market structure with a focus on content creation over exclusive contracts until there is a near equal replacement to ad based revenue. I don't think it would actually even need to be near equal. Maybe 70% of it? Possibly even less because as Netflix/Hulu/Crackle/Amazon has shown, the actors are willing to work for wages much much lower than Network TV when working that structure. Not only are they willing to work for less, but since there is a fuck ton in red-tape and redundancy savings over the way Networks operate... fuck maybe only 50%. However these network brass are greedy as fuck, so they probably just want it zero-summed so they up what goes into their pocket and still have the power to "play god". But anyways, what could a new revenue stream be? I think you'll just continue to see more of a shift in the type of advertising being done. We may get to sponsored shows: "House of Cards, brought to you by Coca-Cola." This is already happening so much on everything except television. Haven't there even been a few movies that have been promoted like this? I seem to remember that. Also, having the content providers actually make their own content inherently lowers costs. You're cutting out the middle man, who usually gets a pretty good chunk of change. Couple that with the points you made about talent being willing to work for less. I would assume we will see a lot less waste going forward too. When the networks had a strangle hold on everything, they'd put people under contract and pay them simply to NOT work for someone else. That shit is going the way of the Dodo bird.
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Post by PatSox on Dec 14, 2016 9:18:06 GMT -5
I watched one episode of Black Mirror. The pig fucking one and thought it was pretty dumb. Expected so much more, the way people were talking about it. But instead I got something vapid and cheap and really.........British. Let me explain that. I like a lot of British TV, but even the better ones have this very similar feel that makes them unmistakably British. In how they're cut and how they establish scenes, how low budget the scenery and even the camera quality feels. How dull and lazy the music is. It's a big part of why I could never get in to Dr. Who. It all feels so second rate. Like it could be amazing, but they just can't, or won't put more in to it to get it there
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Post by sooner2 on Dec 14, 2016 12:43:59 GMT -5
Tv time is very limited this year. Only things I watch regularly now are jeopardy reruns , dogfight reruns , and the affair. Looking forward to GoT and homeland if they continue it. Watched hell on wheels limp to a whimper of a finish. Same with justified. Ray Donovan is heading that way as well.
The affair has been drawn out as well. I thought they should have been able to wrap most of it up in one season... but they've dragged it out. I did like some of the aspects of last season... especially the many gatsby east egg/ west egg type themes.
But this season is starting to beat a dead horse. The once kinda unique intrigue of shooting the episodes from POV of two characters has run its usefulness. The only episodes having any worthwhile aspects are those with Noah. Noah's family and Allison / cole episodes are almost becoming fast foward material for me.
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Threw in peaky blinders last night. Put me to sleep but it was pretty good
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Post by PatSox on Dec 14, 2016 15:18:12 GMT -5
Threw in peaky blinders last night. Put me to sleep but it was pretty good Christ, I totally forgot about that show. I watched the first couple seasons. Liked it quite a bit. Then I watched the first episode of season 3 a good while back and................nothing. Not sure what happened there Guess I just lost interest on a fricken dime. Not sure what the show did wrong, if anything. Maybe I'll get back to it after Bloodline
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Post by sooner2 on Dec 14, 2016 18:05:08 GMT -5
Threw in peaky blinders last night. Put me to sleep but it was pretty good Christ, I totally forgot about that show. I watched the first couple seasons. Liked it quite a bit. Then I watched the first episode of season 3 a good while back and................nothing. Not sure what happened there Guess I just lost interest on fricken dime. Not sure what the show did wrong, if anything. Maybe I'll get back to it after Bloodline I was kinda losing interest for PB in season 2. I thought I'd give s3 a try however. It's pretty good. A very interesting cast of complex Russian ex pat characters. Obvious villains within portions of the secret Service. Our main character and family caught in between . The plot and deals made are actually quite a bit more complex and itwined than some of the past seasons. The ending is also a it of a shock. I thought the season was worth sitting through and checking out however. Some quite hilarious scenes as Arthur talks about dreams of leaving the life and moving to America to live on an Indian commune. In short... he marries a British aristocrat woman and gets pressured by British secret service to broker a deal with arrogant unlikeable Russian ex pats to funnel their money to rebels fighting communists in their old country. Or so he thinks. The deal gets changed a few times and things get really sticky for him. He even has to bring in our old friend "the wandering Jew" played by Tom hardy. Some very good scenes with hardy and Arthur. There was a huge amount of Russian ex pats still holding on to frayed linen of their old societal positions and masquerading in the English high society of the time. Much of the dynamics of them running up huge tabs at social clubs and such are not entirely exaggerated. It can be found in much of the literature of the time... such as in books by Waugh. Damn good music as well. Anyway .... I think you'd like it. Just my 2 pence.
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Post by Premier on Dec 14, 2016 18:48:13 GMT -5
I watched one episode of Black Mirror. The pig fucking one and thought it was pretty dumb. Expected so much more, the way people were talking about it. But instead I got something vapid and cheap and really.........British. Let me explain that. I like a lot of British TV, but even the better ones have this very similar feel that makes them unmistakably British. In how they're cut and how they establish scenes, how low budget the scenery and even the camera quality feels. How dull and lazy the music is. It's a big part of why I could never get in to Dr. Who. It all feels so second rate. Like it could be amazing, but they just can't, or won't put more in to it to get it there Give season 3 episode 1 a try. My other favorite is season 1, e3. If you are not hooked by either one of those, then the show is not for you.
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Post by PatSox on Dec 15, 2016 8:43:01 GMT -5
Christ, I totally forgot about that show. I watched the first couple seasons. Liked it quite a bit. Then I watched the first episode of season 3 a good while back and................nothing. Not sure what happened there Guess I just lost interest on fricken dime. Not sure what the show did wrong, if anything. Maybe I'll get back to it after Bloodline I was kinda losing interest for PB in season 2. I thought I'd give s3 a try however. It's pretty good. A very interesting cast of complex Russian ex pat characters. Obvious villains within portions of the secret Service. Our main character and family caught in between . The plot and deals made are actually quite a bit more complex and itwined than some of the past seasons. The ending is also a it of a shock. I thought the season was worth sitting through and checking out however. Some quite hilarious scenes as Arthur talks about dreams of leaving the life and moving to America to live on an Indian commune. In short... he marries a British aristocrat woman and gets pressured by British secret service to broker a deal with arrogant unlikeable Russian ex pats to funnel their money to rebels fighting communists in their old country. Or so he thinks. The deal gets changed a few times and things get really sticky for him. He even has to bring in our old friend "the wandering Jew" played by Tom hardy. Some very good scenes with hardy and Arthur. There was a huge amount of Russian ex pats still holding on to frayed linen of their old societal positions and masquerading in the English high society of the time. Much of the dynamics of them running up huge tabs at social clubs and such are not entirely exaggerated. It can be found in much of the literature of the time... such as in books by Waugh. Damn good music as well. Anyway .... I think you'd like it. Just my 2 pence. The music actually always bugged me. Didn't seem to fit To many British shows go for that Guy Richie style of slapdash editing and loud obnoxious music. Peaky Blinders is weird because it does that....SOMEtimes. Things will be moving along and then out of the blue you get this thrown in scene of the boys sitting around drinking, holding up their glasses and yelling, with some trollop on their lap and this fucking macho blues music blaring. And then bam, full stop, right back to the story again. It's jarringly weird when they do that
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Post by sooner2 on Dec 15, 2016 9:46:20 GMT -5
True ... the sudden chops to loud blaring music can sometimes be abrupt. And yes, there are times when it reeks of guy ritchie. For instance, there is a particular scene this season when four women decide to go "on strike", and there is a blaring musical score with them strutting slo mo in the street like the reservoir dogs opening. That particular scene was indeed forced.
However, often those type scenes with obviously anachronistic music show us a bit of a universality of "boys will be boys, no matter what the era" themes. Often they can be used to good effect; not just in shows like PB, but in other film projects. The hip hop scene with "hundred dollar bill" song in the gatsby remake and the new order scene in Marie Antionette come to mind.
This season, music was used reasonably well in a decadent party scene with the Birmingham gang and the Russians. And it was also a Leonard cohen song ... so I was ok with any abruptness that went along with it. It works for me; but not for everyone.
Again... we all choose what we spend our increasingly limited time viewing. I like that we still have forums such as this to filter through and look into new choices to watch.
I for one appreciated your suggestions on cop car and on blue something or other last year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 10:28:20 GMT -5
Watch episode 2 last night. Fell asleep about 10 min into it.
At this rate I won't be finishing the show but I will be getting in some amazing sleep time. I'll take it!
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Post by PatSox on Dec 15, 2016 10:47:59 GMT -5
True ... the sudden chops to loud blaring music can sometimes be abrupt. And yes, there are times when it reeks of guy ritchie. For instance, there is a particular scene this season when four women decide to go "on strike", and there is a blaring musical score with them strutting slo mo in the street like the reservoir dogs opening. That particular scene was indeed forced. However, often those type scenes with obviously anachronistic music show us a bit of a universality of "boys will be boys, no matter what the era" themes. Often they can be used to good effect; not just in shows like PB, but in other film projects. The hip hop scene with "hundred dollar bill" song in the gatsby remake and the new order scene in Marie Antionette come to mind. This season, music was used reasonably well in a decadent party scene with the Birmingham gang and the Russians. And it was also a Leonard cohen song ... so I was ok with any abruptness that went along with it. It works for me; but not for everyone. Again... we all choose what we spend our increasingly limited time viewing. I like that we still have forums such as this to filter through and look into new choices to watch. I for one appreciated your suggestions on cop car and on blue something or other last year. Blue Ruin? Yeah, that was a good one. Seems like every year there's one gem of a movie set in some rural southern area, that mostly takes place in cars. Blue Ruin in 2014, Cop Car in 2015 and Hell or High Water this year. Highly HIGHLY recommend that last one, by the way. Still the best movie of 2016, so far, for me
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Post by PatSox on Jan 11, 2017 17:26:17 GMT -5
So ummm....Taboo is fucking AWESOME!!!! 20 minutes in to the first episode I was hooked. And by the end of the episode I was so in it's not even funny. Once you see the scene between Tom Hardy and Jonathan Pryce and the rest of the elite from the East India Trading Company, I think you will be fully in as well. It is chilling The show has that underlying hauntedness and overall sheen of quality that I love. And the story it's telling is absolutely fascinating. I can tell this is going to be one to remember
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 19:09:25 GMT -5
We've completely revamped our TV routine. I finally got around to getting Netflix when I learned I could access it through the Amazon Fire Stick thing. Watched the second season of The Man In The High Castle. I love that show. Really kept my interest so far.
Once that was done we watched Goliath. Billy Bob Thornton does a good job in that one as well. The show is pretty much about his performance, and how well he does with it. Solid story.
Moved on and caught Stranger Things, and I think the hype was deserved. I really enjoyed that one well. Nostalgia all over the place. Looking forward to the second season. Liked the D&D in there as well, because that really reminded me of my childhood buddies.
Then we watched The OA. That show was a trip. I still have no idea WTF I watched or where the hell they're going, but wherever it is- I'll watch another season of that.
Just finished the second season of House Of Cards last night. Taking a break from that. Seems like a good place to stop for now, he's President, no one knows what he's gonna do but: I see that shit on the news every night right now anyway, so I'd rather escape reality a bit.
Starting Sense8 tonight.
However thanks to you guys I also have Bloodline and Narcos on my list. Going to head to bed now and see if Sense8 is going to make the cut.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 19:10:28 GMT -5
So ummm....Taboo is fucking AWESOME!!!! 20 minutes in to the first episode I was hooked. And by the end of the episode I was so in it's not even funny. Once you see the scene between Tom Hardy and Jonathan Pryce and the rest of the elite from the East India Trading Company, I think you will be fully in as well. It is chilling The show has that underlying hauntedness and overall sheen of quality that I love. And the story it's telling is absolutely fascinating. I can tell this is going to be one to remember That already started? Damn. I'm gonna have to see if I can get FX on the stick. It's recording on the DVR downstairs though so if I can't see it upstairs I'll catch it in the spring when I come back downstairs to watch TV again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 0:10:51 GMT -5
What is taboo about? It has looked pretty cool but I still don't even know what it is abiut.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 0:01:49 GMT -5
I decided I needed to watch a show on a weekly basis, because all I ever watch is news and sports while I do paperwork at night. Picked Alone season 3, and I really like it so far. I don't think I would last very long out there, after taxes they only get $250k and there is no way in hell I would be away from my kids and wife that long.
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Post by Angelo on Jan 13, 2017 0:33:00 GMT -5
I decided I needed to watch a show on a weekly basis, because all I ever watch is news and sports while I do paperwork at night. Picked Alone season 3, and I really like it so far. I don't think I would last very long out there, after taxes they only get $250k and there is no way in hell I would be away from my kids and wife that long. What kinda show do you want?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 10:12:04 GMT -5
I decided I needed to watch a show on a weekly basis, because all I ever watch is news and sports while I do paperwork at night. Picked Alone season 3, and I really like it so far. I don't think I would last very long out there, after taxes they only get $250k and there is no way in hell I would be away from my kids and wife that long. What kinda show do you want? I don't even care about watching shows, especially acted shows. My wife said I should pick something and try to get in to it on a weekly basis. I would be fine watching news/baseball/hockey or nothing at all. I don't have any real interest in spending too much time just watching t.v.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2017 10:45:49 GMT -5
Started black mirror last night. I'll fuck with it. Interesting.
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Post by Canuklehead on Jan 13, 2017 10:50:04 GMT -5
Started black mirror last night. I'll fuck with it. Interesting. I binged through all of those a couple weeks ago, really cool show. A couple of the episodes were weak but I guess that is to be expected. I really enjoyed how each episode stood alone and didn't have anything to do with the others.
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Post by Angelo on Jan 13, 2017 15:51:39 GMT -5
What kinda show do you want? I don't even care about watching shows, especially acted shows. My wife said I should pick something and try to get in to it on a weekly basis. I would be fine watching news/baseball/hockey or nothing at all. I don't have any real interest in spending too much time just watching t.v. Maybe The Blacklist? For James Spader's character alone. American Gods is coming up soon
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