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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 19:48:08 GMT -5
I officially don't like Conor anymore. Of course he's done more in MMA than Khabib, but he's lost and Khabib hasn't, and there's pretty much no way to call that a bad performance. I mean few score cards have been more lopsided than that one in UFC history. It's one thing if he talks shit and then comes back and fights, but I don't think he's going to. He's going to ask for a ridiculous amount of money and if he doesn't get it he won't fight him. I mean is Conor REALLY worth more than any UFC fighter in history? I don't think he's worth more than GSP or Silva or Jones. He needs to come back and fight Khabib. www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/1/1/16838558/conor-mcgregor-khabib-nurmagomedov-ufc-219-performance-dog-shit-mma-news
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Post by TheStorm on Jan 1, 2018 20:08:13 GMT -5
I officially don't like Conor anymore. Of course he's done more in MMA than Khabib, but he's lost and Khabib hasn't, and there's pretty much no way to call that a bad performance. I mean few score cards have been more lopsided than that one in UFC history. It's one thing if he talks shit and then comes back and fights, but I don't think he's going to. He's going to ask for a ridiculous amount of money and if he doesn't get it he won't fight him. I mean is Conor REALLY worth more than any UFC fighter in history? I don't think he's worth more than GSP or Silva or Jones. He needs to come back and fight Khabib. www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/1/1/16838558/conor-mcgregor-khabib-nurmagomedov-ufc-219-performance-dog-shit-mma-newsJust look at Conor’s social media following. He has 22 million damn followers on Instagram. He brings a FUCK TON of viewers to his fight. Damn near a whole country. Stadiums are filled with Irish flags when he fights, of course he deserves more money than any of those guys. You think too ethically, Toe. This is a business, money generates more money. Also, Conor has gotten to where he has by talking, he’s accomplished FAR more than Khabib and can say whatever the fuck he wants about him in my opinion. Is he going to back it up? Probably not, but does anyone actually doubt that he would?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 20:37:56 GMT -5
Conor is literally worth 20 Khabibs. Maybe more. Should not even be a question in anyone's mind. Khabib has what...189 twitter followers?
Conor sells out places. 90% of fans don't even know who Khabib is.
Wait a sec, did I just fall for a troll attempt? Feel like this isn't even debate able?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2018 20:38:30 GMT -5
I officially don't like Conor anymore. Of course he's done more in MMA than Khabib, but he's lost and Khabib hasn't, and there's pretty much no way to call that a bad performance. I mean few score cards have been more lopsided than that one in UFC history. It's one thing if he talks shit and then comes back and fights, but I don't think he's going to. He's going to ask for a ridiculous amount of money and if he doesn't get it he won't fight him. I mean is Conor REALLY worth more than any UFC fighter in history? I don't think he's worth more than GSP or Silva or Jones. He needs to come back and fight Khabib. www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/1/1/16838558/conor-mcgregor-khabib-nurmagomedov-ufc-219-performance-dog-shit-mma-newsJust look at Conor’s social media following. He has 22 million damn followers on Instagram. He brings a FUCK TON of viewers to his fight. Damn near a whole country. Stadiums are filled with Irish flags when he fights, of course he deserves more money than any of those guys. You think too ethically, Toe. This is a business, money generates more money. Also, Conor has gotten to where he has by talking, he’s accomplished FAR more than Khabib and can say whatever the fuck he wants about him in my opinion. Is he going to back it up? Probably not, but does anyone actually doubt that he would? Well yeah I mean I can understand why he deserves more money for selling more tickets but what's annoying about it is that 1) he probably won't fight Khabib 2) he KNOWS Khabib looked amazing. I mean I'm not necessarily expecting fighters not to talk shit but come on, I don't see what that accomplishes and it just sounds stupid to me. Will more people REALLY tune in to see the fight IF it happens cause Conor said that? Maybe marginally but probably not much. It's just stupid because he could have talked shit and said he'd smash Khabib and will if the money is right or whatever, but to go the extra step of saying it was a bad performance just comes off as plain stupid to me because we all know how impressive it was. That and that it just pisses me off when fighters get to a point where they go off and start doing other shit like boxing and movies and never end up defending their titles. The guy has two of them and I don't think he'll ever defend the 145lb title and I don't know if he'll defend the 155lb one either. I think whether or not he gets the money he wants he should be given an ultimatum of a certain amount of time with which to defend or he's stripped...which I am sure will happen if he doesn't fight.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 1, 2018 21:23:55 GMT -5
UFC’s fault. Idiots.
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Post by boboplata on Jan 1, 2018 21:34:50 GMT -5
Wouldn't have happened if the Fertitas were calling the shot. Wme-img are desperate for a star even if it costs them control.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jan 1, 2018 23:07:29 GMT -5
I know he's a draw but I don't care. This beg me" crap is ridiculous... Did he beg Dana so he could box? There should have been an understanding, we let you box and you defend your title as soon as fucking possible. Two titles and has yet to defend one. Of course he was stripped of his FW but point is he never defended any title. No one should be begging, he should be wanting to prove he can defend one of his belts.
Very impressive win for Khabib... And I wouldn't be rushing to fight Khabib if I was Conor. He knows he'd get rag dolled.
And no way Tony passes up his opportunity at a red panty night. Especially considering what happened last time he was scheduled to fight Khabib. Conor would have to be stripped for Tony to fight Khabib.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jan 2, 2018 13:00:28 GMT -5
It's marketing, fellas. All part of fight hype in case they fight.
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Post by slaytan on Jan 2, 2018 19:40:21 GMT -5
I officially don't like Conor anymore. Of course he's done more in MMA than Khabib, but he's lost and Khabib hasn't, and there's pretty much no way to call that a bad performance. I mean few score cards have been more lopsided than that one in UFC history. It's one thing if he talks shit and then comes back and fights, but I don't think he's going to. He's going to ask for a ridiculous amount of money and if he doesn't get it he won't fight him. I mean is Conor REALLY worth more than any UFC fighter in history? I don't think he's worth more than GSP or Silva or Jones. He needs to come back and fight Khabib. www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/1/1/16838558/conor-mcgregor-khabib-nurmagomedov-ufc-219-performance-dog-shit-mma-newsJust look at Conor’s social media following. He has 22 million damn followers on Instagram. He brings a FUCK TON of viewers to his fight. Damn near a whole country. Stadiums are filled with Irish flags when he fights, of course he deserves more money than any of those guys. You think too ethically, Toe. This is a business, money generates more money.Also, Conor has gotten to where he has by talking, he’s accomplished FAR more than Khabib and can say whatever the fuck he wants about him in my opinion. Is he going to back it up? Probably not, but does anyone actually doubt that he would? It would not be more ethical to pay guys who sell 12 ppvs and go to decision as much as guys who sell a million ppvs
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Post by peAk on Jan 3, 2018 0:09:19 GMT -5
Wouldn't have happened if the Fertitas were calling the shot. Wme-img are desperate for a star even if it costs them control. To be fair, the Fertitas were pretty fucking supportive of Conor and definitely seemed on the Conor wagon. Some could even argue that without Conor they would not have been able to sell for the 4 billion. While I agree that WME is desperate for a star, I think the Fertitas were as well.
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Post by boboplata on Jan 3, 2018 7:04:08 GMT -5
Wouldn't have happened if the Fertitas were calling the shot. Wme-img are desperate for a star even if it costs them control. To be fair, the Fertitas were pretty fucking supportive of Conor and definitely seemed on the Conor wagon. Some could even argue that without Conor they would not have been able to sell for the 4 billion. While I agree that WME is desperate for a star, I think the Fertitas were as well. They could always force Holly to cut to 125 and get another undeserved title shot. Also, jackson-wink is on a 22(23?)fight losing)streak. Lol!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 15:38:41 GMT -5
Just look at Conor’s social media following. He has 22 million damn followers on Instagram. He brings a FUCK TON of viewers to his fight. Damn near a whole country. Stadiums are filled with Irish flags when he fights, of course he deserves more money than any of those guys. You think too ethically, Toe. This is a business, money generates more money.Also, Conor has gotten to where he has by talking, he’s accomplished FAR more than Khabib and can say whatever the fuck he wants about him in my opinion. Is he going to back it up? Probably not, but does anyone actually doubt that he would? It would not be more ethical to pay guys who sell 12 ppvs and go to decision as much as guys who sell a million ppvs I agree, I just don't like what Conor said and I also think he needs to be stripped if he doesn't defend before a certain date. He can try to ask for as much money as he wants, but if the UFC won't give it to him and he won't defend then he can't keep the belt.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 3, 2018 15:45:21 GMT -5
Fuck all this BS.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Jan 3, 2018 15:50:44 GMT -5
Conor is in control. He can do whatever he wants. He can say whatever he wants. He is doing and saying whatever he wants.
Imagine Conor vs Khabib is Russia... that would be GIGANTIC.
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Post by adamg01 on Jan 3, 2018 18:19:27 GMT -5
When you are by far the highest paid mma fighter on the planet, it’s really hard for me to criticize the methods.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 18:58:49 GMT -5
Conor is in control. He can do whatever he wants. He can say whatever he wants. He is doing and saying whatever he wants. Imagine Conor vs Khabib is Russia... that would be GIGANTIC. Would it be though? I know Rogan said it would on his podcast... But I'm not buying that Khabib has some crazy Russian following. Dude has never main evented a UFC ever, No?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:36:04 GMT -5
Conor is in control. He can do whatever he wants. He can say whatever he wants. He is doing and saying whatever he wants. Imagine Conor vs Khabib is Russia... that would be GIGANTIC. Well, he can't really do whatever he wants because there's only so much the UFC will be willing to pay him and if he doesn't eventually fight they'll have no choice but to strip him of the title. But chances are he can get paid more than most fighters and probably will eventually defend the title I'm guessing. In the end though, there's no question that the UFC is more "in control" than Conor is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 21:37:34 GMT -5
When you are by far the highest paid mma fighter on the planet, it’s really hard for me to criticize the methods. Yeah, I mean he's just trying to sell the fight. I don't believe for one second that he wasn't actually impressed by Khabib's performance, and honestly I don't think he'd have had an easier time with Barboza than Khabib did. I just hope it eventually happens, but I'm just as interested in Khabib/Ferguson was either of them fighting Conor.
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Post by adamg01 on Jan 3, 2018 22:48:23 GMT -5
I’d be surprised if Conor jumps in there with such a beast grappler. He isn’t going to ignore the call out without a comeback either way though. He def matches up better with Tony which is also a dangerous fight.
The ufc should find an absolute can and feed to Penn. Hopefully Penn crushes the can in style then call out Conor. The casual fans get a huge name. The trash talk is epic and Conor brutalizes him so the UFC keeps their only real cash cow making money in a safe fight. Both get HUGE paydays, the UFC makes big.
Only the die hard fans will realize what just happened. I’m talking out my ass of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 23:16:08 GMT -5
I’d be surprised if Conor jumps in there with such a beast grappler. He isn’t going to ignore the call out without a comeback either way though. He def matches up better with Tony which is also a dangerous fight. The ufc should find an absolute can and feed to Penn. Hopefully Penn crushes the can in style then call out Conor. The casual fans get a huge name. The trash talk is epic and Conor brutalizes him so the UFC keeps their only real cash cow making money in a safe fight. Both get HUGE paydays, the UFC makes big. Only the die hard fans will realize what just happened. I’m talking out my ass of course. LOL at a BJ vs Conor fight. If you went back in time and took BJ from 2004 straight after shocking the world with his win over Hughes and put him against Conor now that would be a money fight...only about 14 years too late... I guess that is one thing they have in common in their abilities to have won more than one belt.
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Post by peAk on Jan 4, 2018 0:21:13 GMT -5
if I'm Conor, ain't no way in hell I am jumping in there with Tony or Khabib. Too much to lose, too little to gain...regardless if he truly believes he can beat them or not.
Right now, even with the Mayweather loss, he's at the top. The Fucking Top. He can do whatever (movies, boxing, WWE, you name it) he wants.
If he goes in there and gets smashed by Tony or Khabib, two guys that, outside hardcore MMA fans, nobody knows, his stock is really going to take a hit.
Maybe it will be worth the risk if the UFC pays him 20-30 million for the fight but I don't see them doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 1:31:16 GMT -5
They keep saying no, but you know they want it.
And I'm pretty sure a few of us have already called this awhile back. It's coming. GSP vs Conor.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Jan 4, 2018 10:37:32 GMT -5
Conor is in control. He can do whatever he wants. He can say whatever he wants. He is doing and saying whatever he wants. Imagine Conor vs Khabib is Russia... that would be GIGANTIC. Would it be though? I know Rogan said it would on his podcast... But I'm not buying that Khabib has some crazy Russian following. Dude has never main evented a UFC ever, No? I think it would just for the fact that it would be the first time the UFC went there, and MMA is huge is Russia.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 16:21:41 GMT -5
Is mma really that huge in Russia though?
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Jan 4, 2018 17:36:34 GMT -5
Is mma really that huge in Russia though? You ever hear of a guy named Fedor Emelianenko? M-1 Global is based in St. Petersburg, Russia and it's pretty big from what I understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 17:44:53 GMT -5
Is mma really that huge in Russia though? You ever hear of a guy named Fedor Emelianenko? M-1 Global is based in St. Petersburg, Russia and it's pretty big from what I understand. And he's fought maybe...once (?)in Russia in the past 18 years?
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Jan 4, 2018 18:01:19 GMT -5
So it looks like 'Fight Nights Global' is the big MMA promotion over there. Most of their fights are held in Moscow. A lot of big names from the UFC came from there including Arlovski, Joanna, Fedor, and Maldonaldo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 18:02:58 GMT -5
Lol!
Huge!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 1:18:08 GMT -5
if I'm Conor, ain't no way in hell I am jumping in there with Tony or Khabib. Too much to lose, too little to gain...regardless if he truly believes he can beat them or not. Right now, even with the Mayweather loss, he's at the top. The Fucking Top. He can do whatever (movies, boxing, WWE, you name it) he wants. If he goes in there and gets smashed by Tony or Khabib, two guys that, outside hardcore MMA fans, nobody knows, his stock is really going to take a hit. Maybe it will be worth the risk if the UFC pays him 20-30 million for the fight but I don't see them doing it. So then who do you thinking he'd be willing to fight other than GSP? I say that because that seems to be the obvious answer everyone has as to who he'd think was worth the money (even though I've never heard Conor say he wants to fight him) but that's ONE guy and that might not ever happen. ONE guy doesn't cut it. So what, do you guys think Conor is essentially going to leave the UFC and retire or some shit? Cause I don't think he will. Obviously he wants to try to get a big pay day, but at the end of the day there just aren't many guys in the UFC who can fight that have name value for him. Eventually, he'll be forced to make a choice to either continue to fight for the UFC and take fights with typical contenders like Khabib and Tony or retire. The UFC doesn't have a million GSP/Anderson types of fights for him. It's time for him to make a choice as to whether or not he actually gives a shit about being a REAL FIGHTER anymore or just a fucking diva. What pisses me off is that obviously Conor is ONE of the GOATs with being the first to hold two belts at once and all the fights he's won, but he's not IMO the absolute GOAT who's the greatest all time MMA fighter, and there ARE guys who can seriously threaten him or possibly beat him like Khabib or Tony. Through some combo of having great skills and being able to market himself he's managed to convince everyone that he alone is untouchable in the MMA world when IMO that's just not true. The UFC has had a lot of GOATS from GSP to Anderson to BJ to Jones and Conor is NOT IMO head and shoulders above all of them. All of those guys (minus Jones) have lost, and Conor is not above losing either. Shit, even someone like Frankie Edgar would probably go out there and give him all he can handle if not possibly beat him. He's not the uber-MMA King he thinks he is.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 5, 2018 8:41:42 GMT -5
Diaz > Conor
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