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Post by locogato11283 on Oct 7, 2017 23:34:06 GMT -5
KLEE is slowly fading.
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Post by HankPNW on Oct 7, 2017 23:39:09 GMT -5
This is an interim title fight? When was that announced? Did Conor say he wasn't coming back or something?
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Post by peAk on Oct 7, 2017 23:42:41 GMT -5
"McNugget"?
What, are we 12 years old?
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Post by peAk on Oct 7, 2017 23:44:12 GMT -5
I don't know, I think Tony's chin is out there for Conor's taking
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Post by locogato11283 on Oct 7, 2017 23:45:28 GMT -5
Conor beats Tony, but it might be a good fight for a couple rounds.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 23:46:36 GMT -5
That was a good fight and a great performance by Ferguson.
His guard is really sick and how an MMA guard should be, and for everyone who's always saying joint locks don't happen much in MMA anymore, Werdum got an armbar earlier and Ferugson nearly got one on Lee.
I really want to see Ferguson vs both Connor and Khabib, and if Connor actually does fight Fergusson I think Tony will take it.
I don't really know how they let Lee fight with a staph infection though.
That shit is highly contagious and can be lethal at times.
I mean seriously, what do the doctors do regarding that stuff?
You shouldn't be allowed to fight with a highly contagious and often life threatening infection!!!
All it takes is some blood transfer (of which there is obviously plenty) and you need immediate antibiotics.
I would think docs wouldn't allow someone with MRSA to fight.
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Post by Premier on Oct 7, 2017 23:47:11 GMT -5
Alright. Go El Cuco.
Spanish slang fact: You guys know "El Cucuy" means The Boogeyman in Spanish. But that's how Mexicans say it. We Dominicans say "El Cuco". Pronounced "El coo-coo".
Doesn't "El Cuco" sounds scarier than "El Cucuy'?
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Post by Premier on Oct 7, 2017 23:48:56 GMT -5
This is an interim title fight? When was that announced? Did Conor say he wasn't coming back or something? It became an interim title when it was clear Conor was fighting Mayweather....thus Conor being away for a while.
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Post by Premier on Oct 7, 2017 23:52:55 GMT -5
That was a good fight and a great performance by Ferguson. His guard is really sick and how an MMA guard should be, and for everyone who's always saying joint locks don't happen much in MMA anymore, Werdum got an armbar earlier and Ferugson nearly got one on Lee. I really want to see Ferguson vs both Connor and Khabib, and if Connor actually does fight Fergusson I think Tony will take it. I don't really know how they let Lee fight with a staph infection though. That shit is highly contagious and can be lethal at times. I mean seriously, what do the doctors do regarding that stuff? You shouldn't be allowed to fight with a highly contagious and often life threatening infection!!! All it takes is some blood transfer (of which there is obviously plenty) and you need immediate antibiotics. I would think docs wouldn't allow someone with MRSA to fight. Right? I've always heard about staph being super contagious...that you can get it by just rolling in the same mat as someone that's infected. So how can they allow a dude possibly rubbing against you for 3 or 5 rounds?
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Post by 3xhile on Oct 7, 2017 23:53:53 GMT -5
IMO Tony is a tough match up for Conor. He is taller, durable as hell and he has stamina for days. If Conor can't get him out of there before the 3rd round or so we all know what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 23:56:26 GMT -5
Alright. Go El Cuco. Spanish slang fact: You guys know "El Cucuy" means The Boogeyman in Spanish. But that's how Mexicans say it. We Dominicans say "El Cuco". Pronounced "El coo-coo". Doesn't "El Cuco" sounds scarier than "El Cucuy'? Just a weird thought I was having the other day about language: When I was watching the Tough Guys documentary one of the old brawlers who was native American said that when it comes to the word "coup" for political uprisings, which means to secretly take political power or touch an enemy's body without causing injury, that it comes from an old native American tradition where a man can take another man's spirit to fight using a special ritual. It's like basically a stare down kind of thing, where you use ritual and body language to take someone's spirit to fight before ever fighting. So I started to guess that maybe the spanish word for boogeyman "el cucuy" could be linked to the same French word "coup" for basically taking someone's soul without touching someone, since that is sort of what the boogeyman might do. I bet I'm right, since Spanish and French are closely related, and Native Americans took and gave a lot of influence to the Spanish invaders, and also, a lot of French were influenced in their language by both Africans and Native Americans in Haiti and New Orleans where there was Voodoo, which probably had similar ideas with black magic. Just a guess, but I bet I'm right. I tutor ESL so I geek out on language sometimes lol.
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Post by Premier on Oct 8, 2017 1:01:29 GMT -5
Alright. Go El Cuco. Spanish slang fact: You guys know "El Cucuy" means The Boogeyman in Spanish. But that's how Mexicans say it. We Dominicans say "El Cuco". Pronounced "El coo-coo". Doesn't "El Cuco" sounds scarier than "El Cucuy'? Just a weird thought I was having the other day about language: When I was watching the Tough Guys documentary one of the old brawlers who was native American said that when it comes to the word "coup" for political uprisings, which means to secretly take political power or touch an enemy's body without causing injury, that it comes from an old native American tradition where a man can take another man's spirit to fight using a special ritual. It's like basically a stare down kind of thing, where you use ritual and body language to take someone's spirit to fight before ever fighting. So I started to guess that maybe the spanish word for boogeyman "el cucuy" could be linked to the same French word "coup" for basically taking someone's soul without touching someone, since that is sort of what the boogeyman might do. I bet I'm right, since Spanish and French are closely related, and Native Americans took and gave a lot of influence to the Spanish invaders, and also, a lot of French were influenced in their language by both Africans and Native Americans in Haiti and New Orleans where there was Voodoo, which probably had similar ideas with black magic. Just a guess, but I bet I'm right. Not to be all Jackel with you, but here is a pretty good breakdown on wiki: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_(folklore)To my surprise, the article gets a little deep/too serious about the origin and emitology. To us Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and Cubans ( the most prominent Spanish speaking Caribbean countries), its just a child's tale. Something you tell a small child to make him stop misbehaving: "El Cuco is going to get you".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 1:06:42 GMT -5
Just a weird thought I was having the other day about language: When I was watching the Tough Guys documentary one of the old brawlers who was native American said that when it comes to the word "coup" for political uprisings, which means to secretly take political power or touch an enemy's body without causing injury, that it comes from an old native American tradition where a man can take another man's spirit to fight using a special ritual. It's like basically a stare down kind of thing, where you use ritual and body language to take someone's spirit to fight before ever fighting. So I started to guess that maybe the spanish word for boogeyman "el cucuy" could be linked to the same French word "coup" for basically taking someone's soul without touching someone, since that is sort of what the boogeyman might do. I bet I'm right, since Spanish and French are closely related, and Native Americans took and gave a lot of influence to the Spanish invaders, and also, a lot of French were influenced in their language by both Africans and Native Americans in Haiti and New Orleans where there was Voodoo, which probably had similar ideas with black magic. Just a guess, but I bet I'm right. Not to be all Jackel with you, but here is a pretty good breakdown on wiki: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_(folklore)To my surprise, the article gets a little deep/too serious about the origin and emitology. To us Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and Cubans ( the most prominent Spanish speaking Caribbean countries), its just a child's tale. Something you tell a small child to make him stop misbehaving: "El Cuco is going to get you". I'm drunk so I'll look at that more later but it already looks really cool and they include Brazilian interpretations. I like all weird mythology about monsters and shit. It doesn't seem to mention the "coup" reference, but I don't know if that random guy on the tough man doc. was even right about that, though he might be. It's very interesting and I book marked it to look at later. I bet many cultures have some form of the boogey man.
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Post by Premier on Oct 8, 2017 1:15:36 GMT -5
Closing thoughts on DJ:
I am so glad he had an impressive finish tonight. Regardless of what you think of him, dude is going to be in the record books ahead of legends like Anderson and GSP. Its a shame that above average fans like my wife( see my earlier post) don't know about him. Especially if the reason is that "smaller guys just don't sell that much". I heard about him playing it safe but with 16 finishes out of 27 wins, that might not be a valid argument.
I can't claim to be his biggest fan, but glad that tonights finish along with the record will up his stock. Dude will be in the GOAT conversation for years to come.
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Post by Premier on Oct 8, 2017 1:18:34 GMT -5
Not to be all Jackel with you, but here is a pretty good breakdown on wiki: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coco_(folklore)To my surprise, the article gets a little deep/too serious about the origin and emitology. To us Dominicans, Puerto Ricans and Cubans ( the most prominent Spanish speaking Caribbean countries), its just a child's tale. Something you tell a small child to make him stop misbehaving: "El Cuco is going to get you". I'm drunk so I'll look at that more later but it already looks really cool and they include Brazilian interpretations. I like all weird mythology about monsters and shit. It doesn't seem to mention the "coup" reference, but I don't know if that random guy on the tough man doc. was even right about that, though he might be. It's very interesting and I book marked it to look at later. I bet many cultures have some form of the boogey man. Check it out tomorrow. But the one thing I can tell you is that as a native Spanish speaker and someone that is familiar with the term, the "coup" reference doesn't make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 1:59:51 GMT -5
I'm drunk so I'll look at that more later but it already looks really cool and they include Brazilian interpretations. I like all weird mythology about monsters and shit. It doesn't seem to mention the "coup" reference, but I don't know if that random guy on the tough man doc. was even right about that, though he might be. It's very interesting and I book marked it to look at later. I bet many cultures have some form of the boogey man. Check it out tomorrow. But the one thing I can tell you is that as a native Spanish speaker and someone that is familiar with the term, the "coup" reference doesn't make sense. I will. It's not like the random biker in the documentary was some language expert lol. I just heard his reference and started wondering about it, but it could very likely be complete bullshit. I've tried to learn Spanish over the years but still can't speak barely any at all lol, and many of the kids I work with speak Spanish, particularly a lot of Dominicans as well.
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Post by daywork on Oct 8, 2017 10:16:53 GMT -5
Closing thoughts on DJ: I am so glad he had an impressive finish tonight. Regardless of what you think of him, dude is going to be in the record books ahead of legends like Anderson and GSP. Its a shame that above average fans like my wife( see my earlier post) don't know about him. Especially if the reason is that "smaller guys just don't sell that much". I heard about him playing it safe but with 16 finishes out of 27 wins, that might not be a valid argument. I can't claim to be his biggest fan, but glad that tonights finish along with the record will up his stock. Dude will be in the GOAT conversation for years to come. He shouldn't have ducked TJ. Didn't he say he would retire if they made him fight TJ? or something like that.
That is straight up ducking, Saying TJ has to be able to make the weight 1st before the fight could be set (LOL Ronda said the same shit about Cyborg).
I had the fights on, but really didn't pay attention to any of the fights. I watched a couple minutes of the main event. Playing Car Mechanic simulator was more eventful for me.
I think I have become a casual fan ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 17:56:54 GMT -5
Closing thoughts on DJ: I am so glad he had an impressive finish tonight. Regardless of what you think of him, dude is going to be in the record books ahead of legends like Anderson and GSP. Its a shame that above average fans like my wife( see my earlier post) don't know about him. Especially if the reason is that "smaller guys just don't sell that much". I heard about him playing it safe but with 16 finishes out of 27 wins, that might not be a valid argument. I can't claim to be his biggest fan, but glad that tonights finish along with the record will up his stock. Dude will be in the GOAT conversation for years to come. He shouldn't have ducked TJ. Didn't he say he would retire if they made him fight TJ? or something like that.
That is straight up ducking, Saying TJ has to be able to make the weight 1st before the fight could be set (LOL Ronda said the same shit about Cyborg).
I had the fights on, but really didn't pay attention to any of the fights. I watched a couple minutes of the main event. Playing Car Mechanic simulator was more eventful for me.
I think I have become a casual fan ...
I definitely have. I watched some prelims and enjoyed them but haven't seen a PPV in I don't know how long. I didn't even watch the Ferguson fight on YouTube, found myself fast forwarding to the ending, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 18:15:24 GMT -5
Last night was good reminder that armbars can still work at the highest level of MMA with DJ and Werdum both landing one and Ferguson coming very close to getting one on Lee.
People had been saying for a while that armbars and joint locks don't happen in high level MMA anymore, and while they don't happen nearly as often as they used to, obviously they do still work.
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Post by HumanAgent on Oct 8, 2017 20:04:16 GMT -5
They don't happen that often. They are easy to defend.
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Post by Premier on Oct 8, 2017 21:18:34 GMT -5
Closing thoughts on DJ: I am so glad he had an impressive finish tonight. Regardless of what you think of him, dude is going to be in the record books ahead of legends like Anderson and GSP. Its a shame that above average fans like my wife( see my earlier post) don't know about him. Especially if the reason is that "smaller guys just don't sell that much". I heard about him playing it safe but with 16 finishes out of 27 wins, that might not be a valid argument. I can't claim to be his biggest fan, but glad that tonights finish along with the record will up his stock. Dude will be in the GOAT conversation for years to come. He shouldn't have ducked TJ. Didn't he say he would retire if they made him fight TJ? or something like that.
That is straight up ducking, Saying TJ has to be able to make the weight 1st before the fight could be set (LOL Ronda said the same shit about Cyborg).
I had the fights on, but really didn't pay attention to any of the fights. I watched a couple minutes of the main event. Playing Car Mechanic simulator was more eventful for me.
I think I have become a casual fan ...
I didn't know about that TJ thing. But still, that doesn't take away from what he has accomplished. But yeah, bitch move. I was wondering where you were last night. No bets?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 23:53:45 GMT -5
They don't happen that often. They are easy to defend. Easy for you? Black belts armbar me in training lol...not MMA but in BJJ without the gi on. Obviously they weren't that easy for Werdum and DJ's opponents. I think they are harder to hit at the level of guys at the UFC, but guys land them and other joint locks CONSTANTLY in low level pro and amateur MMA. Plus, sweat becomes an issue as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 23:54:03 GMT -5
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Post by daywork on Oct 9, 2017 10:56:49 GMT -5
He shouldn't have ducked TJ. Didn't he say he would retire if they made him fight TJ? or something like that.
That is straight up ducking, Saying TJ has to be able to make the weight 1st before the fight could be set (LOL Ronda said the same shit about Cyborg).
I had the fights on, but really didn't pay attention to any of the fights. I watched a couple minutes of the main event. Playing Car Mechanic simulator was more eventful for me.
I think I have become a casual fan ...
I didn't know about that TJ thing. But still, that doesn't take away from what he has accomplished. But yeah, bitch move. I was wondering where you were last night. No bets? Oh, I had bets going on that night. Just not on MMA. I did look at the odds, just couldn't find anyone I wanted to bet on. DJ was like -1100.
DJ also won't win over many fans after he post fight interview either. Basically said he's not going to take any chances if he doesn't need to.
Like I said I was a fan of his, I think he is very very good. I just don't like the way he ducked TJ. I'm not saying he would lose to TJ, I think he has a very good chance to win that fight. But it would be a competitive fight and he wanted nothing to do with that fight. I fought for a fight with someone he was -1100 favorite to win.
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Post by jamesod on Oct 9, 2017 13:07:55 GMT -5
Last night was good reminder that armbars can still work at the highest level of MMA with DJ and Werdum both landing one and Ferguson coming very close to getting one on Lee. People had been saying for a while that armbars and joint locks don't happen in high level MMA anymore, and while they don't happen nearly as often as they used to, obviously they do still work. Werdum was fighting a schlub. DJ is on another level. Besides that, armbars don't happen at the highest levels of MMA. They just don't. We used to see a couple of arm bars every event, and that was back when only the main event was televised. Now you can go four or five months without seeing any in the UFC. This is from an article from 2014: For the first ten years of the UFC from 1993 – 2002 the Arm Bar was responsible for 7.8% of all finishes in the UFC, since then Arm Bar has only been responsible for 3.9% of the finishes in the UFC. In 2012 it was 3.5%, in 2013 it was 2.8% and so far in 2014 the Arm Bar is responsible for less that 1% of finishes in more than 400 fights.
If you don't count women and don't count DJ, how many arm bars can you think of in main even fights in the last two years? Shit, I'll give you all of 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017. How many arm bars that weren't DJ, women, or this one from Werdum against a schlub. Last I remember is Bendo/Pettis, and I think that was from 2013.
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Post by daywork on Oct 9, 2017 14:03:07 GMT -5
Could you find stats on RNC's? They seem to be increasing over the years. It almost seems like the only subs people are going for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 19:52:09 GMT -5
Last night was good reminder that armbars can still work at the highest level of MMA with DJ and Werdum both landing one and Ferguson coming very close to getting one on Lee. People had been saying for a while that armbars and joint locks don't happen in high level MMA anymore, and while they don't happen nearly as often as they used to, obviously they do still work. Werdum was fighting a schlub. DJ is on another level. Besides that, armbars don't happen at the highest levels of MMA. They just don't. We used to see a couple of arm bars every event, and that was back when only the main event was televised. Now you can go four or five months without seeing any in the UFC. This is from an article from 2014: For the first ten years of the UFC from 1993 – 2002 the Arm Bar was responsible for 7.8% of all finishes in the UFC, since then Arm Bar has only been responsible for 3.9% of the finishes in the UFC. In 2012 it was 3.5%, in 2013 it was 2.8% and so far in 2014 the Arm Bar is responsible for less that 1% of finishes in more than 400 fights.
If you don't count women and don't count DJ, how many arm bars can you think of in main even fights in the last two years? Shit, I'll give you all of 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017. How many arm bars that weren't DJ, women, or this one from Werdum against a schlub. Last I remember is Bendo/Pettis, and I think that was from 2013. It is true that they don't happen very often at the highest levels of MMA, but they DO happen quite frequently at lower levels of MMA. Also, I'm not only talking armbars, but any and all joint locks, whether they are varieties of armlocks, kimuras, leg locks of all kinds, etc. There's no question that chokes, particularly rear nakeds and guillotines, and to a lesser extent things like arm triangles and brabos, are the highest percentage subs in MMA, but joint locks do still work, they just seem to be much harder to hit at the highest levels like the UFC and Bellator. I mean an Amateur I know has hit 3 armbars in his last 3 fights in the past year, but again, he's an amateur. So yeah, point taken. I'm just saying they haven't 100% died out.
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Post by jamesod on Oct 10, 2017 8:52:55 GMT -5
Werdum was fighting a schlub. DJ is on another level. Besides that, armbars don't happen at the highest levels of MMA. They just don't. We used to see a couple of arm bars every event, and that was back when only the main event was televised. Now you can go four or five months without seeing any in the UFC. This is from an article from 2014: For the first ten years of the UFC from 1993 – 2002 the Arm Bar was responsible for 7.8% of all finishes in the UFC, since then Arm Bar has only been responsible for 3.9% of the finishes in the UFC. In 2012 it was 3.5%, in 2013 it was 2.8% and so far in 2014 the Arm Bar is responsible for less that 1% of finishes in more than 400 fights.
If you don't count women and don't count DJ, how many arm bars can you think of in main even fights in the last two years? Shit, I'll give you all of 2014, 2015, 2016, and 2017. How many arm bars that weren't DJ, women, or this one from Werdum against a schlub. Last I remember is Bendo/Pettis, and I think that was from 2013. It is true that they don't happen very often at the highest levels of MMA, but they DO happen quite frequently at lower levels of MMA. Also, I'm not only talking armbars, but any and all joint locks, whether they are varieties of armlocks, kimuras, leg locks of all kinds, etc. There's no question that chokes, particularly rear nakeds and guillotines, and to a lesser extent things like arm triangles and brabos, are the highest percentage subs in MMA, but joint locks do still work, they just seem to be much harder to hit at the highest levels like the UFC and Bellator. I mean an Amateur I know has hit 3 armbars in his last 3 fights in the past year, but again, he's an amateur. So yeah, point taken. I'm just saying they haven't 100% died out. You're going to be a much happier person when you finally accept that BJJ is becoming totally and completely irrelevant to MMA. It's not 1998.
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Post by jamesod on Oct 10, 2017 8:57:19 GMT -5
Could you find stats on RNC's? They seem to be increasing over the years. It almost seems like the only subs people are going for. Sure. I'm always happy to google things for you that you could have easily googled yourself. It's what I'm here for. From 2014 (a total of 503 UFC fights): Rear Naked Choke – 44 Submissions Guillotine Choke – 20 Submissions Arm Bar – 8 Submissions Arm Triangle Choke – 6 Submissions Kimura – 5 Submissions Triangle Choke – 3 Submissions Bulldog Choke – 2 Submissions Neck Crank – 2 Submissions
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Post by daywork on Oct 10, 2017 9:27:41 GMT -5
Could you find stats on RNC's? They seem to be increasing over the years. It almost seems like the only subs people are going for. Sure. I'm always happy to google things for you that you could have easily googled yourself. It's what I'm here for. From 2014 (a total of 503 UFC fights): Rear Naked Choke – 44 Submissions Guillotine Choke – 20 Submissions Arm Bar – 8 Submissions Arm Triangle Choke – 6 Submissions Kimura – 5 Submissions Triangle Choke – 3 Submissions Bulldog Choke – 2 Submissions Neck Crank – 2 Submissions And that is the reason why you are a upstanding gentleman.
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