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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 9:51:43 GMT -5
I don't think it's debate able at all thst Justin threw caution to the wind and goT in there, got it down. Seems like that's exactly what happened.
You'd never see GSP mix it up like that. He would play a smarter game and try to avoid the fire fight.
Justin, on the other hand, gave zero fucks about his own self, had confidence that he would take the shots to give them, therefore, throwing caution to the wind, to get the job done.
That won't work against just anyone. And guys that take 2 to give one don't last long in this sport. See Wesley Corriera as an example.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Jul 24, 2017 9:16:35 GMT -5
I don't think it's debate able at all thst Justin threw caution to the wind and goT in there, got it down. Seems like that's exactly what happened. You'd never see GSP mix it up like that. He would play a smarter game and try to avoid the fire fight. Justin, on the other hand, gave zero fucks about his own self, had confidence that he would take the shots to give them, therefore, throwing caution to the wind, to get the job done. That won't work against just anyone. And guys that take 2 to give one don't last long in this sport. See Wesley Corriera as an example. Exactly my point.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Jul 24, 2017 10:02:16 GMT -5
Show me where I complained about the fight. In fact, if you read this thread you will see i have commented on how exciting the fight was multiple times. I have made it VERY clear my complaints are directed to the "MMA MEDIA" for thinking this guy should fight Conor. Those are facts ^ My only debatable opinion is that Justin's win/finish over Michael Johnson was not impressive due to his lack of defense. "Brawling" is NOT an impressive "skill", and with today's talent, it will only get you so far in the UFC - certainly not to the top. I could see Justin possibly beating Eddie, but that's as far as he gets. No, the highly debatable comment you made was that Gaethje only finished Johnson, someone who had NEVER been finished by strikes before, because he "threw caution to the wind". Gaethje's skills go beyond "brawling" or he wouldn't have finished Johnson. He mixed up his strikes to the head, body and leg kicks, knees, elbows, techniques that actually Johnson uses less than Gaethje does (I mean Johnson hardly ever throws a leg kick), and he has wrestling skills as well. Had he not been smart enough to go to the legs and body he probably wouldn't have gotten the KO. He has striking skills and it's pretty much undeniable. I don't know how far he'll make it, but you took every ounce of credit away from the guy in his win for that fight. You basically were saying that just about anyone could have finished Johnson if they just didn't give a shit about whether or not they got knocked out and swung wild for the fences and that it just happened to be that Gaethje was the first to do it, and don't pretend that's not what you meant. You meant to say that Gaethje deserves absolutely ZERO credit in that win, that he's not better than Johnson (which that fight seemed to suggest that at least on that particular night he WAS), that the win wasn't anything worth being the least bit impressed over, and that Gaethje is nothing more than a street brawler, and saying those things is just not fair to him. It's one thing to make predictions that the guy won't make it far, question his comp. in WSOF, question his defense and his ALMOST getting knocked out, point to people (NONE of whom I saw on this particular site by the way) who think he can win the title etc...it's another ENTIRELY to throw the baby out with the bathwater and say the guy SUCKS. I never saw you mention the MMA Media, but if that's who you meant than you may have a leg to stand on but you are basically saying he is nothing more than the Tank Abbott of the LW division, and I'm sorry, but I think you are going a bit far there. JUSTIN GAETHJE IS JUST ANOTHER TANK ABBOTT!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 19:54:41 GMT -5
Well, we'll find out whether or not you are right or wrong, but one thing is for sure, that he deserves more credit for that win than you gave him.
You don't just slip on the mat and end up being the first person to ever stop Michael Johnson with strikes.
But if that's what you believe happened, then more power to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 19:58:51 GMT -5
I don't think it's debate able at all thst Justin threw caution to the wind and goT in there, got it down. Seems like that's exactly what happened. You'd never see GSP mix it up like that. He would play a smarter game and try to avoid the fire fight. Justin, on the other hand, gave zero fucks about his own self, had confidence that he would take the shots to give them, therefore, throwing caution to the wind, to get the job done. That won't work against just anyone. And guys that take 2 to give one don't last long in this sport. See Wesley Corriera as an example. Fair enough, but you don't seem to be taking all the credit away from Gaethje like Jonas is. Do you agree that you need to have at least pretty good skills to be the first ever person to stop Johnson with strikes, or rather, to be able to do it at all? Do you think just about any other UFC LW could have knocked out Johnson like that by just not giving enough of a shit? I don't, and I think to claim that's the case is unfair to Gaethje (and actually quite unfair to Johnson as well...) and all the preparation I'm sure he put into the fight. If you are actually willing to put your health that much at risk to get a win you deserve MORE credit, not less, because that means that winning that one fight is so important to you you will do anything to get it done.Speculation on how far he'll go with that style is a different matter, and takes away from the achievement he made in that one fight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 9:40:26 GMT -5
I don't think it's debate able at all thst Justin threw caution to the wind and goT in there, got it down. Seems like that's exactly what happened. You'd never see GSP mix it up like that. He would play a smarter game and try to avoid the fire fight. Justin, on the other hand, gave zero fucks about his own self, had confidence that he would take the shots to give them, therefore, throwing caution to the wind, to get the job done. That won't work against just anyone. And guys that take 2 to give one don't last long in this sport. See Wesley Corriera as an example. Fair enough, but you don't seem to be taking all the credit away from Gaethje like Jonas is. Do you agree that you need to have at least pretty good skills to be the first ever person to stop Johnson with strikes, or rather, to be able to do it at all? Do you think just about any other UFC LW could have knocked out Johnson like that by just not giving enough of a shit? I don't, and I think to claim that's the case is unfair to Gaethje (and actually quite unfair to Johnson as well...) and all the preparation I'm sure he put into the fight. If you are actually willing to put your health that much at risk to get a win you deserve MORE credit, not less, because that means that winning that one fight is so important to you you will do anything to get it done.Speculation on how far he'll go with that style is a different matter, and takes away from the achievement he made in that one fight. You are trying to paint me into a box with those questions. And no, you don't get more credit when you take 3 to give 1. You get brain damage and a shorter career. Admit it, someone in your gym likes this dude so you are once again taking it personal.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jul 28, 2017 10:15:53 GMT -5
I think Correa is a kind of okay comparison but he was really just a journeyman. Few fighters can make a career out of the take 2 to give 1 strategy but the Diaz bros can do it and wear you down, Cerrone can do it, Eddie Alvarez and Michael Chandler have tried it. What it definitely does do is make you a main card fighter that is always in the hunt for a bonus. Gaethje could make himself a million dollars in a few years of UFC fighting simply because of his style - good for him.
Does he seem small to anyone? He looks like he could fight at 145 to me.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Jul 28, 2017 10:29:19 GMT -5
I think Correa is a kind of okay comparison but he was really just a journeyman. Few fighters can make a career out of the take 2 to give 1 strategy but the Diaz bros can do it and wear you down, Cerrone can do it, Eddie Alvarez and Michael Chandler have tried it. What it definitely does do is make you a main card fighter that is always in the hunt for a bonus. Gaethje could make himself a million dollars in a few years of UFC fighting simply because of his style - good for him. Does he seem small to anyone? He looks like he could fight at 145 to me. What kind of ground game does Justin have? How many submission wins?
Diaz brothers, Cerrone, Alverez, and Chandler all have great ground games with multiple submission wins. Those guys are well rounded fighters who also happen to have incredible chins, and with the exception of Eddie's short time as champ, none of them have been able to make it to the top in the UFC. If they cant do it, Justin Gaethje sure as hell wont either.
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Post by adamg01 on Jul 28, 2017 16:41:10 GMT -5
Can we appreciate the guy for what he is? He is legit and top10. Is he beatable? Absofuckinglutely, and I'm sure he won't be cleaning out one of the best weight classes in the world.
Give him a break, he's one of the few who cares about his entertainment factor. He isn't a boring ass point fighter. Can't wait to see him again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 21:36:42 GMT -5
Fair enough, but you don't seem to be taking all the credit away from Gaethje like Jonas is. Do you agree that you need to have at least pretty good skills to be the first ever person to stop Johnson with strikes, or rather, to be able to do it at all? Do you think just about any other UFC LW could have knocked out Johnson like that by just not giving enough of a shit? I don't, and I think to claim that's the case is unfair to Gaethje (and actually quite unfair to Johnson as well...) and all the preparation I'm sure he put into the fight. If you are actually willing to put your health that much at risk to get a win you deserve MORE credit, not less, because that means that winning that one fight is so important to you you will do anything to get it done.Speculation on how far he'll go with that style is a different matter, and takes away from the achievement he made in that one fight. You are trying to paint me into a box with those questions. And no, you don't get more credit when you take 3 to give 1. You get brain damage and a shorter career. Admit it, someone in your gym likes this dude so you are once again taking it personal. How is my asking you if other LWs could beat him by swinging wildly without caring or asking if Gaethje has decent striking skills "painting you into a box"? I'm trying to gauge whether or not you can look at him objectively without taking all of his credit away like Jonas did. I also didn't necessarily say you get more credit for taking 3 to give one, what I meant was if the guy is willing to sacrifice his health it means he wants to win that much more badly than those who don't, and that making sacrifices to get what you want is generally viewed as something positive, which it is IMO. If you are willing to go out on your shield like that and risk it all to win then that means you've got balls and Gaethje showed that he does and that's deserving of credit IMO. No dude, no one in my gym knows him at all and I could take him or leave him as a fighter but you've seen me FOR YEARS on this forum and the old one pick apart statements people make that I disagree with because I sometimes like debating when I think someone says something I don't agree with. I just flat out don't understand how you can be agreeing with Jonas. So both of you basically seem to think that basically Gaethje did not win the fight essentially. I mean that's what both of your thoughts amount to. That basically you might have given him more credit if he lost the fight, or at least not less credit, that the guy literally did not achieve anything at all in winning that fight, zero credit for listening to his coaches and go to the head and body when they told him to, and that he's deserving of absolutely zero credit for winning it and zero credit for the training he put in as well I'm guessing. I'm not talking about whether or not he gets a shorter career or brain damage, I'm talking about the fact that Jonas is acting like the guy basically slipped on the mat and knocked out Johnson, that it was nothing more than some combination of luck and bravado and willingness to take damage that allowed him to win, that the guy has ZERO skills, and showed ZERO skills at all in that fight. This is the way Jonas is acting, and it seems to be you are agreeing with him. I mean do you think they should just throw out the fight results altogether and just give him a loss on his record if it really means that little? I mean no disrespect to you or Jonas, but the things you guys are saying make no sense to me at all. Despite how he won being dangerous to his health, no one can dispute he was the better man on that night and not give him the credit due for finishing a tough opponent, but Jonas doesn't seem to be willing to do even that, and while I thought you were, now it seems like you aren't either. I'm just perplexed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 9:22:02 GMT -5
I'm not gonna read all that. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 17:25:30 GMT -5
I'm not gonna read all that. Lol. That's not even long. Don't bother debating if you aren't gonna read, as it's extremely annoying writing something to someone and then them telling them you're not reading it. Point is, seems like you are giving zero credit to Gaethje for winning and as if you might as well give him a loss on his record because he accomplished so little in that fight. He went out on his shield, showing balls, showed coaching ability listening to his corner who told him to go to legs and body, trained for the fight and deserves credit and acknowledgement for all that and when you are willing to take that kind of damage to win it shows you are willing to make a serious sacrifice because the win means so much to you. He didn't win based on luck, he didn't win just cause he didn't give a shit about getting hit, he won cause he was more prepared and the better fighter on that night. To disagree is to take all his credit from him like Jonas is doing. Maybe you should assume from now on my posts will be too long for you to be willing to read and not post to me in general and save us both the time.
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Post by ToNoAvail on Jul 29, 2017 17:36:02 GMT -5
He had some really nice counters throughout the fight. His technique is actually pretty decent he's just WAY too ok with getting hit.
He would put his hands up to block a jab, but completely let it slip inside and end up getting popped.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Nov 28, 2017 16:27:02 GMT -5
Predictions for this weekend? Im hoping Eddie has a game plan and exposes Justin's lack of ground game. All Eddie has to do is implement a technical fight with intelligent defense and he'll win this. If he tries to stand and bang, he'll most likely get KO'd like the rest.
After all, JUSTIN GAETHJE IS JUST ANOTHER TANK ABBOTT.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 28, 2017 17:53:02 GMT -5
Predictions for this weekend? Im hoping Eddie has a game plan and exposes Justin's lack of ground game. All Eddie has to do is implement a technical fight with intelligent defense and he'll win this. If he tries to stand and bang, he'll most likely get KO'd like the rest. After all, JUSTIN GAETHJE IS JUST ANOTHER TANK ABBOTT. "Implementing a technical fight" against a super aggressive striker is difficult. It's not that opponents want to throw down and brawl - they have no choice with Justin. Eddie is also a brawler and has had one "technical" fight in his life - when he repeatedly took down Pettis. Also, I think you are underestimating Justin's ground - he was a DIV 1 all american wrestler. His defensive wrestling is excellent and I seriously doubt Eddie is taking him down. Eddie might KO him because his defensive boxing and footwork is better than Justin's, but I will predict Gaethje by stoppage in round 2.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Nov 28, 2017 18:01:46 GMT -5
Predictions for this weekend? Im hoping Eddie has a game plan and exposes Justin's lack of ground game. All Eddie has to do is implement a technical fight with intelligent defense and he'll win this. If he tries to stand and bang, he'll most likely get KO'd like the rest. After all, JUSTIN GAETHJE IS JUST ANOTHER TANK ABBOTT. "Implementing a technical fight" against a super aggressive striker is difficult. It's not that opponents want to throw down and brawl - they have no choice with Justin. Eddie is also a brawler and has had one "technical" fight in his life - when he repeatedly took down Pettis. Also, I think you are underestimating Justin's ground - he was a DIV 1 all american wrestler. His defensive wrestling is excellent and I seriously doubt Eddie is taking him down. Eddie might KO him because his defensive boxing and footwork is better than Justin's, but I will predict Gaethje by stoppage in round 2. It's not difficult for a well rounded fighter, and that covers pretty much everyone in the top 3-5 of every division. - Attack his legs.
Move in, attack from angles and get out.
Go for take downs - keep him guessing.
Attack his legs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 18:29:57 GMT -5
Has anyone been watching this recent Ultimate Fighter with 125lbs women and Gaethje and Alvarez as coaches and if so, how is it so far?
I've got all 9 epsiodes DVRd and haven't watched any of them.
Should I?
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Post by HumanAgent on Nov 28, 2017 19:57:32 GMT -5
Has anyone been watching this recent Ultimate Fighter with 125lbs women and Gaethje and Alvarez as coaches and if so, how is it so far? I've got all 9 epsiodes DVRd and haven't watched any of them. Should I? Best Ultimate Fighter in ages! Must see TV in my opinion... Watch them all! A motherfuckin' SAP
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 20:28:34 GMT -5
Has anyone been watching this recent Ultimate Fighter with 125lbs women and Gaethje and Alvarez as coaches and if so, how is it so far? I've got all 9 epsiodes DVRd and haven't watched any of them. Should I? Best Ultimate Fighter in ages! Must see TV in my opinion... Watch them all! A motherfuckin' SAP I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not but I guess you are serious. How come no one else has been posting about it?
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Post by HumanAgent on Nov 28, 2017 22:04:02 GMT -5
Best Ultimate Fighter in ages! Must see TV in my opinion... Watch them all! A motherfuckin' SAP I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not but I guess you are serious. How come no one else has been posting about it? Nobody post anything here about anything. I'm serious, worth watching. Justin is a very likable guy, I hope he beats Eddie and proves Jonas wrong!
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Post by locogato11283 on Nov 28, 2017 23:24:58 GMT -5
Who is this guy?
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Post by HumanAgent on Nov 28, 2017 23:37:48 GMT -5
Gaethje? He's the next LW champion! If you are not to busy watching Bellator reruns you can see him whoop ass on Saturday!
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Dec 4, 2017 11:49:44 GMT -5
lolJustinGaethje... just as I predicted, all it would take is someone with a bit of technical skill to put this guy away. I really wasnt sure if Eddie had enough technique to get the job done, but that was the best Eddie Alvarez we've seen in quite some time.
Justin Gaethje will make a great gate-keeper for the division.
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Post by HumanAgent on Dec 4, 2017 12:30:03 GMT -5
Eddie got lucky! Had that knee not landed, Gaethje was about to unleash hell on a very gassed and one legged Eddie Alvarez!
#WeWantARematch
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 12:56:06 GMT -5
Lol I've never seen a guy willing to eat 3 punches just to get in range to fire off a leg kick.
Epic fight.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Dec 4, 2017 13:01:50 GMT -5
Lol I've never seen a guy willing to eat 3 punches just to get in range to fire off a leg kick. Epic fight. It really was an epic fight. Justin should change his nickname to Justin "CTE" Gaethje.
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Post by peAk on Dec 6, 2017 14:11:21 GMT -5
Lol I've never seen a guy willing to eat 3 punches just to get in range to fire off a leg kick. Epic fight. It really was an epic fight. Justin should change his nickname to Justin "CTE" Gaethje. LOL
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Apr 14, 2018 21:24:03 GMT -5
Justin "CTE" Gaethje.
I called this moths ago. Guy would get picked apart against anyone in the top 5.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 22:00:07 GMT -5
Here was the most significant point I made in this thread:
"Basically, the fair assessment of him is that he's an extremely tough striker with a good chin but who also has sloppy defense and that he's undefeated but we still don't actually know how good he is in comparison to the competition in the UFC at LW because he's only fought one guy."
I STILL stand by this, and there was no "nut sack swinging" going on in this thread.
You acted like he sucked, and he doesn't.
He's been a serious threat to everyone he's fought and hurt all of them.
He can be a future brain damage candidate, not title-shot worthy, and also tough as hell and NOT overrated all at the same time, and that's how I felt then and STILL how I feel.
You compared him to Tank Abbot and said the only reason he won was cause he "threw caution to the wind" and said he was just a sloppy brawler, all of which are dumb incorrect comments.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Apr 14, 2018 22:05:16 GMT -5
SMH...
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