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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 9:19:01 GMT -5
This could have gone into the "Trump's Presidency" thread but it's sort of its own category of Left-Leaning Lunacy, so I separated it. This is from the Detroit area but no doubt some other posters (Californians? Texans or Arizonians?) could no doubt relate their own immigration-law violation stories, and I hope they do.
From the June 13 Detroit Free Press:
FAMILIES FRANTIC AFTER METRO RAIDS
by Niraj Warikoo
"Inside the family room of a Sterling Heights home, Haydar Butris' family passed around the phone so that they could speak with him. The 38-year-old father of three was calling from an immigrant detention facility four hours away in Youngstown, Ohio.
"How are you?" Butris' sister, Lina Denha, asked, wiping away tears with a tissue. "I miss you."
Then, his 3-year-old son, Eli, got on the phone.
"Hi, dad," the boy said. "I love you. ... When are you going to come home?"
That question was asked by many Iraqi-Americans in metro Detroit on Monday a day after federal immigration agents conducted one of the biggest roundups of Iraqi immigrants in recent memory. Attorneys for those detained speculate that the number of immigrants taken away Sunday range from 90 to 300, and were mostly Iraqi Christians. ICE did not release a number of detainees.
Sunday's deportation raid gave rise to an emotional Monday evening protest, as those gathered chanted "Stop deportations, bring the families home" on the corner of 15 Mile and Ryan Road in Sterling Heights at one of the centers of metro Detroit's Iraqi-American Christian population. "Chaldean lives matter," said one T-shirt, referring to Iraqi Catholics.
Federal officials in Detroit strongly defended their actions, saying Monday that the immigrants they detained have criminal backgrounds and were targeted for deportation after a deal struck with the Iraqi government.
"As a result of recent negotiations between the U.S. and Iraq, Iraq has recently agreed to accept a number of Iraqi nationals subject to orders of removal," said Khaalid Walls, a spokesman for the Michigan office of ICE (Immigration Customs and Enforcement), which is part of the Department of Homeland Security.
"As part of ICE's efforts to process the backlog of these individuals, the agency recently arrested a number of Iraqi nationals, all of whom had criminal convictions for crimes including homicide, rape, aggravated assault, kidnapping, burglary, drug trafficking, robbery, sex assault, weapons violations and other offenses."
Metro Detroit Iraqi-American Christian leaders have criticized Sunday's deportation raids as overzealous.
But Walls said: "Each of these individuals received full and fair immigration proceedings, after which a federal immigration judge found them ineligible for any form of relief under U.S. law and ordered them removed."
They were taken to a detention facility in Youngstown, where Butris made his call.
In 1993, Butris legally immigrated to the U.S. from Iraq with his parents. But when he was 20 years old, he was caught possessing seven pounds of marijuana, which makes him eligible under the new administration of President Donald Trump to be deported.
Previously, the U.S. usually didn't prioritize legal immigrants with minor criminal records for deportation, attorneys have said.
Butris' oldest child, daughter Lilly Butirs, 12, wept as she recalled what happened Sunday morning at their home. She recalls the federal agents at her home putting her dad in handcuffs.
"It's not fair," she said. "I don't know why they want to rip families apart. This country was built on immigrants. ... We're not treated like people. We're treated like objects. That's not OK.
"Do you know how hard it is to have your father, who means everything to you, just taken away from you, having that scared feeling you're never going to see him again?"
On Sunday, family members of many of the detained waited outside the Detroit ICE offices at Jefferson Avenue and Mt. Elliott trying to get answers.
Late Sunday night, some of their frustrations erupted as a crowd of Iraqi Americans attempted to block buses transporting the detainees to the Ohio detention facility. Videos posted to social media show them chanting "Let our people out" as they appear to stand in front of a bus.
Attorneys said the Iraqis who were arrested came to the U.S. legally, but after they committed crimes, were subject to be deported. However, such cases were not seen as priorities before Trump became president, said Southfield attorney Clarence Dass, who represents ten of the Iraqis arrested, including Butris.
Iraqi-American Christian advocates and defense attorneys say that the raids were cruel since Christians are currently being persecuted in Iraq, where they are a minority.
"We're sending them to die," said Warren attorney and Southfield district court magistrate Eman Jajonie-Daman, who is representing 25 of the Iraqis detained. "How do you justify that? It's an egregious violation of human rights."
Jajonie-Daman said that 307 were detained on Sunday in raids involving many ICE agents.
Walls said: "ICE does not target individuals based on religion, ethnicity, gender or race. ICE's enforcement actions target individuals who are subject to immigration enforcement.
"These efforts are targeted and lead-driven. ICE does not conduct sweeps or raids that target aliens indiscriminately."
At the Sterling Heights rally, family members held up photos of loved ones detained.
Daher Al-Mayhi, 50, of Dearborn Heights said her husband, who has medical problems, was taken by immigration agents on Sunday. He had served one year in prison for fraud a few years ago. Like many of the others detained, he was a legal immigrant.
Sabrina Pasha of Sterling Heights begged for ICE to release her son, Tony Hormez, 42, who spent most of his life in the U.S.
"Don't deport him over there, please, please," she said. "He doesn't even speak Chaldean."
Inside the Butris home on Monday, parents of the detainee and other family members worried Haydar would be easily targeted if he is sent back to Iraq since he doesn't speak Arabic well and is Christian.
The family is trying to see if they can get his case reopened so he is not deported. It's unclear what the time table is for the detainees and when they might be removed from the U.S.
"My mother was crying," when the ICE agents arrived at about 7:30 a.m. Sunday morning, said Butris' younger brother, Martin Mansor. "She fainted. ... We're devastated. We really don't know what to do. We don't want him sent back there because of the genocide of Christians."
Lily pondered a life without her dad: "It's complete insanity. ... Why is there such cruelty in the world?"
Contact Niraj Warikoo: nwarikoo@freepress.com or 313-223-4792. Follow him on Twitter @nwarikoo
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 10:05:05 GMT -5
Funny, isn't it?....Just how often these immigrants (including the legal ones) claim that THEY ARE FACING TORTURE AND EXECUTION IF DEPORTED to their native lands? (Gosh, did they all commit capital crimes over there, or what?)
...And yet, they NEVER BOTHERED TO BECOME U.S. CITIZENS, which would have eliminated their problem! Plus, they get convicted here of serious crimes...and STILL expect immunity from U. S. immigration laws?
What planet are these fools living on, anyway?
Of course, most of these claims of dire-fates-if-deported are false. It's true that Iraqi Christians (Chaldeans) face discrimination in their home country....Muslims aren't a very tolerant bunch, apparently.
But death and torture? I doubt it. We have installed a democracy there. Try to work with it, all you "poor deportees". YOU WOULDN'T WORK WITH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IMMIGRATION LAWS HERE....so now you're going back home.
Injustice? Human rights violations? Nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 10:28:12 GMT -5
Have our jails been emptied of all illegal immigrants yet?
And who the fuck can actually find humor in stuff like this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 10:35:06 GMT -5
No one is finding humor in this. Just satisfaction that blatant violations of U.S. law are being dealt with.
....And not directed against Muslims, or any other religious group, as usually hollered by the lefty loons.
Maybe you oughta read it again. Criminals. Many of them violent ones.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 10:45:21 GMT -5
Once again, why havent our jails been purged of illegals? Id like to see that happen first and foremost.
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Post by matt on Jun 13, 2017 11:58:09 GMT -5
Once again, why havent our jails been purged of illegals? Id like to see that happen first and foremost. This is a good question. I'm guessing voter manipulation is a large piece of the puzzle anytime you're discussing illegal immigrant policies...
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Post by matt on Jun 13, 2017 12:02:02 GMT -5
Do the Democratic politicians and lawmakers actually care about the poor, embattled illegal immigrants?!?!
Or are the illegal immigrants simply tools that the politicians use to manipulate the bleeding hearts, in order to stay in power?!?!
Would tent city exist if the politicians actually cared about the immigrant's lives once they actually got here???
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 12:05:39 GMT -5
Once again, why havent our jails been purged of illegals? Id like to see that happen first and foremost. This is a good question. I'm guessing voter manipulation is a large piece of the puzzle anytime you're discussing illegal immigrant policies... Agreed. Of course it is. But the way I see it is that it would be very hard for even the most left reaching liberal to be against the deportation of those that are currently incarcerated. Plus, you don't get that one ingredient that the left media fiends for to put together these article's....all the pics and stories of families being broken up. Which imo, is where most of the strength in these stories comes from.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 12:07:47 GMT -5
Do the Democratic politicians and lawmakers actually care about the poor, embattled illegal immigrants?!?! Or are the illegal immigrants simply tools that the politicians use to manipulate the bleeding hearts, in order to stay in power?!?! Would tent city exist if the politicians actually cared about the immigrant's lives once they actually got here??? And to add one more to that great list... Why doesn't every single liberal sponsor an immigrant? Surely, if their hearts are truly there, they wouldnt mind welcoming in one or more to their homes? It's because it's a pure tool to gather votes. I couldn't agree more on this.
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Post by matt on Jun 13, 2017 12:19:01 GMT -5
This is a good question. I'm guessing voter manipulation is a large piece of the puzzle anytime you're discussing illegal immigrant policies... Agreed. Of course it is. But the way I see it is that it would be very hard for even the most left reaching liberal to be against the deportation of those that are currently incarcerated. Plus, you don't get that one ingredient that the left media fiends for to put together these article's....all the pics and stories of families being broken up. Which imo, is where most of the strength in these stories comes from. Whoa, hold up my friend, You're using too much common sense and logic... that's not how this works...thats not how any of this works!!!
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Post by PatSox on Jun 13, 2017 12:31:13 GMT -5
Don't they realize ICE is trying to help them by getting them the hell out of Detroit
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 12:37:29 GMT -5
Don't they realize ICE is trying to help them by getting them the hell out of Detroit Yes. Our Immigration agents are just exercising a form of "tough love". LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 12:49:48 GMT -5
Have our jails been emptied of all illegal immigrants yet? And who the fuck can actually find humor in stuff like this? Just to be clear, though: I used the word "Funny" to mean "isn't it odd"?.... in my comment below the article. I was expressing well-justified skepticism of the almost ridiculous (not to mention tired and over-used) whining about some deportee's "life being in danger". If that were indeed true, he or she would have sought political asylum and probably gotten it.
By no means was I minimizing the suffering of the families of these clueless criminals, just including the exact same pix as what appears in today's Free Press newspaper. Of course, the images presented focus upon the awful emotional pain involved in cases like this.
But we all know who bears responsibility for that suffering, and it ain't the customs guys who are just doing their jobs.
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Post by Canuklehead on Jun 13, 2017 13:14:07 GMT -5
Normally getting sent to Iraq would be terrible...BUT...they get to leave Detroit. Could be worse is all I'm saying.
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Post by boboplata on Jun 13, 2017 17:06:41 GMT -5
Don't they realize ICE is trying to help them by getting them the hell out of Detroit Iraqui christians being snitched upon by Murrican muslims.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 18:14:56 GMT -5
It's nice that they're rounding up all of these people who aren't supposed to be here. And it's not surprising that there's so much whining about it.
However Vale brings up a good point. All these illegal immigrants that are sitting inside of our prisons should have been sent back by now.
Jackel, if you don't have anything to do right now, it would be interesting to know what percentage of our prisoners who are illegal immigrants are in private for-profit prisons. Because I bet you that the private prisons are the safest place for illegals to avoid deportation in the entire country. Because their mere presence there generates profit for the companies at the expense of the taxpayers.
Most likely another example of how the federal government often allows large companies to fuck taxpayers right up the ass.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 18:38:00 GMT -5
Most likely, there are legal AND practical reasons why many incarcerated illegals haven't been sent back.
Plenty of legal-aid bottom feeder lawyers (paid by U.S. taxpayers) are probably dragging their feet, appealing convictions for border-jumpers already in prison, and delaying proceedings for those simply awaiting trial while in county jails.
Many border-jumper criminals are also likely being held without trial -- detained indefinitely in federal lockups -- because their countries of origin will not accept them back. I know that hundreds of them USED to be held at a Federal facility in Atlanta. This was back in the 1990s. They were approved for deportation but we had nowhere to send them, for fear they would simply return a few weeks later, as thousands of Mexicans have done.
Notice: the Free Press article stated that the Iraqi government had reached an agreement with ours to "accept" them. Apparently that isn't always the case.
But why are we guessing about this? We have Jackel/Angelo!
Clue us in, dude....
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Post by ocmmafan on Jun 13, 2017 19:29:08 GMT -5
The problem is getting the detainers put on. The criminal is going to first do his time THEN get removed. And when they get released we can only enforce departure if we are notified. Sanctuary cities that refuse to cooperate both don't ever put the detainer on and even if we know and we have a detainer, they don't notify us and/or don't honor it and then release the alien. In some circumstances the jail or prison has a point - they don't have the resources to wait on us and hold aliens until we can get them. In others, it's purely political and the city/county leadership says fuck off and will not assist. They instruct their personnel they cannot communicate with ICE. Now, that is never stopping us from going into any jail, but it's makes the job a million times harder and logistically impossible. We have mayors in LA and San Francisco openly saying fuck ICE. Go into any prison or jail on the southern border between California and Texas and ALL of them have hundreds or thousands of illegal aliens. And they are all overcrowded because of it, which forces us to move inmates to private prisons that cost twice as much per bed. If you want to make a lot of money, build a private prison in california or arizona. We have to bus and fly illegal aliens, especially women, all over california, arizona and nevada. We simply don't have enough beds and judges mandate we limit overcrowding.
The biggest change we can make is stopping them from ever getting here in the first place. Then we can work on departure control for the people we need to remove. But we have to cut off the supply.
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Post by Angelo on Jun 13, 2017 20:06:29 GMT -5
It's nice that they're rounding up all of these people who aren't supposed to be here. And it's not surprising that there's so much whining about it. However Vale brings up a good point. All these illegal immigrants that are sitting inside of our prisons should have been sent back by now. Jackel, if you don't have anything to do right now, it would be interesting to know what percentage of our prisoners who are illegal immigrants are in private for-profit prisons. Because I bet you that the private prisons are the safest place for illegals to avoid deportation in the entire country. Because their mere presence there generates profit for the companies at the expense of the taxpayers. Most likely another example of how the federal government often allows large companies to fuck taxpayers right up the ass. Well given the way the private prisons are run, I'd bet they have much more than they actually claim. They are a great secure revenue source for them (one of the reasons private prisons like CoreCivic have been giving money to some of these organizations trying to get illegals back out onto the street). Private prisons hold just over 90% of deportation cases while under 10% of the total inmate population. Top that off with roughly 90+ percentage of foreign born inmates being here illegally in the first place, which private prisons don't always flag because they want them released to take them right back in when they get busted again. The whole US prison system is fucked up though. Private prisons gaming the government and fucking up paperwork to extend stays, and promoting aggressive guard tactics to also extend stays. Top that off with a system as a whole that for political/corruption reasons actually PROMOTES increasing recidivism rates (which is the single largest expense of our criminal justice system), and well it all fucked. As have been shown consistently, focusing on rehabilitation in prisons, and removing the barriers from re-entering civilization and the workplace, has not only decreased the cost to taxpayers on the detainment-side, but also decreased the long term cost because of massive decrease of recidivism rates. Oh and I'm surprised OC didn't bring this up (actually no I'm not, maybe he was mopping a different floor in his building recently), but what is very amusing is an overwhelming percentage of tips coming in about middle eastern undocumented and illegal immigrants are coming in from illegal Hispanics making deals.
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Post by PatSox on Jun 14, 2017 7:14:30 GMT -5
O.C. is a janitor? Or are you just talking shit?
And even if he was, so what? It's about $14-20 more an hour than you make
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Post by Premier on Jun 14, 2017 10:08:09 GMT -5
......but what is very amusing is an overwhelming percentage of tips coming in about middle eastern undocumented and illegal immigrants are coming in from illegal Hispanics making deals. How do you know that?
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Post by johncfc on Jun 14, 2017 10:17:34 GMT -5
O.C. is a janitor? Or are you just talking shit? And even if he was, so what? It's about $14-20 more an hour than you make He prefers to be called a custodian.
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Post by johncfc on Jun 14, 2017 10:18:33 GMT -5
......but what is very amusing is an overwhelming percentage of tips coming in about middle eastern undocumented and illegal immigrants are coming in from illegal Hispanics making deals. How do you know that? He doesn't. He made it up.
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Post by ocmmafan on Jun 14, 2017 11:35:55 GMT -5
O.C. is a janitor? Or are you just talking shit? And even if he was, so what? It's about $14-20 more an hour than you make He prefers to be called a custodian. Following a broom around you shitheads for the last 8 years I've learned a couple of things. I read your conversations, you don't know that but I do. I am the eyes and ears of this institution, you buffoons.
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Post by Angelo on Jun 14, 2017 13:23:26 GMT -5
......but what is very amusing is an overwhelming percentage of tips coming in about middle eastern undocumented and illegal immigrants are coming in from illegal Hispanics making deals. How do you know that? I may hate Penn State, and the current restaurant industry, but both of them are great places to make a lot of connections. Lawyers, FBI, Homeland, various University officials, Congressional staffers, etc... and as it has been all my life, people just talk to me like I'm a bartender. In this case both a lawyer that works Amnesty International, and one of my friends at Homeland that does interdepartmental work with ICE. It isn't exactly a secret though, even the Liberal darling that is Law & Order SVU was talking about illegal Hispanics being pissed that the radical Muslims were bringing too much attention to them in an episode. It isn't that surprising though, everyone knows the US is in a deal making mood under Trump, even though the refugee exemptions eventually slowed up considerably, ICE is getting its head in the game implementing the traditional favorite of police departments the world over. Letting the little fish go for the big fish. And in this case the big fish is Middle Eastern illegals as it makes ICE and to an extent the rest of the government look like it not only working on immigration, but also combating terrorism in the same swoop.
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Post by Premier on Jun 14, 2017 13:31:33 GMT -5
I may hate Penn State, and the current restaurant industry, but both of them are great places to make a lot of connections. Lawyers, FBI, Homeland, various University officials, Congressional staffers, etc... and as it has been all my life, people just talk to me like I'm a bartender. And none of those people have ever offered to hook you up with a job?
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Post by Angelo on Jun 14, 2017 13:40:30 GMT -5
I may hate Penn State, and the current restaurant industry, but both of them are great places to make a lot of connections. Lawyers, FBI, Homeland, various University officials, Congressional staffers, etc... and as it has been all my life, people just talk to me like I'm a bartender. And none of those people have ever offered to hook you up with a job? As I've said in the past, quite a few, just no jobs in this area and moving is out of the question for Jess. Actually I was finally offered a job I can do locally, Commission pay, start next week. No idea how much I'll wind up making from it though.
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Post by Premier on Jun 14, 2017 13:52:20 GMT -5
Congrats. What you gonna' be selling?
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Post by CaveBearOG on Jun 14, 2017 14:52:21 GMT -5
Congrats. What you gonna' be selling? Lies
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Post by Angelo on Jun 14, 2017 15:13:30 GMT -5
Congrats. What you gonna' be selling? Mostly pre-1980 French and UK cars, the occasional modern Audi or Mercedes. I'm not doing the selling though rather I'm being hired to be their purveyor.
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