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Post by MMAJim on May 23, 2017 15:11:01 GMT -5
It absolutely appears to imply that. We'll be old men discussing the exact date of our retirements when and if we ever get more real information on that though I fear.
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Post by slaytan on May 23, 2017 17:34:17 GMT -5
I have to admit to decrease in productivity at the office today due to watching additional Gowdy videos. Would you agree that in the final minute of this video Gowdy essentially says he's seen classified intel that the Clintons were deeply intwined with the Justice Dept well beyond meeting with Lynch on the tarmac that day and that Comey had no choice but to break protocol and take over/re-open that investigation. I mean . . . that's kind of a bombshell, right? But, as per usual . . . crickets abound. ... also the Seth Rich thing has officially blown over. Amazing, yet totally predictable. The last 100 years are replete with nearly identical, mind bogglingly obvious cases of murder -all by the left, all so successfully pulled off that in the end, the public totally buys the flimsy and ridiculous cover story and everyone who attempted to expose the truth are the discredited and detested villains. In the end, the net result of the Seth Rich murder is nothing more or less than a severed head on display, warning any dumbocrat thinking of leaking information. It strengthens the party. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 8:53:52 GMT -5
I read the article written by Seth Rich's parents this morning.
It was pretty obvious that it was written under duress with some clear coaching involved. The problem is two fold.
First: If he was the one who leaked all that stuff to Wikileaks, it completely kills the Russia narrative.
Second: It makes his death stop looking suspicious and makes it very clear who the real culprit was, and it wasn't people trying to rob him.
And I still haven't heard any kind of explanation as to why a DNC staffer who was killed in a "robbery" had his laptop taken by the FBI as "evidence".
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Post by nickcage on May 24, 2017 9:03:30 GMT -5
And yeesh--that guy in Manchester was on the governments radar do to a recent trip to Libya and ties to ISIS and they did nothing?
That's going to be hard to explain.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 9:22:18 GMT -5
It would be hard to explain in this country. But it seems over in the UK that the Muslims have taken over and so....
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Post by matt on May 24, 2017 10:22:07 GMT -5
Would you agree that in the final minute of this video Gowdy essentially says he's seen classified intel that the Clintons were deeply intwined with the Justice Dept well beyond meeting with Lynch on the tarmac that day and that Comey had no choice but to break protocol and take over/re-open that investigation. I mean . . . that's kind of a bombshell, right? But, as per usual . . . crickets abound. ... also the Seth Rich thing has officially blown over. Amazing, yet totally predictable. The last 100 years are replete with nearly identical, mind bogglingly obvious cases of murder -all by the left, all so successfully pulled off that in the end, the public totally buys the flimsy and ridiculous cover story and everyone who attempted to expose the truth are the discredited and detested villains. In the end, the net result of the Seth Rich murder is nothing more or less than a severed head on display, warning any dumbocrat thinking of leaking information. It strengthens the party. The crazy part is...the bullet that entered the back of Seth Rich's head actually zig zagged around in his body before exiting his chest, and then the bullet penetrated the back of the man sitting in the car in front of him. First rule of fight club? Don't talk about fight club... |
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Post by Baph on May 24, 2017 11:10:34 GMT -5
The martial law of social justice which prevents us from being honest, sober, blunt, and logical is precisely how we end up over-run by our own invitation.
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Post by Baph on May 25, 2017 13:16:47 GMT -5
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Post by PatSox on May 25, 2017 16:26:58 GMT -5
... also the Seth Rich thing has officially blown over. Amazing, yet totally predictable. The last 100 years are replete with nearly identical, mind bogglingly obvious cases of murder -all by the left, all so successfully pulled off that in the end, the public totally buys the flimsy and ridiculous cover story and everyone who attempted to expose the truth are the discredited and detested villains. In the end, the net result of the Seth Rich murder is nothing more or less than a severed head on display, warning any dumbocrat thinking of leaking information. It strengthens the party. The crazy part is...the bullet that entered the back of Seth Rich's head actually zig zagged around in his body before exiting his chest, and then the bullet penetrated the back of the man sitting in the car in front of him. First rule of fight club? Don't talk about fight club... In my opinion, talking about secret societies is not what killed JFK Talking about printing money from Fort Knox, instead of the Federal Reserve, and talking about ending the war in Vietnam before it could really get going and become the money making machine it would be for defense contractors and all the politicians and high ranking military leaders who took money from said contractors, is what killed Kennedy |
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Post by slaytan on May 25, 2017 16:41:07 GMT -5
The crazy part is...the bullet that entered the back of Seth Rich's head actually zig zagged around in his body before exiting his chest, and then the bullet penetrated the back of the man sitting in the car in front of him. First rule of fight club? Don't talk about fight club... In my opinion, talking about secret societies is not what killed JFK Talking about printing money from Fort Knox, instead of the Federal Reserve, and talking about ending the war in Vietnam before it could really get going and become the money making machine it would be for defense contractors and all the politicians and high ranking military leaders who took money from said contractors, is what killed Kennedy Good God you're a conspiracy nut |
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Post by Angelo on May 25, 2017 16:44:35 GMT -5
Talking about printing money from Fort Knox, instead of the Federal Reserve, and talking about ending the war in Vietnam before it could really get going and become the money making machine it would be for defense contractors and all the politicians and high ranking military leaders who took money from said contractors, is what killed Kennedy JFK was killed because he and his father reneged on his deals with the Corsican mafia. He was buddy buddy with the military industrial conflict and let them know policy direction so they could benefit, they didn't kill him. |
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Post by PatSox on May 25, 2017 16:50:05 GMT -5
Talking about printing money from Fort Knox, instead of the Federal Reserve, and talking about ending the war in Vietnam before it could really get going and become the money making machine it would be for defense contractors and all the politicians and high ranking military leaders who took money from said contractors, is what killed Kennedy JFK was killed because he and his father reneged on his deals with the Corsican mafia. He was buddy buddy with the military industrial conflict and let them know policy direction so they could benefit, they didn't kill him. Be honest. If I said what you said about the Corsican's, would you have countered with what I said, or even something else entirely?.....Just to be different and unique? |
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Post by PatSox on May 25, 2017 16:51:49 GMT -5
In my opinion, talking about secret societies is not what killed JFK Talking about printing money from Fort Knox, instead of the Federal Reserve, and talking about ending the war in Vietnam before it could really get going and become the money making machine it would be for defense contractors and all the politicians and high ranking military leaders who took money from said contractors, is what killed Kennedy Good God you're a conspiracy nut .....But Matt isn't? The conservative circle jerk is still going strong, I see |
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Post by slaytan on May 25, 2017 17:23:00 GMT -5
With regards to JFK:
It's amusing to observe how each American (at least the ins who even know who JFK was), almost to the one, has a wild eyed and very lazily formed conspiracy theory about JFK, 90% of which have been so thoroughly debunked it's not funny.
Take the "Magic bullet." That the bullet zig zagged is a falsehood; it traveled in a straight line through JFK into Connally. Oliver Stone is most responsible for this lie (although it did exist before the movie. I know because I had a teacher who covered it in 6th grade and I bought it).
Also the "impossible shot" thing; it has been recreated literally dozens of times by novice shooters. It's fascinating to me to see people who have fired guns before, call a 75 yard shot at a target moving very slowly at a constant velocity in a straight line "implausible" let alone impossible. I could go on for hours on the rest. Eyewitnesses present almost all say the shots came from one direction, the school book depository
Was the CIA involved? Sure, perhaps. Lots of dirty hands around there. Mafia? Sure. Jack Ruby had mafia -and communist- ties. Literally half of the CIA then, and now, were bona fide Soviet moles. (Obama's CIA director admitted to even voting for the communist candidate for president in 1980 as the Cold War raged, but I digress). Really the only hard conspiracy evidence uncovered is of the KGB, within 48 hours of Kennedy's death, beginning a disinformation campaign aimed at convincing Americans that Lee Harvey wasn't the real shooter. Lee Harvey Oswald, who had defected to the USSR, traveled to Cuba, vociferously supported communism, and had been in contact with the Soviet Union at their Mexican embassy days before the shooting, looked bad for Russia.
Likely as not LHO was just a lone nutcase, not acting on anyone's orders. He was a commie, nut, Antifa type schmuck and he hated JFK, the last anti communist dumbocrat ever to hold national office. My gut says that's th case. The KGB had too many other ways to get rid of JFK. They could have simply exposed his sex scandals, drugs, and then kill him via heart attack at Bethesda naval hospital like they did the rest, after he was disgraced and discredited.
But make no mistake, the reason -the only reason- all you schmendricks are so certain that Lee Harvey is not the shooter, is because the KGB has massaged that story since you were negative 15 years of age.
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Post by slaytan on May 25, 2017 17:25:37 GMT -5
Good God you're a conspiracy nut .....But Matt isn't? The conservative circle jerk is still going strong, I see Shut up dick face, I thought you would get my joke, as I am universally regarded as the forum conspiracy nut based on my long held assertions that Russians have attempted to influence politics and events in the world by means other than compelling, straightforward, honest discussion |
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Post by Angelo on May 25, 2017 17:34:10 GMT -5
JFK was killed because he and his father reneged on his deals with the Corsican mafia. He was buddy buddy with the military industrial conflict and let them know policy direction so they could benefit, they didn't kill him. Be honest. If I said what you said about the Corsican's, would you have countered with what I said, or even something else entirely?.....Just to be different and unique? No, I've said it before, actually in response to you on the old forums (at least I think it was you). Look at his father's history. He wasn't quite the bootlegger like people think, lots of illegal stuff sure, but not much bootlegging. He was working with the Corsican mafia at the time and they made the agreement to fix the vote (which they wound up proving JFK had like 2 million illegitimate votes and Nixon decided he didn't want to bring it to court because he didn't want to throw the US into turmoil for that kinda constitutional crisis). In return he was supposed to look the other way on various importations and let some people just "walk" outta prison and others get some no-bids. However Johnny boy didn't have that same honour and fear of power that his father did and decided to say fuck it I'm the president nothing you can do about it. Well they did something about it. |
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Post by PatSox on May 25, 2017 17:41:11 GMT -5
.....But Matt isn't? The conservative circle jerk is still going strong, I see Shut up dick face, I thought you would get my joke, as I am universally regarded as the forum conspiracy nut based on my long held assertions that Russians have attempted to influence politics and events in the world by means other than compelling, straightforward, honest discussion I never thought of you as the forum conspiracy nut I always just thought of you as a liar |
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Post by slaytan on May 25, 2017 19:19:26 GMT -5
Shut up dick face, I thought you would get my joke, as I am universally regarded as the forum conspiracy nut based on my long held assertions that Russians have attempted to influence politics and events in the world by means other than compelling, straightforward, honest discussion I never thought of you as the forum conspiracy nut I always just thought of you as a liar Curious: what do you think I have lied about? |
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Post by Baph on May 25, 2017 22:06:32 GMT -5
I have two theories on JFK and they're both pretty unpopular.
One, the party line. LHO has some serious dirt on his hands, did some weird, weird shit, particularly directly after the shooting, and to some degree or another appears to be involved.
There's another theory that nests within that story that explains away all the cover-up and conspiracy behind it in a very simple, compelling way. He was shot at by Oswald (missed, struck street light/sidewalk) then shot by Oswald (neck), then had his fucking face exploded from 15' away by a secret service agent who was scrambling to get out of the back seat of his trail car in response to the first two gunshots and slipped and fired on accident. When this came to light everyone went into massive cover-up mode. You don't lose a POTUS over incompetent friendly fire. Crucify Owsald, burn the autopsy, ship everything to DC, radio silence. Thus, the conspiracy theories were given fertile ground to take root.
There's a book called Mortal Error that outlines the later theory, and the argument is strong, to say the lease. It also very powerfully explains away the bizarre actions of some of the shadowy figures in the cover up with a much more tangible boogey man than secred CIA/mafia/soviet ninjas.
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Post by Baph on May 25, 2017 22:08:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 7:38:04 GMT -5
Montana. Did you guys see that? Guy who's running for Congress choke slams a reporter -attains mount- delivers g'n'p- in front of all kinds of other reporters. Has misdemeanor assault charges filed against him. Still wins election the next day. Rock the fuck on, Montana.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 7:52:16 GMT -5
You guys should play JFK Reloaded. It's a pretty cool game, but it's from 2003 so the physics for the bullets are...suspect at best.
FWIW, I think Oswald acted alone insofar as he was the only shooter. I have no earthly idea whom he was working for though, and I don't think he did it of his own accord.
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Post by PatSox on May 26, 2017 14:41:27 GMT -5
I never thought of you as the forum conspiracy nut I always just thought of you as a liar Curious: what do you think I have lied about? You said Chelsea Clinton was beautiful |
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Post by slaytan on May 26, 2017 16:41:04 GMT -5
You guys should play JFK Reloaded. It's a pretty cool game, but it's from 2003 so the physics for the bullets are...suspect at best. FWIW, I think Oswald acted alone insofar as he was the only shooter. I have no earthly idea whom he was working for though, and I don't think he did it of his own accord. Not shitting on your opinion, the single shooter part of which I am in total agreement with (partial agreement on the rest), but why wouldn't he have done it of his own accord? Do you doubt that in every city, there is at least one nut job who would kill the president (whomever he is) if he saw his way clear to? The Jack Ruby wrinkle makes it really stink of conspiracy. Two weirdo nut jobs? |
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Post by Hunter on May 26, 2017 17:13:36 GMT -5
I have two theories on JFK and they're both pretty unpopular. One, the party line. LHO has some serious dirt on his hands, did some weird, weird shit, particularly directly after the shooting, and to some degree or another appears to be involved. There's another theory that nests within that story that explains away all the cover-up and conspiracy behind it in a very simple, compelling way. He was shot at by Oswald (missed, struck street light/sidewalk) then shot by Oswald (neck), then had his fucking face exploded from 15' away by a secret service agent who was scrambling to get out of the back seat of his trail car in response to the first two gunshots and slipped and fired on accident. When this came to light everyone went into massive cover-up mode. You don't lose a POTUS over incompetent friendly fire. Crucify Owsald, burn the autopsy, ship everything to DC, radio silence. Thus, the conspiracy theories were given fertile ground to take root. There's a book called Mortal Error that outlines the later theory, and the argument is strong, to say the lease. It also very powerfully explains away the bizarre actions of some of the shadowy figures in the cover up with a much more tangible boogey man than secred CIA/mafia/soviet ninjas. I've read the book and agree with the 2nd theory seeming like the most accurate as to what happened. Secret service was startled, slipped and had his finger on the trigger. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 18:30:02 GMT -5
You guys should play JFK Reloaded. It's a pretty cool game, but it's from 2003 so the physics for the bullets are...suspect at best. FWIW, I think Oswald acted alone insofar as he was the only shooter. I have no earthly idea whom he was working for though, and I don't think he did it of his own accord. Not shitting on your opinion, the single shooter part of which I am in total agreement with (partial agreement on the rest), but why wouldn't he have done it of his own accord? Do you doubt that in every city, there is at least one nut job who would kill the president (whomever he is) if he saw his way clear to? The Jack Ruby wrinkle makes it really stink of conspiracy. Two weirdo nut jobs? He had way too much baggage and too many contacts with "undesirables" to have done it of his own accord. Well, I guess I'll grant you that he could have been influenced by others, maybe even trying to gain favor with somebody. But I just don't think he had any particular reason to pull this off. Let's not forget "I am a patsy." And you already mentioned the odd tale of Jack Ruby as well. |
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Post by slaytan on May 26, 2017 19:57:09 GMT -5
I have two theories on JFK and they're both pretty unpopular. One, the party line. LHO has some serious dirt on his hands, did some weird, weird shit, particularly directly after the shooting, and to some degree or another appears to be involved. There's another theory that nests within that story that explains away all the cover-up and conspiracy behind it in a very simple, compelling way. He was shot at by Oswald (missed, struck street light/sidewalk) then shot by Oswald (neck), then had his fucking face exploded from 15' away by a secret service agent who was scrambling to get out of the back seat of his trail car in response to the first two gunshots and slipped and fired on accident. When this came to light everyone went into massive cover-up mode. You don't lose a POTUS over incompetent friendly fire. Crucify Owsald, burn the autopsy, ship everything to DC, radio silence. Thus, the conspiracy theories were given fertile ground to take root. There's a book called Mortal Error that outlines the later theory, and the argument is strong, to say the lease. It also very powerfully explains away the bizarre actions of some of the shadowy figures in the cover up with a much more tangible boogey man than secred CIA/mafia/soviet ninjas. I've read the book and agree with the 2nd theory seeming like the most accurate as to what happened. Secret service was startled, slipped and had his finger on the trigger. This belief, while plausible I suppose, depends entirely on the perception that the killshot came from the front, which is IMO a visual misperception. His head jerking back IMO was a body twitch resulting from the brain exploding, not energy from a bullet. I've seen a lot f liveleak shooting footage and bullets seem to just pass through bodies, without really influencing the overall direction of the body part. Shoot a cantaloupe in your backyard and the same thing happens. The melon isnt propelled backwards, it just pops in place As for the pink cloud: the car was moving forward at around 11-14 mph at the moment of impact, which is 15- 20 feet per second. The zapruder film was 17 frames per second. So it would very much appear as if the cloud materialized behind his head even if it did not, which it did not. It appeared above and to the right of kennedy's head, because it blew the top right quadrant of his melon out. Consider: 17 frames per second zapruder film. The very first frame that the cloud appears in depicts it at least six inches and as much as a foot behind it's actual position relative to Kennedy's head. By the time the second frame flashes, it's at least 18 inches behind. |
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Post by Baph on May 26, 2017 22:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 7:00:07 GMT -5
If it really was the secret service who accidentally killed him:
Great metaphor for our government.
That which was intended to protect actually destroyed what it was created to protect.
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Post by PatSox on May 27, 2017 7:15:04 GMT -5
What convinced me that it wasn't just Oswald was not what happened during the shooting, but everything before and after. The protocols that were ignored, the strange decisions they made on where to send that motorcade and how to protect it. And the endless stream of shady doings after the shooting, with how they dealt with eye witnesses, how they handled the operation at the hospital, the autopsy, how easy they made it for someone to get to Oswald, to tie that loose end up. The Warren Commission. How much Johnson increased our deployment to Vietnam after Kennedy's death
On the subject of eye witness'. They, along with other persons of interest related to the assassination certainly seemed to have an abnormally high mortality rate over the next few years
There's just too much smoke and it involves way too much verbal and logic gymnastics to try and explain it all away
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