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Post by boboplata on Apr 3, 2017 20:04:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 20:12:27 GMT -5
I know jack shit about war and how warfare would go when it comes to trying to eliminate a threat like this. That being said, I feel that you need to have an iron fist, crush completely and without mercy, politics and human rights be damned. And I feel that Putin may just be the man with enough power to get something like this done.
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Post by adamg01 on Apr 3, 2017 20:21:57 GMT -5
I know jack shit about war and how warfare would go when it comes to trying to eliminate a threat like this. That being said, I feel that you need to have an iron fist, crush completely and without mercy, politics and human rights be damned. And I feel that Putin may just be the man with enough power to get something like this done. Russia isn't any better trained or equipped but they are willing to do things that the bleeding hearts here won't allow. You are right, Russia is the fight they don't want to start. Here is one example. moonbattery.com/?p=49456
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Post by boboplata on Apr 3, 2017 20:23:01 GMT -5
What scares me is the retaliation. These guys don't have collateral damage in their vocabulary. I haven't researched enough if they're going for former soviet states or syria. My money is on former soviet states,. Putin is trying to consolidate power in the region before he tackles NATO whose members have been cucked by refugees.
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Post by Angelo on Apr 3, 2017 21:11:52 GMT -5
What scares me is the retaliation. These guys don't have collateral damage in their vocabulary. I haven't researched enough if they're going for former soviet states or syria. My money is on former soviet states,. Putin is trying to consolidate power in the region before he tackles NATO whose members have been cucked by refugees. It less that they don't have it in their vocabulary and more they don't have the resources to prevent it anymore. They rely on old-school tech (for the most part). If they didn't cannibalize their military in the 90s early 00s, they'd be doing the drone strikes and precision missiles too. Though they are a bit more influenced by global politics than the US meaning they are more likely to use that tech to prevent collateral damage unlike the US because most of the US citizens don't give two shits or even knows it is happening. The thing with Russia though is it is even more likely the attack was by Chechen separatists. Fighting back against them is harder than ISIS. That said, if Russia decided to say fuck it to their soviet state issues, domestic riots, etc... and focus what little they do have against ISIS... They could do serious damage but it would bite them on the ass. Sure, they could basically flatten Syria, but they wouldn't be prepared for the backlash after exhausting as much as they would have to for that alone. Russia is basically playing guerilla wars with legit state backing, and dressing it up as legit military when in fact it is held together by duct tape. Russia in terms of ISIS should just keep being that annoying bug, while selling them their weapons, stealing them back, selling them again. It safer and better for Russia to keep doing what they doing than launch a legit offensive.
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Post by Baph on Apr 3, 2017 21:38:05 GMT -5
Putin has backed himself into a corner, though, with the hyper alpha male bullshit, and anything short of a pretty strong response to this will look hypocritical and weak. Frankly, I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if Russia really opened up both barrels on ISIS for a few weeks. We've dinked and dunked with these guys long enough.
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Post by matt on Apr 3, 2017 23:45:07 GMT -5
The Bush and Obama administrations did a good job of weaponizing these crazy Islamic people and now the global elite left wing socialists are spreading these human weapons around the globe in their efforts to eliminate capatalism and whites in a bid for global domination. Islam is nothing more than a machine gun that politicians can fire off without personally stepping onto a battlefield. And yes, your hometown is a battlefield,even if you don't know it.
Muslim refugees = trojan horse...
a Trojan Horse that our own leaders built and now they're trying to park it on our doorstep. Europe is fully cucked, and they glady invited the aids infected prostitute into bed, but the US still has a few boys with their balls and brains intact. And we said fuck your Trojan Horse.
Putin doesn't seem to like the Islamic terrorists either.
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Post by Angelo on Apr 4, 2017 0:07:24 GMT -5
The Bush and Obama administrations did a good job of weaponizing these crazy Islamic people and now the global elite left wing socialists are spreading these human weapons around the globe in their efforts to eliminate capatalism and whites in a bid for global domination. Islam is nothing more than a machine gun that politicians can fire off without personally stepping onto a battlefield. And yes, your hometown is a battlefield,even if you don't know it. Muslim refugees = trojan horse... a Trojan Horse that our own leaders built and now they're trying to park it on our doorstep. Europe is fully cucked, and they glady invited the aids infected prostitute into bed, but the US still has a few boys with their balls and brains intact. And we said fuck your Trojan Horse. Putin doesn't seem to like the Islamic terrorists either. As much as both administrations weaponized them (but they deserve weapons as everyone does), Bush did damage Iran's Nuclear weapon capabilities enough that even Obama's fuckups couldn't weaponize them in his tenures.
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Post by PatSox on Apr 4, 2017 9:35:05 GMT -5
Poisonous gas, apparently
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Post by Tapout on Apr 4, 2017 15:14:07 GMT -5
I know jack shit about war and how warfare would go when it comes to trying to eliminate a threat like this. That being said, I feel that you need to have an iron fist, crush completely and without mercy, politics and human rights be damned. And I feel that Putin may just be the man with enough power to get something like this done. Trust me, you don't. Its impossible. I've seen it firsthand. You'll think you're winning. But you'll never actually eliminate them. Impossible. Your just planting the seeds for future "plants"
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Post by Baph on Apr 5, 2017 1:06:14 GMT -5
I know jack shit about war and how warfare would go when it comes to trying to eliminate a threat like this. That being said, I feel that you need to have an iron fist, crush completely and without mercy, politics and human rights be damned. And I feel that Putin may just be the man with enough power to get something like this done. Trust me, you don't. Its impossible. I've seen it firsthand. You'll think you're winning. But you'll never actually eliminate them. Impossible. Your just planting the seeds for future "plants" Absolutely correct. The "tough on crime" cops will eliminate drug crime before "tough on terror" military action eliminates radical islamic terrorists. Doesn't mean it won't feel good to see Russia hammer these ISIS fucks. But the long game . . . yeah, it's gonna take a totally different approach. Totally, radically different. The tragedy, and maybe the greatest tragedy of our time, is that MANY of these nations were on that radically different path just a few decades ago. Iraq was a secular government with the highest literacy rate in the region. Women business owners. Decent schools. Lots of oil money, museums, etc. Iran has seen three major revolutions from women and students attempting to overthrow theocracy and become more modernized and secular. Same in Egypt. The whole region was on the brink of turning into something like Jordan and Dubai and kind of getting it's act together. God, could you imagine? A very different world we'd live in. Imagine stability, abundant trade, even tourism in the middle east. But, for reasons above my pay grade, it all failed and the pendulum does what it does, and now things are more regressive and radicalized than ever, full burkas, sharia law, absolutely stifling, violent religious repression, subjugation, and terrorism.
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Post by slaytan on Apr 5, 2017 13:01:07 GMT -5
I know jack shit about war and how warfare would go when it comes to trying to eliminate a threat like this. That being said, I feel that you need to have an iron fist, crush completely and without mercy, politics and human rights be damned. And I feel that Putin may just be the man with enough power to get something like this done. Trust me, you don't. Its impossible. I've seen it firsthand. You'll think you're winning. But you'll never actually eliminate them. Impossible. Your just planting the seeds for future "plants" I get what you're saying but World War Two did not seem to plant any seeds, in spite of the fact that nobody knew the definition of collateral damage, and indeed the term may not have even been coined yet. I think you're confusing an iron fist with a "shock and awe" campaign. The real reason we can't win comes down very simply to the fact that we were successfully infiltrated and now our own government works to thwart victory while our media is an unrelenting PSYOPS juggernaut for the enemy. If the media alone were in the tank for, instead of against, America, the world would be at peace and in love with America. And America would be something worth loving
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Post by Baph on Apr 5, 2017 13:21:14 GMT -5
Poisonous gas, apparently Would appear this was Assad's work and not the Russians, or am I misinformed on this? Also, why is Syria OUR problem? Are Germany, France, Italy, UK, Jordan, all just ok with kids being gassed and killed in the streets? It's right there in their own back yard. Why does the country from the other side of the planet need to come over there to stop a genocide? Getting real sick of your shit, Europe.
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Post by Baph on Apr 5, 2017 13:23:24 GMT -5
Trust me, you don't. Its impossible. I've seen it firsthand. You'll think you're winning. But you'll never actually eliminate them. Impossible. Your just planting the seeds for future "plants" I get what you're saying but World War Two did not seem to plant any seeds, in spite of the fact that nobody knew the definition of collateral damage, and indeed the term may not have even been coined yet. I think you're confusing an iron fist with a "shock and awe" campaign. The real reason we can't win comes down very simply to the fact that we were successfully infiltrated and now our own government works to thwart victory while our media is an unrelenting PSYOPS juggernaut for the enemy. If the media alone were in the tank for, instead of against, America, the world would be at peace and in love with America. And America would be something worth loving There may be some cultural/economic reasons that WW2 outcomes vs Middle East outcomes don't resemble each other. Deeply tribal, violent peoples just don't seem to operate on the same cause/effect axis as the first world does. The second part of your post sounds like a ridiculous conspiracy theory, but my gut tells me it's probably fairly accurate, and that's some fucked up shit to come to terms with.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 13:31:35 GMT -5
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Post by BlamerDeathMetal on Apr 5, 2017 15:18:06 GMT -5
I think it's insane that the sitting president would blame the former president of his own country, rather than put the attack solely on the shoulder's of the dictator that did it.
Instead of focusing on obama's line in the sand, this guy needs to focus on Assad's pledge in 2014 to never use chemical weapons.
This is a perfect example of the nation being led by a man-child focuses more on pretty finger pointing than being a leader. We look very, very soft. And after all the blistering is over, we will do absolutely nothing.
Let's just go: Hey, we are a baby administration and we aren't about shit. Have at it rest of world. All that big talk was to assuage simple minded white people that are afraid of Mexicans and taxes. We are just hoping to get 100 new manufacturing jobs in Michigan. Now if you're I'll excuse us, we have a political shitshow full of infighting like an actual reality tv episode.
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Post by LookAtMeLookAtMeDeathMetal on Apr 5, 2017 15:27:31 GMT -5
Pretty sure this whole thing is still Bush's fault. Been saying it for 28 years, might as well stick with it.
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Post by ToNoAvail on Apr 5, 2017 15:57:07 GMT -5
I think it's insane that the sitting president would blame the former president of his own country, rather than put the attack solely on the shoulder's of the dictator that did it. Instead of focusing on obama's line in the sand, this guy needs to focus on Assad's pledge in 2014 to never use chemical weapons. This is a perfect example of the nation being led by a man-child focuses more on pretty finger pointing than being a leader. We look very, very soft. And after all the blistering is over, we will do absolutely nothing. Let's just go: Hey, we are a baby administration and we aren't about shit. Have at it rest of world. All that big talk was to assuage simple minded white people that are afraid of Mexicans and taxes. We are just hoping to get 100 new manufacturing jobs in Michigan. Now if you're I'll excuse us, we have a political shitshow full of infighting like an actual reality tv episode. What's "pretty finger pointing"? Like, a bedazzled index?
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Post by BlamerDeathMetal on Apr 5, 2017 16:37:12 GMT -5
I think it's insane that the sitting president would blame the former president of his own country, rather than put the attack solely on the shoulder's of the dictator that did it. Instead of focusing on obama's line in the sand, this guy needs to focus on Assad's pledge in 2014 to never use chemical weapons. This is a perfect example of the nation being led by a man-child focuses more on pretty finger pointing than being a leader. We look very, very soft. And after all the blistering is over, we will do absolutely nothing. Let's just go: Hey, we are a baby administration and we aren't about shit. Have at it rest of world. All that big talk was to assuage simple minded white people that are afraid of Mexicans and taxes. We are just hoping to get 100 new manufacturing jobs in Michigan. Now if you're I'll excuse us, we have a political shitshow full of infighting like an actual reality tv episode. What's "pretty finger pointing"? Like, a bedazzled index? I didn't come up with that typo. I inherited this mess from a previous poster. It's not my fault. It's his.
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Post by ToNoAvail on Apr 5, 2017 17:12:10 GMT -5
What's "pretty finger pointing"? Like, a bedazzled index? I didn't come up with that typo. I inherited this mess from a previous poster. It's not my fault. It's his. Oh, ok. I'll give you some time to fix it then.
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Post by slaytan on Apr 5, 2017 17:52:50 GMT -5
Pretty sure this whole thing is still Bush's fault. Been saying it for 28 years, might as well stick with it. No president in history had as great an opportunity to usher in world peace and unfathomable prosperity and happiness, with America as the leader accepted and even endorsed by all, as George H. W. Bush did in the early 1990's. For mysterious reasons, he chose the "New World Order" instead.
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Post by Baph on Apr 5, 2017 22:53:51 GMT -5
Ron Paul 11 hrs · Does anyone believe that on the eve of peace talks, just after the White House said the Syrian people should choose their own leaders, that Assad would launch a gas attack to turn the whole world against him?
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Post by Baph on Apr 6, 2017 20:41:13 GMT -5
Shit done got real. 60 US Tomahawks just slammed into a Syrian air field and weapons sites. Already seeing rumors that there may have been Russian aircraft at that field. The fucking Chinese president is at a resort with Trump. Nobody gets any warning. Wow. Funny way of colluding. But also . . . now what? Yet another emotional foray into the sand trap; another doomed save-a-ho mission in a 3rd world Islamic shit hole. And what's the end game? This dude is actively fighting ISIS and we take him out . . . and then what? Also seem to remember Trump repeatedly harping on anti-interventionism during his campaign, even specific to ISIS.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 21:10:21 GMT -5
At face value I do not agree with the middle strikes
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Post by Baph on Apr 6, 2017 21:31:33 GMT -5
At face value I do not agree with the middle strikes What about the ones on the edges?
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Post by Baph on Apr 6, 2017 21:41:24 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 21:48:43 GMT -5
At face value I do not agree with the middle strikes What about the ones on the edges? Smart phones👎
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Post by slaytan on Apr 7, 2017 6:14:59 GMT -5
At face value I do not agree with the middle strikes Me neither. Hope Trump has not been lured into a trap
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Post by PatSox on Apr 7, 2017 7:04:49 GMT -5
In one way, I can see the side of, if you're SURE this is where the chemical attack came from. And you fear they will do it again. Then yeah, take that fucking place out
But you also have the fact that you just attacked a Russian allied country that is in a fight with ISIS. That could have some bad fall out, if things escalate
And if I'm being fair. This isn't all on Trump. This is a complete military call, that he was told about by probably half a dozen high ranking generals, who convinced him this is the proper response. If things go terribly wrong here, they shouldn't skate on this
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Post by slaytan on Apr 7, 2017 7:37:22 GMT -5
In one way, I can see the side of, if you're SURE this is where the chemical attack came from. And you fear they will do it again. Then yeah, take that fucking place out But you also have the fact that you just attacked a Russian allied country that is in a fight with ISIS. That could have some bad fall out, if things escalate And if I'm being fair. This isn't all on Trump. This is a complete military call, that he was told about by probably half a dozen high ranking generals, who convinced him this is the proper response. If things go terribly wrong here, they shouldn't skate on this I can't disagree with any of this. As in 2003, when I didn't like the invasion of Iraq but I "trusted" that GWB had information that I did not. Turns out he didn't seem to at all, and a 27 year old pot head knew better than the president. I don't like it one bit, so far
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