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Post by MMAJim on Apr 7, 2017 8:40:01 GMT -5
From what I have read so far, we did in fact give Russia notice. I'm cynical about it, but as far as measuring military actions, this does seem measured and concise enough to send a real message.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 9:15:06 GMT -5
Thinking about this further this is the same play that Assad made against the newly elected Obama. I am guessing he gassed those people to test where Trump stands and what he will do, much the same he did with Obama. Obviously Obama pussed out, and 8 years later 300,000 people were dead.
I am hopeful that Trump contacted the Kremlin, told them this was a one-time event and made sure not to put any Russian people or assets in harms way. That could go a long way in shoring up any future support between the 2.
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Post by PatSox on Apr 7, 2017 9:37:23 GMT -5
Thinking about this further this is the same play that Assad made against the newly elected Obama. I am guessing he gassed those people to test where Trump stands and what he will do, much the same he did with Obama. Obviously Obama pussed out, and 8 years later 300,000 people were dead. I am hopeful that Trump contacted the Kremlin, told them this was a one-time event and made sure not to put any Russian people or assets in harms way. That could go a long way in shoring up any future support between the 2. I'm sure he did. Even if no one in his cabinet thought of it, Xi Jinping sure would have
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Post by MMAJim on Apr 7, 2017 9:46:07 GMT -5
I would dare say that Russia gave a subtle head nod when they got the notice. Last I read, no Russian personnel were injured in the strike (as of what I read 2 hours ago anyway).
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Post by Baph on Apr 7, 2017 10:07:13 GMT -5
In one way, I can see the side of, if you're SURE this is where the chemical attack came from. And you fear they will do it again. Then yeah, take that fucking place out But you also have the fact that you just attacked a Russian allied country that is in a fight with ISIS. That could have some bad fall out, if things escalate And if I'm being fair. This isn't all on Trump. This is a complete military call, that he was told about by probably half a dozen high ranking generals, who convinced him this is the proper response. If things go terribly wrong here, they shouldn't skate on this I can't disagree with any of this. As in 2003, when I didn't like the invasion of Iraq but I "trusted" that GWB had information that I did not. Turns out he didn't seem to at all, and a 27 year old pot head knew better than the president. I don't like it one bit, so far So here's an interesting connection there -- some speculation that the chemical weapons in Syria came from Iraq when we announced our invasion 60 days prior to actually doing it and he cleared out his stockpiles.
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Post by Baph on Apr 7, 2017 10:10:59 GMT -5
From what I have read so far, we did in fact give Russia notice. I'm cynical about it, but as far as measuring military actions, this does seem measured and concise enough to send a real message. Looks like no formal warning, but directly to the ground forces via back channels (you know, the shit that gets established during collusion that prevents world wars) advanced warning was given. Also, we don't get the real data: we get what our side wants us to hear. And Russia puts out what their side wants to hear. For all we know, they planned this together then Russia walks away and says "how dare you *wink, wink*". Also, yes, seems very measured. They have six airfields; you take out one of them. If they do it again, you take out the other five. It's also widely being confirmed as specific to the weapons stores and air field which the attack originated from, so without destabilizing the already volatile situation, we've essentially slapped the hand that just used toxic gas on a bunch of kids in the street.
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Post by slaytan on Apr 7, 2017 10:15:09 GMT -5
I can't disagree with any of this. As in 2003, when I didn't like the invasion of Iraq but I "trusted" that GWB had information that I did not. Turns out he didn't seem to at all, and a 27 year old pot head knew better than the president. I don't like it one bit, so far So here's an interesting connection there -- some speculation that the chemical weapons in Syria came from Iraq when we announced our invasion 60 days prior to actually doing it and he cleared out his stockpiles. I'm fairly certain the wmd made it to Syria. That's also what I thought in 2003. My "opposition" was not for moral or ethical reasons, but practical ones. I didn't think we would do very well, and I did not like that we were telegraphing our moves
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Post by Baph on Apr 7, 2017 10:18:21 GMT -5
Thinking about this further this is the same play that Assad made against the newly elected Obama. I am guessing he gassed those people to test where Trump stands and what he will do, much the same he did with Obama. Obviously Obama pussed out, and 8 years later 300,000 people were dead. I am hopeful that Trump contacted the Kremlin, told them this was a one-time event and made sure not to put any Russian people or assets in harms way. That could go a long way in shoring up any future support between the 2. This is an important point that a lot of folks are missing. And I'll include Ron Paul and the conspiratorial guys in with this group. This is a pattern of boundary testing Assad has shown with new leaders in the past and he's been conditioned to believe it's going to be tolerated. The U.N. will do nothing. Other Arab nations will do nothing. Europe will do nothing. China and Russia actually support it or at the very least turn a blind eye to "what needs to be done to quell rebellion." So if he's testing the waters about future and more wide spread chemical attacks on civilian targets . . . is anybody going to stand up and stay anything?
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Post by Baph on Apr 7, 2017 10:19:07 GMT -5
So here's an interesting connection there -- some speculation that the chemical weapons in Syria came from Iraq when we announced our invasion 60 days prior to actually doing it and he cleared out his stockpiles. I'm fairly certain the wmd made it to Syria. That's also what I thought in 2003. My "opposition" was not for moral or ethical reasons, but practical ones. I didn't think we would do very well, and I did not like that we were telegraphing our moves I feel exactly the same right now. I have no ethical objection, but serious practical concerns over where this thing might end up should any escalation occur.
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Post by Makes you think on Apr 7, 2017 15:56:06 GMT -5
And somehow Iraq and Syria were better off before US involvement.
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