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Post by matt on Feb 20, 2017 12:55:11 GMT -5
So basically, what you're saying, is that your experience with him was limited to him being on a leftist show where he was not given much time Yes, that is exactly what I am saying... I thought I was pretty clear on that. Well, it's a good thing you decided to make some harsh criticisms shaped as rhetoricle questions without being fully informed on the subject. But you admit that you're uninformed, so apparently that admittance thereby makes your criticisms valid somehow.
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Post by hammerfaust on Feb 20, 2017 13:08:59 GMT -5
Yes, that is exactly what I am saying... I thought I was pretty clear on that. Well, it's a good thing you decided to make some harsh criticisms shaped as rhetoricle questions without being fully informed on the subject. But you admit that you're uninformed, so apparently that admittance thereby makes your criticisms valid somehow. I didn't think my criticism was all that harsh, all I really said was that I expected more. I think you guys are a little too touchy... Do you think his appearance on Bill Maher was great and showed what/who he truly is? Maybe Baph was right and he was just coked up that night. That being said I will check out the podcast that SGM posted to see what the big deal with Milo is.
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Post by matt on Feb 20, 2017 13:20:11 GMT -5
Well, it's a good thing you decided to make some harsh criticisms shaped as rhetoricle questions without being fully informed on the subject. But you admit that you're uninformed, so apparently that admittance thereby makes your criticisms valid somehow. I didn't think my criticism was all that harsh, all I really said was that I expected more. I think you guys are a little too touchy... Do you think his appearance on Bill Maher was great and showed what/who he truly is? Maybe Baph was right and he was just coked up that night. That being said I will check out the podcast that SGM posted to see what the big deal with Milo is. But you were content with the high level counter debate of "go fuck yourself"??
Again, this just shows the accountability issues the left side has. Bill Maher runs a shit show and he books useless counter debate guests and you blame the one guy who was trying have a factual debate. You're obviously an informed guy, so the coy act is a bit odd, honestly. Obviously this wasn't a place for milo to showcase his goods, it was a lefty show, so you should have had your expectations realistically set.
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Post by hammerfaust on Feb 20, 2017 13:48:09 GMT -5
I didn't think my criticism was all that harsh, all I really said was that I expected more. I think you guys are a little too touchy... Do you think his appearance on Bill Maher was great and showed what/who he truly is? Maybe Baph was right and he was just coked up that night. That being said I will check out the podcast that SGM posted to see what the big deal with Milo is. But you were content with the high level counter debate of "go fuck yourself"??
Again, this just shows the accountability issues the left side has. Bill Maher runs a shit show and he books useless counter debate guests and you blame the one guy who was trying have a factual debate. You're obviously an informed guy, so the coy act is a bit odd, honestly. Obviously this wasn't a place for milo to showcase his goods, it was a lefty show, so you should have had your expectations realistically set. Well, I honestly had to google what you were talking about. I didn't watch the overtime segment (until just now). I'm not a fan of Larry Wilmore and he was off the rails, 'go fuck yourself' is not much of a debate tactic. My expectations were set by this thread... 'Milo has shown he is good at shutting up his opponent.'
'Milo is a master debater I don't think they'll be able to verbally beat him up even if they load the panel with a liberal goof squad. Should be fun, maybe I'll tune in.'
'If they let Milo on the panel, it's going to be something to watch. He will decimate most of the clowns in Bill Maher's circus. Looking forward to watching that.'
It's the same as a fight that doesn't live up to the hype.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 14:01:51 GMT -5
In defense of my panel circus comment- Maher wouldn't have Milo on the actual panel, he was relegated to the overtime YouTube show where it's 100% fine to just tell someone to go fuck themselves when you can't come up with a coherent retort. That was not the format I was talking about. I was saying if Milo was on the actual panel and made one of the three voices across from Maher rather than being next to Maher and being the target himself in Overtime, he would school clowns like Wilmore.
The thing about Milo is that he's not pushing some new idea. All he's saying is that freedom of speech protects all speech, and it rightfully should. He just so happens to be articulate and pretty quick witted, which seems to irritate/enrage the progressive left who seem to want to control what can and cannot be said.
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Post by matt on Feb 20, 2017 14:30:37 GMT -5
But you were content with the high level counter debate of "go fuck yourself"??
Again, this just shows the accountability issues the left side has. Bill Maher runs a shit show and he books useless counter debate guests and you blame the one guy who was trying have a factual debate. You're obviously an informed guy, so the coy act is a bit odd, honestly. Obviously this wasn't a place for milo to showcase his goods, it was a lefty show, so you should have had your expectations realistically set. Well, I honestly had to google what you were talking about. I didn't watch the overtime segment (until just now). I'm not a fan of Larry Wilmore and he was off the rails, 'go fuck yourself' is not much of a debate tactic. My expectations were set by this thread... 'Milo has shown he is good at shutting up his opponent.'
'Milo is a master debater I don't think they'll be able to verbally beat him up even if they load the panel with a liberal goof squad. Should be fun, maybe I'll tune in.'
'If they let Milo on the panel, it's going to be something to watch. He will decimate most of the clowns in Bill Maher's circus. Looking forward to watching that.'
It's the same as a fight that doesn't live up to the hype. my initial statement turned out to be pretty accurate. The panel was a liberal goof squad indeed, and milo held form when they tried to drag him under. Was it riveting? No. Did I learn anything new? No, because I rarely watch tv, and I usually gather my info elsewhere, anyhow. You should check out some of Milo's journalism pieces. And some of his actual debates. This was scripted television and it only went where they would allow it. Nowhere and then into the trash.
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Post by mmaphreak on Feb 20, 2017 20:52:22 GMT -5
Well, it's a good thing you decided to make some harsh criticisms shaped as rhetoricle questions without being fully informed on the subject. But you admit that you're uninformed, so apparently that admittance thereby makes your criticisms valid somehow. I didn't think my criticism was all that harsh, all I really said was that I expected more. I think you guys are a little too touchy... Do you think his appearance on Bill Maher was great and showed what/who he truly is? Maybe Baph was right and he was just coked up that night. That being said I will check out the podcast that SGM posted to see what the big deal with Milo is. that just wasn't a good outlet for milo (the after party or whatever the fuck it was). maher gave that liberal trash carte blanche to drone on but when milo started to get going maher literally told him to shut up. after the second time he told him to shut up i stopped watching. this was milo's first "big time" interview. he was a bit star struck by the whole thing. once he gets a couple more of these under his belt he won't let shit bags like maher push him around like that. as for the one on one with maher, that was horrible as well, but that was all maher. maher might as well have been a 19 year old girl interviewing milo for teen magazine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 21:59:07 GMT -5
I like Milo but two things about him irritate me. 1) He was too scared to debate Ben Shapiro over the alt right aND (2) Even though I hate her, Milo did try to slander (or libel I guess) Leslie Jones. He made fake Tweets and posted them saying she had made nasty comments to him when she did not. He purposefully tried to make her look bad and seem like she was attacking him which is against Twitter policy. He wasn't a victim in that scenario.
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Post by mmaphreak on Feb 20, 2017 22:21:25 GMT -5
just about everyone who has any degree of "fame" won't debate shapiro (at least since he destroyed that brittish dude, the america's got talent guy. can't remember his name). he shreds them all. only ones who will debate him are nobodies trying to make a name for themselves and they always fail miserably.
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Post by Baph on Feb 21, 2017 0:04:18 GMT -5
Debating Ben Shapiro is something nobody on Earth not named Christopher Hitchens should do, and he's dead, so avoid at all costs. Debating Ben Shapiro is about like going on The Daily Show. I mean . . . you're walking into a trap and there is literally no way you win this deal. It's like these dopey professors and priests and media bozos who thought it'd be a good idea to debate Hitchens back in the late 90s and ended up on a Highlight reel on YouTube of Hitchens savagery when he toys with you like a wounded baby deer in the paws of a bored lion.
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Post by slaytan on Feb 21, 2017 5:11:43 GMT -5
Debating Ben Shapiro is something nobody on Earth not named Christopher Hitchens should do, and he's dead, so avoid at all costs. Debating Ben Shapiro is about like going on The Daily Show. I mean . . . you're walking into a trap and there is literally no way you win this deal. It's like these dopey professors and priests and media bozos who thought it'd be a good idea to debate Hitchens back in the late 90s and ended up on a Highlight reel on YouTube of Hitchens savagery when he toys with you like a wounded baby deer in the paws of a bored lion. Well hitchens was usually debating the existence of God, which is like a home run derby with a corked bat swinging at teed up tennis balls. The only thing easier to argue is that [insert demographic here] are dumber and more crime-y than [some others], but none of the prizes for winning that one are worth having
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 7:13:51 GMT -5
just about everyone who has any degree of "fame" won't debate shapiro (at least since he destroyed that brittish dude, the america's got talent guy. can't remember his name). he shreds them all. only ones who will debate him are nobodies trying to make a name for themselves and they always fail miserably. Well... Milo did agree and was all about it but then dick tucked. Then he kept talking big game afterwards. It would have been entertaining at least...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 7:56:11 GMT -5
Debates are pretty retarded. 95% of the time people think that whomever they support "won" the debate. I was on the debate team in high school, and even there, they were stupid. I was an L-D debater, and even though it's supposed to be all about "who presented the better argument", I can pretty much say equivocally I won when I dressed nice and flattered the female judges. There were many times that I knocked it out of the park and "lost", yet other times where I showed up stoned and not giving a fuck, and won. It's very arbitrary, and has everything to do with anything OTHER than what you are debating.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 10:17:42 GMT -5
What I watched go down yesterday was scary and complete Madness. Ultra right-wing blog releases a maliciously edited video to make it seem like Milo condones and defends pedophilia. The problem is, I actually watched the whole Rogan podcast with Milo back in August. It was pretty obvious to me what he was talking about. He also made it clear that the relationship he was referring to was one that was legal because he was over the age of consent in the United Kingdom.
But, apparently all it takes to completely discredit someone is a twisted video that has obviously been edited, that makes gross allegations.
Milo's big appeal, at least to me, has been his unrelenting defense of free speech. Kind of like an offshoot of the anti-political correct movement, it focuses on the foundations of free speech. How you should be able to say pretty much anything, and not be silenced or physically punished. He goes about making this point by saying things that some people see as very outlandish. Sometimes he says things that could be considered downright offensive. But he always backs himself up with facts. I see a lot of value in a person like that, especially in times like now.
However, one maliciously edited video being pushed out by extremists on the right had the following effect yesterday.
Milo's invitation to speak at CPAC was rescinded. Not that big a deal. But then it snowballed, and those pussies at Simon & Schuster cancelled his already best-selling book. That is a big deal. Now those same right wing blogs are making a big deal out of six Breitbart employees saying they will quit if Milo is not fired.
I don't agree with everything Milo says. But I think he has an important voice, and it is obvious that specific groups are trying to silence him. Anytime someone who advocates for our freedom of speech is silenced by what amounts to the establishment, it has the potential to impact all of us.
I for one hope that some other Publishing Company picks up the millions of dollars that Simon & Schuster left on the table.
I actually had some dealings with Simon & Schuster a few years ago when I was off the board. They are spineless toad ass motherfuckers. They try to Bilk you of every penny you're going to make before you make it. They have no balls and are not Intrepid in any way. This is why their sales are down, and their best internal Talent has fled and jumped ship to go work at Amazon instead.
Free speech is under siege. Just because Trump won doesn't mean the attack on our freedom to say what we want has relented. It continues, this time with the attack coming from the far right. The people on the far right are just as fucking retarded as the people on the far left. Middle of the road entails balance. That is exactly what this country needs. Balance. Poise. The ability to hear things that we disagree with, without immediately attempting to silence those who speak things that we do not agree with. If you cannot effectively articulate why you have the position that you have, then you don't have a leg to stand on. But if you are never given the opportunity to articulate your position, we're heading down a very dangerous road.
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Post by jamesod on Feb 21, 2017 12:07:02 GMT -5
Well, it's a good thing you decided to make some harsh criticisms shaped as rhetoricle questions without being fully informed on the subject. But you admit that you're uninformed, so apparently that admittance thereby makes your criticisms valid somehow. I didn't think my criticism was all that harsh, all I really said was that I expected more. I think you guys are a little too touchy... Do you think his appearance on Bill Maher was great and showed what/who he truly is? Maybe Baph was right and he was just coked up that night. That being said I will check out the podcast that SGM posted to see what the big deal with Milo is. This is a thread about Milo's appearance on Bill Maher. I know that from the title of the thread and the OP. You posted your thoughts on... Milo's appearance on Bill Maher. You were unimpressed. You made clear that your opinion was limited to that one appearance on Bill Maher (the subject of this thread). I think that's totally fine. I'm not sure I'm understanding the criticisms of your post in this thread.
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Post by ocmmafan on Feb 21, 2017 12:25:05 GMT -5
What I watched go down yesterday was scary and complete Madness. Ultra right-wing blog releases a maliciously edited video to make it seem like Milo condones and defends pedophilia. The problem is, I actually watched the whole Rogan podcast with Milo back in August. It was pretty obvious to me what he was talking about. He also made it clear that the relationship he was referring to was one that was legal because he was over the age of consent in the United Kingdom. But, apparently all it takes to completely discredit someone is a twisted video that has obviously been edited, that makes gross allegations. Milo's big appeal, at least to me, has been his unrelenting defense of free speech. Kind of like an offshoot of the anti-political correct movement, it focuses on the foundations of free speech. How you should be able to say pretty much anything, and not be silenced or physically punished. He goes about making this point by saying things that some people see as very outlandish. Sometimes he says things that could be considered downright offensive. But he always backs himself up with facts. I see a lot of value in a person like that, especially in times like now. However, one maliciously edited video being pushed out by extremists on the right had the following effect yesterday. Milo's invitation to speak at CPAC was rescinded. Not that big a deal. But then it snowballed, and those pussies at Simon & Schuster cancelled his already best-selling book. That is a big deal. Now those same right wing blogs are making a big deal out of six Breitbart employees saying they will quit if Milo is not fired. I don't agree with everything Milo says. But I think he has an important voice, and it is obvious that specific groups are trying to silence him. Anytime someone who advocates for our freedom of speech is silenced by what amounts to the establishment, it has the potential to impact all of us. I for one hope that some other Publishing Company picks up the millions of dollars that Simon & Schuster left on the table. I actually had some dealings with Simon & Schuster a few years ago when I was off the board. They are spineless toad ass motherfuckers. They try to Bilk you of every penny you're going to make before you make it. They have no balls and are not Intrepid in any way. This is why their sales are down, and their best internal Talent has fled and jumped ship to go work at Amazon instead. Free speech is under siege. Just because Trump won doesn't mean the attack on our freedom to say what we want has relented. It continues, this time with the attack coming from the far right. The people on the far right are just as fucking retarded as the people on the far left. Middle of the road entails balance. That is exactly what this country needs. Balance. Poise. The ability to hear things that we disagree with, without immediately attempting to silence those who speak things that we do not agree with. If you cannot effectively articulate why you have the position that you have, then you don't have a leg to stand on. But if you are never given the opportunity to articulate your position, we're heading down a very dangerous road. Yeah, it's a ridiculous attack. He's a gay guy speaking like gay guys talk, but when he does it they will break down the speech to find any literal thing they can use to hang him. It's fucking stupid.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 21, 2017 12:30:14 GMT -5
So....no mention of the whole pedophile thing?
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Post by Premier on Feb 21, 2017 14:48:52 GMT -5
They found some dirt on him quick. After he got more famous because of the Berkeley thing and now the Maher interview, they started digging.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Feb 21, 2017 14:52:14 GMT -5
They already had it, trust me. They were just waiting for him to get more out there and the right time to release it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 16:56:41 GMT -5
I have never really heard Milo talk, so I don't know if I would agree with him on most or not. What is weird to me is this was on a podcast heard by millions of people and was 6 months old, however all of the sudden it is front page news and worthy of public outrage? As TOIAP said, they were scared to death that the violence that was being used to protest him was going to hurt the liberal cause, so they decided to whip this hysteria up and sensationalize it. As far as his comments, I have only read a transcript of them from a CNN article... on the outside they look pretty bad and wrong. I would need to hear the interview to form a full opinion of them to be able to judge them accurately... which I plan to do. The irony of this is Bill Clinton is very good friends with a convicted Pedophile and has vacationed with him many times and flown on his private jet over 26 times and vacationed without Hillary at "pedophile island"... yet no reporting or outrage on that be the typical news orgs over the last 20 months? www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html"Clinton’s presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including “Tatiana.” The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group sex with young girls."
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Post by hammerfaust on Feb 21, 2017 17:25:01 GMT -5
Didn't we go thru the Epstein thing Ad nauseam during the election thread? Trump was a guest of Epstein as well as a bunch of 'A' list celebs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 19:00:21 GMT -5
So....no mention of the whole pedophile thing? It was mentioned. I watched his press conference this afternoon. This is most likely only going to increase the size of his audience in the long run. Obviously they were sitting on this, it was from July of 2016. But he gets on Maher and starts getting more attention....invited to speak at CPAC....and a book already on the best seller list, so unleash the edited video from last year. He did a good job explaining himself and taking responsibility for the two specific things he said that were not in line with his actual beliefs. But it's so obvious that this was a hatchet job, right down to Soros funding the left wing podcast that one statement was made in, and CPAC itself having strong financial ties to the right wing Reagan Battalion blog that released another of the videos.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 19:11:02 GMT -5
Didn't we go thru the Epstein thing Ad nauseam during the election thread? Trump was a guest of Epstein as well as a bunch of 'A' list celebs. I don’t understand the point you are making? If pedophilia is a horrible thing (which based on today’s coverage by the media of Milo it is) why was it not when it came to light that Bill Clinton made many vacations to the island and took lots of private flights on the infamous jet? What is the difference? How can one be bad and one be non-newsworthy? And I would argue that based on reading the transcript, while Milo’s comments seem really disgusting, they are 1/10th as bad as associating with Epstein the way Bill did. If you are going to say that Trump being affiliated is bad too... I completely agree, however if the media could have reported on Trump without having to report on Bill too, they would have ran it up a flagpole for months... but they couldn’t because they didn’t want to tarnish Bill's reputation and risk hurting Hillary.
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2017 19:36:39 GMT -5
I didn't think my criticism was all that harsh, all I really said was that I expected more. I think you guys are a little too touchy... Do you think his appearance on Bill Maher was great and showed what/who he truly is? Maybe Baph was right and he was just coked up that night. That being said I will check out the podcast that SGM posted to see what the big deal with Milo is. This is a thread about Milo's appearance on Bill Maher. I know that from the title of the thread and the OP. You posted your thoughts on... Milo's appearance on Bill Maher. You were unimpressed. You made clear that your opinion was limited to that one appearance on Bill Maher (the subject of this thread). I think that's totally fine. I'm not sure I'm understanding the criticisms of your post in this thread. Lol, I'm sure Mr hammerfaust was just trolling because he seems pretty smart, But the whole point of a Bill Maher show is to shut down and shit on the opposing side...not to have actual debates. So of course it was a lame appearance.
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Post by Spencer on Feb 21, 2017 19:55:10 GMT -5
So....no mention of the whole pedophile thing? It was mentioned. I watched his press conference this afternoon. This is most likely only going to increase the size of his audience in the long run. Obviously they were sitting on this, it was from July of 2016. But he gets on Maher and starts getting more attention....invited to speak at CPAC....and a book already on the best seller list, so unleash the edited video from last year. He did a good job explaining himself and taking responsibility for the two specific things he said that were not in line with his actual beliefs. But it's so obvious that this was a hatchet job, right down to Soros funding the left wing podcast that one statement was made in, and CPAC itself having strong financial ties to the right wing Reagan Battalion blog that released another of the videos. Sure, I'll agree with some of the above. However: Now, in that video, he does state that the legal age of consent is 'about right'. But then he proceeds to state that it's possible for 13 year old 'sexually mature' boys to consent to sucking the dick of an adult man, effectively. This coming from a man who has admitted to being molested by his priest at a young age, and stated (in the very same video) that he thanks the priest for teaching him how to suck cock so well. You're aware that the source of this video is a conservative blog? A conservative blog released the clip of this video, not some leftist media organization out for blood. Would you say that the CPAC was wrong to have removed him? Really?
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Post by matt on Feb 21, 2017 20:51:56 GMT -5
With quips like that you'd figure milo was a liberal...
And holy shit balls weren't the liberals recently pushing for the societal normalization of pedophilia?
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Post by boboplata on Feb 21, 2017 23:19:15 GMT -5
Welp, Milo resigns from Breitbart.
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Post by slaytan on Feb 22, 2017 5:00:18 GMT -5
It was mentioned. I watched his press conference this afternoon. This is most likely only going to increase the size of his audience in the long run. Obviously they were sitting on this, it was from July of 2016. But he gets on Maher and starts getting more attention....invited to speak at CPAC....and a book already on the best seller list, so unleash the edited video from last year. He did a good job explaining himself and taking responsibility for the two specific things he said that were not in line with his actual beliefs. But it's so obvious that this was a hatchet job, right down to Soros funding the left wing podcast that one statement was made in, and CPAC itself having strong financial ties to the right wing Reagan Battalion blog that released another of the videos. Sure, I'll agree with some of the above. However: Now, in that video, he does state that the legal age of consent is 'about right'. But then he proceeds to state that it's possible for 13 year old 'sexually mature' boys to consent to sucking the dick of an adult man, effectively. This coming from a man who has admitted to being molested by his priest at a young age, and stated (in the very same video) that he thanks the priest for teaching him how to suck cock so well. You're aware that the source of this video is a conservative blog? A conservative blog released the clip of this video, not some leftist media organization out for blood. Would you say that the CPAC was wrong to have removed him? Really? I can see "both sides" I suppose. Milo suffers from the same problem that has stood in the way of my own success at times., and that is that he is a funny guy who is best when he shoots from the "stream of consciousness" without a filter.
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Post by hammerfaust on Feb 22, 2017 8:58:36 GMT -5
Didn't we go thru the Epstein thing Ad nauseam during the election thread? Trump was a guest of Epstein as well as a bunch of 'A' list celebs. I don’t understand the point you are making? If pedophilia is a horrible thing (which based on today’s coverage by the media of Milo it is) why was it not when it came to light that Bill Clinton made many vacations to the island and took lots of private flights on the infamous jet? What is the difference? How can one be bad and one be non-newsworthy? And I would argue that based on reading the transcript, while Milo’s comments seem really disgusting, they are 1/10th as bad as associating with Epstein the way Bill did. If you are going to say that Trump being affiliated is bad too... I completely agree, however if the media could have reported on Trump without having to report on Bill too, they would have ran it up a flagpole for months... but they couldn’t because they didn’t want to tarnish Bill's reputation and risk hurting Hillary. You're right, my reply didn't have much substance. What I am getting at is that the Epstein ties run very deep in politics, hollywood, world leaders, etc.. If you bring one down they all go down and they won't let that happen. Rape island is much bigger than Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. They should all be held accountable, but it doesn't seem like that is ever going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 9:30:35 GMT -5
Yes Spencer I am aware that the source that released it was a conservative blog. They're called the Reagan battalion, and they are funded by CPAC, amongst others. If I'm connecting dots, I see this
Milo gets invited to speak at CPAC, someone within CPAC which is a group that has a rather long history of being anti-gay decides they don't want Milo speaking at CPAC. So we trot out a six-month-old video of a drunken coked-up Milo talking to freaking Joe Rogan of all people, and act like that's the real version of Milo.
Doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.
And here's another thing. The town right next to mine is called Ogunquit. It has the largest gay population in the state of Maine. I have been to bars in Ogunquit, and Milo from The Joe Rogan show would fit in perfectly in that environment. These guys get Ultra caddy after a few drinks, and say outrageous and outlandish things exclusively to elicit a shocked but amused response.
I agree that Milo should have chosen his words a little bit better and kept his wits about him with regards to where he was, and the fact that it was all being recorded. But this still seems to me like an obvious Hatchet job.
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