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Post by Elissa on Sept 19, 2016 11:41:31 GMT -5
...Because we need it!!
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Post by jsporty1 on Sept 19, 2016 11:42:49 GMT -5
Where are you PatSox? Even during the "off" season, we need our GoT discussion! Meanwhile, the Emmy wins last night were awesome.
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Post by Lord Abortion on Sept 19, 2016 11:55:15 GMT -5
I wonder if George died a little inside when Dan and Dave won that Emmy for writing? That can't feel good.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 19, 2016 11:56:30 GMT -5
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Post by boboplata on Sept 19, 2016 12:12:04 GMT -5
Something that popped into my head: I gravitate towards second sons in this series. Like they could/would/should bring more to the table than their overrated older bros.
-Stannis, Victarion, Tyrion, Tommen, Jon(If he takes up the Stark name, he would be officially be the 2nd son).
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Post by Lord Abortion on Sept 19, 2016 12:14:29 GMT -5
Victarion chapters were fucking great. I wish we could've gotten a Ray Stevenson Victarion on the show. Would've been bad as all hell.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 19, 2016 12:21:51 GMT -5
Victarion chapters were fucking great. I wish we could've gotten a Ray Stevenson Victarion on the show. Would've been bad as all hell. Balon is the Stannis of the brothers. Euron, the Robert. Victarion is a discarded but capable warrior. AN underdog story in the making. Poor form by HBO.
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Post by PatSox on Sept 19, 2016 12:30:00 GMT -5
Where are you PatSox? Even during the "off" season, we need our GoT discussion! And so am I
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Post by Angelo on Sept 19, 2016 20:37:13 GMT -5
GRRM has recently said he has Thousands (yes plural) of pages of backstory for the books. But no plans on releasing them
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Post by boboplata on Sept 19, 2016 21:22:55 GMT -5
GRRM has recently said he has Thousands (yes plural) of pages of backstory for the books. But no plans on releasing them That's why my hate for him grew. Fuck that fat sob.
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Post by BIGMIKE on Sept 19, 2016 22:17:13 GMT -5
GRRM is such a lazy fuck
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Post by Lord Abortion on Sept 20, 2016 6:49:27 GMT -5
Damn guys, nothing wrong with George. He's a real nice guy from the little bit I speak with him. We were talking football off topic on his blog a couple years back. He HATES off topic discussion, even when he's part of it. He sent me a DM to continue that discussion (about Braylon fucking Edwards) and we've shot the shit ever since. He's a really nice dude. I wrote a story for Wild Cards that got rejected (I tried to submit it but never mentioned it to him on there because that'd be fucked up to bother him about that) and he sent me a DM to encourage me to do a rewrite and try to sell it on it's own. I thought it was cool that he'd read it personally even though it "didn't fit the Wild Cards universe".
I try not to even bring up Ice and Fire but this shit eats him up. It's fucking obvious. It isn't some shit like he just doesn't write or doesn't care. He has days like I do, like shitty writers do where he just thinks everything he writes is bullshit. I've seen him say as much personally. He isn't lazy, he just doesn't like his writing unless it's perfect. His issue is in writing too much. He doesn't keep any of it but that's why he has thousands of pages of backstory. He writes a lot but only sees very little bits of that is fit for going into the book. So when he's sitting down writing and working, things are happening but if it isn't up to par he doesn't use it. Dude is definitely not lazy from what I can tell.
I'm not acting like I know him because we talk about football and books or anything but I know enough to know what I'm saying is true. It KILLS him that this series isn't finished. He also writes a lot so it isn't laziness.
And I'm not in the know, like I said, but he's alluded to being very close. I know that doesn't mean a lot but about a month ago he told me the "son of kong is close to being vanquished" so I'm pretty sure Winter is coming pretty soon.
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Post by PatSox on Sept 20, 2016 7:44:13 GMT -5
George's biggest problem to me isn't laziness. I think his problem is, when he broke away from having bosses and deadlines and gave himself limitless time to write his own epic world, he let his imagination run a little TOO wild, during the process
For those of you that don't read the books, you have to understand, as big and expansive as this show is when it comes to characters, geography, branching plotlines, history and lore, it is DWARFED by what's in the books. At this point he has strung out so many different threads, involving so many different people, there is just no way he can weave it all back in to do them justice before bringing the tale to a close. Hell, I don't even think he can remember it all. He's probably come close to finishing this latest book so many times, only to realize, "OH SHIT! I forgot all about these guys over here, I can't just abandon that plotline now. But if I put it in, it will change this one, which will affect three other ones and.....FUUUUUCKKK!!!!"
He dreamed too big, in my opinion. Now he's stuck trying to bring it all together and it has to be just about impossible to do so. He honestly may never finish this story. So in that case, thank god for the show, because at least someone can give us some kind of closure on things. They will get there in a much leaner, more efficient fashion, with some things happening rather differently for certain people, but it WILL be George's ending, at least. As he's already told them how it ends
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Post by Lord Abortion on Sept 20, 2016 7:53:47 GMT -5
George's biggest problem to me isn't laziness. I think his problem is, when he broke away from having bosses and deadlines and gave himself limitless time to write his own epic world, he let his imagination run a little TOO wild, during the process For those of you that don't read the books, you have to understand, as big and expansive as this show is when it comes to characters, geography, branching plotlines, history and lore, it is DWARFED by what's in the books. At this point he has strung out so many different threads, involving so many different people, there is just no way he can weave it all back in to do them justice before bringing the tale to a close. Hell, I don't even think he can remember it all He's probably come close to finishing this latest book so many times, only to realize, "OH SHIT! I forgot all about these guys over here, I can't just abandon that plotline now. But if I put it in, it will change this one, which will affect 3 other plotlines and.....FUUUUUCKKK!!!! He dreamed too big, in my opinion. Now he's stuck trying to bring it all together and it has to be just about impossible to do so. He honestly may never finish this story So in that case, thank god for the show, because at least someone can give us some kind of closure on things This is much closer to what I've observed. I think you really nailed it here. It drives him crazy that he can't just get it done for us. It literally hurts the guy that he hasn't delivered for us. Feeling like that really can't be helping his process either. It's just such a HUGE world and it's woven together almost impossibly. I couldn't even imagine trying to write something like that. My fantasy stuff is really coming along but I intentionally tried to avoid that kind of scale. Once you get on that track it just has to grow with each book and I don't feel competent enough to write something that massive. It really doesn't help seeing one of the giants of fantasy struggling to hold his world together. This stuff is very hard to write. I do think George is going to finish though, I really do. Maybe that's naive of me but I know he wants to and I know he works his ass off to do it. I think we'll get Winds early next year and then we'll see on the final book. I think that last one is going to be the easiest one to write. Winds ties the plot together and gets everyone where they need to be for the conclusion. I think the conclusion is going to come much easier for him. The show will give us a conclusion and I'm really excited for that. I know Dan and Dave have the same ending as George. I don't know if you guys have read any of George's other work but goddamn can that man write an ending. His endings are just phenomenal so I just can't wait to see where his head is at on this. Since the show will do that ending I am glad we'll get it. Those dudes can't hold a fucking candle to George though. His writing is just so, so good. I'm really excited for the show but I want to read the ending as George intended it. I really hope we get to see that. I think all of you who read the books are with me here. Seeing the ending and getting a conclusion will be great, but I want to see what George is going to do with it.
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Post by Baph on Sept 22, 2016 23:54:30 GMT -5
This is probably a very naive thing to say, but I think it'd be rather easy to finish the story, regardless of the complexity of countless sub-plots, because you've already got a built in "reset" button with what we're all expecting will be one of the worst winters of all time and a massive army of the dead sweeping through the seven kingdoms. You can focus on resolving some key, central plot points and a lot of the ancillary stuff just gets ice aged or swallowed up in a zombie stampede.
But hey, what about these guys?
- Quick shot to show them all frozen to death in their keep.
And then there was this tribe, right?
- Panorama of half-a-million deadlings rising to join the zombie hoards.
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Post by PatSox on Sept 23, 2016 0:05:13 GMT -5
This is probably a very naive thing to say, but I think it'd be rather easy to finish the story, regardless of the complexity of countless sub-plots, because you've already got a built in "reset" button with what we're all expecting will be one of the worst winters of all time and a massive army of the dead sweeping through the seven kingdoms. You can focus on resolving some key, central plot points and a lot of the ancillary stuff just gets ice aged or swallowed up in a zombie stampede. But hey, what about these guys? - Quick shot to show them all frozen to death in their keep. And then there was this tribe, right? - Panorama of half-a-million deadlings rising to join the zombie hoards. I'm picturing Gendry, still on that little boat, oars in hand, frozen in place
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Post by Baph on Sept 23, 2016 9:05:45 GMT -5
I could absolutely see that. Maybe we see an apocalyptic blizzard coming over the wall and a montage of chaos and frozen death, then Bran does a vision quest and we kind of get these snipets that show the wide-spread carnage of a war-torn countryside that was not ready for winter, ties up 15 loose ends in once scene if done right, then Bran wakes up, terrified, and says "Winter is here". Cut to black.
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Post by PatSox on Sept 23, 2016 13:15:42 GMT -5
I could absolutely see that. Maybe we see an apocalyptic blizzard coming over the wall and a montage of chaos and frozen death, then Bran does a vision quest and we kind of get these snipets that show the wide-spread carnage of a war-torn countryside that was not ready for winter, ties up 15 loose ends in once scene if done right, then Bran wakes up, terrified, and says "Winter is here". Cut to black. I think when they come over it will be because the wall explodes or crumbles. One way or another it comes crashing down I also think Bran will unwittingly be the tool they use to do it. Once Bran crosses over, that mark on his arm will allow the Night King to do what he did to get in to the Three Eyed Raven's lair, only on a major scale
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Post by Baph on Sept 23, 2016 22:23:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but what's stopping the Night King now?
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Post by PatSox on Sept 24, 2016 6:08:41 GMT -5
Yeah, but what's stopping the Night King now? Bran is still on his side of the wall Last time we saw him and Mira, they were at the "Heart Tree" (The ones with the faces) that Jon and Sam said their Nights Watch vows to, all the way back in season one So he's near the gate. And once he tells them who he is, they'll obviously let him through. Hell even if they think they're wildlings they'll let them through at THIS point
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Post by Baph on Sept 24, 2016 16:51:00 GMT -5
Rewatched final ep last night. That weird dead uncle says the wall is not just a barrier, ancient spells are carved into it's foundation, strong magic, I cannot go with you. So yeah, it'd be exactly like that cave with the magic barrier. If this is how it was going to go down . . . why draw Bran north of the wall to begin with?
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Post by PatSox on Sept 25, 2016 8:05:01 GMT -5
Rewatched final ep last night. That weird dead uncle says the wall is not just a barrier, ancient spells are carved into it's foundation, strong magic, I cannot go with you. So yeah, it'd be exactly like that cave with the magic barrier. If this is how it was going to go down . . . why draw Bran north of the wall to begin with? To teach him. Have him become the Three Eyed Raven, so he can stop the inevitable, would be my guess. I think the previous Raven hoped he could avoid the Nights King for longer than they did, but Bran's impertinence ruined that. He may have known of the mark, and what it could do, maybe not. Not sure. Maybe he knew that the Nights King could do that to anyone, not just Bran, and he was just waiting to do it, because he was building his forces. Perhaps he only did it to Bran because the opportunity presented itself to get the extra bonus of getting in to that cave
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Post by Baph on Sept 26, 2016 9:50:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that, but if he's going to use the mark on Bran's arm to get past the wall . . . what if Bran never came north?
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Post by PatSox on Sept 26, 2016 11:51:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I get that, but if he's going to use the mark on Bran's arm to get past the wall . . . what if Bran never came north? Then he would have had to do it to some random Wildling named.....Kip....Kip the Wildling...whoever, anybody That guy grabs your arm and then lets you go, you'de run like the wind until you get to the beaches of Dorne
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Post by CHOPPEDnSCREWED on Sept 26, 2016 13:01:38 GMT -5
Is this show any good? I've never seen it.
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Post by PatSox on Sept 26, 2016 17:04:49 GMT -5
Is this show any good? I've never seen it. Eh it's awful. Skip it and check out the new MacGyver remake, I hear it's amazing
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Post by CHOPPEDnSCREWED on Sept 26, 2016 19:29:56 GMT -5
Noted.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 26, 2016 19:56:54 GMT -5
Is this show any good? I've never seen it. Yes. Gtfo this thread. Spoilers abound.
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Post by Premier on Sept 27, 2016 9:01:10 GMT -5
Start watching Choppa'
Keep an eye out for that "Ned Stark" guy. He starts slow, but there's a lot of character development in the later seasons.
There's also this Khal Drogo guy that is still kicking ass in season 6.
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Post by PatSox on Sept 28, 2016 16:47:28 GMT -5
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