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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 2:19:41 GMT -5
Well we'll probably eventually find out if Trump really does support what Duterte is doing. If he doesn't openly deny that he said that stuff, then I would assume he said it. Lets see if any reporter poses the question to him. But I anticipate that even if it comes out that this all went down as I said it did, you guys will still not only say I'm an idiot, but come up with reasons why there's nothing wrong with Trump agreeing with Duterte's actions. You are an idiot, but not because you disagree with Duterte's actions, which probably all but 2 of us here do. Thanks, I guess it takes one to know one lol. What was that shit the other day about republicans being further right than liberals? I think that was complete bullshit you made up. I can act like an idiot AT TIMES, but I can think we all can, you included.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 2:23:58 GMT -5
I have no interest believe me. Keep believing that every single person who didn't vote for Trump is an idiot. Your friends won't get their jobs back. Trump is going to fuck unemployment worse than Obama. Lets wait 2 years and see if you still think Trump is great. And I have reasons to be insulted when you criticize everyone I know and grew up around as being stupid cause they don't agree with you. I don't think every person that didn't vote for Trump are idiots... I think people that start threads that have no basis or factual relevance, and the people that tell them they are right for starting that thread are the idiots. Nobody here is saying Trump is great... not one time. What people are saying is that he is saying that his approach to governing and problem solving is going to bypass PC, use practical thinking, and his number one priority is going to be to put Americans first. I am willing and excited to see if it works, because we have all seen how failed Obama's policies have proven to be when you measure personal wealth and labor participation. Ok, fine, that's a more reasonable way of putting it. I think we can leave it at that, with the exception being that I'd heard the other day (don't take it as a quote, I'd need to check my sources) that Obama brought unemployment up from how it was when Bush Junior was president. If so, I'm not sure why he gets so much flack for it. But there are a lot of issues other than employment, like social issues, for example, drug reform and also immigration, which are important, and which I think Trump will be worse than Obama on. I just flat out don't like the way he speaks and his general character. He acts like a high class thug and speaks about people in an overall derogatory manner (aside from any claim of racism or sexism just basically in general) which I don't think is befitting a president. We can agree to disagree then and be more civil about things. I over reacted a little here, so sorry about that, but I still want to see where things go, and I'm not very optimistic about Trump, but I'll leave the door open a jar for me to proven wrong.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 6, 2016 2:48:30 GMT -5
You are an idiot, but not because you disagree with Duterte's actions, which probably all but 2 of us here do. Thanks, I think the same of you bud. What was that shit the other day about liberals being further right than republicans or some shit like that? I think that was bullshit. Explain to me why I'm an idiot, I'm all ears. Not why I CAN AT TIMES ACT like one (which I can, and we all can) but why I am at heart, an idiot. Cause I only think you can act like one at times, I've never criticized your core essence like you seem to be doing to me here. That's pretty fucking low. I mean you are an idiot when it comes to politics. And guess what, most Americans are because of the way our media is designed. Hell we politically probably agree on more than we disagree on, but where you are an idiot is not understanding the difference between sources, reporters, and just standard political game theory 101. If you bothered to at all look into the Philippians current geopolitical situation, read up on Trump's plans for US's place in the global economy, and dealing with China, you'd realize why he likely HATES who Duerte is, but realizes he'll need to deal with him because of the power he holds. If you bothered to study the difference between Conservatives and Republicans, you'd see Republican is actually a left-leaning party, not conservative in the slightest and haven't been in a very long time. Most people who call themselves liberal tend to be the very let the state provide basics (education/healthcare/basic-welfare) and leave the everything else an individual right. The problem is it is easier to call themselves liberal because of the left-leaning on just a few rather flashy positions, than try to educate the general public that they are some affiliation that most haven't heard of like some sort of hybrid Minarchist-Statism. That is much much more right leaning and conservative than the Republican party line, and far more conservative than the Democratic party line. Remember Liberalism is what Libertarian came forth from when media wanted to co-op that word to try and start confusing people. And, well idiot isn't the right word, but naive is if you don't believe that compartmentalization is real.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 2:58:55 GMT -5
Thanks, I think the same of you bud. What was that shit the other day about liberals being further right than republicans or some shit like that? I think that was bullshit. Explain to me why I'm an idiot, I'm all ears. Not why I CAN AT TIMES ACT like one (which I can, and we all can) but why I am at heart, an idiot. Cause I only think you can act like one at times, I've never criticized your core essence like you seem to be doing to me here. That's pretty fucking low. I mean you are an idiot when it comes to politics. And guess what, most Americans are because of the way our media is designed. Hell we politically probably agree on more than we disagree on, but where you are an idiot is not understanding the difference between sources, reporters, and just standard political game theory 101. If you bothered to at all look into the Philippians current geopolitical situation, read up on Trump's plans for US's place in the global economy, and dealing with China, you'd realize why he likely HATES who Duerte is, but realizes he'll need to deal with him because of the power he holds. If you bothered to study the difference between Conservatives and Republicans, you'd see Republican is actually a left-leaning party, not conservative in the slightest and haven't been in a very long time. Most people who call themselves liberal tend to be the very let the state provide basics (education/healthcare/basic-welfare) and leave the everything else an individual right. The problem is it is easier to call themselves liberal because of the left-leaning on just a few rather flashy positions, than try to educate the general public that they are some affiliation that most haven't heard of like some sort of hybrid Minarchist-Statism. That is much much more right leaning and conservative than the Republican party line, and far more conservative than the Democratic party line. Remember Liberalism is what Libertarian came forth from when media wanted to co-op that word to try and start confusing people. And, well idiot isn't the right word, but naive is if you don't believe that compartmentalization is real. I do realize compartmentalization is real, I may be naive in certain ways, as most people are. I'll have to look up the rest of what you are saying to see if it's true. I'll admit, even as much as I dislike Trump (dislike is putting it mildly) it wouldn't SEEM even he would support a complete MONSTER like Duterte, but I wouldn't assume all these papers from Breitbart to The Times would report on this if it was just something he SUPPOSEDLY said. I guess they could all just jump at a story, but I'd think they'd be wise enough not to publish something which might have no validity. The only other reason could be reporters just dying to get out a juicy piece, but when even Breitbart (who would SEEM like they'd avoid publishing things that make Trump look bad) is republishing it, that seems odd to me. Whatever, we'll see if any reporters ask him about it. The mere suggestion that he MIGHT support Duterte just got me furious as I can't imagine a much worse person other than Hitler. Someone who point blank assassinates any and all drug users in his country?? I'm almost surprised we haven't gone in there to stop him but I guess we just can't go start a war over it.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 6, 2016 3:29:27 GMT -5
I do realize compartmentalization is real, I may be naive in certain ways, as most people are. I'll have to look up the rest of what you are saying to see if it's true. I'll admit, even as much as I dislike Trump (dislike is putting it mildly) it wouldn't SEEM even he would support a complete MONSTER like Duterte, but I wouldn't assume all these papers from Breitbart to The Times would report on this if it was just something he SUPPOSEDLY said. I guess they could all just jump at a story, but I'd think they'd be wise enough not to publish something which might have no validity. The only other reason could be reporters just dying to get out a juicy piece, but when even Breitbart (who would SEEM like they'd avoid publishing things that make Trump look bad) is republishing it, that seems odd to me. Whatever, we'll see if any reporters ask him about it. The mere suggestion that he MIGHT support Duterte just got me furious as I can't imagine a much worse person other than Hitler. Someone who point blank assassinates any and all drug users in his country?? I'm almost surprised we haven't gone in there to stop him but I guess we just can't go start a war over it. First off, there are worse, crazier, and more violent people than Duterte running countries. He's just the newest is all so he has all the headlines. Second off, all of them are reporting on it for a very simple reason. MONEY. Click-bait misleading headlines make up almost half of their online revenue. If one place puts it out, most will too to grab a piece of the pie. Second off part B... And this goes triply so because Trump is in the picture.... They want to get him saying stuff that'll make good soundbites for more click-bait headlines. Most of the stuff Trump "said" on the campaign trail was cherry picked, much like how people cherry pick parts of the Quran and leave out the what was written leading up to and after it. I'll admit, it makes great eye-grabbing headlines though. Remember this though... well I'll use Obama as an example. He has praised (and from his mouth, not the mouth of others) Nelson Mandela who ran death squads, and believed in genocide. He praised Fidel and Che Guevara, both of who would indiscriminately kill because it fit their politics. He did business and gave support on behalf of the US with Abdullah in Saudi Arabia who did the same thing, but also regularly raped women. Does any of that bother you and now make you wish you never supported or voted for him? Or do you believe Obama was willing to recognize that you can recognize good parts of a person separate from their bad? Or that you have to deal with people who are bad sometimes to make everything work?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 5:46:15 GMT -5
It's GOTTA be the 'shrooms.
Nothing else would explain it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 10:10:45 GMT -5
I don't think every person that didn't vote for Trump are idiots... I think people that start threads that have no basis or factual relevance, and the people that tell them they are right for starting that thread are the idiots. Nobody here is saying Trump is great... not one time. What people are saying is that he is saying that his approach to governing and problem solving is going to bypass PC, use practical thinking, and his number one priority is going to be to put Americans first. I am willing and excited to see if it works, because we have all seen how failed Obama's policies have proven to be when you measure personal wealth and labor participation. Ok, fine, that's a more reasonable way of putting it. I think we can leave it at that, with the exception being that I'd heard the other day (don't take it as a quote, I'd need to check my sources) that Obama brought unemployment up from how it was when Bush Junior was president.If so, I'm not sure why he gets so much flack for it. But there are a lot of issues other than employment, like social issues, for example, drug reform and also immigration, which are important, and which I think Trump will be worse than Obama on. I just flat out don't like the way he speaks and his general character. He acts like a high class thug and speaks about people in an overall derogatory manner (aside from any claim of racism or sexism just basically in general) which I don't think is befitting a president. We can agree to disagree then and be more civil about things. I over reacted a little here, so sorry about that, but I still want to see where things go, and I'm not very optimistic about Trump, but I'll leave the door open a jar for me to proven wrong. Why don't you go look at this first before deciding if you think it is true or not. When you look, you need to look at underemployment, labor participation rate, personal income, and the consumers purchasing power or net wealth. Also just for fun, look at welfare recipients, food stamp recipients and Medicaid recipients now compared to 2008.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 10:11:31 GMT -5
I don't think every person that didn't vote for Trump are idiots... I think people that start threads that have no basis or factual relevance, and the people that tell them they are right for starting that thread are the idiots. Nobody here is saying Trump is great... not one time. What people are saying is that he is saying that his approach to governing and problem solving is going to bypass PC, use practical thinking, and his number one priority is going to be to put Americans first. I am willing and excited to see if it works, because we have all seen how failed Obama's policies have proven to be when you measure personal wealth and labor participation. Ok, fine, that's a more reasonable way of putting it. I think we can leave it at that, with the exception being that I'd heard the other day (don't take it as a quote, I'd need to check my sources) that Obama brought unemployment up from how it was when Bush Junior was president. If so, I'm not sure why he gets so much flack for it. But there are a lot of issues other than employment, like social issues, for example, drug reform and also immigration, which are important, and which I think Trump will be worse than Obama on. I just flat out don't like the way he speaks and his general character. He acts like a high class thug and speaks about people in an overall derogatory manner (aside from any claim of racism or sexism just basically in general) which I don't think is befitting a president. We can agree to disagree then and be more civil about things. I over reacted a little here, so sorry about that, but I still want to see where things go, and I'm not very optimistic about Trump, but I'll leave the door open a jar for me to proven wrong. But you don't leave the door open. Bobo trying to get you to understand was a great example of that. You just went "la la la" the entire time he was posting. "Oh. I'm tired, maybe I'll get to it later" Why should anyone on here even fucking bother? It's like talking to jackel, a complete fucking waste of time. Would you rather Trump talk with rainbows and kittens and give you a reach around everytime he makes a tweet you don't like? Man, grow up and grow some fucking balls already. Fuck, you are irritating.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 18:27:27 GMT -5
I do realize compartmentalization is real, I may be naive in certain ways, as most people are. I'll have to look up the rest of what you are saying to see if it's true. I'll admit, even as much as I dislike Trump (dislike is putting it mildly) it wouldn't SEEM even he would support a complete MONSTER like Duterte, but I wouldn't assume all these papers from Breitbart to The Times would report on this if it was just something he SUPPOSEDLY said. I guess they could all just jump at a story, but I'd think they'd be wise enough not to publish something which might have no validity. The only other reason could be reporters just dying to get out a juicy piece, but when even Breitbart (who would SEEM like they'd avoid publishing things that make Trump look bad) is republishing it, that seems odd to me. Whatever, we'll see if any reporters ask him about it. The mere suggestion that he MIGHT support Duterte just got me furious as I can't imagine a much worse person other than Hitler. Someone who point blank assassinates any and all drug users in his country?? I'm almost surprised we haven't gone in there to stop him but I guess we just can't go start a war over it. First off, there are worse, crazier, and more violent people than Duterte running countries. He's just the newest is all so he has all the headlines. Second off, all of them are reporting on it for a very simple reason. MONEY. Click-bait misleading headlines make up almost half of their online revenue. If one place puts it out, most will too to grab a piece of the pie. Second off part B... And this goes triply so because Trump is in the picture.... They want to get him saying stuff that'll make good soundbites for more click-bait headlines. Most of the stuff Trump "said" on the campaign trail was cherry picked, much like how people cherry pick parts of the Quran and leave out the what was written leading up to and after it. I'll admit, it makes great eye-grabbing headlines though. Remember this though... well I'll use Obama as an example. He has praised (and from his mouth, not the mouth of others) Nelson Mandela who ran death squads, and believed in genocide. He praised Fidel and Che Guevara, both of who would indiscriminately kill because it fit their politics. He did business and gave support on behalf of the US with Abdullah in Saudi Arabia who did the same thing, but also regularly raped women. Does any of that bother you and now make you wish you never supported or voted for him? Or do you believe Obama was willing to recognize that you can recognize good parts of a person separate from their bad? Or that you have to deal with people who are bad sometimes to make everything work? I would have to look all that up and see how much of it is true, and then yes, if Obama supported all those people I'd very much be opposed to that. No politician IMO should praise anyone who has committed mass slaughter of innocents.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 18:28:46 GMT -5
But you don't leave the door open. Bobo trying to get you to understand was a great example of that. You just went "la la la" the entire time he was posting. "Oh. I'm tired, maybe I'll get to it later" Why should anyone on here even fucking bother? It's like talking to jackel, a complete fucking waste of time. Would you rather Trump talk with rainbows and kittens and give you a reach around everytime he makes a tweet you don't like? Man, grow up and grow some fucking balls already. Fuck, you are irritating. Fine, you can feel that way. I haven't seen anything to make me like Trump yet and the way he speaks and holds himself has a lot to do with it as well. If you can make me like him, give it a shot, or don't. All I saw bobo post was reasons that Trump and the NY Times didn't get along. If he posted more than that, I missed it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 19:11:00 GMT -5
Couldn't have said it better myself... there is a huge percentage of our country that can't/won't even question stories like this...yet their vote equals that of an educated person??? This is like Harry Reid saying mitt Romney doesn't pay any yaws, then half the country is convinced that it is true... and then when it comes out that it was a complete lie, those same people can't have their minds changed. Unfortunately I think this way of forming opinions is only going to get worse given the makeup of the current younger generations. Stories reported equally by The New York Times, Time Magazine, CNN, your own beloved Breitbart, and Yahoo Sports AND other sources, are not to be credibly questioned by people like you and it's a JOKE that you think that anyone would take you seriously over these sources.
NO ONE smart would. EVEN BREITBART agrees it went down like this.You have no leg to stand on. You didn't even read my post, did you? You have NO idea what I was talking about, do you?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 19:12:47 GMT -5
Oh, and don't PM me about this thread whining like a baby again because I hurt your feelings... I won't read it. He's notorious for this
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 19:14:21 GMT -5
You didn't even read my post, did you? You have NO idea what I was talking about, do you? Point out the post and I'll read it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 19:15:26 GMT -5
Oh, and don't PM me about this thread whining like a baby again because I hurt your feelings... I won't read it. He's notorious for this Keep it up and your next lol (don't think I've ever done it to you before that I remember). There's a number of inflammatory people around here (and plenty of REALLY cool people too....most are kind of like me....a mix of inflammatory sometimes and ok at others, and I prefer not to get into it with them publicly so I can get swarmed on and have our disagreements be one on one, but inevitably it doesn't work out.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 6, 2016 19:26:28 GMT -5
Keep it up and your next lol (don't think I've ever done it to you before that I remember). There's a number of inflammatory people around here (and plenty of REALLY cool people too....most are kind of like me....a mix of inflammatory sometimes and ok at others, and I prefer not to get into it with them publicly so I can get swarmed on and have our disagreements be one on one, but inevitably it doesn't work out. Politics( and religion) brings out the worst in people. You may not be able to sway people and vice versa, but that doesnt mean you cant talk about anything else. Ignoring people-no matter how vitriolic their posts are towards you- wont help you. You'll end up in a cycle of one sided arguments in yout head.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 19:30:31 GMT -5
I think I better try to stop talking about anything political for a while and just keep to myself and read.
It was always a bad idea.
Years and years of hearing "libtard this" and "weak pussy liberal" that regarding anyone with leftward views finally took it's toll on me.
We don't have almost ANYONE around her who's a dem/liberal that isn't scared off by the hoards of righties or if not righties Trump supporters.
All I ask then is if you guys don't want me involved in political discussions try not to ever mention me or it will be hard.
I've got bad enough self control as it is lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 19:33:44 GMT -5
Keep it up and your next lol (don't think I've ever done it to you before that I remember). There's a number of inflammatory people around here (and plenty of REALLY cool people too....most are kind of like me....a mix of inflammatory sometimes and ok at others, and I prefer not to get into it with them publicly so I can get swarmed on and have our disagreements be one on one, but inevitably it doesn't work out. Politics( and religion) brings out the worst in people. You may not be able to sway people and vice versa, but that doesnt mean you cant talk about anything else. Ignoring people-no matter how vitriolic their posts are towards you- wont help you. You'll end up in a cycle of one sided arguments in yout head. I've only ever put Garth and Cybergod on ignore and don't plan on putting anyone else on ignore. If I couldn't talk about other things I wouldn't be able to do BJJ cause all those guys are Trump-sters there but luckily they aren't allowed to discuss politics in the gym and even if they could I am different in person and just get quiet when this stuff comes up as actual face to face arguments get me WAY too riled up and it could get REALLY bad. Only with a screen between us does this shit happen...it's like people getting nasty behind the wheel of a car when they are good everywhere else. Fuck,I couldn't discuss KYLE MAYNARD on the MMA forum with C.G. and Garth's non-stop Fedor hate was almost too annoying to bear actually when I gave a shit about Fedor which was like 10 years ago. Now there's really not a whole lot that could make me put anyone on ignore when discussing MMA, I just have to avoid the political threads but my self control sucks, especially on the weekend if I've had a few beers lol.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 6, 2016 21:16:59 GMT -5
I think I better try to stop talking about anything political for a while and just keep to myself and read. It was always a bad idea. Years and years of hearing "libtard this" and "weak pussy liberal" that regarding anyone with leftward views finally took it's toll on me. We don't have almost ANYONE around her who's a dem/liberal that isn't scared off by the hoards of righties or if not righties Trump supporters. All I ask then is if you guys don't want me involved in political discussions try not to ever mention me or it will be hard.I've got bad enough self control as it is lol. Well, years of calling conservative republicans racist-redneck-idiots didn't helped either. If discussions has regressed to insults & name-calling, then I agree with you-there's no point arguing. Present your facts, post the links, get your emotions in check, have a discussion. I think that's the best way to talk about politics.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 23:34:47 GMT -5
I think I better try to stop talking about anything political for a while and just keep to myself and read. It was always a bad idea. Years and years of hearing "libtard this" and "weak pussy liberal" that regarding anyone with leftward views finally took it's toll on me. We don't have almost ANYONE around her who's a dem/liberal that isn't scared off by the hoards of righties or if not righties Trump supporters. All I ask then is if you guys don't want me involved in political discussions try not to ever mention me or it will be hard.I've got bad enough self control as it is lol. Well, years of calling conservative republicans racist-redneck-idiots didn't helped either. If discussions has regressed to insults & name-calling, then I agree with you-there's no point arguing. Present your facts, post the links, get your emotions in check, have a discussion. I think that's the best way to talk about politics. That was years of OTHER people doing it, not me, but I can see why that makes them angry, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. I don't see all conservatives that way either. But I'll be trying NOT to discuss politics anymore, (if I can resist after hearing the shit people say lol), so if people don't mention me or anything I said, that will be easier for me and everyone else who doesn't want to hear me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 11:02:22 GMT -5
You didn't even read my post, did you? You have NO idea what I was talking about, do you? Point out the post and I'll read it. wow...it's the post you responded to in the post I quoted. Now I know you aren't reading, lol! Hey Toehold, do you know who I voted for? Because I've told you no less than 3 times....
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Post by PatSox on Dec 7, 2016 12:47:34 GMT -5
Point out the post and I'll read it. wow...it's the post you responded to in the post I quoted. Now I know you aren't reading, lol! Hey Toehold, do you know who I voted for? Because I've told you no less than 3 times.... Vermin Supreme
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Post by ocmmafan on Dec 7, 2016 12:58:38 GMT -5
I'm sure their will be plenty to bitch about during Trump's actual fucking presidency. Using a 3rd party relaying of a conversation he is summarizing is quite a stretch, even for the most avid Trump haters. He'll put his foot in his mouth with something soon enough that the media will attack like a dog to a bone, so just chill and wait. This crap? Meaningless, pointless, unsubstantiated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 13:06:29 GMT -5
wow...it's the post you responded to in the post I quoted. Now I know you aren't reading, lol! Hey Toehold, do you know who I voted for? Because I've told you no less than 3 times.... Vermin Supreme I'm glad SOMEONE has been paying attention to my posts.
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Post by PatSox on Dec 7, 2016 13:17:10 GMT -5
I'm glad SOMEONE has been paying attention to my posts. I can't blame you. That free pony is too hard to pass up
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 21:10:56 GMT -5
Point out the post and I'll read it. wow...it's the post you responded to in the post I quoted. Now I know you aren't reading, lol! Hey Toehold, do you know who I voted for? Because I've told you no less than 3 times.... Going back, the only post I read of yours was your criticism of me for not reading carefully enough, which just generally seemed, well, critical is all, and saying you don't care about sides, you just don't like uninformed readers. Got it. I don't remember who you said you voted for. If you want to talk about this to me PM me, (which I don't really want to do so maybe you shouldn't, I'd suggest you not) but certainly don't do it here since I am trying to exit this thread, which is generally very difficult to do when posters don't want me to exit a political thread and keep talking to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 23:46:06 GMT -5
I am trying to exit this thread
You are doing a really shitty job
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Post by Angelo on Dec 7, 2016 23:55:36 GMT -5
I am trying to exit this thread
You are doing a really shitty job
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Post by Faydee on Dec 8, 2016 3:49:20 GMT -5
Hillary MIGHT be evil... Bahahaaahahhahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhahahahahahha aaaaaaaaaaahahhahhahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 13:14:19 GMT -5
wow...it's the post you responded to in the post I quoted. Now I know you aren't reading, lol! Hey Toehold, do you know who I voted for? Because I've told you no less than 3 times.... Going back, the only post I read of yours was your criticism of me for not reading carefully enough, which just generally seemed, well, critical is all, and saying you don't care about sides, you just don't like uninformed readers. Got it. I don't remember who you said you voted for. If you want to talk about this to me PM me, (which I don't really want to do so maybe you shouldn't, I'd suggest you not) but certainly don't do it here since I am trying to exit this thread, which is generally very difficult to do when posters don't want me to exit a political thread and keep talking to me. So if you don't know who I voted for, why in the world would you falsely accuse me of being a Trump supporter? I thought you liked facts?
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