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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 21:42:25 GMT -5
This thread is an awesome look at the microcosm that is the American voter. Unfortunately Toehold is the poster child for the uninformed public. The fact that he doesn't even know what a source is, is troubling, but common. The fact that he would take a story and run with it simply because a big brand reported it is troubling, but common. Couldn't have said it better myself... there is a huge percentage of our country that can't/won't even question stories like this...yet their vote equals that of an educated person??? This is like Harry Reid saying mitt Romney doesn't pay any yaws, then half the country is convinced that it is true... and then when it comes out that it was a complete lie, those same people can't have their minds changed. Unfortunately I think this way of forming opinions is only going to get worse given the makeup of the current younger generations. Stories reported equally by The New York Times, Time Magazine, CNN, your own beloved Breitbart, and Yahoo Sports AND other sources, are not to be credibly questioned by people like you and it's a JOKE that you think that anyone would take you seriously over these sources.
NO ONE smart would. EVEN BREITBART agrees it went down like this.You have no leg to stand on.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 5, 2016 21:44:31 GMT -5
Times is not the barometer for truth. You are too hang up on "brands" of media. I'm not saying they're lying but I will never take any news source-MSM or alternative-as gospel. Also: TOEHOLD! THE NY TIMES AND TRUMP ARE AT ODDS WITH EACH OTHER. THE NY TIMES TRIED TO SAVE FACE FROM ITS SUBSCRIBERS BY ISSUING AN (NON)APOLOGY LETTER TO THEM. THE NY TIMES IS TRASH! Bobo, The NY times is one of the most reputable papers in the world. Please expound upon this? Saying something like this slightly lessens my opinion of your opinions... Man, I put the link & quoted the content. They basically admitted they were trying to destroy Trump & insult his supporters to the point that Trump was about to sue them. Reputable? Hell no. These are not opinions. These are undeniable facts that you can google & I even put in the effort to link & quote them in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 21:46:08 GMT -5
The true microcosm that is the American voter THIS time around is someone who will not ever even question what Trump says or does.
Every time you guys divert to "Hilary said this or did that" or discredit The New York fucking Times as having it out for Trump or deflect as Baph did bringing up racist or sexist charges when I NEVER ONCE mentioned anything to do with racism or sexism in this thread...ALL of these are signs you guys are indoctrinated by Trump.
And the more that comes out wrong about him and the more you defend things he's TRULY said and done the clearer this will become.
I'm gonna point out every fuck up I hear of for the next four--eight years till I get too tired of it, and there will be MANY.
I'll stop for a while when I get sick of hearing every fuck up he makes defended and rest a few weeks at a time, then come back to report more till SOME of you start cracking and admitting that this guy is a fuck up.
Let me ask you guys THIS now:
What do you think of Jess Sessions, a guy who Trump likes who he will VERY likely appoint to Attorney General??
Sessions was quoted as saying "everyone who smokes marijuana is a bad person".
And he's vowed to go after California and Colorodo.
If he's appointed, there could be a battle between the Federal government and states rights' concerning Cali and Colorado.
And if he's appointed (which he probably will be) then that's as good as saying that Trump HIMSELF wants marijuanna users arrested.
So what do you guys think of Jeff Sessions??
Do you think he'll be a good choice as Attorney General?
Do you think all people who smoke weed are bad people?
Cause OBVIOUSLY Trump does.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 21:47:14 GMT -5
Bobo, The NY times is one of the most reputable papers in the world. Please expound upon this? Saying something like this slightly lessens my opinion of your opinions... Man, I put the link & quoted the content. They basically admitted they were trying to destroy Trump & insult his supporters to the point that Trump was about to sue them. Reputable? Hell no. These are not opinions. These are undeniable facts that you can google & I even put in the effort to link & quote them in this thread. Actually, Trump recently praised the New York Times as a "great newspaper". Let me see if I can find it. But forget them now, Time, Breitbart, Yahoo, and CNN all say the same thing.
Word for word. You question them too?
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Post by boboplata on Dec 5, 2016 21:52:21 GMT -5
Man, I put the link & quoted the content. They basically admitted they were trying to destroy Trump & insult his supporters to the point that Trump was about to sue them. Reputable? Hell no. These are not opinions. These are undeniable facts that you can google & I even put in the effort to link & quote them in this thread. Actually, Trump recently praised the New York Times as a "great newspaper". Let me see if I can find it. But forget them now, Time, Breitbart, Yahoo, and CNN all say the same thing. Word for word. You question them too? Oh, that was the aftermath. Trump trying to bury the hatchet because TNYT released this: Noticed the word "rededicate". Because they spent creating false narratives & antagonizing Trump during his campaign. And you don't want to be in the crosshairs of the incoming POTUS. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/nov/15/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-new-york-times-apologized-bad-co/
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Post by boboplata on Dec 5, 2016 21:56:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 21:56:39 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/opinion/no-trump-we-cant-just-get-along.htmlHere Bobo, Trump called the Times "a great jewel" and said he appreciates them: But what HE thinks of them doesn't matter. This story was confirmed by Breitbart, CNN, Time Magazine, Yahoo, Trump does NOT control the media. We should NOT trust him over news sources!! Donald Trump schlepped across town on Tuesday to meet with the publisher of The New York Times and some editors, columnists and reporters at the paper. As The Times reported, Trump actually seemed to soften some of his positions: He seemed to indicate that he wouldn’t seek to prosecute Hillary Clinton. But he should never have said that he was going to do that in the first place. He seemed to indicate that he wouldn’t encourage the military to use torture. But he should never have said that he would do that in the first place. He said that he would have an “open mind” on climate change. But that should always have been his position. You don’t get a pat on the back for ratcheting down from rabid after exploiting that very radicalism to your advantage. Unrepentant opportunism belies a staggering lack of character and caring that can’t simply be vanquished from memory. You did real harm to this country and many of its citizens, and I will never — never — forget that. As I read the transcript and then listened to the audio, the slime factor was overwhelming. After a campaign of bashing The Times relentlessly, in the face of the actual journalists, he tempered his whining with flattery. At one point he said: “I just appreciate the meeting and I have great respect for The New York Times. Tremendous respect. It’s very special. Always has been very special.”
He ended the meeting by saying:
“I will say, The Times is, it’s a great, great American jewel. A world jewel. And I hope we can all get along well.” I will say proudly and happily that I was not present at this meeting. The very idea of sitting across the table from a demagogue who preyed on racial, ethnic and religious hostilities and treating him with decorum and social grace fills me with disgust, to the point of overflowing. Let me tell you here where I stand on your “I hope we can all get along” plea: Never. You are an aberration and abomination who is willing to do and say anything — no matter whom it aligns you with and whom it hurts — to satisfy your ambitions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 21:59:03 GMT -5
AND WHAT TRUMP THINKS OF THE TIMES and CNN HAS ZERO IMPORTANCE.
He'll hate ANY news source that reports ANYTHING bad on him!
So because he doesn't like a news source (which he said he DOES have respect for now) that makes it a bogus news source??
EVERYONE the whole world round knows The New York fucking Times is one of the most legit respected papers in the whole word.
It's not even up for debate that it's a reputable New Source, and Time, Breitbart, Yahoo, CNN ALL report identical shit on his meeting with Duterete.
If a president's opinion was valuable enough he would censor News sources and we all had to ignore them for that reason that would be a monarchy and we would have no freedom of speech.
The president is supposed to be held in check by not just the other cabinet members but even the citizens.
That's one of the great things freedom of speech.
If all negative criticism of the president is to be ignored because he doesn't like it, then we have to believe everything he says is 100% legit and then we are all brainwashed and incapable of free speech.
Is THAT what you want?
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Post by boboplata on Dec 5, 2016 22:02:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:05:12 GMT -5
You just don't get it dude.
Trump saying he doesn't like a news source has NO importance.
That's just him trying to silence free speech and criticism and he will take issue with many more news sources as they criticize him most likely.
So fuck the Times and CNN.
Breitbart, Time magazine, Yahoo, they all report the same thing.
And if and WHEN Trump DOESN'T deny the story and Duterte DOES come to the U.S., then you'll all know this was true.
And STILL, no one has said what they think about Trump's possible appointment of Jeff Sessions to attorney general so he can go after all weed users.
You guys really don't understand any of what I'm saying.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:10:07 GMT -5
See what happens when the general public reads huff, salon, slate and politico? And Breitbart, NY Times, CNN, Yahoo, Time Magazine. Every one of these sources, including Breitbart, said this happened. You guys will only accept right wing news sources. Politico is also a great sight, but I didn't quote ANY of those on this.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 5, 2016 22:12:34 GMT -5
I don't get it? Dude you're the one who's doing this on my posts: Multiple times. I even reposted some of them. BUT Whatever. We can agree to disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:13:06 GMT -5
toehold: wikileaks proved to everyone the mainstream media in the US was colluding and exaggerating on a routine basis when it came to Trump. It was proven. Here you are running with a narrative from an unworthy source that is obviously again misleading the reader and spinning it out of context. Dude, seriously? If this is how you form an opinion than you have to understand why you are being criticized. We don't actually know what Trump said and this guy Duterte is intentionally polarizing so he can get his 15 minutes of national exposure. This is like when jackel makes up a lie and then claims his cousin's friend knows the congressmen's daughters babysitter and spits out x,y,z. It's fabricated/exaggerated without any way to validate. Breitbart also said it, and Time Magazine, and Yahoo. They'd be called Secondary Sources rather than Primary sure, but if you have to actually HEAR the words come from Trump's mouth to believe he said it, or from anyone's mouth period, we'll question every news source ever. There was almost certainly a 3rd party present to this conversation or all these news sources would not have reported on it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:17:03 GMT -5
I don't get it? Dude you're the one who's doing this on my posts: Multiple times. I even reposted some of them. BUT Whatever. We can agree to disagree. You stopped reading before I did. I read everything you read. At least have the respect to go back and read what I said. BREITBART reported this went down this way too. The bottom line is, if you are going to say all news sources the president has issues with are not to be taken seriously, then we no longer have freedom of speech. Neither Trump or whoever is president has complete dominance over freedom of press, freedom of speech, or what speech should or shouldn't be taken seriously. You guys are essentially saying: Trump is king, if I didn't hear the words from Trump's own mouth, any and every source that says something bad about him is to be disbelieved. And it is all rooted in your complete compliance and desire to believe that whatever Trump says is the gospel Truth. So if he has an issue with The Times, anything they report is B.S., and if suddenly he takes issue with Breitbart or Time magazine or the Washington post, everything they report will all be bullshit too, until the only credible source of news is Trump's own mouth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:27:58 GMT -5
These are MULTIPLE sources saying this went down. I was talking to an older, more educated friend of mine who agrees you are all being idiots here. Toehold, you and your friend are both equally fucking stupid. Every single news organization is reporting the exact same thing, which is that Duarte said this and nothing more. This is not a fact, this is a statement that nobody heard except 2 people and there is no way to prove if it is true. If it is proven that Trump agrees that killing thousands of people is a justified way of solving a problem, then lets see how people here react. I am guessing that every single person here will think he is wrong, but until it is a proven statement... why in the fuck do you care so much what people will think? I have heard you time and time again speak about how other people have told you something, and since they are older or more educated that makes their opinion more right or more correct than opinions that we have. Do you know how stupid you sound when you say that? As far as Taiwan and your statement that Trump made a huge mistake in taking a phone call (which you don't know what was said). Did you know that every president in the last 40 years has sold Taiwan arms, and that Bill Clinton granted Taiwan's President access to come to our country and give paid speeches? As far as the NYT, CNN or any other news organization that tells you how to think... you realize that there is proof that Hillary Clinton was given questions ahead of debates, the leaders of these news orgs donated to Hillary's campaign, and the favorable news coverage for Hillary during the last 6 months of the campaign was a little over 35:1 compared to what Trump got when solely looking at CNN, MSNBC and ABC? I don't think you realize how blind and stupid you look in these last 4 pages. You based this entire thread on something that is unprovable, and since grasped at straws trying to pin anything you can on him and speculate how we would all react if some hypothetical event happened that never will.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:29:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:29:27 GMT -5
Oh, and don't PM me about this thread whining like a baby again because I hurt your feelings... I won't read it.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 5, 2016 22:33:01 GMT -5
I am all for freedom of speech. Candidate Trump was upset obviously. POTUS Trump will not enact any draconian measure to stifle media. That would backfire hard. Trump won because of social media because Hillary got the MSM on lockdown. Trump is obviously bitter but is being gracious(a bit) towards MSM that tried to destroy him. Obama recently just blamed bars for showing Fox news as a reason why democrats suffered massive defeat.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:35:49 GMT -5
These are MULTIPLE sources saying this went down. I was talking to an older, more educated friend of mine who agrees you are all being idiots here. Toehold, you and your friend are both equally fucking stupid. Every single news organization is reporting the exact same thing, which is that Duarte said this and nothing more. This is not a fact, this is a statement that nobody heard except 2 people and there is no way to prove if it is true. If it is proven that Trump agrees that killing thousands of people is a justified way of solving a problem, then lets see how people here react. I am guessing that every single person here will think he is wrong, but until it is a proven statement... why in the fuck do you care so much what people will think? I have heard you time and time again speak about how other people have told you something, and since they are older or more educated that makes their opinion more right or more correct than opinions that we have. Do you know how stupid you sound when you say that? As far as Taiwan and your statement that Trump made a huge mistake in taking a phone call (which you don't know what was said). Did you know that every president in the last 40 years has sold Taiwan arms, and that Bill Clinton granted Taiwan's President access to come to our country and give paid speeches? As far as the NYT, CNN or any other news organization that tells you how to think... you realize that there is proof that Hillary Clinton was given questions ahead of debates, the leaders of these news orgs donated to Hillary's campaign, and the favorable news coverage for Hillary during the last 6 months of the campaign was a little over 35:1 compared to what Trump got when solely looking at CNN, MSNBC and ABC? I don't think you realize how blind and stupid you look in these last 4 pages. You based this entire thread on something that is unprovable, and since grasped at straws trying to pin anything you can on him and speculate how we would all react if some hypothetical event happened that never will. It's true we don't know for sure one way or another if Trump said this yet, but all these sources deciding this was newsworthy says something. I just think you'll believe whatever Trump says and think any news source is bullshit if it says anything negative about him. And you didn't respond to what you think about his decision to quite likely appoint Jeff Sessions to attorney general with him thinking that weed is something people should all be imprisoned for? What do you think of that? I admit I jumped the gun assuming this is all fact, but at the same time, I think you guys are equally quick to discredit any and all sources which say anything bad about Trump. I honestly don't even care if I came off stupid either. I'll continue to learn more and more about when or when not to trust a news source, but I believe many of you guys will agree no matter what that anything said opposed to Trump is to be discredited. We had Jackal saying that he doesn't even CARE if his president thinks mass murder is ok. And you guys also many of you believe there was a "secret conspiracy" where Hilary murdered 47 people behind the scenes: if that's not tin foil hat thinking I don't know what is and I've never seen a good source on it. It's alright: Trump is going to fuck up enough over the next 4 years that there will be more than enough chances for me to point it out. If this one isn't legit enough, there's be 100 more that are where that came from, and we'll see how you guys all react to TRULY legit criticism when it comes. And if I'm correct, 9 out of 10 of you will discredit it just as much as you've discredited this, proving it's not about "lack of evidence" but lack of support for Trump's superiority.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 5, 2016 22:36:45 GMT -5
The point of contention here, Toehold, is how can we measure credibility of any news agency. Everyone has their own agenda. Let's use our brains to nitpick data & form our opinion instead of establishing confirmation bias.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:38:07 GMT -5
Oh, and don't PM me about this thread whining like a baby again because I hurt your feelings... I won't read it. I have no interest believe me. Keep believing that every single person who didn't vote for Trump is an idiot. Your friends won't get their jobs back. Trump is going to fuck unemployment worse than Obama. Lets wait 2 years and see if you still think Trump is great. And I have reasons to be insulted when you criticize everyone I know and grew up around as being stupid cause they don't agree with you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:40:42 GMT -5
The point of contention here, Toehold, is how can we measure credibility of any news agency. Everyone has their own agenda. Let's use our brains to nitpick data & form our opinion instead of establishing confirmation bias. Ok fair enough. We'll drop this issue, but IF Duterte comes to Wasington and NY what will you all say then? And what will you guys say about legit fuck ups like if Trump appoints Sessions to attorney general?? I may have jumped the gun, we'll find out soon if Trump does or doesn't deny this, or if Duterte does or doesn't come to the U.S., but I'm interested to see how many of you react WHEN Trump REALLY fucks up. In the end, I dont' think this is about any of you not trusting news sources, I think that a large number (not all of you) on this forum will deny that Trump has ever done anything wrong, even in the face of real evidence. We'll see.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:43:23 GMT -5
I am all for freedom of speech. Candidate Trump was upset obviously. POTUS Trump will not enact any draconian measure to stifle media. That would backfire hard. Trump won because of social media because Hillary got the MSM on lockdown. Trump is obviously bitter but is being gracious(a bit) towards MSM that tried to destroy him. Obama recently just blamed bars for showing Fox news as a reason why democrats suffered massive defeat. Many people also believe that Putin had an effect on the election through hacking. I'm not going to say that I believe that, but it's certainly not out of the question. I think it's quite likely he TRIED though. Trump is going to fuck up, it's a matter of time. I'm interested in seeing how people react, or if they'll all be too indoctrinated to admit it.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 5, 2016 22:43:28 GMT -5
The point of contention here, Toehold, is how can we measure credibility of any news agency. Everyone has their own agenda. Let's use our brains to nitpick data & form our opinion instead of establishing confirmation bias. Ok fair enough. We'll drop this issue, but IF Duterte comes to Wasington and NY what will you all say then? And what will you guys say about legit fuck ups like if Trump appoints Sessions to attorney general?? I may have jumped the gun, we'll find out soon if Trump does or doesn't deny this, or if Duterte does or doesn't come to the U.S., but I'm interested to see how many of you react WHEN Trump REALLY fucks up. In the end, I dont' think this is about any of you not trusting news sources, I think that a large number (not all of you) on this forum will deny that Trump has ever done anything wrong, even in the face of real evidence. We'll see. Why wouldn't Duterte go to DC? He's a head of state of 100 million people, in a powder keg region where the US desperately wants to control.
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Post by boboplata on Dec 5, 2016 22:45:14 GMT -5
I am all for freedom of speech. Candidate Trump was upset obviously. POTUS Trump will not enact any draconian measure to stifle media. That would backfire hard. Trump won because of social media because Hillary got the MSM on lockdown. Trump is obviously bitter but is being gracious(a bit) towards MSM that tried to destroy him. Obama recently just blamed bars for showing Fox news as a reason why democrats suffered massive defeat. Many people also believe that Putin had an effect on the election through hacking. I'm not going to say that I believe that, but it's certainly not out of the question. I think it's quite likely he TRIED though. Trump is going to fuck up, it's a matter of time. I'm interested in seeing how people react, or if they'll all be too indoctrinated to admit it. Whenever a POTUS fucks up, people bitch. Is normal. I guess more so towards Trump since he's being scrutinized closely by the MSM that tried to bring him down a month ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 22:52:00 GMT -5
Ok fair enough. We'll drop this issue, but IF Duterte comes to Wasington and NY what will you all say then? And what will you guys say about legit fuck ups like if Trump appoints Sessions to attorney general?? I may have jumped the gun, we'll find out soon if Trump does or doesn't deny this, or if Duterte does or doesn't come to the U.S., but I'm interested to see how many of you react WHEN Trump REALLY fucks up. In the end, I dont' think this is about any of you not trusting news sources, I think that a large number (not all of you) on this forum will deny that Trump has ever done anything wrong, even in the face of real evidence. We'll see. Why wouldn't Duterte go to DC? He's a head of state of 100 million people, in a powder keg region where the US desperately wants to control. If he does, wouldn't you say that the phone call between the two of them probably went well? And if it went well...well, I would suggest it Shouldn't have, seeing as when an intelligent president like Obama criticized Duterte for his mass slaughter, Duterte called him a "son of whore" lol. So if you've got this dictator LIKING you, I'd suggest you are a person of questionable ethics already. It could be that he could come and it wouldn't say anything negative about Trump...possibly...but lets see if they really do "get along" as these sources are reporting. No one should "get along" with this guy. I'm sorry he's your president.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 5, 2016 23:25:46 GMT -5
Why wouldn't Duterte go to DC? He's a head of state of 100 million people, in a powder keg region where the US desperately wants to control. If he does, wouldn't you say that the phone call between the two of them probably went well? Not at all, we have mass murders and evil sons of bitches in the White House visiting since it was built. That is part of dealing with other countries. They have to let people into the Oval Office and the Roosevelt Room that they hate and are evil all the time. Obama would have had Duterte at the White House himself if he was still in office for another year or two. With the shit going on in the South China Sea, and the further globalization of the Asian markets, The Philippines is an important country at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 23:28:44 GMT -5
Well we'll probably eventually find out if Trump really does support what Duterte is doing.
If he doesn't openly deny that he said that stuff, then I would assume he said it.
Lets see if any reporter poses the question to him.
But I anticipate that even if it comes out that this all went down as I said it did, you guys will still not only say I'm an idiot, but come up with reasons why there's nothing wrong with Trump agreeing with Duterte's actions.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 5, 2016 23:58:26 GMT -5
Well we'll probably eventually find out if Trump really does support what Duterte is doing. If he doesn't openly deny that he said that stuff, then I would assume he said it. Lets see if any reporter poses the question to him. But I anticipate that even if it comes out that this all went down as I said it did, you guys will still not only say I'm an idiot, but come up with reasons why there's nothing wrong with Trump agreeing with Duterte's actions. You are an idiot, but not because you disagree with Duterte's actions, which probably all but 2 of us here do.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 0:19:57 GMT -5
Oh, and don't PM me about this thread whining like a baby again because I hurt your feelings... I won't read it. I have no interest believe me. Keep believing that every single person who didn't vote for Trump is an idiot. Your friends won't get their jobs back. Trump is going to fuck unemployment worse than Obama. Lets wait 2 years and see if you still think Trump is great. And I have reasons to be insulted when you criticize everyone I know and grew up around as being stupid cause they don't agree with you. I don't think every person that didn't vote for Trump are idiots... I think people that start threads that have no basis or factual relevance, and the people that tell them they are right for starting that thread are the idiots. Nobody here is saying Trump is great... not one time. What people are saying is that he is saying that his approach to governing and problem solving is going to bypass PC, use practical thinking, and his number one priority is going to be to put Americans first. I am willing and excited to see if it works, because we have all seen how failed Obama's policies have proven to be when you measure personal wealth and labor participation.
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