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Post by Baph on Nov 24, 2016 1:08:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 2:30:18 GMT -5
What about that Toehold? There is nothing there but hearsay and some flat-out lies. Don't go confusing Toehold with facts damnit!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2016 11:41:45 GMT -5
If I hear the words "hitler, nazi, misoginyst, bigot, racist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic, islamaphobic, or phobicphobic" one more fucking time I'm going to jump off the fucking roof. Coming from the guy who routinely calls her Hitlary.
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Post by slaytan on Nov 25, 2016 18:28:09 GMT -5
If I hear the words "hitler, nazi, misoginyst, bigot, racist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic, islamaphobic, or phobicphobic" one more fucking time I'm going to jump off the fucking roof. Coming from the guy who routinely calls her Hitlary. good one bruh
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 19:58:31 GMT -5
So what about Richard Spencer?
Are we willing to agree he's an anti-semite?
Sieg-hieling Trump??
Admitting to being a white supremacist who supposedly started the alt.right movement (wouldn't that make the alt.right questionable as well?)
I hope we can AT LEAST admit that sieg heling Trump, complete with the raised palm gesture, is at least a bit "questionable" can't we guys?
I'm glad Trump disavowed his racist followers, but lets see if he continues to separate himself from those holding those views.
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Post by Baph on Nov 26, 2016 22:53:36 GMT -5
I have no idea who Richard Spencer is. Is he important? In journalism or TV? Does he have a substantial following?
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Post by Angelo on Nov 27, 2016 0:13:59 GMT -5
I have no idea who Richard Spencer is. Is he important? In journalism or TV? Does he have a substantial following? A disgusting human being with too much power. He's the one that rallied up the legit racists for Trump votes. Though with the voter turnout the way it was, looks like the "alt right" wasn't even a major factor.
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Post by Baph on Nov 27, 2016 0:25:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 0:28:11 GMT -5
I have no idea who Richard Spencer is. Is he important? In journalism or TV? Does he have a substantial following? He's said to have started the Alt. Right movement, but I don't know if that's true. But he seems to act like he wants to speak for some significant segment of Trump supporters, which I don't overall think is true, but still, he's fucked up. I don't know much about him, but that there is anyone like him supporting Trump is troubling.
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Post by Baph on Nov 27, 2016 0:29:46 GMT -5
Eat this 10 min sandwich of WTF are you talking about, Willis (vid posted above) and then get back to me on Joe Spencer or whoever the fuck. P.S. there were fringe psycho black panthers race war advocates supporting Obama. Where was the righteous indignation then? There were all manner of hyper connected, corrupt elitist corporate slime supporting Clinton. But some anti-BLM troll with an internet fetish likes Trump and it's Apocalypse Now all of a sudden.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 0:42:24 GMT -5
Kind of amusing, but I don't see what profound points he makes. I mean he makes a good point about Black Lives Matter to some extent, and we all know there are communist dictators who are as bad as right wing dictators, but I still don't see the proof that Bannon isn't racist and that Breitbart wasn't sort of a haven for people like Spencer. We don't know how prevalent they are or whether they are common. As far as the "unfriending" thing, it goes BOTH ways. We obviously have a divided nation now and it's not just about who won: lets not pretend if Hillary won the Trump supporters would have all been nice about it. There's obviously lots of good reasons for the two sides not to be happy with eachother. I don't really see Trump as that ant-establishment either: he was created by the republicans and is still largely a part of their system. He's not a real 3rd party guy or a true independent.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 27, 2016 0:43:36 GMT -5
Eat this 10 min sandwich of WTF are you talking about, Willis (vid posted above) and then get back to me on Joe Spencer or whoever the fuck. P.S. there were fringe psycho black panthers race war advocates supporting Obama. Where was the righteous indignation then? There were all manner of hyper connected, corrupt elitist corporate slime supporting Clinton. But some anti-BLM troll with an internet fetish likes Trump and it's Apocalypse Now all of a sudden. Guy was a co-founder of vice before it became a giant media online entity.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 0:45:10 GMT -5
Eat this 10 min sandwich of WTF are you talking about, Willis (vid posted above) and then get back to me on Joe Spencer or whoever the fuck. P.S. there were fringe psycho black panthers race war advocates supporting Obama. Where was the righteous indignation then? There were all manner of hyper connected, corrupt elitist corporate slime supporting Clinton. But some anti-BLM troll with an internet fetish likes Trump and it's Apocalypse Now all of a sudden. Well if it's in fact true he started the alt.right movement, I wouldn't call that some small thing. You said the other day they didn't represent racism, but this is what I've heard claimed about this guy: that he was in fact the one who coined the phrase "alt.right". He's out there saying "jews aren't people but soulless gollum" and claiming he supports Trump's views. I don't think he does, but it's not something to ignore IMO.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 27, 2016 0:47:16 GMT -5
Yiannoupolous is a gay right winger of jewish descent. Ben shapiro, editor-at-large at breitbart, one of the sharpest conservative that I know. Jewish. Please stop putting people of different color, race, religion & sexual orientation in boxes where you thought they should belong. Smart people will always find their way at the right(pun fucking intended) side of things.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 27, 2016 0:48:46 GMT -5
The dude runs the NPI, which is basically the foundation of the Nazi party in the US.
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Post by Baph on Nov 27, 2016 0:53:17 GMT -5
Britebart is full of gays and jews in leadership positions and it's supposedly the safe haven for some secret underground Nazi renaissance in the US? You guys sound like the tinfoil rednecks you used to make fun of: "Obummer is a fukkin mussslem, bet yer ass".
White Power groups are down across the board. Many of them are at 20 and 30 year lows in membership numbers. This shit is fading and the left wants, NEEDS it to be something that it just isn't. It's getting sad.
I'm strongly on the libertarian side of things, I like a lot of alt right concepts, I'm very anti-PC, anti-Muslim, etc., and I've literally never heard of this dude. So if you're imagining that he's some sort of rockstar or that he's influential that's just not the case.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 0:57:01 GMT -5
Maybe he's not.
And I know Breitbart is very pro-Israel, so it makes sense there'd be jews who like them and who are right wingers.
Well it makes sense that there are right and left wingers of all backgrounds.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 27, 2016 1:00:30 GMT -5
Britebart is full of gays and jews in leadership positions and it's supposedly the safe haven for some secret underground Nazi renaissance in the US? You guys sound like the tinfoil rednecks you used to make fun of: "Obummer is a fukkin mussslem, bet yer ass". White Power groups are down across the board. Many of them are at 20 and 30 year lows in membership numbers. This shit is fading and the left wants, NEEDS it to be something that it just isn't. It's getting sad. I'm strongly on the libertarian side of things, I like a lot of alt right concepts, I'm very anti-PC, anti-Muslim, etc., and I've literally never heard of this dude. So if you're imagining that he's some sort of rockstar or that he's influential that's just not the case. Not Britebart, they are so pro-jew you'd think they were run by hassidics. NPI, who Spencer runs.
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Post by Baph on Nov 27, 2016 1:02:02 GMT -5
I heard Milo talk about the alt right and he said I like some of their positions, others not so much, we travel together when we agree, when we part ways we part ways, it's as simple as that, and I'm definitely not a part of the movement. So you've got two editors at Breitbart, both Jewish, one openly gay, neither part of the alt right. Andrew Breitbart himself was not part of any movement like this and never advocated for any sort of racism or nationalism whatsoever. Never. So, who from the alt right has a voice on Breitbart? Where has this Stevenson guy been invited to speak, write, sit on counsel or committees? Where's this thread lead? What the fuck is NPI? Has anyone you know ever read it, posted a link to it, shared it on social media, seen it on cable news? This is a reach to put it mildly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 2:36:11 GMT -5
^^^^^ The speech he gave where he "heiled Trump" was at the Ronald Reagan building in Washington, DC on Novemeber 19th, which is I guess not a super small platform since he's just been mentioned a fair bit lately on CNNBC and some other news channels and suggested, I'm sure by more liberal/leftward leaning people, as being indicative of some bad currents in the Trump supporter movement, but I don't feel that's probably fair to the VAST majority at all and I'm sure he's a minority of a minority. I didn't make it up, but I mentioned it because he's been mentioned a lot on prominent news networks lately which I guess you didn't see. And so I thought it made sense to bring him up in this kind of thread because of these ideas relating to racism etc, and so I don't think it's a reach to bring it up. This was an article by NPR with an interview including him and linking him to the alt.right movement. Take it for what is is, I'm not saying what alt. right means or doesn't mean, that's for other people smarter than me to do. www.npr.org/2016/11/17/502476139/were-not-going-away-alt-right-leader-on-voice-in-trump-administration
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 2:45:24 GMT -5
Then I just saw this on Yahoo! www.yahoo.com/news/trump-still-navigating-white-supremacists-support-133158985--election.htmlThese are some of the notable parts: "Members of the self-declared "alt-right" have exulted over the Nov. 8 results with public cries of "Hail Trump!" and reprises of the Nazi salute. The Ku Klux Klan plans to mark Trump's victory with a parade next month in North Carolina. Civil rights advocates have recoiled, citing an uptick in harassment and incidents of hate crimes affecting blacks, Jews, Muslims, Latinos, gays, lesbians and other minority groups since the vote... Trump's detractors and his "alt-right" supporters broadly agree on one thing: It may not even matter what Trump himself believes, or how he defines his own ideology, because his campaign rhetoric has emboldened the white identity politics that will help define his administration.
"Those groups clearly see something and hear something that causes them to believe he is one who sympathizes with their voice and their view. ... Donald Trump has to take responsibility for that," said Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, a black Democrat. He was among 169 members of Congress who signed a letter opposing Bannon's White House appointment. White nationalist leader Richard Spencer said he believes Trump, Bannon and the "alt-right" are "all riding in the same lane." Spencer explained that neither Trump nor Bannon is a movement "identitarian," Spencer's preferred term for his racially driven politics. But Spencer said Trump's election validates Spencer's view that America must reject multiculturalism and "political correctness" in favor of its white, Christian European heritage."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 2:53:28 GMT -5
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Post by slaytan on Nov 27, 2016 6:05:55 GMT -5
Herphle Derphle ohmergerd, there's some bad guy who likes Trump it meansh dat Trump ish bad and Ah werz right all along!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 10:03:50 GMT -5
What is the argument here anymore? That Trump appointed a racist in Bannon? The fact NOBODY can show Bannon is racist outside of his wife's accusations during a divorce hearing is pretty telling. Shapiro actually hates the guy, so he might be an asshole but calling him a racist with no proof or shoddy examples makes you an even bigger asshole.
You don't just throw around "racist, bigot, or sexist" without some quality evidence or you are an asshole with very little common decency. Those are words reserved for the true scum of the earth, not buzz words to try and discredit or cut down on honest conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 11:30:57 GMT -5
Toehold, you seem to be falling for the same line of schlock that the rest of the left is falling for.
Because a very small % of whites (the supremacists) found Trump's positions on certain things appealing, that means that everyone who voted for him "supports racism". That's the line of reasoning I've seen coming from the left.
And I've been having a field day with people who think like that on my sister's FB page. It's a treasure trove of ill informed dunder-libs who think their blanket statements carry weight. They tend to be 100% shocked that their friend's brother voted for Trump, proclaims it proudly, and trounces them on their allegations of racism. My "Trump" card - "Oh yeah I'm such a huge racist. Ask your friend, my sister, how many of her black boyfriends I've allowed into my home, fed, let smoke my stuff, and sleep here. Because the answer is: All of them."
Racial tensions had nothing to do with the majority who voted for him. 62M Americans who voted for Trump ARE NOT RACIST but the left wants to imply that they all are.
Also- I've followed the alt. right since it became a thing. At no point was it based on racism, yet because some small group decided to be associated with it (the guy who says he "started it"? I've never heard of him. Took a liberal to show me who he even is. He had no impact on my thinking in this election. If you want to see the real "mouthpiece" of the alt. right, look at Milo. An articulate, intelligent, "dangerous faggot" (his words about himself, not mine) who's also Jewish and not even an American citizen. Because that's who I was listening to. And that's who a ton of the folks who voted for Trump were listening to as well. Not some white supremacist. Just someone who calls a spade a spade and has no problem chastising "protected" groups for behaving like a bunch of cunts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 1:24:04 GMT -5
Toehold, you seem to be falling for the same line of schlock that the rest of the left is falling for. Because a very small % of whites (the supremacists) found Trump's positions on certain things appealing, that means that everyone who voted for him "supports racism". That's the line of reasoning I've seen coming from the left. And I've been having a field day with people who think like that on my sister's FB page. It's a treasure trove of ill informed dunder-libs who think their blanket statements carry weight. They tend to be 100% shocked that their friend's brother voted for Trump, proclaims it proudly, and trounces them on their allegations of racism. My "Trump" card - "Oh yeah I'm such a huge racist. Ask your friend, my sister, how many of her black boyfriends I've allowed into my home, fed, let smoke my stuff, and sleep here. Because the answer is: All of them." Racial tensions had nothing to do with the majority who voted for him. 62M Americans who voted for Trump ARE NOT RACIST but the left wants to imply that they all are. Also- I've followed the alt. right since it became a thing. At no point was it based on racism, yet because some small group decided to be associated with it (the guy who says he "started it"? I've never heard of him. Took a liberal to show me who he even is. He had no impact on my thinking in this election. If you want to see the real "mouthpiece" of the alt. right, look at Milo. An articulate, intelligent, "dangerous faggot" (his words about himself, not mine) who's also Jewish and not even an American citizen. Because that's who I was listening to. And that's who a ton of the folks who voted for Trump were listening to as well. Not some white supremacist. Just someone who calls a spade a spade and has no problem chastising "protected" groups for behaving like a bunch of cunts. I don't even come CLOSE to believing that. Look above and you'll see I said "I'm sure he's a minority of a minority". I also can't tell about the credibility of sites because every single one seems to be biased towards the right or left, so if I find one saying one thing and another saying something similar, I may post it, and it may not be the 100% truth. I doubt more than 1% MAX of Trump voters is a TRUE racist, and when I say that, I mean to the extent that they'd use it to negatively effect others or be violent or spawn hate speech, cause of course it's everyone's right to be racist if they want so long as they don't fuck with people. I'm actually not at all "P.C." really either, and find it funny I'll listen to metal bands I KNOW are racist and who'd SERIOUSLY piss me off if I knew them, but I don't want to let their opinions stop me from listening to some heavy shit they wrote LOL. The whole super P.C. movement DOES SERIOUSLY need to tone it down and it's gone WAY WAY too far. Nevertheless it IS a bit shocking to see a president being "hailed" as if he were Hitler. There are still people alive who were in the WW2 camps, so it's not a joke, and there is something that makes you scratch your head about why there was NEVER before Trump a president who had the approval (disavowed or not) of a KKK grand wizard, who is supposedly inciting a KKK march or who was "Sieg Heiled". Why did neither Bush or Reagan get that effect? Be that as it may, I'm sure they are nothing more then idiots who Trump already said he disavowed who he has little if anything at all in common with. Others have rightly pointed out that some BLM's activists have killed innocent white people, and that shit is absolutely uncalled for as well. But I mentioned it because it has to do with the general theme of the thread, whether it's Bannon or not, people SUPPOSEDLY racist, who are Trump supporters, and what it might or might not be indicative of. If Trump continues to tell people to ignore them, it shouldn't be an issue worth thinking about.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 28, 2016 3:10:48 GMT -5
While we're arguing whether Bannon is racist, the left(not even the far liberal cucks) are praising Fidel Castro.
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Post by slaytan on Nov 28, 2016 6:51:30 GMT -5
there are communist dictators who are as bad as right wing dictators I bet this buffoon can't name a single "right wing dictator."
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Post by Angelo on Nov 28, 2016 8:26:06 GMT -5
there are communist dictators who are as bad as right wing dictators I bet this buffoon can't name a single "right wing dictator." Because it is any oxymoron.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 10:02:40 GMT -5
While we're arguing whether Bannon is racist, the left(not even the far liberal cucks) are praising Fidel Castro. Is this a good time to snicker at the clueless f*cktards running around their college campuses wearing T-shirts bearing Che Guevara's revolutionary image -- on their way to a gay-rights parade?
He was reputedly in charge of EXECUTING known homosexuals under the cigar-smoking one. But these entitled infants, who have apparently never had a civics class, aren't too hip on history either. LOL.
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