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Post by Angelo on Nov 18, 2016 5:34:08 GMT -5
Trump isn't draining the swamp, he's fucking repopulating it. Elaborate Instead of doing what Trump said he was going to do, draining the swamp of same ole' same ole', he's repopulating it with career politicians and bankers just like Obama, Bush, and Hillary would have done.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 9:52:04 GMT -5
His list of potential candidates for cabinet positions is quite literally a who's who list of entrenched politicians of the last 10 years.
Draining the swamp was supposed to mean bringing out people from outside the political bubble. Nearly everyone on his list is someone who has been working in politics. Hell, he's even meeting with Mitt Romney now. Put aside the fact that I actually don't mind Romney. But based on his actions during the campaigns, He's fucking swamp thing. He's the poster child for what we were led to believe Trump was going to be draining from the swamp.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 10:17:26 GMT -5
I'm not sure you understand what draining the swamp actually entails Duval. It does not entail hiring a bunch of OTHER people who've never held political office either. That would be a recipe for real disaster. It entails breaking up existing relationships and replacing the individuals who had those relationships with outside entities with people who do not.
The thing to really be looking at are the financial contributions made to the campaigns of the individuals he's putting in place.
You aren't going to find the same names on the list of the people coming in as you'll find on those going out.
This is more of that damned if he does, damned if he doesn't bullshit. If he hires someone with political experience, he's not draining the swamp. If he hired Ronald McDonald, he's hired a clown. I don't know what people were expecting. But when you take over a new enterprise that you don't have much experience with, it helps to hire people who do. This is just basic logic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 11:33:59 GMT -5
You and I have a different idea of what it means to drain the swamp, then. As someone who has worked for two startups, I know you only require one, maybe two people with experience in the particular field. You can start fresh with a mostly new crew of smart, efficient, hard working people with the same vision. THAT is how change is enacted. As it stands now, Trump is going to find himself stonewalled on 80% of what he hopes to accomplish. And that is with a Republican majority in the house and senate.
I think you could absolutely bring in a bunch of people who have never held office before. Kind of how the guys who wrote the Constitution intended.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 18, 2016 14:03:41 GMT -5
Trump isn't draining the swamp, he's fucking repopulating it. Let's just call a spade a spade... No one is going to shake shit up in Washington. Nobody. In your lifetime we have not had a President address illegal immigration. Why is that? Because it would shake shit up in washington. When Trump does I'll be interested to see what you think. If he actually enacts immigration reform, repeals shitty long standing trade deals, repeals Obamacare, reverses tax policy and enacts term limits on politicians, is that shaking things up? I'm not sure what you guys expect. He is going to appoint people to positions no one else in the republican party would because Cruz, Rubio, Bush, etc, would have all said they are too conservative.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 14:30:14 GMT -5
Like I said. I'm glad the criminal didn't get to be commander in chief. And otherwise I'm ready to sit back and see what Trump does. I agree it's pointless to debate these things before they happen. And no matter what he does, the news is going to make it out to be the worst thing ever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 14:50:00 GMT -5
He can't repeal Obamacare unless he can get some Dems behind it which I have a feeling will be fighting him tooth and nail on EVERYTHING.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 18, 2016 17:29:12 GMT -5
He can't repeal Obamacare unless he can get some Dems behind it which I have a feeling will be fighting him tooth and nail on EVERYTHING. I don't believe he needs a single democrat on board. There is reconciliation authority (not sure of what the comprises) AND Obama enacted the nuclear option on filibustering. From what I was listening to on the radio, a simple majority can now pass basically anything. If you have a different understanding on that explain as I may be missing something. Will they repeal it rather than re-shape it? We don't know but it has one of the lowest approval ratings of any government program ever enacted so Trump is clearly going to do something. Now, I would assume it is going to take some time to implement his changes, but their is a LOT of support to stop penalizing and over charging people that are being devastated by these rising premiums. .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 19:49:02 GMT -5
He can't repeal Obamacare unless he can get some Dems behind it which I have a feeling will be fighting him tooth and nail on EVERYTHING. I don't believe he needs a single democrat on board. There is reconciliation authority (not sure of what the comprises) AND Obama enacted the nuclear option on filibustering. From what I was listening to on the radio, a simple majority can now pass basically anything. If you have a different understanding on that explain as I may be missing something. Will they repeal it rather than re-shape it? We don't know but it has one of the lowest approval ratings of any government program ever enacted so Trump is clearly going to do something. Now, I would assume it is going to take some time to implement his changes, but their is a LOT of support to stop penalizing and over charging people that are being devastated by these rising premiums. . My doctor I am working with was talying about it, I think it will take more than a simple majority to repeal bUT I took him at his word, I can ask Monday to see the specifics of how thay aspect works. I agree that it needs to at least be reshaped, many docs I talk to hate it.
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Post by adamg01 on Nov 19, 2016 0:55:42 GMT -5
He can't repeal Obamacare unless he can get some Dems behind it which I have a feeling will be fighting him tooth and nail on EVERYTHING. Yes, he will have a better shot at deporting 2 to 3 million illegals.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 10:45:23 GMT -5
He can't repeal Obamacare unless he can get some Dems behind it which I have a feeling will be fighting him tooth and nail on EVERYTHING. I don't believe he needs a single democrat on board. There is reconciliation authority (not sure of what the comprises) AND Obama enacted the nuclear option on filibustering. From what I was listening to on the radio, a simple majority can now pass basically anything. If you have a different understanding on that explain as I may be missing something. Will they repeal it rather than re-shape it? We don't know but it has one of the lowest approval ratings of any government program ever enacted so Trump is clearly going to do something. Now, I would assume it is going to take some time to implement his changes, but their is a LOT of support to stop penalizing and over charging people that are being devastated by these rising premiums. . So I looked into it anf he does not need a single dem on board for the repeal but the Dems can filibuster and then Republicans would need 60 votes to get through that which would require 9 (I think) Dems voting with Republicans.
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Post by Baph on Nov 20, 2016 1:15:13 GMT -5
So I looked into it anf he does not need a single dem on board for the repeal but the Dems can filibuster and then Republicans would need 60 votes to get through that which would require 9 (I think) Dems voting with Republicans. Dems won't filibuster. They believe in pure democracy, not in a minority (electoral college, for example) having power over a majority, this a filibuster will not be used to infringe upon the will of the majority.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 9:41:31 GMT -5
So I looked into it anf he does not need a single dem on board for the repeal but the Dems can filibuster and then Republicans would need 60 votes to get through that which would require 9 (I think) Dems voting with Republicans. Dems won't filibuster. They believe in pure democracy, not in a minority (electoral college, for example) having power over a majority, this a filibuster will not be used to infringe upon the will of the majority. Lol.... They may just sit in when they don't get their way.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 23:41:20 GMT -5
The Anti-Defammation League is a 100% credible source, and they have documented evidence of Bannon's anti-semitic rants.
I'm going to do some actual research and find evidence of some of them, but they are legit enough that them saying it is akin to him being an anti-semite.
You don't have to do primary resource beyond a source like the ADL: if they claim someone is making inflammatory racial remarks it's true, and it doesn't make you a media sheep to believe them.
In fact, NOT believing them would make you something pretty bad...not sure what I'd call it, basically someone completely unwilling to accept real evidence.
The guys a racist but the problem is now no one believes you if you say it because it's like crying wolf now.
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Post by Baph on Nov 20, 2016 23:53:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 0:06:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 0:12:17 GMT -5
Breitbart has failed to remove some blatantly anti-Semitic comments, including one that says “Heil Hitler,” below the column.
Bannon allegedly called Jews “whiny brats.”
His ex-wife claimed in a sworn statement in 2007 that Bannon made three separate anti-Semitic remarks when they were choosing a school for their daughters. The ex-wife, who also accused Bannon of attacking her, made the statement during divorce proceedings.
In one instance, according to NBC News, Bannon asked a school director “why there were so many Hanukkah books in the library.” At another school, the ex-wife said, Bannon “asked me if it bothered me that the school used to be in a temple. I said no and asked why he asked … he did not respond.”
At a third school, The Archer School for Girls, Bannon “went on to say the biggest problem he had with Archer is the number of Jews that attend. He said that he doesn’t like Jews and that he doesn’t like the way they raise their kids to be ‘whiny brats’ and that he didn’t want the girls going to school with Jews.”
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 0:15:50 GMT -5
And aside from even him, WHY did Trump never explicitly say he didn't want David Duke supporting him, or at least say that he did not support Duke's views??
Since he never said it, I feel he may not have an issue with Duke's views.
And Duke being so enthusiastic about Bannon's new position...
It certainly SEEMS like the "alt-right" is another way of saying "extreme right wing who often have racist views".
If that's NOT what "alt.right" means then how else do they differ from the "non-alt. right"??
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Post by Baph on Nov 21, 2016 0:35:05 GMT -5
Please give the best example you have of Bannon being racist. Just one clear example. Let's zoom in and focus on it.
I'm not seeing the smoking gun. A disgruntled ex wife trying to smear him during divorce hearing so she can get custody and more money? By the way, his kids ended up at that jewish school, and his staff at work is full of jews, women, gays, and minorities. Also, you're off on what the alt-right is. The alt-right is just a response to political correctness and identity politics. It's as simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 0:47:59 GMT -5
Please give the best example you have of Bannon being racist. Just one clear example. Let's zoom in and focus on it. I'm not seeing the smoking gun. A disgruntled ex wife trying to smear him during divorce hearing so she can get custody and more money? By the way, his kids ended up at that jewish school, and his staff at work is full of jews, women, gays, and minorities. Also, you're off on what the alt-right is. The alt-right is just a response to political correctness and identity politics. It's as simple as that. Well I'm just going to go with whatever the ADL says. If you end up being right, that they took it back, I'll believe it. If that source is incorrect, I'll go with them having cited him as having said "Heil Hitler" on his site as I quoted above you, and even with the fact that his kids ended up at the school, if the quotes about him saying something like "jews are whiny and raise whiny kids and I don't want my kids going to that school" are in fact true, that's pretty offensive. I can see what you are saying on them having response to political correctness, but couldn't that often be a guise for "we don't like people calling us out on our un-P.C. racial comments"?? Like, having the world being increasingly P.C. is IMO usually not a great thing, and I even think people should be allowed (as they obviously are) to make racist comments if they want so long as they are not directed at people in such a way as to be defamation, BUT...I could definitely see a lot of people who are racist using that "we want to protect ourselves from attempts to force us to be overly P.C." guise, as a shield behind which they could reveal their racism, and then claim "oh we aren't racist, we just want to be allowed to say whatever we want and don't like being told not to..." I'm sure it's been done before, and I'd imagine that SOME people from the alt. right do it. That wouldn't make them the majority, but I can't see it as not being something some do.
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Post by Baph on Nov 21, 2016 0:59:31 GMT -5
Please give the best example you have of Bannon being racist. Just one clear example. Let's zoom in and focus on it. I'm not seeing the smoking gun. A disgruntled ex wife trying to smear him during divorce hearing so she can get custody and more money? By the way, his kids ended up at that jewish school, and his staff at work is full of jews, women, gays, and minorities. Also, you're off on what the alt-right is. The alt-right is just a response to political correctness and identity politics. It's as simple as that. ADL already backed off. So? Have you ever said Heil Hitler, even as a joke, or to mock someone who was being bossy, ever? I'll be you $100 this either doesn't exist or it's obviously in jest/trolling. If Steve Bannon literally worships dead Hitler I'll eat my fucking hat. Then it's hearsay from his wife during divorce proceedings? That's garbage and anyone would grant me that. P.S. Jews are whiney. Like, famously so. It's awesome. #woodyallen #lewisblack Absolutely there would be some of that, just like there are fringe commie zealots in the progressive party who want to kill whitey. But the heart and soul of alt-right is a pendulum swinging backlash against #occupy and #blm and #youPCbro? and this absurd #triggered bullshit, because a lot of reasonable, moral people are sick of being called racists every time the don't vote the way the DNC thinks they should. It's getting old, folks. See the election results? People are pushing back. Back off with the identity politics and the -ism -phobic Gatling gun you've been peppering me with for a decade. No longer amusing. Regardless, a push back against race baiting would attract racists, sure, but a warranted push-back against race baiting is still happening, and it's completely valid and necessary, regardless of whether David Duke thinks it's neat-o.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:12:09 GMT -5
I like Trump cabinet picks and who he is meeting with. Romney is a bitch who lost a fairly easy election when Obama was weak, but he is a damn good business man and clear speaker. The general's so far all have big balls that are well respected by the military's people. I really want to see Gingrich get a spot even though he has declined it publicly.
Draining the swamp doesn't mean lifelong politicians are not going to be included... it means that backroom deals and channels of corruption will be stopped. I believe Trump can do that regardless of who is working for him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 18:37:44 GMT -5
Also worth noting Toehold-
The guy at the ADL who was responsible for pushing the Bannon smear campaign worked for Soros in the past. Anything tied to Soros is shady as fuck.
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Post by maillesdad on Nov 21, 2016 22:14:26 GMT -5
Please give the best example you have of Bannon being racist. Just one clear example. Let's zoom in and focus on it. I'm not seeing the smoking gun. A disgruntled ex wife trying to smear him during divorce hearing so she can get custody and more money? By the way, his kids ended up at that jewish school, and his staff at work is full of jews, women, gays, and minorities. Also, you're off on what the alt-right is. The alt-right is just a response to political correctness and identity politics. It's as simple as that. Well I'm just going to go with whatever the ADL says. If you end up being right, that they took it back, I'll believe it. If that source is incorrect, I'll go with them having cited him as having said "Heil Hitler" on his site as I quoted above you, and even with the fact that his kids ended up at the school, if the quotes about him saying something like "jews are whiny and raise whiny kids and I don't want my kids going to that school" are in fact true, that's pretty offensive. I can see what you are saying on them having response to political correctness, but couldn't that often be a guise for "we don't like people calling us out on our un-P.C. racial comments"?? Like, having the world being increasingly P.C. is IMO usually not a great thing, and I even think people should be allowed (as they obviously are) to make racist comments if they want so long as they are not directed at people in such a way as to be defamation, BUT...I could definitely see a lot of people who are racist using that "we want to protect ourselves from attempts to force us to be overly P.C." guise, as a shield behind which they could reveal their racism, and then claim "oh we aren't racist, we just want to be allowed to say whatever we want and don't like being told not to..." I'm sure it's been done before, and I'd imagine that SOME people from the alt. right do it. That wouldn't make them the majority, but I can't see it as not being something some do. Toehold, Your link does not cite him as saying 'heil hitler' on his site. It said he did not remove that comment from the comments section below an article. There is a bit of a difference there.
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Post by Baph on Nov 22, 2016 17:42:26 GMT -5
So some troll in the comments section mentioned Hitler, thus Bannon is a Nazi?
Got it.
Hey, just curious, ever read the comments on a YouTube video?
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Post by Baph on Nov 23, 2016 1:43:50 GMT -5
In defense of ToeMold, I can see why someone would think this. Look what CNN did: www.breitbart.com/news/cnn-and-jake-tapper-apologize-for-unacceptable-banner-text/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialThe on-screen phrase during the segment stated, “Alt-Right Founder Questions if Jews are People.” CNN issued a statement calling that caption “poor judgment and we very much regret it and apologize.” These are the same people caught feeding multiple debate questions to Hitlary and fudging polls to show a landslide Clinton win was inevitable. But don't worry, they'll run a retraction three days later at 2 am on page 18 that nobody will ever see. Damage done.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 23, 2016 2:03:55 GMT -5
Please give the best example you have of Bannon being racist. Just one clear example. Let's zoom in and focus on it. I'm not seeing the smoking gun. A disgruntled ex wife trying to smear him during divorce hearing so she can get custody and more money? By the way, his kids ended up at that jewish school, and his staff at work is full of jews, women, gays, and minorities. Also, you're off on what the alt-right is. The alt-right is just a response to political correctness and identity politics. It's as simple as that. Well I'm just going to go with whatever the ADL says. Please don't let other people think for you. And ADL worst of all. I just typed ADL bullshit on google...rabbit hole waiting.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 7:24:27 GMT -5
What about that Toehold? There is nothing there but hearsay and some flat-out lies.
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Post by Baph on Nov 24, 2016 0:51:02 GMT -5
If I hear the words "hitler, nazi, misoginyst, bigot, racist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic, islamaphobic, or phobicphobic" one more fucking time I'm going to jump off the fucking roof.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Nov 24, 2016 1:06:12 GMT -5
hitler, nazi, misoginyst, bigot, racist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic, homophobic, islamaphobic, and phobic phobic!!!!
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