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Post by Premier on Nov 15, 2016 9:24:16 GMT -5
The thing with Conor is that he thinks he is the UFC. The UFC should pay him, but they should also remind them that he needs the UFC more than the UFC needs him Chuck left. Randy left. Brock left. GSP left. Ronda left. The UFC always recovered. There will always be someone waiting in the wings. I guess the thing here is there were already new stars emerging when those others left.
Conor is really a one man show right now. Ronda is on her way out with maybe a fight or two left.
Lets say that Conor quit the UFC tomorrow. Who would bring in numbers even close to what Conor is doing? Nobody. If Conor isn't on a card, you can expect the cards to go back to the 600,000-ish PPV.
Conor is in a VERY unique situation with the UFC right now. He's the most popular fighter by a mile, two division champion, love him or hate him, he's got a personality like no other on the roster, he always has exciting fights, he has a full country behind him, ....and HE'S ONLY 28.
I have to believe that the UFC will bend over backwards for this guy, including giving him a slice of the pie.
Someone else will always come along. Even when Jordan left the NBA survived. There is always a Lebron waiting in the wings. I say fuck Conor.
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Post by jasonkl on Nov 15, 2016 9:41:24 GMT -5
If I were Connor, I'd drop to 2 fights per year, especially with how much he makes per fight. He had 3 huge fights in 2015 and 2016, I believe he has been more active than any other champ. He totally deserves a break for up to 6 months if he wants it. Now if he does get the equity in the company, it would encourage him to fight more as the more he fights the more the UFC makes, but I still expect him to drop to 2 fights per year. It's rare for huge superstars who make his money to keep fighting that often, mayweather for example fought once per year for years but than changed it to 2 times per year over his last years in the showtime deal.
Back to the equity, celebs weren't given equity, they bought into the company, I would imagine the UFC could do something like put into connors contract that he gets paid per fight and also could earn say .05% equity stake for every million ppv buys his fights generate. Based on a $4.2 billion value, that would be worth about $2.1 million per million buys on top of his pay. If he fights 10 more times under current ownership and does 15 million ppv buys, than he earned himself about .75% which would currently be worthy over $30 million. That would basically be how I would try to structure it if I owned the UFC and position it as an additional bonus that nobody else has ever had. The more he fights the more he makes and more equity ownership he gets.
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Post by godzilla on Nov 15, 2016 12:59:20 GMT -5
The thing with Conor is that he thinks he is the UFC. The UFC should pay him, but they should also remind them that he needs the UFC more than the UFC needs him Chuck left. Randy left. Brock left. GSP left. Ronda left. The UFC always recovered. There will always be someone waiting in the wings. I wonder if that is the answer (at least one of a few) to Conor's huge success... Chuck, Randy and Brock (and Tito, Franklin, Penn, even GSP, Big Nog, Wand) were iconic fighters of more or less the same era. I'm not sure if we see that charisma nowadays. Conor has it, and so does Ronda (but she's leaving soon). Who's left to fill those blanks?
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Post by clubman on Nov 15, 2016 13:41:40 GMT -5
If I had to guess, Conor will go in with his PPV numbers vs the rest of the cards for 2016, and show Dana, look I made 40% of the total PPV buys this year for you guys... so let me know what perecentage you want to give me?
If you think hes going to entertain .05% you're out of your mind. Conor is looking for 3-5% I would guess. But I would guess he's going in large and asking for 10% so they can negotiate down from there.
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Post by Fasthands25 on Nov 15, 2016 14:05:10 GMT -5
"I woont ten percent of de fookin coompany Dayna! I fookin demand 10 percent of 4.5 billion or else I'm moovin to fookin bellator with my two belts BECAUSE THE DOOBLE CHAMP DOOS WHATEVER DA FOOK HE WANTS!!!
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Post by Premier on Nov 15, 2016 15:32:55 GMT -5
Didn't Dana get 5%?
Ok Conor, 10, yeah.....
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Nov 15, 2016 15:40:30 GMT -5
If I had to guess, Conor will go in with his PPV numbers vs the rest of the cards for 2016, and show Dana, look I made 40% of the total PPV buys this year for you guys... so let me know what perecentage you want to give me? If you think hes going to entertain .05% you're out of your mind. Conor is looking for 3-5% I would guess. But I would guess he's going in large and asking for 10% so they can negotiate down from there. He said... 05% equity stake for every million ppv buys his fights generate So the more he fights and brings in big numbers, the more he gains. He's going to have to fight regularly, he said he'd defend both belts... 2 times a year is not going to cut it.
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Post by jasonkl on Nov 15, 2016 19:37:00 GMT -5
"I woont ten percent of de fookin coompany Dayna! I fookin demand 10 percent of 4.5 billion or else I'm moovin to fookin bellator with my two belts BECAUSE THE DOOBLE CHAMP DOOS WHATEVER DA FOOK HE WANTS!!! 10% equity is worth $420 million and potentially more if they continue to increase in value, there is noway in hell they would offer him close to that or even 5% which would be worth $210 million. Earning equity through his fights makes the most sense to me. He would be rewarded with equity through performance, similar to how executives at companies earn stock bonuses. The negotiation would be over how much equity he earns with each fight and ppv draws. The .05 would be my offer along with $5 million base pay, and the most ppv points anyone has, something like I said earlier of $10 per buy up to 1 million, $15 per buy between 1 and 2 million and $20 per buy over 2 million. With that deal, if he ever actually did the 4 million or so buys that may weather did against manny, he would make $5 million base plus $65 million plus $9 million of equity for a total of about $80 million.
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Post by clubman on Nov 17, 2016 10:04:22 GMT -5
so true. they cant give in. next thing you know every top guy ends up owning a piece and to be honest, the current owners arent stupid, its an investment for them. theyll just splash more money at him
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 9:58:43 GMT -5
Who was pulling big numbers before Conor though? If you look at the numbers, ppv buys piqued in 2010, and then started to fall off. The occasional GSP card drew fairly well. But don't you remember all the discussions in 2012 -2013 about how badly the ppvs were doing?
That is why Conor and Ronda became so valuable. They brought back the big pay per view.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 10:00:40 GMT -5
I guess the thing here is there were already new stars emerging when those others left.
Conor is really a one man show right now. Ronda is on her way out with maybe a fight or two left.
Lets say that Conor quit the UFC tomorrow. Who would bring in numbers even close to what Conor is doing? Nobody. If Conor isn't on a card, you can expect the cards to go back to the 600,000-ish PPV.
Conor is in a VERY unique situation with the UFC right now. He's the most popular fighter by a mile, two division champion, love him or hate him, he's got a personality like no other on the roster, he always has exciting fights, he has a full country behind him, ....and HE'S ONLY 28.
I have to believe that the UFC will bend over backwards for this guy, including giving him a slice of the pie.
Someone else will always come along. Even when Jordan left the NBA survived. There is always a Lebron waiting in the wings. I say fuck Conor. Even this is bad thinking though. It took the NBA 7 years to start to recover. Their ratings were terrible after Jordan left. You don't want 7 years of bad business. You want to keep business humming. www.medialifemagazine.com/how-the-nba-rebounded-after-jordan/
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 18, 2016 10:12:42 GMT -5
Conor isn't anything like Randy and Chuck though - he is easily 10x larger. He IS a sports superstar vs others being MMA stars. I have no idea what he will end up getting, but it's going to be a LOT. Jason's idea is good but it lacks the kind of guarantee I think Conor wants and I think he is talking about 100 million minimum type guaranteed money just to get to negotiate further. He wants to be guaranteed he is set for life or he is going to sit out. Maybe they give him 2.5% equity NOW and then structure the pay after that? We can all only guess but I get it's some type of massive guarantee and then something like jason suggested.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 11:36:07 GMT -5
It is a scary proposition for the UFC, to be honest. One bad loss (not like the Diaz loss) and the entire allure of Conor McGregor is severely neutered. He will still be a star, he'll still sell pay per views, but not like he does right now.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 18, 2016 13:00:43 GMT -5
It is a scary proposition for the UFC, to be honest. One bad loss (not like the Diaz loss) and the entire allure of Conor McGregor is severely neutered. He will still be a star, he'll still sell pay per views, but not like he does right now. Yes, if they shell out 100 million and then he gets double legged and pounded out by Woodley that would be a devastating loss. Hell, it could happen with Khabib and Conor get smother pummeled. Or, which you have to think the UFC realizes, they could pay him and set up a defense against Aldo and then hope for a fight against Ferguson and throw in a Diaz fight. That's probably 5-5.5 million PPV buys between 3 fights and if wins all of them, the possibility of a 2+ million PPV draw in December 2018. Also, Conor could pop for coke and get suspended. It's definitely risky throwing the kind of money he wants at him. Look at Pettis - went from being in the best p4p conversation to mid range contender over the course of a year. The shine comes off these stars pretty damn fast when they lose.
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Post by Premier on Nov 18, 2016 14:36:01 GMT -5
"I woont ten percent of de fookin coompany Dayna! I fookin demand 10 percent of 4.5 billion or else I'm moovin to fookin bellator with my two belts BECAUSE THE DOOBLE CHAMP DOOS WHATEVER DA FOOK HE WANTS!!! 10% equity is worth $420 million and potentially more if they continue to increase in value, there is noway in hell they would offer him close to that or even 5% which would be worth $210 million. Earning equity through his fights makes the most sense to me. He would be rewarded with equity through performance, similar to how executives at companies earn stock bonuses. The negotiation would be over how much equity he earns with each fight and ppv draws. The .05 would be my offer along with $5 million base pay, and the most ppv points anyone has, something like I said earlier of $10 per buy up to 1 million, $15 per buy between 1 and 2 million and $20 per buy over 2 million. With that deal, if he ever actually did the 4 million or so buys that may weather did against manny, he would make $5 million base plus $65 million plus $9 million of equity for a total of about $80 million. This
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Post by Premier on Nov 18, 2016 14:39:32 GMT -5
It is a scary proposition for the UFC, to be honest. One bad loss (not like the Diaz loss) and the entire allure of Conor McGregor is severely neutered. He will still be a star, he'll still sell pay per views, but not like he does right now. Yes, if they shell out 100 million and then he gets double legged and pounded out by Woodley that would be a devastating loss. Hell, it could happen with Khabib and Conor get smother pummeled. Or, which you have to think the UFC realizes, they could pay him and set up a defense against Aldo and then hope for a fight against Ferguson and throw in a Diaz fight. That's probably 5-5.5 million PPV buys between 3 fights and if wins all of them, the possibility of a 2+ million PPV draw in December 2018. Also, Conor could pop for coke and get suspended. It's definitely risky throwing the kind of money he wants at him. Look at Pettis - went from being in the best p4p conversation to mid range contender over the course of a year. The shine comes off these stars pretty damn fast when they lose. Combined with this and a couple similar things Duval said. Just not worth it IMO. But i guess i am looking at things from the companie's point of view. Lets not forget the can of worms this will open.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 18, 2016 15:28:17 GMT -5
And he got his equity.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Nov 18, 2016 15:32:18 GMT -5
deetz? not seeing anything about this...
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Post by Premier on Nov 18, 2016 15:43:50 GMT -5
Jackel has his sources
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Post by Angelo on Nov 18, 2016 15:50:09 GMT -5
Mark Wahlberg said he'll give Conor some of his equity. You can always google/bing Conor and Equity and look at news.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 15:53:18 GMT -5
I prefer duck duck go
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Post by peAk on Nov 18, 2016 16:08:59 GMT -5
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Nov 18, 2016 16:13:26 GMT -5
that's all talk. Get back to us when a substantial deal is actually made.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 18, 2016 18:14:23 GMT -5
Mark Wahlberg said he'll give Conor some of his equity. You can always google/bing Conor and Equity and look at news. You remain one of the most useless people on the entire planet. There is a legless, blind man sitting on a dirt road with a cup begging for change in Haiti that offers more than you do.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 18, 2016 18:51:46 GMT -5
Mark Wahlberg said he'll give Conor some of his equity. You can always google/bing Conor and Equity and look at news. You remain one of the most useless people on the entire planet. There is a legless, blind man sitting on a dirt road with a cup begging for change in Haiti that offers more than you do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 7:52:09 GMT -5
You HAD no argument to attack, douche. You realize what Marky Mark was in jest, right? Kind of like his roundabout way of saying they need to make something happen...
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Post by Lord Abortion on Nov 19, 2016 14:45:06 GMT -5
Come on, Come on...
Feel it, feel it...
Feel the vibration!
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Post by daywork on Nov 19, 2016 16:22:07 GMT -5
You guys better watch it with that stuff. Calling him Marky Mark, and singing his old songs. He doesn't like that. He may hunt you down and stab you guys with his roid needle.
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Post by Premier on Nov 19, 2016 16:50:31 GMT -5
You guys better watch it with that stuff. Calling him Marky Mark, and singing his old songs. He doesn't like that. He may hunt you down and stab you guys with his roid needle. He'll do it as his Micky Ward character too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 20:31:07 GMT -5
You HAD no argument to attack, douche. You realize what Marky Mark was in jest, right? Kind of like his roundabout way of saying they need to make something happen... Jackel is usually drunk at this time so this is hardly unusual. Expect more mindless drivel.
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