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Post by clubman on Nov 13, 2016 9:06:49 GMT -5
Oh well that was fun.
Based on his comments after the fight.
-having a kid and its freaking him out -doesn't want his kid to be raised in the celebrity life. -wont fight again unless the UFC gives him ownership cause he doesn't want to be doing this with a kid. wants to sit back and be paid as an owner.
my predictions
his ownership request is going to go nowhere, hes going to be stripped of both belts. Conor wont care this year, he needs the time off, will show up for a payday at Wrestlemania.
after a GSP type break, will want the big money again and will come back sometime in 2019
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 9:38:23 GMT -5
"Began". Not begun.
(Sigh)
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Post by peAk on Nov 13, 2016 11:09:58 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I think you could be right.
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Post by CaveBearOG on Nov 13, 2016 11:16:06 GMT -5
hes 28, hes not done. i agree with a break, but hes coming back.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 13, 2016 11:32:12 GMT -5
He is in a position to call his own shots and demand a % share of ownership in the company. Good for him and he's a very astute businessman for his short exposure into fame. He has the leverage right now, he has two belts and he has time on his side. How much is he worth? 50 million? 100 million? I don't know, but it's more than everyone else. Not sure what kind of share these celebrities have but Conor seems likely to get at least what they have.
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Post by daywork on Nov 13, 2016 11:32:49 GMT -5
So did he give up the belts? If he is going to take a break, the UFC should take away the belts.
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Post by ocmmafan on Nov 13, 2016 11:36:38 GMT -5
So did he give up the belts? If he is going to take a break, the UFC should take away the belts. He didn't. He said he is having a baby and taking a break, but made it seem he intends to keep both belts once he renegotiates his overall contract.
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Post by daywork on Nov 13, 2016 11:57:40 GMT -5
So did he give up the belts? If he is going to take a break, the UFC should take away the belts. He didn't. He said he is having a baby and taking a break, but made it seem he intends to keep both belts once he renegotiates his overall contract. I assume a break is about a year. He hasn't defended his FW title in about a year now. So no FW champ now for about 2 years? LW put on hold for a year? I really like Conor and all. But fuck him. If you don't want to do it anymore. Quit.
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Post by CaveBearOG on Nov 13, 2016 12:07:13 GMT -5
He didn't. He said he is having a baby and taking a break, but made it seem he intends to keep both belts once he renegotiates his overall contract. I assume a break is about a year. He hasn't defended his FW title in about a year now. So no FW champ now for about 2 years? LW put on hold for a year? I really like Conor and all. But fuck him. If you don't want to do it anymore. Quit. yep. let him give up the titles, take his break, and come back and win both titles for a second time. cements him as GOAT.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 12:31:10 GMT -5
The dust will settle.
He will get paid more.
He will be back in less than 6 months time.
Bank on it.
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Post by daywork on Nov 13, 2016 14:58:16 GMT -5
I'm starting to watch the post presser.
Woodley doesn't seem to eager to fight Waterboy again. Keeps saying that Conor shouldn't fight him, but then seems to be pushing a fight vs Conor.
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Post by Premier on Nov 13, 2016 17:58:27 GMT -5
I'm starting to watch the post presser. Woodley doesn't seem to eager to fight Waterboy again. Keeps saying that Conor shouldn't fight him, but then seems to be pushing a fight vs Conor. I hope not. Conor is already taking a break and when he comes back if will probably be to fight Woodley at 170. The 145 and 155 divisions ate in eternal limbo.
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Post by 3xhile on Nov 13, 2016 19:04:01 GMT -5
Well he isn't going to beat Kabib anyway so him taking a break is a smart move on his part. I'd like to see him beat Kabib but I just don't see him surviving the ground game. Kabib only needs one takedown and Conor will be mauled untill the round ends or untill the fight is being stopped.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 21:19:42 GMT -5
What he said he was going to take a break?
He shouldn't.
Now's the time we all want to see him fight even more.
He's so good he needs to fight the best of the best in any division he'll fight at, whether it's 145, 155 or 170.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 21:21:43 GMT -5
I'm starting to watch the post presser. Woodley doesn't seem to eager to fight Waterboy again. Keeps saying that Conor shouldn't fight him, but then seems to be pushing a fight vs Conor. I hope not. Conor is already taking a break and when he comes back if will probably be to fight Woodley at 170. The 145 and 155 divisions ate in eternal limbo. Woodley would just be WAY too much for him. Giving up that size and athleticism, combined with his wrestling and well rounded stand up, his only shot would be to 100% keep it standing and even then Woodley is dangerous. If Woodley gave Wonderboy trouble on the feet he'd DEFINITELY be able to give Connor trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 2:58:22 GMT -5
If his next fight is not mandated st FW, I am firebombing the UFC hq.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 7:27:37 GMT -5
I have no interest in seeing Conor at FW anymore. He should drop the belt and, as others have suggested, only be in super fights.
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Post by peAk on Nov 14, 2016 7:44:12 GMT -5
I'd eventually like to see him fight Pettis and rematch Aldo but it doesn't need to be at FW
Other than those two, and maybe Holloway, I could care a less about him at featherweight.
For me, the #1 match I would like to see would be Conor vs Cowboy
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Post by jasonkl on Nov 14, 2016 11:43:08 GMT -5
This guy loves all the attention and money, he only gets it by fighting. I doubt if he fights 3 times next year, but expect to see him fight twice in 2017. He is going to make well over $40 million this year, significantly more than any combat athlete, and more than any NBA, NFL, NHL, or MLB player for just salary not including endorsements.
His last 4 fights are in the top 5 for all time ppv grosses, and it seems like he can fight about 10 different people next and do between 1 to 2 million bus for each.
He has way more power than any fighter ever did, I expect him to renegotiate with the UFC again. I also don't think the equity stake is nearly as good as it sounds, they will probably offer him whatever the other celebrities have.
I would expect his new contract to be for $5 million base and like $10 per ppv buy up to 1 million buys and $15 per buy over 2 million. That would give him $30 million for 2 million buys, its not mayweather money but still really good.
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Post by Premier on Nov 14, 2016 13:45:49 GMT -5
The thing with Conor is that he thinks he is the UFC.
The UFC should pay him, but they should also remind them that he needs the UFC more than the UFC needs him
Chuck left. Randy left. Brock left. GSP left. Ronda left.
The UFC always recovered. There will always be someone waiting in the wings.
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Post by peAk on Nov 14, 2016 15:48:19 GMT -5
The thing with Conor is that he thinks he is the UFC. The UFC should pay him, but they should also remind them that he needs the UFC more than the UFC needs him Chuck left. Randy left. Brock left. GSP left. Ronda left. The UFC always recovered. There will always be someone waiting in the wings. I guess the thing here is there were already new stars emerging when those others left.
Conor is really a one man show right now. Ronda is on her way out with maybe a fight or two left.
Lets say that Conor quit the UFC tomorrow. Who would bring in numbers even close to what Conor is doing? Nobody. If Conor isn't on a card, you can expect the cards to go back to the 600,000-ish PPV.
Conor is in a VERY unique situation with the UFC right now. He's the most popular fighter by a mile, two division champion, love him or hate him, he's got a personality like no other on the roster, he always has exciting fights, he has a full country behind him, ....and HE'S ONLY 28.
I have to believe that the UFC will bend over backwards for this guy, including giving him a slice of the pie.
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Post by Tapout on Nov 14, 2016 16:05:22 GMT -5
I hope he does do all that the op suggested. They gave him all the power moving forward. Backed themselves into a corner with him.
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Post by jasonkl on Nov 14, 2016 16:38:34 GMT -5
The UFC needs Connor much more than they have ever needed another fighter, especially after the $4.2 billion they just paid and the huge amount of debt. They are paying like $130 million a year in just debt interest payments, that doesn't include any principal payments. This year alone Connor is going to headline about 5 million ppv buys in 3 cards along with around $35 million of live gate!! To put that in perspective, the UFC did a total of about 3.2 million of total ppm in 2014 buys, that was a horrible year, but 2013 was a very solid one and they did about 6.075 million total buys in 12 events, so Connor is just 1 million behind that entire year.
Connor knows a lot more details on these numbers than I do, he will bring everything to the table, make some demands and likely settle for a deal that fighters never thought they could get as recently as a year ago.
The UFC really may need him more than he needs them right now, there has never been a situation even close to that in the UFC before, the only thing close to similar would be how much Michael Jordan meant to the NBA. The difference though is that the nba didn't have $130 million per year of interest payments due on their loans. If it were still zuffa in charge than they wouldn't need connir's business quite as much because they were still profitable in 2013. Another 2013 would crush this new ownership
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 18:54:51 GMT -5
Conor is bigger than all the guys Premier mentioned combined. He's the first guy who is even approaching elite boxing status. He's not Pretty Boy, but he's the closest thing the UFC has. I can tell you I'm extremely casual about MMA now, but he's must watch. I won't miss any of his fights. He has that aura about him.
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Post by peAk on Nov 14, 2016 19:16:58 GMT -5
Conor is bigger than all the guys Premier mentioned combined. He's the first guy who is even approaching elite boxing status. He's not Pretty Boy, but he's the closest thing the UFC has. I can tell you I'm extremely casual about MMA now, but he's must watch. I won't miss any of his fights. He has that aura about him. yep.
Even FAQer was saying the other day how Conor got him excited about MMA again. Something like that.
My wife woke up from her nap just to watch him fight the other night. That's saying a lot.
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Post by daywork on Nov 14, 2016 21:25:58 GMT -5
The UFC needs Connor much more than they have ever needed another fighter, especially after the $4.2 billion they just paid and the huge amount of debt. They are paying like $130 million a year in just debt interest payments, that doesn't include any principal payments. This year alone Connor is going to headline about 5 million ppv buys in 3 cards along with around $35 million of live gate!! To put that in perspective, the UFC did a total of about 3.2 million of total ppm in 2014 buys, that was a horrible year, but 2013 was a very solid one and they did about 6.075 million total buys in 12 events, so Connor is just 1 million behind that entire year. Connor knows a lot more details on these numbers than I do, he will bring everything to the table, make some demands and likely settle for a deal that fighters never thought they could get as recently as a year ago. The UFC really may need him more than he needs them right now, there has never been a situation even close to that in the UFC before, the only thing close to similar would be how much Michael Jordan meant to the NBA. The difference though is that the nba didn't have $130 million per year of interest payments due on their loans. If it were still zuffa in charge than they wouldn't need connir's business quite as much because they were still profitable in 2013. Another 2013 would crush this new ownership All good points. And maybe the UFC should give him more and stock options. But NOT if he's just going to take a break. Put it in the contract that he must fight 3 or 4 times a year.If he backs out of a fight due to injury or missed weight. He gets less when he does fight.
He can't ask for everything and only fight once a year, and take breaks.
The only thing that bothered me about him saying he wanted to take a break was. He was just saying how he does all the work, he doesn't see any other fighter putting in the work. He said that a few times during the week. How he does all the work, he puts in the time. You say all that, then say you want to take a break?
If I was the UFC, yeah. I'll give him more money, but he's going to be fighting a lot. The more he fights, the more he makes and the more the UFC makes.
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Post by peAk on Nov 14, 2016 21:31:21 GMT -5
4 fight in less than one year, all being 5 rd fights, is extremely impressive.
It's unheard of...really.
Has any champion done this before?
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Post by daywork on Nov 14, 2016 21:52:42 GMT -5
4 fight in less than one year, all being 5 rd fights, is extremely impressive. It's unheard of...really. Has any champion done this before? No I don't think so. LOL Maybe 4 fights is abit much. But 3 can be done. I think Ronda did 3 fights in a year.
I'm just saying if they are going to pay him all this money. He needs to be out there fighting. One fight a year just isn't enough. The public would lose interest, At least I would. He did the 2 Nate fights back to back quickly.
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Post by clubman on Nov 14, 2016 22:49:01 GMT -5
Nevermind. That Nate trilogy is going to do gangbusters if Conor keeps smashing guys
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Post by Premier on Nov 15, 2016 9:21:51 GMT -5
Conor is bigger than all the guys Premier mentioned combined. He's the first guy who is even approaching elite boxing status. He's not Pretty Boy, but he's the closest thing the UFC has. I can tell you I'm extremely casual about MMA now, but he's must watch. I won't miss any of his fights. He has that aura about him. He sure is. But everyone on my list at some point was the biggest PPV sales star in the UFC. They all left and the UFC still survived. I'll give you that the new owners just spent 4.5B and are looking to make money back right away. But its a slippery slope when you start giving in on demands like that. No one athlete is bigger than the sport.
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