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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 0:09:40 GMT -5
What do you mean by that? It's the DEA. They earn their living from the war on drugs. So making more substances illegal is kind of like securing their jobs. Yup, sure is. They are fucking evil. I personally believe any and all drugs should be legal for 18 and over if you aren't driving. There's nothing I believe much more firmly than that. As one chemist who produced some psychedelics recently said "the idea that my brain and the inside of my mouth should have borders that are illegal to cross as if they were foreign countries is preposterous" or something along those lines. I couldn't think of a better way to say it.
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Post by Premier on Dec 18, 2016 0:26:42 GMT -5
Yeah, you read up on some of the history of why drugs became illegal and most of it starts with religious people. Then it turned into a business.
Police drug units. DEA Rehab centers Jails Weapon and police equipment manufacturers.
The "legal" industry that revolves around the war on drugs probably makes just as much money as the drugs sales.
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Post by Premier on Dec 18, 2016 0:36:25 GMT -5
Oh and I agree with you that all drugs should be legal. It comes down to personal choice. If you want to get fucked up on whatever, that should be your choice. I understand things get a bit more complicated with addicts that can't help themselves. Crackheads and people like that. But there's tons of alcoholics that have fucked up their lives just as bad as a Crackhead. And yet alcohol is perfectly legal.
Regulate it. Tax it. Implement an age limit and offer AA type programs for people that become addicts.
This reminds me of a bob Marley interview about weed. He said something like "It's just an herb. An herb that grows wild . Why make it illegal?"
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Post by Premier on Dec 18, 2016 0:42:53 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 10:57:11 GMT -5
Middle of week 2 under the lights. What I'm looking for here is an even spread of top cola sizes throughout the tent, and we're getting it. The buds on along the walls are about the same size as the buds in the middle. This means that Black Dog LED is not full of shit in the claims they make about their even light distribution, which is good. It means I didn't waste 3K on a light that wasn't going to perform as advertised. This is also good for Black Dog, as they will be getting an order for me for close to 80K if they continue to perform at this level, and all indications are that they will. The other thing that is "cool" here (pun intended) is the leaf temps. In HPS and other LED systems you'll find the temps of the leaves themselves rising to 90-100-120 degrees. This is not good for them. Leaf temps in our tent are holding steady at 80 degrees even. This means the plants are getting all the usable light they can handle, but not dealing with excess white (wasted) light in the spectrum that only serves to make the room and the plants hot- thus making them less efficient at growing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 11:18:12 GMT -5
So seriously dumb question but this thread is interesting and I am curious to know....
Do all growers use artificial light or do any use real outdoor sunlight? Does using artificial light, and having the ability to control the amount, always yield better results?
I realize you are in Maine and don't have the best weather but was still curious. Depends on your region really. If you live in Vale's area, you could be growing outdoors pretty much all year. Regardless of the quality that you generate indoors, outdoors will always be more cost effective in places where you could be growing outdoors all year. You won't get the same level of bud, but you can make up for the lower quality with sheer volume. So yes, indoor with a controlled environment will always yield better results if you know what you're doing. But it costs more to produce. A LOT more. Sunshine and rain are free after all, but artificial light and filtered water are not. The problem with Maine's climate is that you only have time for one crop from seed to full grown before the first frost hits. (It grows slower outside too. But again, you can't beat the operating expenses.) The other problem with outdoor is that you have to wait for mother nature to adjust your lights for you to induce flowering, whereas indoor plants can be manipulated to flower after a certain amount of time regardless of the weather. I've been to a bunch of weed trade shows in the last year and one thing I see a lot of are greenhouse manufacturers presenting themselves. I think that is a great idea for places that get more direct sunlight year round, but if we tried to do a greenhouse up here we'd have to supplement the sun's light with artificial light anyway just to be able to keep yields consistent in the winter. And the energy expense from heat loss through the glass in the winter would be significant. But in warmer climates, it's a viable way to go from a grow standpoint. But you are also growing a likely six or seven figure crop inside a glass structure, which is also risky in my opinion. You just don't see highly coordinated plans to breach the walls of tomato farms. So the other added benefit of indoor grows is the ability to make them vastly more secure than outdoor grows.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 12:22:53 GMT -5
Somwthing that Maine has going for it too is your outside temp.
Your electric bills from coOling...I'd likely bust a nut over the difference from here. Especially now with those leds.
A big part of my bill has always been keeping the rooms cool. Where a day like today (mid 50s) is great, days like a couple weeks ago when it hit the mid 90s again...not so great for indoor.
There was a time when I was very young that i could onlu pull off personal indoor crops in the winter, because I couldn't yet afford the proper ac. I was doing closet set ups and there was just no where to mount an ac. This was also back when I would climb and take the local parKS HPS and rewire them. I believe they were 600 watts.
Hey, I was young and broke lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 12:23:35 GMT -5
And that looks fucking great sgm.
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Post by Premier on Dec 18, 2016 18:29:01 GMT -5
Middle of week 2 under the lights. What I'm looking for here is an even spread of top cola sizes throughout the tent, and we're getting it. The buds on along the walls are about the same size as the buds in the middle. This means that Black Dog LED is not full of shit in the claims they make about their even light distribution, which is good. It means I didn't waste 3K on a light that wasn't going to perform as advertised. This is also good for Black Dog, as they will be getting an order for me for close to 80K if they continue to perform at this level, and all indications are that they will. The other thing that is "cool" here (pun intended) is the leaf temps. In HPS and other LED systems you'll find the temps of the leaves themselves rising to 90-100-120 degrees. This is not good for them. Leaf temps in our tent are holding steady at 80 degrees even. This means the plants are getting all the usable light they can handle, but not dealing with excess white (wasted) light in the spectrum that only serves to make the room and the plants hot- thus making them less efficient at growing. So those plants are only two weeks old? From seed to that size?
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Post by ToNoAvail on Dec 18, 2016 18:42:57 GMT -5
2 weeks into flower, when the light was reduced to 12 hours a day. 12 hours of light or less is what triggers cannabis into flipping from a vegetative state to producing buds. Indoors, you choose when to alter the light cycle. Outdoors you rely on the shortening of daylight hours to induce flowering.
Most commonly, you let the plant stay in its veg state for 30ish days, then cut back it's hours to 12 a day. Longer veg time, the bigger the plants. But plants nearly double or even triple in size during flowering so if your in doors you flip to 12 hours light early so them bitches don't outgrow your space.
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Post by Premier on Dec 18, 2016 23:26:23 GMT -5
Not my problem beginning next year. After two back surgeries and a vertebrate fuse, I'm guaranteed to qualify for medical.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 9:37:59 GMT -5
Yeah Premier, my mom was telling me last night that she's going to get her medical card in Florida. I laughed at her and asked her what her condition was, and she said "I have anxiety, mostly because of you."
So she's going to be pretty blazed up for the rest of her life, which I find to be very funny.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 10:53:50 GMT -5
Hypothetically, What nutrients do you guys use? I did quite a bit of research and settled on Dyna-gro; Foliage pro, Pro-tetk, Bloom plus I also add in GH floranectar for the sugars. I've also read some side by side journals with Dyna-gro vs other nutrient lines, specifically advanced nutrients, where dyna holds it's own if not outperforms. Seems to be a complete line with the micro and macro. I'd be open to advice on other nutrients though. There's so many out there, some higher prices and others where it seems as they split everything into as many bottles as possible. I don't know what's hype and what isn't. I've had great results with dyna-gro though. I'm probably gonna give coco coir try. From what I understand, plants grow faster in hydro because the nutrients+oxygen are more readily available, the roots don't have to dig through the soil to find them, allowing that energy to go toward growth instead. In coco you get some of those benefits because it's lighter than soil, allowing more oxygen, and also retains water that's holdng the nutrients better(than soil)from what I understand. Right now we're just using some standard stuff. I'm not even sure what it all is, because it's my head grower's medical grow that all the testing is being done on. But I did find a company that we're going to be testing out. They're a Canadian company called SuperNatural. They've been around forever. I remember seeing ads for their stuff in High Times when I was in college. They've done some pretty cool stuff on the innovation side. They use a soil-less mix that comes from some super rich earth up in the northwest of Canada. It's a unique spot, because it has volcanic rock that was ground up by glaciers during the ice age. The thing that makes it unique is that where they dig was once ocean, so there's 10,000 year old sea shells in the mix. These shells do something really cool. They make it so SN can guarantee that you will get zero insect life from their mix. They mix these shells in with their volcanic stuff, and what the shells do is two fold. They add nutrients to the mix but during the mixing process they slice up any insect eggs that are present. And that's cool and all. BUT. Here's the real selling point. Their mix can be reused over and over again and has a life expectancy of 10 YEARS. When you cut the plants at harvest, you just pull the root ball right out. You toss the root ball into a drying room. 10 days later you take the dried root balls and shake them out. Everything that comes out can be reused. The roots themselves can then be composted, and bam- you're generating your own extra soil for outdoor grows in the summer. Again, a more expensive up front cost that pays for itself over a relatively small time frame and brings long term profit margins up. They have an interesting set up. They call it terraponics. We're going to be testing out their air tables (which are different than standard ebb and flow tables) and their mix after the current testing with the lights is finished at the end of January.
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Post by Premier on Dec 19, 2016 13:41:42 GMT -5
Yeah Premier, my mom was telling me last night that she's going to get her medical card in Florida. I laughed at her and asked her what her condition was, and she said "I have anxiety, mostly because of you." So she's going to be pretty blazed up for the rest of her life, which I find to be very funny. That's awesome. Maybe i can hang out with her. Haha. Good old Tony C, driving his mother to become a pot head.
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Post by Premier on Dec 19, 2016 13:56:27 GMT -5
The florida law is for debilitating conditions like cancer and aids among others ..BUT its up to the doctor's discretion to define what that debilitating Condition is. It could be anything really as long as the doctor agrees.
So there is our loophole.
Pretty soon you are going to see a bunch of doctors handing out notes just to make money. It will be similar to the numerous "anti aging" clinics I see around here. You go in, fill out a questionnaire, and tell them you can't get a hard on, that you feel sluggish and weak. The doctor comes in, check your vitals and you walk out with a bag full of steroids. HGH, Testosterone, anything you want. I joined a LA Fitness last year. It's fucking amazing how mane old dudes are jacked up.
I was in Vegas not long ago and saw a shit load of ads in magazines and on the roads that advertise Medical Marihuana ID cards. Like come and get it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 11:36:33 GMT -5
The ladies are coming along quite nicely. Going to have some new pictures soon. They're about halfway done, and looking like something I want to set on fire.
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Post by Premier on Dec 28, 2016 13:11:56 GMT -5
The ladies are coming along quite nicely. Going to have some new pictures soon. They're about halfway done, and looking like something I want to set on fire. LOL. I always found that peculiar about weed. You see this nice bud, the most beautiful one you have ever seen in your life...........and your first instinct is to SET IT ON FIRE!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 13:53:19 GMT -5
It's true. You only really love it after you've burned it to cinders.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 18:32:58 GMT -5
Week 4. This is the White Widow Big Bud. That bud should almost double in size over the next month or so. All of them. Looking good so far. Really liking how the plants on the edges are doing just as well as the plants in the middle. A little more than 4 weeks to go before they are ready for harvest.
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Post by Premier on Dec 28, 2016 18:37:18 GMT -5
After harvest, how long is drying time?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 8:46:35 GMT -5
Right now it takes about 3-4 days in his cedar box. But when we scale up to the big operation, drying will occur overnight. We ran a drying test before we did the light stuff. Our drying system works fast. Combination of infrared heat and dehumidifiers coupled with cedar paneling.
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Post by Premier on Dec 29, 2016 9:26:54 GMT -5
Shit......even drying has gone high tech.
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Post by hammerfaust on Dec 29, 2016 9:48:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 9:53:44 GMT -5
Nope. People getting CHS are the same people who would kill themselves with heroin in a week. You gotta smoke a LOT of weed to have that even be a possibility. It's also a tremendously rare condition that is most likely a result of people's endocannabinoid system being overloaded.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 9:55:15 GMT -5
Shit......even drying has gone high tech. It's all about speed and turnaround. Faster you can get to market, the faster people can buy it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 11:56:17 GMT -5
You keep the flavor and smell with an overnight dry? If so I'm very impressed. Never seen that pulled off before. With a controlled environment I can naIL it in 4 or 5 days. But I'm big on maintaining full flavor and smell. The guys on here that have tried my product, I'm pretty sure they can all vouche for that.
Never heard of CHS and I've been smoking and growing for almost 25 years. I've never gotten anything like that or heard of anyone getting anything like that. And I know some serious potheads.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 12:07:24 GMT -5
The drying system is pretty cool. It basically uses nothing but atmospheric equilibrium to dry the plants out. What happens is that the heat helps force water out, and the dehumidifier takes over and plays the role of keeping that moisture from remaining in the container, thus you have Sahara like conditions. It didn't impact potency, smell or flavor in any detectable way. That might not be the case when we scale up to a bigger system, and have to use larger equipment. But overall, I think the process probably happens the same as long as your heat/humidity ratios are on point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 12:28:59 GMT -5
Drying is the biggest pain in the ass for me, especially outdoor. The volume...
Unless you have racks or a room, it's a pain to convert a room right quick. The cleanup can be pretty intensive if not prepped right. Last year I didn't do too much outdoor...but I was wishing I had invested in a trimming machine by the time I was only a 1/4 of the way through.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 11:04:04 GMT -5
We're probably getting the T4 Twister conveyor system for first harvest. It can trim wet or dry buds. Big time saver, as the trimmed buds dry faster in the drying container.
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Post by Angelo on Dec 30, 2016 16:07:29 GMT -5
Nowadays you could probably charge a premium to the hipsters for hand trimmed.
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