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Post by Premier on Nov 7, 2016 18:23:19 GMT -5
Voters in five states will decide Tuesday whether marijuana should be legal for recreational use.
Marijuana legalization bills are on the ballot in California, Massachusetts, Maine, Arizona and Nevada. In three other states, voters will also decide whether it should be used for medical reasons.
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Florida is one of the medical states deciding tomorrow. Not sure about the other two. Im doing my part tomorrow. Im going with the Trump/Marihuana ticket. I am getting back surgery next week to fix a disk and will probably need surgery later to fix another one. My problem is serious so i am hoping to become one of them medical patients next year.
If recreational passes tomorrow in MA and Maine that will be nuts. You can get recreational in both coast plus Colorado. The whole country is turning little by little.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 7, 2016 18:24:48 GMT -5
Voters in five states will decide Tuesday whether marijuana should be legal for recreational use. Marijuana legalization bills are on the ballot in California, Massachusetts, Maine, Arizona and Nevada. In three other states, voters will also decide whether it should be used for medical reasons. ----- Florida is one of the medical states deciding tomorrow. Not sure about the other two. Im doing my part tomorrow. Im going with the Trump/Marihuana ticket. I am getting back surgery next week to fix a disk and will probably need surgery later to fix another one. My problem is serious so i am hoping to become one of them medical patients next year. If recreational passes tomorrow in MA and Maine that will be nuts. You can get recreational in both coast plus Colorado. The whole country is turning little by little. The downtime after surgery is longer, but if you can get the titanium replacement disc surgery, it'll be like you a kid again.
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Post by Premier on Nov 7, 2016 18:27:50 GMT -5
Weed tourism will be crazy next year if recreational passes. You can go to MA and get your weed and history fix, plus catch a Red socks or Patriots game.
You can go to Maine and Colorado and do a bunch of winter sports high as fuck.
Visit all the attractions in California, also high as fuck.
Get your weed and gambling fix in Nevada and go to the grand canyon in az tripping balls.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 20:20:31 GMT -5
The grand canyon while high actually sounds fun. Not that I'd need it to be legal to do that, but still.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 7, 2016 20:23:23 GMT -5
The grand canyon while high actually sounds fun. Not that I'd need it to be legal to do that, but still. I heard from joe rogan that a pharma company is campaigning hard to not make weed legal in Arizona.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 21:06:02 GMT -5
Ill be voting no on ours, not a fan of the way it's written.
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Post by Premier on Nov 7, 2016 21:27:00 GMT -5
Ill be voting no on ours, not a fan of the way it's written. I saw you say that the other day. I was suprised, but then read some of your reasons and it made sense. Is that the general sentiment, or you think it will pass?
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Post by boboplata on Nov 7, 2016 21:29:52 GMT -5
Ill be voting no on ours, not a fan of the way it's written. I saw you say that the other day. I was suprised, but then read some of your reasons and it made sense. Is that the general sentiment, or you think it will pass? I haven't read the bill but I assume it's probably similar to Ohio's.
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Post by Baph on Nov 7, 2016 21:49:30 GMT -5
The good thing is this is exactly how alcohol prohibition ended. It was something like a decade of slowly seeing states repeal the ban, first one or two, then up to nine, and eventually like 13 or so and the feds just backed off at that point as it was effectively unenforceable. We're probably a couple years away from seeing the same thing with marijuana.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 23:36:57 GMT -5
Ill be voting no on ours, not a fan of the way it's written. I saw you say that the other day. I was suprised, but then read some of your reasons and it made sense. Is that the general sentiment, or you think it will pass? I thought it would pass the last time around. I definitely think it's going to pass this time. You never know though...
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Post by Premier on Nov 9, 2016 13:50:08 GMT -5
YES is leading in Maine (By a percent) with 96% of the votes counted. Last update came out at 1:45PM EST. 4 minutes ago.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 9, 2016 13:55:33 GMT -5
There probably gonna be some harsh regs on it in Maine if YES passes as written.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 16:08:06 GMT -5
YES is leading in Maine (By a percent) with 96% of the votes counted. Last update came out at 1:45PM EST. 4 minutes ago. The lead is holding pretty steady at 4K right now. Only places left to report are small, and not likely to have enough numbers to change the outcome at this point. The race has basically been called. Just the douches on No On 1 refusing to concede until every last vote is in, and that's cool.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 16:12:38 GMT -5
There probably gonna be some harsh regs on it in Maine if YES passes as written. I've read the bill forwards and backwards 30 times. There's nothing to change beyond one issue, which would have been fixed when it got to the legislature's rules committee anyway. The sales tax the state can implement: Capped at 10%. That won't impact me at all. I won't have to pay it. The extra expenses that will be incurred by legal growers are required testing, and various things to keep the product clean. But as far as extra regulation beyond what is in the bill? Nope.
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Post by Premier on Nov 9, 2016 16:17:36 GMT -5
Good deal.
See you in Maine next year Tony.
DW, maybe we can meet up there.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 9, 2016 19:37:48 GMT -5
There probably gonna be some harsh regs on it in Maine if YES passes as written. I've read the bill forwards and backwards 30 times. There's nothing to change beyond one issue, which would have been fixed when it got to the legislature's rules committee anyway. The sales tax the state can implement: Capped at 10%. That won't impact me at all. I won't have to pay it. The extra expenses that will be incurred by legal growers are required testing, and various things to keep the product clean. But as far as extra regulation beyond what is in the bill? Nope. Well it depends on how the legislators handle it. The text as written allows for.... allows for a legal limit of sub 1% THC extremely limited license approval for sale/growth limited number of people who can consume Requires municipal approval (This right here is why I love Missouri's legal structure, if it legal state wide you can't make it illegal on the local level) If the feds raid you (which by the way they've done at record number in legal states even under Obama), you can no longer sell/consume in the state of Maine Allows the new control board to pocket veto licenses Allows limits on amount of retail stores Allows state to reduce the amount you are permitted to grow if somehow you lose half your crop Sales tax on all marijuana transaction, that also means the stores buying from the farmers have to pay a sales tax on it Their restrictions on production of edibles is going to really create another market of people who produce that for others rather than people producing to sell to people, and that also has sales tax when going to stores. They restrict personal possession of marijuana to 2 1/2 ounces but allow them to grow potentially much more so you can screw yourself over.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 20:45:33 GMT -5
Well it depends on how the legislators handle it. The text as written allows for.... Wrong. Totally not true. There is not one point in the bill that allows the state to set a maximum amount of THC. Concentrates can and will be up to 99%. Wrong. Totally not true. The only thing that prohibits one from getting licensed is a previous felony drug charge within the last 10 years. Everyone else who applies will be granted a license until the 800,000 sq ft. of licensed flowering canopy is used up. 40% of all licenses will be granted to those growing less than 3000sq ft. I will be licensed for 30,000 sq. ft, the maximum allowed by the state. Only if you consider that you have to be 21 to legally buy, posses, or consume. It will not affect the medical marijuana side, so underage patients (who are always given non-psychoactive medicine) will still be able to get their meds. Wrong. Municipal approval is only required for Retail locations. They cannot stop commercial grows, which we will be. Furthermore, if a town sets a limit of zero on retail locations, commercial grows can open their own retail location connected to the building the grow occurs in, and have it not count against the town's limit of retail locations. The feds have not raided one single legal grow in Colorado. Every single federal raid has been on grows that are not licensed and are not paying taxes. Furthermore. The DEA has had their funding for marijuana raids reduced to zero, by Congress. They lack the funding for it, and the last time the feds raided a legal grow in California, the owner of the grow sued them, and won in California Superior Court. The DEA had to pay him several million dollars, and were admonished for operating outside of their budget. They will not be conducting any more raids on legal grows, because the legal precedent has been laid down against them. You're only getting vetoed if you are trying to commit fraud via getting a license that you are not permitted to get due to a previous felony drug charge. So yes, they'll keep your registration money. Big whoop. Which is important to prevent pot retail stores from opening up everywhere. However, the cap is very high. There will be almost 200 retail licenses granted in the first year alone. Which benefits the other growers, since there is an 800,000 sq ft. cap on the state's legal crop. Inept morons growing with the intent of destroying their crop to drive supply down and prices up are not going to be able to play that game here. Nope. Not accurate at all. Listen dude. The woman who wrote this bill grew up on my street. We had the same babysitter after school. She's now the speaker of the house, and is still a friend of mine. She wrote the bill. I asked her straight up if my commercial grow will be subject to the Maine sales tax. She said, "No. The sales tax is only applied to the point of sale and is charged to the consumer. There is no tax from commercial grow to retailers." So you're wrong again here. No, it doesn't. Wholesalers are still wholesalers and are not subject to sales tax in Maine. I will be able to sell bulk bud/concentrate/tinctures to bakers who are licensed to add doses to food, and they pay no tax on the purchase from me. The tax gets paid by the consumer at the point of sale. The whole purpose of keeping the tax burden low is to succeed where Colorado failed, and start eliminating the black market. The criminal amount in Maine right now is already 2.5 oz. Anything over that is jail time. Anything under it is a fine. You can have in your own home up to six mature plants. The buds on the plants do not count against your 2.5 oz. It is only after they are cultivated and separated from the plant that they would count as weight, and that is still just individual, personal, in home use. I will be able to have hundreds of pounds in my vehicle and face zero penalty. You aren't going to be getting anywhere with me on this dude. I know it back and forth, and have been studying it for three years. Every single issue you've raised here is basically a non issue that like I said, leads to zero extra regulation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 20:54:14 GMT -5
Hey Tony... Let me know if you want to branch out to Virginia when we legalize it in a couple of years, it will happen.
Also, I may take a trip that way when you are operational to purchase some product...
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Post by Angelo on Nov 9, 2016 20:59:56 GMT -5
Did you not read it? Let me link you the legislation www.regulatemaine.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/initiative-text.pdfFirst off, since everything falls under Title 5, chapter 375, subchapter 2A, there is a ton of discretion allowed. Anyways from there... §2444 - 2 - E: Limits on the concentration of THC and other cannabinoids per serving in any retail marijuana productAllows the agency to adopt ANY level of THC limit they want. All license approval requires municipal approval too with no limits to denial rights. The limits only exist on state level. If you commit a crime that allows them to deny a license to sell/grow, they can deny your right to hold a product too thereby basically eliminating your right to consume. They have raided (though mostly out of secondary reasons like to annoy traffickers and the like). Granted that isn't a big issue but if someone has a friend on the federal level and they decide to say fuck you, you can't grow/sell anymore. Basically admitted they can pocket veto. So that right there is a huge form of control, the fact they aren't required to approve The retail cap could be a grand total of ZERO. It is up to the municipalities. All growers are considered retail under the legislation (hence the double-triple-quadruple sales tax implementation), and limited by municipalities Because Maine differs between retail / wholesale, and the legislation puts all marijuana under retail, the sales tax is applied everywhere the way it is written. It is the point of sale, but since they are writing it as retail, all exchanges of marijuana are considered points of sale. The edible restrictions are mostly on the production side, most people aren't going to be able to legally produce edibles in their normal selling locations because of equipment and other health regulations hence causing a separate market. And yes, on the final point as long as you leave on the plant you are fine, but that is such a bullshit rule in the first place
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 21:10:58 GMT -5
Hey Tony... Let me know if you want to branch out to Virginia when we legalize it in a couple of years, it will happen. Also, I may take a trip that way when you are operational to purchase some product... I'm going to be watching the national market once we get everything moving, and who knows? How funny would it be if we started a national weed grow company via dudes from this board?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 21:16:59 GMT -5
Hey Tony... Let me know if you want to branch out to Virginia when we legalize it in a couple of years, it will happen. Also, I may take a trip that way when you are operational to purchase some product... I'm going to be watching the national market once we get everything moving, and who knows? How funny would it be if we started a national weed grow company via dudes from this board? Ummm.... Epic.
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Post by boboplata on Nov 9, 2016 21:21:26 GMT -5
Can't use the letters OD for marketing. Even if it's mythical.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 21:40:19 GMT -5
All that section does is give the legislature the ability to modify the bill, so it can be ratified effectively.
It's like you don't even understand what you're reading. So just for shits and gigs, I called Alysia Melnick. Every answer you read below outside of parenthesis is straight from the author of the bill:
There is nothing in there regarding limiting commercial grows. A town can establish a moratorium prior to the law being implemented to explore whether they want to make their own exclusions. (My town will be doing no such thing without being sued by millionaires. There are already two medical grows within .5 miles of our building, and I've already gotten unofficial approval from the selectmen, because they all do business with my partner already.)
There is no chance that THC limits will be placed on concentrates and smoked products. None. The authors of the bill will be present in congress as it goes through, because the authors of the bill are all congressmen. The limitation is with regards to edibles with the intent of establishing uniform dosing guidelines. (I don't live in the oppressive mid-west like you do bud.)
Federal raids on legal grows ceased after Federal Judge Charles Breyer ruled against the DEA and said they were acting beyond their mandate. There will be no federal raids on legal Maine grows because of this ruling. (So anyone who wants to fuck with me is gonna have to have that judge's ruling overturned.)
They are required to approve all licenses applied for unless the applicant has a felony drug charge within the last 10 years. Non approval of a license application requires a written explanation and also a hearing if the denied applicant demands one. (My head grower is the first license holder on 3000 sq ft. Every 3K after that is mine. He's also a medical provider, and will be at the front of the line for licensing because of his good standing in the medical mj program)
The retail cap is 200 stores statewide. Several municipalities have already said they are open to the idea of grows and retail stores, including all of the largest towns and cities in the state. (So, no the cap will not be set at zero. I'm getting real close to the part where I tell you to STFU.)
No, not all growers are considered retailers. Commercial growers are considered wholesalers who will not be paying sales tax. (So now go ahead and tell the Speaker Of The House in Maine, who wrote the bill you're trying to quote and act like a lawyer with, that she's wrong.)
STFU Jackel. Seriously. You don't know WTF you're talking about.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 9, 2016 21:46:22 GMT -5
The big issue though is that the legislation gives the SLA and municipalities too much discretionary power that it doesn't matter what the spirit of the legislation is.
The license approvals are not required under the legislation, they flat out allow pocket vetoes.
Also nowhere in the legislation do they refer to the growers as wholesalers, only retailers which you know damn well the state is gonna jump on for the extra tax revenue. The only reference in the legislation for wholesale is on the purchasing side of retailers which can be applied to when it is opened federally and they import the shit from a wholesale grower. The legislation refers to all growers as retailers, just read it, it in black and white.
You need to re-read it. Hopefully the municipalities are not bitches and the SLA is reasonable, but there is no guarantee of that in the legislation which is a bunch of fucking bullshit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 22:17:53 GMT -5
Jackel trying to tell Tony, who had researched the dogshit out of it before investing...and has seen and felt the movements growth from living it... fucking golden.
Jackel...when Tony gets his shit running maybe he will kick you down a double strength edible...you really need to get high as fuck and do some evaluation
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Post by Baph on Nov 9, 2016 22:30:23 GMT -5
Hey Tony... Let me know if you want to branch out to Virginia when we legalize it in a couple of years, it will happen. Also, I may take a trip that way when you are operational to purchase some product... I'm going to be watching the national market once we get everything moving, and who knows? How funny would it be if we started a national weed grow company via dudes from this board? Oklahoma (legit shocked) made marijuana a low grade misdemeanor and Arkansas legalized medical. It's a matter of time at this point. Dominoes falling left and right. I like the move you're making.
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Post by javier on Nov 9, 2016 22:34:41 GMT -5
Hey Tony... Let me know if you want to branch out to Virginia when we legalize it in a couple of years, it will happen. Also, I may take a trip that way when you are operational to purchase some product... I'm going to be watching the national market once we get everything moving, and who knows? How funny would it be if we started a national weed grow company via dudes from this board? I'll be doing my part here in California once the Department of Agriculture begins to issue the cultivation licenses.
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Post by daywork on Nov 9, 2016 22:44:06 GMT -5
Yeah Arkansas legalized medical. But the medical that did pass is very limited
Alzheimer’s Disease Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS) Arthritis[8] Cancer Crohn’s Disease Fibromyalgia Glaucoma Hepatitis C Positive Status for HIV and/or AIDS Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) Tourette’s Syndrome
They will only allow up to 40 dispensaries, and a county can refuse to allow a dispensary.
But I guess its a start. Once Tony is up and running I really do want to visit him and learn about the industry.
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Post by Angelo on Nov 9, 2016 23:58:38 GMT -5
Jackel trying to tell Tony, who had researched the dogshit out of it before investing...and has seen and felt the movements growth from living it... fucking golden. Jackel...when Tony gets his shit running maybe he will kick you down a double strength edible...you really need to get high as fuck and do some evaluation I think Tony got overexcited and assumed the best instead of reading the legislation and realized the loopholes in favour of the government put in. Go spend about 20-30 minutes reading the link to the legislation I posted. Yeah Arkansas legalized medical. But the medical that did pass is very limited Alzheimer’s Disease Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS) Arthritis[8] Cancer Crohn’s Disease Fibromyalgia Glaucoma Hepatitis C Positive Status for HIV and/or AIDS Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) Tourette’s Syndrome They will only allow up to 40 dispensaries, and a county can refuse to allow a dispensary. But I guess its a start. Once Tony is up and running I really do want to visit him and learn about the industry. Florida did a simliar thing but they also allowed doctors discretion for illnesses with similar symptoms.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 0:41:11 GMT -5
Imo- the biggest hurdle was last night's election. Seems like the guy has done his homework.
That bring said, I am assuming all of this from across the country.
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