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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 14:18:55 GMT -5
I'm not defending Clinton. I know it's hard for you to understand this, but attacking Trump is not an endorsement of her. I don't care if she personally carried out a hit on a baby. It has nothing to do with what she has done. He can't tell the attorney general who to prosecute. That's it. And if you think about it for more than half a fucking second you'd agree that the idea of a president ordering the DOJ to prosecute a political opponent is straight out of the Kremlin. That's not just my opinion, but that of former attorneys general and constitutional lawyers. Here's an example: fortune.com/2016/10/10/donald-trump-special-prosecutor-hillary-clinton/You might want to not make the same mistake those morons in the Fortune article made. A President absolutely can direct an investigation. The whole point of the special prosecutor is to remove the obvious conflict of interest that would exist if Trump had Chris Christie himself undertake the investigation. Prosecuting a former secretary of state, senator, and presidential candidate would most certainly be an "extraordinary circumstance". This is a woman who's avoided actual prosecution at every turn. And furthermore, he's not ordering her detained and tossed into Gitmo. He would simply have an investigation opened. The mere fact that Trump has made it this far demonstrates that such an investigation is something millions and millions of Americans want to see happen. I'm sure the media will say his success is because of racism. But that's bullshit, and they know it, and you should too. Also, he's ordering an investigation to "look into her situation". No mention of prosecution. Try and stay on point with the facts and maybe try not going down the road where you change what he said (investigation) into what you wished he meant (endorsing a pitchfork wielding mob to drag her through the streets Mussolini style.)
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Post by Premier on Oct 11, 2016 14:38:57 GMT -5
Nothing about Ken Bone yet?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 14:55:39 GMT -5
No more U.S. Law lectures from the Canadian?
Pity. It was amusing.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 11, 2016 15:33:41 GMT -5
I'm not defending Clinton. I know it's hard for you to understand this, but attacking Trump is not an endorsement of her. I don't care if she personally carried out a hit on a baby. It has nothing to do with what she has done. He can't tell the attorney general who to prosecute. That's it. And if you think about it for more than half a fucking second you'd agree that the idea of a president ordering the DOJ to prosecute a political opponent is straight out of the Kremlin. That's not just my opinion, but that of former attorneys general and constitutional lawyers. Here's an example: fortune.com/2016/10/10/donald-trump-special-prosecutor-hillary-clinton/There is a difference between investigate and prosecute. Given the situation with the deleting of her emails, and the entire amount of known actual evidence and not speculation (destroyed phones and tablets with hammers, missing laptops, her attorneys physically admitting to destroying evidence, bleach bit used, much of this done AFTER the subpeona, and 5 of her staff receiving immunity) do you think it would be unreasonable for any future President to appoint a special counsel to investigate this matter? Take Trump out of the equation - has justice been served and is this issue closed for you?
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 11, 2016 15:34:16 GMT -5
No more U.S. Law lectures from the Canadian? Pity. It was amusing. i believe he has been living in the US for many years now.
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Post by matt on Oct 11, 2016 16:29:39 GMT -5
Let's keep things in context here.
Trump's quote wasn't in context of being the president, it was in response to hilary's claim that she'd "hate to see what would happen if Donald was in charge of the law." In which Donald said, "you'd be in prison."
He wasn't speaking as if he was acting as president, yet in charge of the law as hilary had suggested. And he never said he'd throw her in prison without due process.
Typical that the left spins quotes out of context to imply a completely different situation and meaning. That's par for the course during this election, I suppose .
And let's say Donald was speaking as if he was president, and he'd said he'd officialy start a criminal proceeding against hilary and her co-conspirators? So what, I say.
Obama can give machine guns to the mexican drug cartels but president trump can't begin a criminal proceeding against a former presidential candidate who had all checks and balances corrupted in order to gain power and exploit said gained power? How ironic .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 18:49:53 GMT -5
No more U.S. Law lectures from the Canadian? Pity. It was amusing. i believe he has been living in the US for many years now. You mean "she."
And you're a misogynist monster for referring to her incorrectly.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 11, 2016 18:52:00 GMT -5
i believe he has been living in the US for many years now. You mean "she."
And you're a misogynist monster for referring to her incorrectly.
Wait, RNMR transitioned? How the fuck did I miss that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 19:06:10 GMT -5
You mean "she."
And you're a misogynist monster for referring to her incorrectly.
Wait, RNMR transitioned? How the fuck did I miss that. From what my Canadian sources in Windsor tell me, Math is Hard (heh, heh) demanded that rnmr have the operation, or else he'd leave him....uh, her.
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Post by Baph on Oct 11, 2016 23:39:01 GMT -5
Let's keep things in context here. Trump's quote wasn't in context of being the president, it was in response to hilary's claim that she'd "hate to see what would happen if Donald was in charge of the law." In which Donald said, "you'd be in prison."He wasn't speaking as if he was acting as president, yet in charge of the law as hilary had suggested. And he never said he'd throw her in prison without due process. Typical that the left spins quotes out of context to imply a completely different situation and meaning.
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Post by Baph on Oct 11, 2016 23:47:25 GMT -5
Remember when people on the left were the ones defending polarizing speech, tolerance of all viewpoints, intellectual high roads, transparency, not drone raping whole continents and wire tapping the fucking planet? Yeah . . . those were the days, eh? Now it's pom-pom squad for the most hawkish, secretive, pathological liar in modern political history. To beat an old cliche to death . . . you look up political corruption in the dictionary and . . . you know. There's this bitch.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 5:40:30 GMT -5
I believe both of these people are horrible human beings. I cannot believe this is who we get to choose from. After this last debate I realized that I have to vote for Clinton because the alternative is unfathomable to me personally. I feel gross and dirty. I can't defend this woman in anyway other than to say at least she can string coherent sentences together and doesn't sound like a bumbling oaf.
I am grossed out by what Trump said in that video. Skeevy guy that he is. However I have real problems when what was considered to be a private conversation becomes public fodder, no matter how disgusting it is.
If some of the shit me and my husband talk about was recorded and put out there, I would lose my job for sure because I work for a super conservative company.
So regardless of what I think of him personally, it bugs me how it all came about.
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Post by matt on Oct 12, 2016 9:24:56 GMT -5
(In regards to Melinda...I botched the quote process. sorry.) I tell this to everyone I talk to. I'm NOT voting based on personal like or dislike for the candidates... However, I WILL be voting based on who's political policies will positively benefit me and my family first. And that is Donald Trump. I ask myself how an open border policy in the US positively benefits me. I dont see it. I ask myslef if a 65 percent estate tax is fair. It's not fair, at all. Clinton's proposed idea. And then i will ask you this, as you are a woman and this question is best suited to be answered by you...you have proclaimed disgust for the horrible things Donald has SAID, so I ask you why you don't have that same disgust for hilary and bill since they DO horrible things. Bill Clinton would use his position of power to rape women. And hilary would lead smear campaigns against bill's victims. Isn't that worse than anything Donald has SAID?
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Post by PatSox on Oct 12, 2016 9:32:51 GMT -5
I believe both of these people are horrible human beings. I cannot believe this is who we get to choose from. After this last debate I realized that I have to vote for Clinton because the alternative is unfathomable to me personally. I feel gross and dirty. I can't defend this woman in anyway other than to say at least she can string coherent sentences together and doesn't sound like a bumbling oaf. I am grossed out by what Trump said in that video. Skeevy guy that he is. However I have real problems when what was considered to be a private conversation becomes public fodder, no matter how disgusting it is. If some of the shit me and my husband talk about was recorded and put out there, I would lose my job for sure because I work for a super conservative company. So regardless of what I think of him personally, it bugs me how it all came about. No you don't. You don't have to vote for anyone I never liked the idea of voting for a bad candidate. Regardless of why. I feel it would be so much better and mean so much more if people just decided not to vote at all this year. Let the stats come out that voter turnout was at an all time low. Millions less people voted this year than in 2012. Nothing sends more of a message than that
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Post by Baph on Oct 12, 2016 10:55:13 GMT -5
Amen to that. I'm not voting. Not even registered. And a LOOOOOOTTTTTTT of people vote who have no business voting. Voting is a right, not a duty. There are plenty of people who don't need to express all of their rights . . . . to drive, to own a gun, etc. Voting is the same way. If you're uninformed or uncompeled you have absolutely zero obligation to vote. The only way I could be convinced to vote is if I thought getting a 3rd party candidate 20% of the pop vote would change the way they do future debates/elections.
Mike Rowe did a video this week on this very topic. All the Hollywood celebs encouraging all these 19-year-old nit-wits to get out and vote. It's ridiculous. And you know good and well they wouldn't be doing these "Rock the Vote" campaigns if they thought these kids might be voting for Trump. Frankly, LESS people should vote. Both for the reason Sox pointed out and also just out of principle. You're too dumb, unengaged, and inexperienced to make informed decisions on national leadership. You don't even know who the VP is. You don't even know what NAFTA means. You get 100% of your political insight from the Daily Show and Facebook. Stay home, shit head.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 11:02:23 GMT -5
I am also voting based on whose policies I would identify more with. I am a liberal democrat, though I do share some of Trump's views on immigration, though not to the extreme level of bigotry he displays.
I have no problem saying that Bill Clinton is a deplorable skeevy scumbag. Hillary gets no respect from me for staying with a man like that. It seems to be completely politically motivated.
Maybe I should go the route that Patsox recommends. Skip the day entirely. The one reason I don't think I can do that is because as awful as HRC is, I think the global consequences of a Trump presidency would be more damaging.
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Post by Baph on Oct 12, 2016 11:12:29 GMT -5
Hillary's global consequences that we know of, that have actually happened, Libya, Syria, Iraq, the billions in hostage ransom to Iran, Benghazi, Afghanistan, the State Department losing track of 7 billion dollars on her watch, her voting record on wars, her arms deals, her media manipulation and constant lying, her insider control of the FBI, her donations from Saudi Arabia, uranium deals to Russia, etc. She's a fucking Bond villain. vs. What you imagine Trump might do . . . I have to ask, what are you imagining Trump might do that would be worse than what we KNOW she has done, is doing, and will continue to do? She's voted FOR every US war for 30 years. She's smuggling arms into civil wars in the Middle East and lying about it. We've been drone bombing and wire tapping and secret prison holding for a decade now and she's sat there smirking. She's pure fucking evil. But Trump . . . Trump is going to end life on this planet? How? Is this man just going to start lobbing nukes willy-nilly? Doesn't work like that. Trump has talked repeatedly about drawing down, getting out, asking our allies to do more of the heavy lifting and bringing our boys home. We also know he will get massive checks and balances from a flat-out adversarial press corps and a republican party that is NOT lock-step behind him in any sense of the world. He'll be scrutinized and held accountable in ways no president has for a generation. I think you've let your imagination run wild on this one and you're about to support a known war criminal and pathological liar because Trump seems mean whereas Hitlary covers it up . . . you know, like Ted Bundy did. Charming, well spoken . . . what could go wrong?
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Post by matt on Oct 12, 2016 11:32:59 GMT -5
I am also voting based on whose policies I would identify more with. I am a liberal democrat, though I do share some of Trump's views on immigration, though not to the extreme level of bigotry he displays. I have no problem saying that Bill Clinton is a deplorable skeevy scumbag. Hillary gets no respect from me for staying with a man like that. It seems to be completely politically motivated. Maybe I should go the route that Patsox recommends. Skip the day entirely. The one reason I don't think I can do that is because as awful as HRC is, I think the global consequences of a Trump presidency would be more damaging. I'll ask three things. What part of trump's immigration plan do you find to be discriminatory? How do you feel about hillary personaly leading defamation campaigns against bill's rape victims? What part of Donald's foreign policies do you think will lead to a global turmoil? ...keeping in mind that hilary is already planning on a military conflict with Russia while Trump is seeking a peaceful resolution with Russia.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 13:38:55 GMT -5
No you don't. You don't have to vote for anyone I never liked the idea of voting for a bad candidate. Regardless of why. I feel it would be so much better and mean so much more if people just decided not to vote at all this year. Let the stats come out that voter turnout was at an all time low. Millions less people voted this year than in 2012. Nothing sends more of a message than that Not voting is exactly what "they" want everyone to do. delong.typepad.com/plutonomy-1.pdfIf it is demonstrated that "no one votes", then that last shred of power we have is finally stripped away. And that's part of the goal IMO. It would suit globalists perfectly if Americans willingly trashed the last semblance of control they have over the government. It is that point where our tenuous grip becomes no grip at all. Get off your asses and go vote. No one benefits from your "non participation protest", not even you. And it's not like all we're voting for on the 8th is President. There will be local issues that are relevant to your region that you'll also have a hand in. There's also the issue of who your state sends to Congress. Just because you have to choose between a guy who says mean things and a woman who manipulates the system to her benefit, daily, doesn't mean that's the only choice you have to make on that day. It might actually be the most insignificant choice out of every other one that will be on your ballot. "Oh I'm not voting because I can't stand the choices...." At least you still have a choice. If what you guys propose comes to fruition, the next time a Hillary or a Trump comes down the pipeline, it will be as an "heir to the throne" and the idea of you having a say in it will be as fictional as 460K in Jackel's bank account.
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Post by PatSox on Oct 12, 2016 14:28:45 GMT -5
I am also voting based on whose policies I would identify more with. I am a liberal democrat, though I do share some of Trump's views on immigration, though not to the extreme level of bigotry he displays. I have no problem saying that Bill Clinton is a deplorable skeevy scumbag. Hillary gets no respect from me for staying with a man like that. It seems to be completely politically motivated. Maybe I should go the route that Patsox recommends. Skip the day entirely. The one reason I don't think I can do that is because as awful as HRC is, I think the global consequences of a Trump presidency would be more damaging. What state do you live in? Because, for instance, I'm in Massachusetts and my co-worker wants to vote Trump, even though he hates him, because he hates Hillary more. I told him I get that, but.....you're in Massachusetts dude.....electoral college-wise, Trump has no shot in this state, so it means nothing for you to vote for him. Stay home, relax and keep the stank off you
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 12, 2016 14:30:53 GMT -5
I am also voting based on whose policies I would identify more with. I am a liberal democrat, though I do share some of Trump's views on immigration, though not to the extreme level of bigotry he displays. I have no problem saying that Bill Clinton is a deplorable skeevy scumbag. Hillary gets no respect from me for staying with a man like that. It seems to be completely politically motivated. Maybe I should go the route that Patsox recommends. Skip the day entirely. The one reason I don't think I can do that is because as awful as HRC is, I think the global consequences of a Trump presidency would be more damaging. What state do you live in? Because, for instance, I'm in Massachusetts and my co-worker wants to vote Trump, even though he hates him, because he hates Hillary more. I told him I get that, but.....you're in Massachusetts dude.....electoral college-wise, Trump has no shot in this state, so it means nothing for you to vote for him. Stay home, relax and keep the stank off you The same theory used as to why a 3rd party candidate can never compete. Apathy kills.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 12, 2016 15:25:27 GMT -5
Surprised it isn't a bigger deal that the "secret" questions, Hillary has had her hands on it seems for most debates she's been in so far.
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Post by PatSox on Oct 12, 2016 15:33:57 GMT -5
What state do you live in? Because, for instance, I'm in Massachusetts and my co-worker wants to vote Trump, even though he hates him, because he hates Hillary more. I told him I get that, but.....you're in Massachusetts dude.....electoral college-wise, Trump has no shot in this state, so it means nothing for you to vote for him. Stay home, relax and keep the stank off you The same theory used as to why a 3rd party candidate can never compete. Apathy kills. What about second hand apathy?
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 12, 2016 16:17:45 GMT -5
The same theory used as to why a 3rd party candidate can never compete. Apathy kills. What about second hand apathy? Quack science. Blame Al Gore.
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Post by Baph on Oct 12, 2016 23:39:56 GMT -5
Saw a hidden cam video today where the NYC chairman of elections said they buss people from precinct to precinct and "flood the market" to make sure key districts go the right way in order to lock down electoral votes. Watch . . . he'll keep his job, too.
Wikileaks showed the FBI emailing the Clinton campaign during an on-going investigation.
Bill Clinton raped some chicks and when they show up to the debate the feminist liberals call them tramps and frauds.
Everyone who rolled their eyes at lame, baggage-heavy, hawkish, old-news Hillary in 2008 is now proud to support her . . . for some reason.
The entire planet is on fire because a billionaire playboy TV star in 200-fucking-5 says women will let him do almost anything, which we know is 100% true.
It's over, people.
Corruption is standing on the street corner in broad daylight and nobody cares. No, it's not even that we don't care. We're rushing over to take a fucking selfie with it.
Que the fat lady. She's on in five.
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Post by slaytan on Oct 13, 2016 4:54:20 GMT -5
Amen to that. I'm not voting. Not even registered. And a LOOOOOOTTTTTTT of people vote who have no business voting. Voting is a right, not a duty. There are plenty of people who don't need to express all of their rights . . . . to drive, to own a gun, etc. Voting is the same way. If you're uninformed or uncompeled you have absolutely zero obligation to vote. The only way I could be convinced to vote is if I thought getting a 3rd party candidate 20% of the pop vote would change the way they do future debates/elections. Mike Rowe did a video this week on this very topic. All the Hollywood celebs encouraging all these 19-year-old nit-wits to get out and vote. It's ridiculous. And you know good and well they wouldn't be doing these "Rock the Vote" campaigns if they thought these kids might be voting for Trump. Frankly, LESS people should vote. Both for the reason Sox pointed out and also just out of principle. You're too dumb, unengaged, and inexperienced to make informed decisions on national leadership. You don't even know who the VP is. You don't even know what NAFTA means. You get 100% of your political insight from the Daily Show and Facebook. Stay home, shit head. voting was not meant to be a "right," but rather a duty. It is your DUTY to make a logical choice, and if you have not come to one, you have a duty to not vote.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 5:05:47 GMT -5
You wouldn't be saying it's your duty if you went to school with all these nitwits that I do. It's horrifying how uninformed supposedly intelligent people are. And I'm not talking about the Presidential race. I'll be sitting this one out. But I WILL be voting. There are important local elections, amendments, etc. that will probably effect me a lot more than the POTUS. Outside of Trump vs. Hillary though, most of these kids have no idea about anything on the ballot other than medical marijuana (of course.) The lawyer group here (Morgan & Morgan) has made sure EVERYONE knows about it.
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