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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 7:34:11 GMT -5
I'll probably watch this one in hope that Trump is more focused on Hillary's rank hypocrisy, such as posing as a "champion for women" while privately demonizing Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky.
And I hope he continues with the interjections. It's OK to correct a lie as soon as you hear it....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 9:03:38 GMT -5
He better learn from the first debate and the Pence debate that being obnoxious isn't going to win fans.
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Post by hammerfaust on Oct 7, 2016 9:11:17 GMT -5
I'll probably watch this one in hope that Trump is more focused on Hillary's rank hypocrisy, such as posing as a "champion for women" while privately demonizing Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky.
And I hope he continues with the interjections. It's OK to correct a lie as soon as you hear it.... I think both candidates absolutely suck and our country is in a bad spot... But arguments like this crack me up, you expect her to be besties with the women her husband fucked around with? People on both sides are such fucking sheep and just eat and digest whatever Fox news or MSNBC is feeding them...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 9:17:07 GMT -5
I'll probably watch this one in hope that Trump is more focused on Hillary's rank hypocrisy, such as posing as a "champion for women" while privately demonizing Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky.
And I hope he continues with the interjections. It's OK to correct a lie as soon as you hear it.... I think both candidates absolutely suck and our country is in a bad spot... But arguments like this crack me up, you expect her to be besties with the women her husband fucked around with? People on both sides are such fucking sheep and just eat and digest whatever Fox news or MSNBC is feeding them... Agreed. She could have waterboarded Monica and most of the women in this country would have thought "good for her, bitch got what was coming" Trump is going to need to chew on a valium before hand and chill the fuck out a bit. He's gonna need to take some notes from Pence and slow it down a bit. Just say what he has to say and then let Hillary talk. Interupting too much is going to cost him this election. Sure, it may win him over even more with those that hate Hillary, but he's already getting those votes. Patience and cunning is going to win this one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 9:46:11 GMT -5
I'll probably watch this one in hope that Trump is more focused on Hillary's rank hypocrisy, such as posing as a "champion for women" while privately demonizing Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky.
And I hope he continues with the interjections. It's OK to correct a lie as soon as you hear it.... I think both candidates absolutely suck and our country is in a bad spot... But arguments like this crack me up, you expect her to be besties with the women her husband fucked around with? People on both sides are such fucking sheep and just eat and digest whatever Fox news or MSNBC is feeding them... Yeah, you gotta be such a sheep to support Trump. It doesn't entail doing your own research and disregarding soundbites that take things out of context. And you'd only know about the context if you were looking into it yourself and watching the entire speech in the first place, as most sheep do, and disregard the truncated version of reality that the mainstream media and their 6% trustworthiness rating peddle to the masses. It doesn't take extra work to dig into the facts and decipher which ones are the most important, because you can't rely on the news people to actually give you all the facts. Speaking of MSNBC and Fox...MSNBC was quoted directly in the Wikileaks dump from last month as saying Hillary "was their candidate" and Fox is on the list of groups who made massive contributions to The Clinton Foundation. I don't expect Hillary to be friendly with the whores that her husband is fond of. But I also personally can't wrap my sheep-brain around how anyone who's paying even a modest amount of attention can't see how much worse Hillary is. Hillary was embroiled in some serious scandals in the 1990's, but Trump called a woman fat. Hillary engaged in some ultra shady back room deals that ranged from selling Uranium to Russia (illegal) to getting shielded by the FBI from her email fuck up, but Trump said illegal aliens commit crimes. Hillary sold political favors to get her and her husband out of debt (illegal), Trump wrote off a $916M loss and carried the loss forward (legal). Hillary hides from the press (no press conferences in like 270 days so far), Trump was having daily press conferences for months and still holds them. Hillary has a slew of health problems that are hidden from public view, Trump has small hands that are out there for everyone to see. Hillary says she is for the middle class, but she will raise taxes on them to "create" 10 million more Government jobs. Trump says he's for the middle class, and will lower their taxes with the hope that some of them use the extra money to start new companies and create millions of private sector jobs. (Private sector jobs entail the creation of or service of something, government jobs create nothing that can be sold.) Yeah dude. baaaaaaah-fucking-baaaaaaahhhh. Trump baaaaaaaaaaah. 2016. Baaaaaaaaaah.
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Post by hammerfaust on Oct 7, 2016 10:20:40 GMT -5
I think both candidates absolutely suck and our country is in a bad spot... But arguments like this crack me up, you expect her to be besties with the women her husband fucked around with? People on both sides are such fucking sheep and just eat and digest whatever Fox news or MSNBC is feeding them... Yeah, you gotta be such a sheep to support Trump. It doesn't entail doing your own research and disregarding soundbites that take things out of context. And you'd only know about the context if you were looking into it yourself and watching the entire speech in the first place, as most sheep do, and disregard the truncated version of reality that the mainstream media and their 6% trustworthiness rating peddle to the masses. It doesn't take extra work to dig into the facts and decipher which ones are the most important, because you can't rely on the news people to actually give you all the facts. Speaking of MSNBC and Fox...MSNBC was quoted directly in the Wikileaks dump from last month as saying Hillary "was their candidate" and Fox is on the list of groups who made massive contributions to The Clinton Foundation. I don't expect Hillary to be friendly with the whores that her husband is fond of. But I also personally can't wrap my sheep-brain around how anyone who's paying even a modest amount of attention can't see how much worse Hillary is. Hillary was embroiled in some serious scandals in the 1990's, but Trump called a woman fat. Hillary engaged in some ultra shady back room deals that ranged from selling Uranium to Russia (illegal) to getting shielded by the FBI from her email fuck up, but Trump said illegal aliens commit crimes. Hillary sold political favors to get her and her husband out of debt (illegal), Trump wrote off a $916M loss and carried the loss forward (legal). Hillary hides from the press (no press conferences in like 270 days so far), Trump was having daily press conferences for months and still holds them. Hillary has a slew of health problems that are hidden from public view, Trump has small hands that are out there for everyone to see. Hillary says she is for the middle class, but she will raise taxes on them to "create" 10 million more Government jobs. Trump says he's for the middle class, and will lower their taxes with the hope that some of them use the extra money to start new companies and create millions of private sector jobs. (Private sector jobs entail the creation of or service of something, government jobs create nothing that can be sold.) Yeah dude. baaaaaaah-fucking-baaaaaaahhhh. Trump baaaaaaaaaaah. 2016. Baaaaaaaaaah. Not sure what you were going for there... I am not a Hillary supporter, and I am not really a Trump supporter. My point was, MSNBC and Fox are so biased and there is a huge part of the population that takes what they say as gospel. If you are not one of those people, good for you! And all of this... Trump says this and Hillary supports that is a joke as well... how many presidents actually lived up to their campaign promises? Shit gets bogged down when they gotta deal with congress.
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Post by matt on Oct 7, 2016 11:05:13 GMT -5
Yeah, you gotta be such a sheep to support Trump. It doesn't entail doing your own research and disregarding soundbites that take things out of context. And you'd only know about the context if you were looking into it yourself and watching the entire speech in the first place, as most sheep do, and disregard the truncated version of reality that the mainstream media and their 6% trustworthiness rating peddle to the masses. It doesn't take extra work to dig into the facts and decipher which ones are the most important, because you can't rely on the news people to actually give you all the facts. Speaking of MSNBC and Fox...MSNBC was quoted directly in the Wikileaks dump from last month as saying Hillary "was their candidate" and Fox is on the list of groups who made massive contributions to The Clinton Foundation. I don't expect Hillary to be friendly with the whores that her husband is fond of. But I also personally can't wrap my sheep-brain around how anyone who's paying even a modest amount of attention can't see how much worse Hillary is. Hillary was embroiled in some serious scandals in the 1990's, but Trump called a woman fat. Hillary engaged in some ultra shady back room deals that ranged from selling Uranium to Russia (illegal) to getting shielded by the FBI from her email fuck up, but Trump said illegal aliens commit crimes. Hillary sold political favors to get her and her husband out of debt (illegal), Trump wrote off a $916M loss and carried the loss forward (legal). Hillary hides from the press (no press conferences in like 270 days so far), Trump was having daily press conferences for months and still holds them. Hillary has a slew of health problems that are hidden from public view, Trump has small hands that are out there for everyone to see. Hillary says she is for the middle class, but she will raise taxes on them to "create" 10 million more Government jobs. Trump says he's for the middle class, and will lower their taxes with the hope that some of them use the extra money to start new companies and create millions of private sector jobs. (Private sector jobs entail the creation of or service of something, government jobs create nothing that can be sold.) Yeah dude. baaaaaaah-fucking-baaaaaaahhhh. Trump baaaaaaaaaaah. 2016. Baaaaaaaaaah. Not sure what you were going for there... I am not a Hillary supporter, and I am not really a Trump supporter. My point was, MSNBC and Fox are so biased and there is a huge part of the population that takes what they say as gospel. If you are not one of those people, good for you! And all of this... Trump says this and Hillary supports that is a joke as well... how many presidents actually lived up to their campaign promises? Shit gets bogged down when they gotta deal with congress. FOX is owned by Rupert Murdoch I think? He's not right wing, let's just say that. So even though FOX might be the "conservative" news outlet it still pushes a left agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 12:09:47 GMT -5
My point was that I support Trump despite the media, because I've put the time in to listen to him without a corporate news filter blocking out the rest. I've gotten my facts straight from the guy's mouth on YouTube, and ignored what Anderson Cooper and the rest of his ilk want me to hear. I don't care about their versions of things, I care about the actual version.
But I completely agree with you that there are a ton of sheeple involved in this election.
All I was saying is that the herds of sheep seem to be on the left side. The guys backing Trump up, in my own experience anyway, have gone out and done their own research and concluded that the media is full of shit.
If the people in power are scared of someone, it's usually because that person is going to take some of their power away.
I have no problem with those within the establishment getting the shitboot right out of office. They've done a great job fucking everything up. Time we put some people in power who have a history of turning things around. Trump has a history of turning things around.
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Post by Baph on Oct 7, 2016 13:04:13 GMT -5
I say I'll watch it, but when the rubber meets the road I'm just not sure I can sit through it. I've missed the first two and have zero RAGRETS. I just end up feeling disgusted by one and disappointed by the other and deflated in general once you sit for 90 min and really stare these morons in the eye.
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Post by jamesod on Oct 7, 2016 13:59:08 GMT -5
I say I'll watch it, but when the rubber meets the road I'm just not sure I can sit through it. I've missed the first two and have zero RAGRETS. I just end up feeling disgusted by one and disappointed by the other and deflated in general once you sit for 90 min and really stare these morons in the eye. Maybe if you took a couple of gas station dick pills first???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 17:46:49 GMT -5
I'll probably watch this one in hope that Trump is more focused on Hillary's rank hypocrisy, such as posing as a "champion for women" while privately demonizing Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky.
And I hope he continues with the interjections. It's OK to correct a lie as soon as you hear it.... But arguments like this crack me up, you expect her to be besties with the women her husband fucked around with? Both women are classic feminist-thought examples of victimized women being crassly exploited by a male with power.
You know, the type feminists-in-name like Hillary always hold up as a legitimate example of sexual harassment/exploitation!
Perhaps you're ignorant of the vicious smear campaign aimed at either woman during that time. Not to mention others with credible claims -- all dismissed as "bimbo eruptions" by Hillary's obedient press corps. Hillary spearheaded this approach herself.
And today, you're buying this BS about her caring for women? Really?
All this was 20 years ago, so maybe you're ignorant of the facts. Hillary's treatment of these women exposes her hypocrisy, and your failure to see this -- a point even conceded by hardcore Clinton apologists -- is kind of baffling, really.
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Post by Baph on Oct 7, 2016 22:41:51 GMT -5
I say I'll watch it, but when the rubber meets the road I'm just not sure I can sit through it. I've missed the first two and have zero RAGRETS. I just end up feeling disgusted by one and disappointed by the other and deflated in general once you sit for 90 min and really stare these morons in the eye. Maybe if you took a couple of gas station dick pills first??? Just crazy enough to work. Now to find an EZ Mart with a bathroom vending machine.
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Post by epk on Oct 8, 2016 0:49:47 GMT -5
I do agree Clinton's public facing persona is that of terrible person. Horrible. And I'll go one farther. Pretty much every damn politician is. And most argumentation against her is "she lied", "Benghazi movie" "email"...blah. She's not a good person. But, she is a politician. And i donno why everyone thinks we need an outsider. Gas is 2 bucks. We aren't in a recession. We aren't even in bad shape right now. The economy is so strong...we have time to care about race relations. What a luxury.
But dude. Trump is a literal moron when it comes to foreign policy and well, everything. It's not the media. He quoted an unconstitutional provision in the last debate as a solution. His "plans" don't hold water. A wall? That shit won't work. Tunnels dummies. Look it up. We live in a global economy. The days of walls are waaay over. Lol. A wall. Plus walls work both ways. They also keep sheeples in. Fuck living in escape from NY or Berlin back in the day.
That's not an attack on trump the person. That's common sense. We will really have a hard time surviving a trump presidency. We need the world as a partner. We aren't a superpower like we were. The world is watching, and we look weak and stupid.
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 8, 2016 1:11:59 GMT -5
I do agree Clinton's public facing persona is that of terrible person. Horrible. And I'll go one farther. Pretty much every damn politician is. And most argumentation against her is "she lied", "Benghazi movie" "email"...blah. She's not a good person. But, she is a politician. And i donno why everyone thinks we need an outsider. Gas is 2 bucks. We aren't in a recession. We aren't even in bad shape right now. The economy is so strong...we have time to care about race relations. What a luxury. But dude. Trump is a literal moron when it comes to foreign policy and well, everything. It's not the media. He quoted an unconstitutional provision in the last debate as a solution. His "plans" don't hold water. A wall? That shit won't work. Tunnels dummies. Look it up. We live in a global economy. The days of walls are waaay over. Lol. A wall. Plus walls work both ways. They also keep sheeples in. Fuck living in escape from NY or Berlin back in the day. That's not an attack on trump the person. That's common sense. We will really have a hard time surviving a trump presidency. We need the world as a partner. We aren't a superpower like we were. The world is watching, and we look weak and stupid. Blah? Really? She had 5 of her employees destroy every bit of evidence to cover up her pay to play emails as Secretary of State to her money laundering front called the Clinton Foundation. If by "blah" you mean Watergate is 'blah" or her husband getting impeached is "blah" then I guess no politician can ever do wrong and NOTHING they can do is worth scrutiny? People were murdered in Benghazi and she refused to send assistance and then lied about it. That's "blah"? Is there a more grievous error for someone we elect or gets appointed to represent our country?? There is no way to wave a wand and say she is like every other politician. We are now living in the age of information so go ahead and list out the career long issues that have plagued any politician like they do Hillary. The " they are all the same" line is the worst and least impressive of all the Hillary sheeple BS. I would love for any Trump hater to explain with any specifics how he could possibly be worse for foreign policy? All these foreign dignitaries contribute to her foundation so literally ANYONE in our country is better at foreign policy than Hillary. as for the belief that we need to break or alter immigration law - we remain a nation of laws and elect people to vote. So while you may feel we should have open borders, that is NOT the consensus opinion and I would say never, ever, ever will be. Congress has twice shut down open border measures Obama tried to implement. The days of a wall are over? WTF does that mean? The vast majority of countries on the planet and ALL 1st world countries regulate immigration and none allow for open borders. None. I mean jesus, we literally do have a invisible wall right now as sneaking into our country remains a federal crime. Pretending it's okay doesnt change the law. While pretentious and anti-Trump, literally nothing in this post made any sense. Try again or just say you hate Trump.
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Post by epk on Oct 8, 2016 8:38:00 GMT -5
OC- my argument won't make sense because you are already so blinded by hate to any counter narrative, that you'll only read it to find the pieces you can pick apart based on your own perception.
Everything you've said about Clinton- isn't true. WHAT?!?
It's actually not. You listed felonies. But, she isn't in jail. Now, you can pretend to know better or say she used her position to get away with it, but, you have no actual knowledge except what is reported by the media and what you assume you know. That's a fact. Because, you don't know the Clinton or work for a 3 letter agency.
The wall. Trump wants to build a physical wall. Like, out of concrete or dead babies, or the hopes and dreams of the middle class. I donno. But that is a super dumb thing for a presidential nominee to even say.
As for policy. A politician and Secretary of State is better qualified than a reality star. That's a fact. The worlds political climate is not in a place where someone can learn on the job right now.
The idea of an outsider? Sweet. The idea of an outsider who isn't a unifier? Impossible. In sum... Your argument is: Hillary is shitty person that did shitty things. Mine: Yes. That's true. What does that have to do with running a country, passing legislation and negotiating with foreign leaders - -here is the critical part--better than the other one that's running for office?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 9:03:43 GMT -5
I don't think you need 3 letters after your name to know what Comey said about intent is bullshit. No crime ever has needed intent to prosecute.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 9:16:40 GMT -5
Why the hell can't I delete this?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 9:22:47 GMT -5
The wall. Trump wants to build a physical wall. Like, out of concrete or dead babies, or the hopes and dreams of the middle class. I donno. But that is a super dumb thing for a Hillzombie poster to even say. Fixed that for ya.
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Post by jamesod on Oct 8, 2016 9:25:37 GMT -5
I don't think you need 3 letters after your name to know what Comey said about intent is bullshit. No crime ever has needed intent to prosecute. Unrelated to the Hillary/Trump issue, but you should really look up mens rea.
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Post by epk on Oct 8, 2016 9:32:31 GMT -5
Cyber- don't even like Clinton, dummy. I would possibly support, literally, any other candidate over her. For the most part I identify as a republican and conservative. I don't agree at all with her stance on the 2nd amendment. I hate her stance on Syrian refugees- -she is wrong, and, Europe is proof of that. I don't view her as a savior or turn a blind eye to her discretions. But, we are stuck with two candidates in this system, and surprisingly one is even worse than Clinton in my view. And, well, the view of most well read objective people who aren't following the scripted "killlary" persona counter-narrative.
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Post by epk on Oct 8, 2016 9:35:05 GMT -5
I don't think you need 3 letters after your name to know what Comey said about intent is bullshit. No crime ever has needed intent to prosecute. No charges= innocent. Anything else is conjecture. Merica!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 10:00:45 GMT -5
I don't think you need 3 letters after your name to know what Comey said about intent is bullshit. No crime ever has needed intent to prosecute. No charges= innocent. Anything else is conjecture. Merica! Come on man. You're smarter than that.
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Post by epk on Oct 8, 2016 10:02:53 GMT -5
Anyways, I'm out ladies! No way this ends civilly and if someone is voting for trump at this point, there is no reversing their logic. People see what they want to see. Especially in politics. Plus, Clinton has this shit locked up with dirty money and the electoral college. You have to be dumb to think she could be beat just by merica voting for her opponent. Talk to you all in a year or two when the smoke clears, and everyone takes back the concept of supporting that dude. Gonna be a lot of "not me's" then. I'll leave you won't be perfect Trump supporter logic, -'d how it sounds to the rest of the world:
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Post by epk on Oct 8, 2016 10:07:34 GMT -5
No charges= innocent. Anything else is conjecture. Merica! Come on man. You're smarter than that. I am. But it really riles people up, brother. You wanna see someone flip their lid, point out she's legally innocent.
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Post by Baph on Oct 8, 2016 23:26:05 GMT -5
O.J. is legally innocent too, and the whole fucking planet knows he cut his wife's head off and ran from the cops in the Bronco.
Being famous, rich, politically connected, and getting away with crimes is fucking disgusting and people who shrug it off are morally bankrupt. The problem is 75% of the world is morally bankrupt and it cuts against the grain to take a stand on this shit anymore.
There may not be anything on the planet worse than a war mongering socialist pathological liar running a global money laundering scam. It's like the worst of all possible alternatives rolled into one. A pro drug war, hawkish socialist with a fetish for secrecy and cover-ups and the whole of the US media at her beck and call. What do you imagine that looks like after 2-3 years in the White House? Jesus.
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Post by matt on Oct 9, 2016 11:02:29 GMT -5
Please correct me if I'm wrong but I think there's a difference between 'not guilty' and 'innocent.'
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Post by ocmmafan on Oct 9, 2016 11:28:45 GMT -5
OC- my argument won't make sense because you are already so blinded by hate to any counter narrative, that you'll only read it to find the pieces you can pick apart based on your own perception. Everything you've said about Clinton- isn't true. WHAT?!? It's actually not. You listed felonies. But, she isn't in jail. Now, you can pretend to know better or say she used her position to get away with it, but, you have no actual knowledge except what is reported by the media and what you assume you know. That's a fact. Because, you don't know the Clinton or work for a 3 letter agency. The wall. Trump wants to build a physical wall. Like, out of concrete or dead babies, or the hopes and dreams of the middle class. I donno. But that is a super dumb thing for a presidential nominee to even say. As for policy. A politician and Secretary of State is better qualified than a reality star. That's a fact. The worlds political climate is not in a place where someone can learn on the job right now. The idea of an outsider? Sweet. The idea of an outsider who isn't a unifier? Impossible. In sum... Your argument is: Hillary is shitty person that did shitty things. Mine: Yes. That's true. What does that have to do with running a country, passing legislation and negotiating with foreign leaders - -here is the critical part--better than the other one that's running for office? I think Hillary's experience proves she is capable of using her official capacity to benefit her private persona. Do we suspect most politicians do this? Yes. But we have overwhelming evidence of her doing it for decades and it's more than cringe worthy. When other politicians get caught they get exposed and public opinion usually sways against them. How she is able to counter every ones of these real situations of corruption and lies is madness. Personally, having us all witness the level of corruption the Obama administration participated in with the attorney general, the FBI and Hillary is one of the most outrageous scandals of our lifetime and I am not exaggerating. 20 years into my DHS career and this is impossible for me to believe is happening right in front of our eyes. I do, personally, believe we need a physical wall on the southern border because we will never have the man-power to stop intrusion. And you still need manpower to enforce an electronic fence when it triggers. Not sure I agree it's bad to say because their are millions and millions of voters that want to hear we DO intend on enforcing the border. At least that's my opinion from what I see. I don't really care if people dislike Trump because he gives them good reason to with some of the stuff he says, but I cannot imagine a rational thinking person voting for Hillary. I don't think she can negotiate foreign policy better than Trump - but I do believe she is already in bed with many of them and it is NOT for interests that benefit the US. I think Trump would be far superior in negotiating trade than Hillary, and I think the rest of foreign policy is of less importance. We cave to the whims of "partners" that are not really in a partnership with us, so new blood to look at how we negotiate anything with partners will be an improvement, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 21:12:04 GMT -5
Holy shit this is horrible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2016 21:16:53 GMT -5
I think it's great. The gloves are off, and in my very biased opinion Trump is kicking the smug smile right off her face.
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Post by Angelo on Oct 9, 2016 21:23:44 GMT -5
Trump is doing better this debate than the last. Gonna see though if he gonna pounce on the question about her husband handling the budget when it was the opposition congress that did.
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