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Post by Baph on Feb 18, 2018 15:37:43 GMT -5
Black Panther - 6 of 10.
Man, horrific casting of the villain. Just crushed the suspended belief at every turn. He brought a jarring, "street/thug/macho" vibe to the film that really clashed with the ancient tribal mystique of the Panther and that culture. And, as Marvel is want to do, the big bad also failed to create any real sense of danger, power, or suspense. It's just a gangster jackass. "I ain't give a fuck about no scars, boi." Jesus. Where's the whit and banter of Ragnarok or Deadpool? Where's the novelty and charisma of Iron Man? Seems like Black Panther just tried to ride home on wardrobe and set design and . . . rap video style acting cool and head nodding. Even the Panther himself lacks any real range of emotion or presence. He kind of whispers and broods and looks good in a suit. Strong silent type is a great role player, but can't really carry a feature film, especially one that hinges on me giving a fuck about vibrainium falling into some hypothetical "wrong hands" or a ghetto ursurper making a power play in the hidden bubble world.
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Post by nickcage on Feb 18, 2018 19:06:40 GMT -5
I enjoyed Black Panther a bit more than Baph. While I like MJB the villain role wasn’t great for him. He needed more of a back story as the main villain just lacked over all depth. I read that the pre editored version was a little four hours and tbh that’s probably the right length for the film. There is a lot more that needed to be covered such as the backgrounds of the tribes—tiberium—the villain. It’s odd to say it feels slightly rushed since it’s still 125 minutes but it feels that way. I’d say 7.5/10.
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Post by slaytan on Feb 18, 2018 19:51:10 GMT -5
Black Panther is the highest rated film in the MCU. 98% on RT and 87 on Metacritic. Haven't seen it, so I'll reserve judgement. I'm very interested on what the people think about this film. I might see it this weekend, but I won't be posting a review here We already know what your rating will be. 9.9 or better. Just like everything else
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Post by Baph on Feb 18, 2018 19:58:56 GMT -5
I enjoyed Black Panther a bit more than Baph. While I like MJB the villain role wasn’t great for him. He needed more of a back story as the main villain just lacked over all depth. I read that the pre editored version was a little four hours and tbh that’s probably the right length for the film. There is a lot more that needed to be covered such as the backgrounds of the tribes—tiberium—the villain. It’s odd to say it feels slightly rushed since it’s still 125 minutes but it feels that way. I’d say 7.5/10. You like MJB because . . . why? Be specific. Dude is trash, the role was trash, the plot was trash. It looked amazing, like everything else Marvel has put out for the past decade, but lacked all the charm, humor, and development of their other offerings. I know we're all supposed to like it for woke points, but you cannot tell me that was a 7.5 of 10 for you. You'd watch it again? You'd recommend it to a friend? You seriously wish it was 4 hrs long? Fuck . . . shoot me now.
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 18, 2018 20:17:26 GMT -5
Black Panther - 6 of 10. Man, horrific casting of the villain. Who would you have cast?
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Post by nickcage on Feb 18, 2018 20:19:03 GMT -5
He was good in Cronicle-Friday Night Lights-Very good in Fruitville Station.
The movie certainly lacked character development but I feel like your being overly harsh. Maybe that’s due to Marvel setting the bar high for yourself. As for the comedy portion—I’m not really sure where more jokes could be fit in to lighten the mood.
The movie is the first Iron Man plot but in Africa. It’s nothing ground breaking but I liked it. I’m not big into Marvel movies really in general but I enjoyed this. It’s simple and very watchable for me.
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 18, 2018 20:32:28 GMT -5
He was good in Cronicle-Friday Night Lights-Very good in Fruitville Station. No love for Creed? Also, how did the plot resemble Iron Man 1 in any way?
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Post by nickcage on Feb 18, 2018 20:58:25 GMT -5
Basically they get a suit. Stark goes to get his weapons back from the bad guys. BP goes to get teraniam back from the villians. Fight a mini boss. Raza/Klaue. Heros get hurt—take time to regroup. Get new suits/upgrades. Take out the main villain. Come out to the world.
By similar plots I should say they follow a similar formula.
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 18, 2018 22:24:20 GMT -5
BP could (again not seeing until this week sometime) fall victim to just not being Infinity Wars for some Marvel fans (me). I've read enough about plot spoilers to understand that we're not getting Avengers 3.5 or Guardians of the Galaxy 2.5 tie-ins to Infinity wars so I've set my expectations low there. I'd say there are several in the Marvel zone that were a little mid-range on the bad-guy plot. In retrospect, a lot of those end up making a little sense so maybe BP will need this is the base that BP evolves from in Infinity Wars and BP2.
Who knows, if you set the bar really high and add a dash of Infinity War anticipation, I could see being disappointed. I'm setting my bar at hopefully you get some more info on BP and why he'll be important going forward.
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Post by Baph on Feb 18, 2018 22:44:00 GMT -5
Black Panther - 6 of 10. Man, horrific casting of the villain. Who would you have cast? I would have pushed for a very different plot structure. The rival for the throne deal just played out like two kids fighting over an iPad. I need a big bad to be . . . well, bad. Menacing, sociopathic, powerful enough to be seriously dangerous. Cersei Lannister. Hannibal Lecter. Ivan Drago. Iconic evil. Overwhelming power. Forrest Whitaker as a deposed rival to Black Panther's late father is one idea. Bit of the Lion King (Scar) plot.
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 18, 2018 22:59:41 GMT -5
Basically they get a suit. Stark goes to get his weapons back from the bad guys. BP goes to get teraniam back from the villians. Fight a mini boss. Raza/Klaue. Heros get hurt—take time to regroup. Get new suits/upgrades. Take out the main villain. Come out to the world. By similar plots I should say they follow a similar formula. When you put it this way, who could argue? I don't think the plot hits all the same beats (there's no Stark in Afghanistan analogue, for example), but aren't all the MCU movies basically along those lines?
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 18, 2018 23:00:41 GMT -5
I would have pushed for a very different plot structure. The rival for the throne deal just played out like two kids fighting over an iPad. I need a big bad to be . . . well, bad. Menacing, sociopathic, powerful enough to be seriously dangerous. Cersei Lannister. Hannibal Lecter. Ivan Drago. Iconic evil. Overwhelming power. Forrest Whitaker as a deposed rival to Black Panther's late father is one idea. Bit of the Lion King (Scar) plot. What kind of non-answer is that? You singled out Michael B., but who would have been better cast as Killmonger (other than a bunch of white people, apparently)?
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Post by Baph on Feb 18, 2018 23:45:33 GMT -5
I would have pushed for a very different plot structure. The rival for the throne deal just played out like two kids fighting over an iPad. I need a big bad to be . . . well, bad. Menacing, sociopathic, powerful enough to be seriously dangerous. Cersei Lannister. Hannibal Lecter. Ivan Drago. Iconic evil. Overwhelming power. Forrest Whitaker as a deposed rival to Black Panther's late father is one idea. Bit of the Lion King (Scar) plot. What kind of non-answer is that? You singled out Michael B., but who would have been better cast as Killmonger (other than a bunch of white people, apparently)? You asked who I would have cast, and I said Forest Whitaker, and that's a non-answer with racist undertones, somehow? How about you go fuck yourself?
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 18, 2018 23:53:37 GMT -5
What kind of non-answer is that? You singled out Michael B., but who would have been better cast as Killmonger (other than a bunch of white people, apparently)? You asked who I would have cast, and I said Forest Whitaker, and that's a non-answer with racist undertones, somehow? How about you go fuck yourself? Ah yes, a 60-year-old would have done a much better job than MBJ at playing a 30-year-old character, right? Why on earth does anybody care about your Prometheus review when you are so shit at critiquing movies in the first place? Does everybody else here confuse verbosity with intelligence?
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Post by boboplata on Feb 19, 2018 2:47:01 GMT -5
Black Panther - 6 of 10. Man, horrific casting of the villain. Who would you have cast? John Malkovich if Jeremy Irons isn't busy.
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 19, 2018 18:54:19 GMT -5
Blade Trinity 8.5 out of 10
Glad to be reminded of it lately. Watched it 25+ times.
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 19, 2018 20:00:50 GMT -5
Blade Trinity 8.5 out of 10 Glad to be reminded of it lately. Watched it 25+ times. Would you rate it higher than Blade 2 (IMHO the best of the trilogy)?
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Post by boboplata on Feb 19, 2018 20:24:04 GMT -5
Blade Trinity 8.5 out of 10 Glad to be reminded of it lately. Watched it 25+ times. Would you rate it higher than Blade 2 (IMHO the best of the trilogy)? Deacon Frost was the best marvel movie villain. 2 is solid but the lack of Deacon makes it only second to the original. I like to pretend the third didn't happened.
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Post by adamg01 on Feb 19, 2018 20:42:41 GMT -5
Would you rate it higher than Blade 2 (IMHO the best of the trilogy)? Deacon Frost was the best marvel movie villain. 2 is solid but the lack of Deacon makes it only second to the original. I like to pretend the third didn't happened. The 2nd one had a more formidable and interesting villain imo.
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Post by ocmmafan on Feb 19, 2018 23:58:03 GMT -5
Black Panther 7.5/10.
Solid popcorn, action flick. A little long but entertaining. Stoked to see Michonne show up as a Marvel lead and thought the little sister and high tech gadget shit was cool, and fun. I didn't have much problem with the villain and liked that he was a bad ass, special forces type killer. In the normal comics, that is the kind of dude that the Black Panther would match up with (no special powers - just had ass combat dudes).
The bad is the total overhaul to the Black Panther comic hero. He's a badass, athletic, totally human guy in the comics with a suit that does a little. He is far more like Daredevil, Black Widow, the Punisher, etc, where they are humans with awesome fighting skills. Adamantium is the hardest metal yet this movie introduced vibranium? WTF? He turned from Daredevil into a super badass, super strong dude with Iron Man like suit qualities and claws that can tear into Wolverine? He can take machine gun fire from 5 feet away and jump off cars going 100 MPH? Talk about a major fucking upgrade to the badassery. His shitty little African Village from the comics is now the most advanced country in the world?
I think they are trying a little too hard. This is by far the most massive change to a Marvel character in the movie dynasty and I just don't think it was necessary. I get the marvel push to "diversity" but this is like slap you in the face shit for anyone that knows the comics. I suspect most don't so marvel said fuck it - let's just make ourselves a new character.
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Post by Angelo on Feb 20, 2018 2:46:14 GMT -5
Black Panther 7.5/10.Solid popcorn, action flick. A little long but entertaining. Stoked to see Michonne show up as a Marvel lead and thought the little sister and high tech gadget shit was cool, and fun. I didn't have much problem with the villain and liked that he was a bad ass, special forces type killer. In the normal comics, that is the kind of dude that the Black Panther would match up with (no special powers - just had ass combat dudes). The bad is the total overhaul to the Black Panther comic hero. He's a badass, athletic, totally human guy in the comics with a suit that does a little. He is far more like Daredevil, Black Widow, the Punisher, etc, where they are humans with awesome fighting skills. Adamantium is the hardest metal yet this movie introduced vibranium? WTF? He turned from Daredevil into a super badass, super strong dude with Iron Man like suit qualities and claws that can tear into Wolverine? He can take machine gun fire from 5 feet away and jump off cars going 100 MPH? Talk about a major fucking upgrade to the badassery. His shitty little African Village from the comics is now the most advanced country in the world? I think they are trying a little too hard. This is by far the most massive change to a Marvel character in the movie dynasty and I just don't think it was necessary. I get the marvel push to "diversity" but this is like slap you in the face shit for anyone that knows the comics. I suspect most don't so marvel said fuck it - let's just make ourselves a new character. Wait, aren't there like 4 kinds of Adamantium, and only one of them is harder than Vibranium.
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Post by boboplata on Feb 20, 2018 5:37:25 GMT -5
Black Panther 7.5/10.Solid popcorn, action flick. A little long but entertaining. Stoked to see Michonne show up as a Marvel lead and thought the little sister and high tech gadget shit was cool, and fun. I didn't have much problem with the villain and liked that he was a bad ass, special forces type killer. In the normal comics, that is the kind of dude that the Black Panther would match up with (no special powers - just had ass combat dudes). The bad is the total overhaul to the Black Panther comic hero. He's a badass, athletic, totally human guy in the comics with a suit that does a little. He is far more like Daredevil, Black Widow, the Punisher, etc, where they are humans with awesome fighting skills. Adamantium is the hardest metal yet this movie introduced vibranium? WTF? He turned from Daredevil into a super badass, super strong dude with Iron Man like suit qualities and claws that can tear into Wolverine? He can take machine gun fire from 5 feet away and jump off cars going 100 MPH? Talk about a major fucking upgrade to the badassery. His shitty little African Village from the comics is now the most advanced country in the world? I think they are trying a little too hard. This is by far the most massive change to a Marvel character in the movie dynasty and I just don't think it was necessary. I get the marvel push to "diversity" but this is like slap you in the face shit for anyone that knows the comics. I suspect most don't so marvel said fuck it - let's just make ourselves a new character. Wait, aren't there like 4 kinds of Adamantium, and only one of them is harder than Vibranium. I know 2 sources of vibranium. Both have different properties. Adamantium, iirc, was a result of recreating a lab vibranium. Which, iirc, is still stronger than vibranium.
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Post by Angelo on Feb 20, 2018 7:36:44 GMT -5
Wait, aren't there like 4 kinds of Adamantium, and only one of them is harder than Vibranium. I know 2 sources of vibranium. Both have different properties. Adamantium, iirc, was a result of recreating a lab vibranium. Which, iirc, is still stronger than vibranium. I thought there was the proto-Adamantium (which is that hybrid vibranium-steel that makes up Cap's Shield). Beta-Adam that is the kind that is bound to bone (wolverine). Actual Adamantium, and then that Adamantium that was breaking all the time.
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 20, 2018 8:23:56 GMT -5
Blade Trinity 8.5 out of 10 Glad to be reminded of it lately. Watched it 25+ times. Would you rate it higher than Blade 2 (IMHO the best of the trilogy)? Yes. Never loved #2.
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 20, 2018 19:19:26 GMT -5
Black Panther 7.5/10.Solid popcorn, action flick. A little long but entertaining. Stoked to see Michonne show up as a Marvel lead and thought the little sister and high tech gadget shit was cool, and fun. I didn't have much problem with the villain and liked that he was a bad ass, special forces type killer. In the normal comics, that is the kind of dude that the Black Panther would match up with (no special powers - just had ass combat dudes). The bad is the total overhaul to the Black Panther comic hero. He's a badass, athletic, totally human guy in the comics with a suit that does a little. He is far more like Daredevil, Black Widow, the Punisher, etc, where they are humans with awesome fighting skills. Adamantium is the hardest metal yet this movie introduced vibranium? WTF? He turned from Daredevil into a super badass, super strong dude with Iron Man like suit qualities and claws that can tear into Wolverine? He can take machine gun fire from 5 feet away and jump off cars going 100 MPH? Talk about a major fucking upgrade to the badassery. His shitty little African Village from the comics is now the most advanced country in the world? I think they are trying a little too hard. This is by far the most massive change to a Marvel character in the movie dynasty and I just don't think it was necessary. I get the marvel push to "diversity" but this is like slap you in the face shit for anyone that knows the comics. I suspect most don't so marvel said fuck it - let's just make ourselves a new character. How stupid are you? Did you know vibranium isn't the same thing as adamantium and that vibranium has been around for 52 years in the comics (3 years longer than adamantium)? Did you know that they made a point of giving Captain America a vibranium shield in his 2011 movie? Did you know Wakanda is also the most technologically advanced country in the world in the Marvel Comic series, which has been the case since at least the 90s (if not earlier, I haven't read the earlier stuff, but still)?
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Post by ocmmafan on Feb 20, 2018 19:33:29 GMT -5
Black Panther 7.5/10.Solid popcorn, action flick. A little long but entertaining. Stoked to see Michonne show up as a Marvel lead and thought the little sister and high tech gadget shit was cool, and fun. I didn't have much problem with the villain and liked that he was a bad ass, special forces type killer. In the normal comics, that is the kind of dude that the Black Panther would match up with (no special powers - just had ass combat dudes). The bad is the total overhaul to the Black Panther comic hero. He's a badass, athletic, totally human guy in the comics with a suit that does a little. He is far more like Daredevil, Black Widow, the Punisher, etc, where they are humans with awesome fighting skills. Adamantium is the hardest metal yet this movie introduced vibranium? WTF? He turned from Daredevil into a super badass, super strong dude with Iron Man like suit qualities and claws that can tear into Wolverine? He can take machine gun fire from 5 feet away and jump off cars going 100 MPH? Talk about a major fucking upgrade to the badassery. His shitty little African Village from the comics is now the most advanced country in the world? I think they are trying a little too hard. This is by far the most massive change to a Marvel character in the movie dynasty and I just don't think it was necessary. I get the marvel push to "diversity" but this is like slap you in the face shit for anyone that knows the comics. I suspect most don't so marvel said fuck it - let's just make ourselves a new character. The black man deserves to have his comic series completely changed because of white privilege. Anyone criticizing this movie is racist. Guns are for rednecks. I like soy. I know.
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 20, 2018 19:39:50 GMT -5
The black man deserves to have his comic series completely changed because of white privilege. Anyone criticizing this movie is racist. Guns are for rednecks. I like soy. I know. Of the specific points I made, what was substantially changed from the comics (especially when you consider all the other changes made between the comics and the MCU), dumb shit?
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Post by Comrade Question on Feb 20, 2018 19:44:38 GMT -5
Would you rate it higher than Blade 2 (IMHO the best of the trilogy)? Yes. Never loved #2. No love for Ron Perlman?
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 21, 2018 8:29:00 GMT -5
Fine, now I will have to re-watch them.
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 21, 2018 8:37:47 GMT -5
Black Panther 8.25/10
Liked the movie a lot. I acknowledge that some of the global bondage and revolution themes by Eric were a little inconsostent, sometimes including all Africans, sometimes seemed to include just African Americans, sometimes seemed to include all the poor on earth. I liked his character, although they didn’t give him any range or room for his POV to evolve.
Wakandia power up needed for our earthbound super heros, so that was accomplished.
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