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Post by ocmmafan on Jun 14, 2018 15:10:50 GMT -5
Like john, I would have guessed around 500K buys. 150K is ridiculous. Overeem headlining the free Fox fights seems like a good move and headlining the undercard might be better than being an early fight on the main card. Seems we have seen that is the new strategy in how the lineup fights. Anyone know how the free fights do for views?
The CM Punk experiment didn't seem to work out. But with only 150K PPV buys and 2 title fights, they need to do something to generate interest.
This gives more power to the Diaz bros, Conor, GSP, Brock coming back crew. Fuck, they might as well offer Ronda 20 million to kick some shitty prospects ass.
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Post by johncfc on Jun 14, 2018 15:31:53 GMT -5
225 got less than 150,000 buys. Dana and co need to start doing a better job building the ppv's via their other tv deals. I think part of their problem is that Bellator's match making is head and shoulders above the UFC'S from a quality of fight standpiont. 225's main was fantastic but the rest of the card was far from it. Meanwhile Bellator's fights have been much more entertaining, especially in the last year or two. UFC better get their act together because the current trend doesn't look sustainable for them. The Fritata bros sold at the perfect time. The UFC has superior fighters to Bellator, but apart from GSP, Conor, Jones, and the Diaz brothers, Bellator might have better name recognition to the casual. Considering Bellator is free, and it is an easy choice for the casual. Personally, I keep up on all the cards, but I watch few live anymore. One reason is because after watching the prelims for free for a couple of hours, I've had my fill of MMA. I have little desire to stay up and watch a few fights on the main card where I don't know or care about any of the fighters just to watch the headliners at 1 am. And to pay for the privilege, no thanks. The Fox shows with four fights from 9-11 for free is about perfect for me. Bellator on Paramount for two hours works as well. Fight pass, then prelims, then the main card is a commitment I'm not interested in.
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Post by johncfc on Jun 14, 2018 15:35:24 GMT -5
Like john, I would have guessed around 500K buys. 150K is ridiculous. Overeem headlining the free Fox fights seems like a good move and headlining the undercard might be better than being an early fight on the main card. Seems we have seen that is the new strategy in how the lineup fights. Anyone know how the free fights do for views? The CM Punk experiment didn't seem to work out. But with only 150K PPV buys and 2 title fights, they need to do something to generate interest. This gives more power to the Diaz bros, Conor, GSP, Brock coming back crew. Fuck, they might as well offer Ronda 20 million to kick some shitty prospects ass. I think there was only one fight on 225 where I didn't know the fighters. Because of the name recognition and great match ups, I thought it would sell well. I wonder how the poor numbers will affect Colby's star power? I think he really gained some momentum after beating RDA and created some heat for the Woodley fight. But maybe nobody gives shit?
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Post by HumanAgent on Jun 14, 2018 15:47:04 GMT -5
Like john, I would have guessed around 500K buys. 150K is ridiculous. Overeem headlining the free Fox fights seems like a good move and headlining the undercard might be better than being an early fight on the main card. Seems we have seen that is the new strategy in how the lineup fights. Anyone know how the free fights do for views? The CM Punk experiment didn't seem to work out. But with only 150K PPV buys and 2 title fights, they need to do something to generate interest. This gives more power to the Diaz bros, Conor, GSP, Brock coming back crew. Fuck, they might as well offer Ronda 20 million to kick some shitty prospects ass. "Unfortunately, the network averaged just 667,000 eyeballs, the second lowest total of the year behind UFC 224, according to MMA Fighting. That said, the show peaked at 848,000 viewers, who — you guess it — tuned in to watch “The Reem” get destroyed by “Razor” in the third and final round"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 17:09:04 GMT -5
Like john, I would have guessed around 500K buys. 150K is ridiculous. Overeem headlining the free Fox fights seems like a good move and headlining the undercard might be better than being an early fight on the main card. Seems we have seen that is the new strategy in how the lineup fights. Anyone know how the free fights do for views? The CM Punk experiment didn't seem to work out. But with only 150K PPV buys and 2 title fights, they need to do something to generate interest. This gives more power to the Diaz bros, Conor, GSP, Brock coming back crew. Fuck, they might as well offer Ronda 20 million to kick some shitty prospects ass. "Unfortunately, the network averaged just 667,000 eyeballs, the second lowest total of the year behind UFC 224, according to MMA Fighting. That said, the show peaked at 848,000 viewers, who — you guess it — tuned in to watch “The Reem” get destroyed by “Razor” in the third and final round" It surprises me that the WWE pulls 3 times the UFC's peak number, and they do it on a weekly basis. Mir & Fedor pulled 1.5 million for Bellator. Is the fact that two guys in their 40's pulled twice as many viewers as the UFC just did on cable a sign of a decline for the UFC?
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jun 14, 2018 17:56:07 GMT -5
I think it's more a sign of the decline of ppv in general.
PPV should and probably will be true super fights going forward. There's so much fight content to be viewed for free or cheap on streaming services that it's tough to justify ponying up 70 bucks.
Not to get all Loco on the board, but the UFC needs to use the ESPN switch to change some things up. You can only tell everyone how great ppv cards are for so long before it loses it's muster.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 20:32:30 GMT -5
I think it's more a sign of the decline of ppv in general. PPV should and probably will be true super fights going forward. There's so much fight content to be viewed for free or cheap on streaming services that it's tough to justify ponying up 70 bucks. Not to get all Loco on the board, but the UFC needs to use the ESPN switch to change some things up. You can only tell everyone how great ppv cards are for so long before it loses it's muster. I completely agree on the ppv decline. But I was talking about the UFC's numbers on FS1 compared to Bellator's on Paramount. Bellator pulling bigger numbers with bygone stars makes it seem like the UFC's best days could be behind them, as the stars from the last decade are drawing better than the younger athletes in the UFC. Not like they're going out of business any time soon, just that business isn't booming like it used to for them.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jun 15, 2018 9:40:43 GMT -5
"Unfortunately, the network averaged just 667,000 eyeballs, the second lowest total of the year behind UFC 224, according to MMA Fighting. That said, the show peaked at 848,000 viewers, who — you guess it — tuned in to watch “The Reem” get destroyed by “Razor” in the third and final round" It surprises me that the WWE pulls 3 times the UFC's peak number, and they do it on a weekly basis. Mir & Fedor pulled 1.5 million for Bellator. Is the fact that two guys in their 40's pulled twice as many viewers as the UFC just did on cable a sign of a decline for the UFC? I'm not as surprised, the WWE has a great loyal base for years and not only that, the amount of kids that watch it is probably 10 to 1 to those that watch UFC. I'm not going or make excuses just seems Whitaker is not a popular fighter in the states. I don't think he gets the push the other foreign fighter have gotten. The gate did great but of course the UFC does a great job of always putting local fighters on the card. I agree with Andrew with the decline of PPV interest and the insane amount of events as well. Look at the Cowboy/Edwards card, how many fighters do you recognize? Us as hardcores obviously remember the days of 6 PPV and it was easy to know every fighter even when there was no way to watch the prelims... It's still my favorite sport and regardless of how boring it has become to most I still enjoy it, it's high level MMA. Just like jiu-jitsu, watching black belts roll is not always the most exciting because they cancel each other out in so many ways.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 10:16:37 GMT -5
It surprises me that the WWE pulls 3 times the UFC's peak number, and they do it on a weekly basis. Mir & Fedor pulled 1.5 million for Bellator. Is the fact that two guys in their 40's pulled twice as many viewers as the UFC just did on cable a sign of a decline for the UFC? I'm not as surprised, the WWE has a great loyal base for years and not only that, the amount of kids that watch it is probably 10 to 1 to those that watch UFC. I'm not going or make excuses just seems Whitaker is not a popular fighter in the states. I don't think he gets the push the other foreign fighter have gotten. The gate did great but of course the UFC does a great job of always putting local fighters on the card. I agree with Andrew with the decline of PPV interest and the insane amount of events as well. Look at the Cowboy/Edwards card, how many fighters do you recognize? Us as hardcores obviously remember the days of 6 PPV and it was easy to know every fighter even when there was no way to watch the prelims... It's still my favorite sport and regardless of how boring it has become to most I still enjoy it, it's high level MMA. Just like jiu-jitsu, watching black belts roll is not always the most exciting because they cancel each other out in so many ways. Fair. I just remember thinking that the UFC was going to be the death of the WWE once the UFC hit the mainstream, but it hasn't happened like that at all. I also think Bones Jones in particular has a role in the decline as he had all the potential in the world to become a huge breakout star, and he continually screws up outside the cage. The guys at the UFC need to establish enough stars to have them anchor the PPV events and right now they have maybe three or four. All the old names that used to anchor their PPV's are in Bellator now.
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Post by johncfc on Jun 15, 2018 13:25:33 GMT -5
UFC's attorney is claiming the predicted numbers are off by about 100 000.
If true, the buyrate changes from pathetic to terrible.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jun 17, 2018 6:34:28 GMT -5
Tony is saying everything about Bellator/UFC that I’ve been saying for the last 6-8 months. I don’t see people ridiculing him for it. Bellator has been putting on more interesting matchups. UFC is struggling because they blew their wad on Conor and now no one wants to fight unless it’s a “super fight.” UFC should never have let Conor have his way with them.
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Post by johncfc on Jun 17, 2018 10:26:52 GMT -5
Tony is saying everything about Bellator/UFC that I’ve been saying for the last 6-8 months. I don’t see people ridiculing him for it. Bellator has been putting on more interesting matchups. UFC is struggling because they blew their wad on Conor and now no one wants to fight unless it’s a “super fight.” UFC should never have let Conor have his way with them. That's cuz tony doesn't put pussy on a pedestal.
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Post by TheStorm on Jun 18, 2018 0:58:43 GMT -5
Tony is saying everything about Bellator/UFC that I’ve been saying for the last 6-8 months. I don’t see people ridiculing him for it. Bellator has been putting on more interesting matchups. UFC is struggling because they blew their wad on Conor and now no one wants to fight unless it’s a “super fight.” UFC should never have let Conor have his way with them. If you posted like this more often, people would likely take you more serious. We all know what is going on, for the most part, but the whole “haha ufc sucks bitches” approach makes it easy to write you off.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jun 18, 2018 11:49:19 GMT -5
Tony is saying everything about Bellator/UFC that I’ve been saying for the last 6-8 months. I don’t see people ridiculing him for it. Bellator has been putting on more interesting matchups. UFC is struggling because they blew their wad on Conor and now no one wants to fight unless it’s a “super fight.” UFC should never have let Conor have his way with them. If you posted like this more often, people would likely take you more serious. We all know what is going on, for the most part, but the whole “haha ufc sucks bitches” approach makes it easy to write you off. Posted like what? It’s the same fucking thing I’ve been saying for months. Are you offended by the wording or what? JFC.
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Post by MMAJim on Jun 19, 2018 23:05:16 GMT -5
Lets not overlook the fact that UFC worked hard to cheapen the rest of their own product by kowtowing to McNugget. Combine it with Jones being a dip and Rousey being Tito (minus the heart) once the competition caught up and it’s pretty simple. They’ve wiped out all depth in multiple divisions by overpumping McNugget and subsequently lusting after $$ fights. The UFC worked hard to convince the general public that inly McNugget mattered at 155 and 170 even though he would have been whooped fighting through the top five of either division.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jun 20, 2018 10:25:11 GMT -5
How dare you question the UFC here.
That’s blasphemy.
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Post by TheStorm on Jun 20, 2018 17:52:25 GMT -5
If you posted like this more often, people would likely take you more serious. We all know what is going on, for the most part, but the whole “haha ufc sucks bitches” approach makes it easy to write you off. Posted like what? It’s the same fucking thing I’ve been saying for months. Are you offended by the wording or what? JFC. God you’re dumb. A lot of people have said what you have said, and even agreed with you. Point is, you act like a fucking child, and adults will treat you like one, and ignore you. LOL.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jun 20, 2018 18:18:16 GMT -5
Loco uses phrases a child uses, IDGAF JFC, AF...
You can have a very detailed debate with Tony, where Loco, well, he has the attention span of a peanut.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jun 20, 2018 18:32:14 GMT -5
You guys need a Snickers. You’re mad AF.
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Post by TheStorm on Jun 21, 2018 2:05:27 GMT -5
You guys need a Snickers. You’re mad AF. I’m not mad at all, you mentioned Tony saying something you already stated, as if you were clueless as to why he did. I informed you why, because people take him a little more serious. No anger. Just filling you in on things like that, and why you’re dumb, LOL.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jun 29, 2018 10:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by locogato11283 on Jun 29, 2018 11:56:47 GMT -5
Haha. That has ZERO to do with this year.
No Conor, no Jones, no Rhonda.
Their cards have done terrible this year.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jun 29, 2018 12:20:54 GMT -5
Everyone said 2017 was their worst year, only halfway through this year. I don't think you grasp now much more money they make on streaming. They don't have to sell as much, give providers that much of a percentage. UFC is the top dog and will continue to be top dog, don't know why you're so butt hurt over it...
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Post by HumanAgent on Jun 29, 2018 12:27:33 GMT -5
How many times did Conor, Jones and Rhonda fight last year? Jones, once, that's it! Your argument is invalid.
I'd like to see Bellator's numbers lol
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Post by locogato11283 on Jun 29, 2018 14:17:04 GMT -5
The article dedicated an entire paragraph to the Conor/Floyd fight being a big part of it.
UFC hasn’t put on a huge fight yet this year.
Stipe/DC is the biggest fight they can do right now with people that actually fight.
Unless something MAJOR happens in the second half, there’s no way this year will be more successful.
EDIT: According to the article, approximately 25% of their revenue came from a BOXING match. LOL.
Stop trolling in here and go back to the OD.
No one takes you seriously.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jun 29, 2018 14:35:24 GMT -5
You don't think that had Conor fought Nate or for the WW title he would have generated that 25%?
But no Ronda, Conor or Jones...
We'll see next year... I'll gladly wait a year to say I told you so.
How did the UFC make so much money from the boxing match? Could it be that they were streaming it? That's going to be a major source of income for them. That's what you don't understand. They don't have to sell as many PPV and they make more money off each PPV.
How does Bellator make money? With their killer PPVs? LOL go back to the knitting forum...
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Jun 29, 2018 14:49:04 GMT -5
Bellator just announced a streaming platform they're going to.
RIP UFC
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Post by locogato11283 on Jun 29, 2018 15:15:43 GMT -5
I’m not sure why you think I care how much money these companies make. I don’t.
I just know that UFC isn’t as intriguing as it used to be.
And Bellator is shaping up, without the nonsense all the time.
I like MMA. I’m not that into WWE.
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Post by TheStorm on Jun 29, 2018 19:00:45 GMT -5
I’m not sure why you think I care how much money these companies make. I don’t. I just know that UFC isn’t as intriguing as it used to be. And Bellator is shaping up, without the nonsense all the time. I like MMA. I’m not that into WWE. Really motherfucker?! You’re not sure?? LOL
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Post by locogato11283 on Jun 29, 2018 19:09:08 GMT -5
Is there another MMA forum?
You guys are a bunch of parrots.
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