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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2018 23:05:56 GMT -5
So for those of you who don't know who Garry Tonon is, he's one of the best competitive BJJ grapplers and submission grapplers at around 170lbs in the world these days, and he just won his pro MMA debut in One FC and proved he has some pretty heavy hands. I mean this is a guy who SOUGHT OUT a leg lock battle with Palhares and CALLED HIM OUT and went to a draw with him and almost leg locked him, who just subbed Aoki in a BJJ match, who also subbed Held and Imanari with leg locks, has very good wrestling as well. He's only 26, and if he continues to develop his striking I wouldn't be surprised if someday he makes it to the UFC. I never really follow One FC so does anyone know who the champ is in his weight class right now? I'm going to be interested in following his MMA career from here on out. Here's the fight: www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=691&v=yHpycEyNA4c
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Post by locogato11283 on Mar 25, 2018 10:42:20 GMT -5
Decent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 11:28:49 GMT -5
Tonon is fun to watch grapple but I can see an all around journeyman level fighter knocking his dick in the dirt with ease.
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Post by TheStorm on Mar 25, 2018 14:00:12 GMT -5
Anyone see Drew Chatmans celebration in his LFA win? Fucked up and hilarious at the same time. Resulted in being DQ’d!
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Post by TheStorm on Mar 25, 2018 14:09:46 GMT -5
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Post by TheStorm on Mar 25, 2018 14:10:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 14:41:04 GMT -5
Tonon is fun to watch grapple but I can see an all around journeyman level fighter knocking his dick in the dirt with ease. Well he's only had one MMA fight so he's not experienced yet, while his opponent has already had EIGHT fights so that's not fair to say. I mean he kicked a much more experienced fighter's ass. Give him some time and that might not be the case. And if that journeyman goes to the ground with him...not so much, and Tonon has pretty good wrestling. If he keeps improving his standup he could be a force. You should never judge someone immediately on their 1st fight, especially against a guy with 8 times the experience, as to how they'd do against guys with many fights as it's just not fair.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 14:42:46 GMT -5
Anyone see Drew Chatmans celebration in his LFA win? Fucked up and hilarious at the same time. Resulted in being DQ’d! Nice thread hijack lol...but yeah that was SUPER fucked up. The guy was winning and knocked himself out on a bad takedown and that is what gets such a ridiculously improper celebration? IMO guys should get fined for doing that kind of thing. It sets a bad precedent: you should IMO have zero contact with a fighter once the ref says to stop, minus like shaking hands or hugging after the decision is called.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 15:14:26 GMT -5
Nevermind, I found out that the guy who did the flip got disqualified and I'm happy about that.
That'll teach him for being such an asshole to celebrate in such a dumb way, especially after he didn't even do anything to get the win and the other guy knocked himself out.
Now he gets to be that guy who everyone says "aren't you the dude who got DQ'd for backflipping off of the guy who knocked himself out?" and being shamed for the rest of his career hahhaaa.
Karma is a bitch.
Now learn to be respectful.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 15:24:31 GMT -5
Tonons opponent was rather sub par competition. I won't bother to look up his record because I'm pretty sure it's nothing impressive. He was basically paid to go in there and give Tonon his coming out party. And he did.
Let's see what happens when Tonon has to be challenged a bit. Bjj players don't tend to rally back well in mma.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 15:31:24 GMT -5
Tonons opponent was rather sub par competition. I won't bother to look up his record because I'm pretty sure it's nothing impressive. He was basically paid to go in there and give Tonon his coming out party. And he did. Let's see what happens when Tonon has to be challenged a bit. Bjj players don't tend to rally back well in mma. He was only 4-4 but that's 8 times the competition of Tonon and Tonon smoked him. In what other sport would a person get overly critical of a person's debut? I mean I don't follow other sports but did people shit all over Michael Jordon if the first time he ever played baseball he didn't do well? Only SOME of grappling applies directly to MMA and Tonon has a lot of skills to learn but he's only 26 and has showed he has hands. I call bullshit on the "BJJ players rarely rally back well in MMA" comment. I mean I'm not even sure what that means, but there's been tons of BJJ players who have learned to fight at the highest levels so that is just a gross overstatement. Most of the people who have seen it are pretty impressed because a world class grappler (who also has good wrestling not just BJJ) has now proven he has hands. He could have gotten the sub but got the TKO victory. It's like everytime anyone does anything good you immediately look at the negative and I don't get it. The takeaway is that he looked good in his debut and if he continues to improve his striking he might be able to go quite far but we don't really know how far. To immediately say "yeah, if he fights someone who's 10-0 who's a great striker with sick TDD he'll lose" (kind of like what you are saying...) right away, is just not fair. Give the kid some time at least before we make judgement calls. He looked great for his first fight.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 15:35:21 GMT -5
I just looked up his opponents record...not a good look. That's the definition of a can, or a fighter that will throw a fight for a payday.
Everyone's stand up looks amazing when nothing worth a shit is being returned. I'm gonna have to see more before I can truly give a fuck. You guys think they give him another can or 3 before he gets in there with anyone legit?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 15:43:35 GMT -5
I just looked up his opponents record...not a good look. That's the definition of a can, or a fighter that will throw a fight for a payday. Everyone's stand up looks amazing when nothing worth a shit is being returned. I'm gonna have to see more before I can truly give a fuck. You guys think they give him another can or 3 before he gets in there with anyone legit? Dude, EVERYONE fights a can in their first fight. You are so incredibly critical of everything. I mean, do you do it in real life? If your friend gets a good job and has a good first day do you go "that's great I guess...but remember it's only your first day and you haven't faced real challenges yet so there's a good chance you'll be fired in a few months?" hahahaha. I'm not so critical of people as that. IMO fighters SHOULD get their first few opponents to be easier...and in fact...if he wasn't experienced in BJJ he'd have probably gotten someone who instead of being 4-4 was like 0-1 or 1-2 or even another guy making a debut. The point is: he had better hands then some thought, and he could have potential. We don't know he will be a good fighter, but we know he's one of the best in the world on the ground, and he doesn't have pathetic stand up, so he'll be interesting to follow. And no...NOT everyone looks great standing fighting cans, some still get knocked out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 19:03:21 GMT -5
Anyone see Drew Chatmans celebration in his LFA win? Fucked up and hilarious at the same time. Resulted in being DQ’d! That was probably the highlight of the weekend!
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Post by boboplata on Mar 26, 2018 14:19:33 GMT -5
Richard and I were the only filipinos in the gym back when I was training in Malaysia. Decent enough guy but he's not a full time fighter. He only train because he gets paid to run striking classes for fitness, privates and the occasional mma fight. He didn't even know about mma until he got to Malaysia.
I knew he would lose the moment the fight was announced. No shame in losing to Tonon who's skillset is way beyond Richard's.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2018 22:23:06 GMT -5
Richard and I were the only filipinos in the gym back when I was training in Malaysia. Decent enough guy but he's not a full time fighter. He only train because he gets paid to run striking classes for fitness, privates and the occasional mma fight. He didn't even know about mma until he got to Malaysia. I knew he would lose the moment the fight was announced. No shame in losing to Tonon who's skillset is way beyond Richard's. That's cool that you know him. I still don't think there's any reason anyone can be criticized for fighting and beating a guy who's had 8 fights in his debut. I mean even though Tonon is well known in BJJ almost everyone fights a can in their first fight and most guys making their debuts fight guys with even fewer fights. I've looked at some of the first opponents of some well known and respected fighters and there are a lot of shitty opponents. Point in case: Jon Jones' 1st opponent is 0-2 Conor's 1st opponent is 8-10 Anderson's 1st opponent is 2-5 B.J. Penn's 1st opponent is 2-3 Couture's 1st opponent is 0-4 Barely anyone fights someone great in their 1st fight cause it won't usually get signed by a commission cause they need a new fighter for it to be considered safe.
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Post by boboplata on Mar 26, 2018 23:30:44 GMT -5
Richard and I were the only filipinos in the gym back when I was training in Malaysia. Decent enough guy but he's not a full time fighter. He only train because he gets paid to run striking classes for fitness, privates and the occasional mma fight. He didn't even know about mma until he got to Malaysia. I knew he would lose the moment the fight was announced. No shame in losing to Tonon who's skillset is way beyond Richard's. That's cool that you know him. I still don't think there's any reason anyone can be criticized for fighting and beating a guy who's had 8 fights in his debut. I mean even though Tonon is well known in BJJ almost everyone fights a can in their first fight and most guys making their debuts fight guys with even fewer fights. I've looked at some of the first opponents of some well known and respected fighters and there are a lot of shitty opponents. Point in case: Jon Jones' 1st opponent is 0-2 Conor's 1st opponent is 8-10 Anderson's 1st opponent is 2-5 B.J. Penn's 1st opponent is 2-3 Couture's 1st opponent is 0-4 Barely anyone fights someone great in their 1st fight cause it won't usually get signed by a commission cause they need a new fighter for it to be considered safe. One FC has a future superstar that would get Askrened by Dana.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 9:35:16 GMT -5
I can see them tossing Gary a few easy bones like this. I'm thinking at least his next 4 or 5 fights.
After that, I'll start to take him seriously. Until then, just over hype can crusher for bjj fanboys to go googoo over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 17:16:34 GMT -5
Did any of you catch that suplex at this event? Guy got dq'd for it. Folded his opponent, looked nasty.
I'd post a link but on my phone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2018 22:54:50 GMT -5
That's cool that you know him. I still don't think there's any reason anyone can be criticized for fighting and beating a guy who's had 8 fights in his debut. I mean even though Tonon is well known in BJJ almost everyone fights a can in their first fight and most guys making their debuts fight guys with even fewer fights. I've looked at some of the first opponents of some well known and respected fighters and there are a lot of shitty opponents. Point in case: Jon Jones' 1st opponent is 0-2 Conor's 1st opponent is 8-10 Anderson's 1st opponent is 2-5 B.J. Penn's 1st opponent is 2-3 Couture's 1st opponent is 0-4 Barely anyone fights someone great in their 1st fight cause it won't usually get signed by a commission cause they need a new fighter for it to be considered safe. One FC has a future superstar that would get Askrened by Dana. Who is it?
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Post by boboplata on Mar 28, 2018 5:28:16 GMT -5
One FC has a future superstar that would get Askrened by Dana. Who is it? Tonon, duh! When are you gonna get your blackbelt? Do you still train regularly?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2018 21:30:49 GMT -5
Tonon, duh! When are you gonna get your blackbelt? Do you still train regularly? LOL Who knows when I'll get it. Getting my black belt isn't a priority these days, it's just getting better at all martial arts overall so I don't think about that much and I know it'll just eventually happen and I haven't trained with the gi on for a few months now as no-gi has always more been my thing. I have been doing no-gi BJJ about 2 days a week and boxing about 3 days a week lately but I'm gonna up my training more soon and get back to some gi classes as well as the MMA class once my cardio gets a bit better.
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