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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 14, 2018 13:14:10 GMT -5
Joe Rogan discussed this fight yesterday as a possibility. I cant see it happening, but who would you take?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 6:48:39 GMT -5
Lol. A one legged Floyd with 40 ounce gloves on would make easy work of Punk.
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 15, 2018 9:47:10 GMT -5
In MMA, you'd still almost have to say CM Grapple. However, if Mayweather rolled even a little bit over the years for workouts and conditioning. He may have the little it would take to avoid an as yet to be seen ground attack from CM and therefore let him work from an advantage on the feet.
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Post by ocmmafan on Feb 15, 2018 10:21:37 GMT -5
In an MMA fight? CM Punk would easily take down Floyd and GnP him out or submit with any kind of arm lock or choke. Punk's 2 years grappling with UFC caliber fighters, plus being the larger man? Floyd won't overcome the grappling long enough to KO him.
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Post by HumanAgent on Feb 15, 2018 10:29:00 GMT -5
Odds
Punk -300 Floyd +220
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 15:03:35 GMT -5
Nobody watch Punk's fight against Gall? Homeboy came forward like a rock em sock em robot. He would get blasted. Randy, CM Punk is not. He isn't hitting a low single or blast double because he is awkward and unathletic. Floyd, at 40 would still have the footwork and agility to bounce Punk's head off the mat 22 times.
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Post by HumanAgent on Feb 16, 2018 16:39:08 GMT -5
Nobody watch Punk's fight against Gall? Homeboy came forward like a rock em sock em robot. He would get blasted. Randy, CM Punk is not. He isn't hitting a low single or blast double because he is awkward and unathletic. Floyd, at 40 would still have the footwork and agility to bounce Punk's head off the mat 22 times. I didn't make the odds pal!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 17:03:38 GMT -5
Nobody watch Punk's fight against Gall? Homeboy came forward like a rock em sock em robot. He would get blasted. Randy, CM Punk is not. He isn't hitting a low single or blast double because he is awkward and unathletic. Floyd, at 40 would still have the footwork and agility to bounce Punk's head off the mat 22 times. I didn't make the odds pal! I didn't say you did. Lol. Just people that think an unathletic pro wrassler with 2 years of grappling is going to be able to close the distance and grapple the best boxer of our generation is laughable to me. Nearly anybody else in the UFC and I would pick them over Floyd, just not CM Bum.
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Post by ocmmafan on Feb 16, 2018 22:43:46 GMT -5
Unathletic? Dude, those fake wrestler are actors, but I would hardly describe them as unathletic?? He's 6'2 and probably 40 pounds larger than Floyd, and this is not a boxing match. Of course he is a 3-1 favorite because Vegas understands how out of the water Floyd is with his size and total lack of grappling. He's also younger than Floyd.
I can't imagine Floyd would ever get in a MMA ring because it's too risky.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 7:14:03 GMT -5
Unathletic? Dude, those fake wrestler are actors, but I would hardly describe them as unathletic?? He's 6'2 and probably 40 pounds larger than Floyd, and this is not a boxing match. Of course he is a 3-1 favorite because Vegas understands how out of the water Floyd is with his size and total lack of grappling. He's also younger than Floyd. I can't imagine Floyd would ever get in a MMA ring because it's too risky. OH, I know wrestlers are super athletic but CM Punk was not one of them. He isn't hitting moonsAult, shooting star presses, showing great displays of strength or any other crazy athletic moves. Punk was a solid worker that gained popularity though his mic skills. However, he was never a super athletic guy and definitely not compared to Floyd, even at 40. I don't think you can take a never fighter, give them 2 years of grappling (along with other disciplines that he must split his time with) and expect him to hang, in a fight with a mega-successful boxer with the expectation that he would perform like Royce did or Randy did with James Tony.
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Post by ocmmafan on Feb 17, 2018 9:34:53 GMT -5
Having a hard time finding ANY video of legit CM grappling. You may be right and his "two years" may be simply time to fabricate hype. He may not be any kind of fighter at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 11:45:24 GMT -5
Having a hard time finding ANY video of legit CM grappling. You may be right and his "two years" may be simply time to fabricate hype. He may not be any kind of fighter at all. I didn't realize he signed in 2014, so it is at least 3 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 17:36:30 GMT -5
I had over 8 years of grappling, some competitive. About 3 years of boxing, couple smokers but nothing big. Even wrestled for a season in hs.
Even pre injuries and age, I'm pretty sure Floyd would fuck me up. Punk is sure to get smoked.
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Post by slaytan on Feb 18, 2018 16:45:02 GMT -5
I had over 8 years of grappling, some competitive. About 3 years of boxing, couple smokers but nothing big. Even wrestled for a season in hs. Even pre injuries and age, I'm pretty sure Floyd would fuck me up. Punk is sure to get smoked. I don’t know... are you small? I feel like 29 year old Slaytan would make easy work of Floyd, provided he didn’t pitter patter me out on my way in. I wouldn’t have bet my house on me, but I would have bet my truck. Especially in a street fight where I could use headbutts. If a boxer gets on his back he has absolutely no way to inflict damage
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Post by boboplata on Feb 18, 2018 17:49:41 GMT -5
I had over 8 years of grappling, some competitive. About 3 years of boxing, couple smokers but nothing big. Even wrestled for a season in hs. Even pre injuries and age, I'm pretty sure Floyd would fuck me up. Punk is sure to get smoked. Really? I think Floyd can be competitive against me if all does is takedown defense for 6 months. Even then, I'd just spam Imanari rolls and bring his leg home.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 19:13:49 GMT -5
I had over 8 years of grappling, some competitive. About 3 years of boxing, couple smokers but nothing big. Even wrestled for a season in hs. Even pre injuries and age, I'm pretty sure Floyd would fuck me up. Punk is sure to get smoked. Really? I think Floyd can be competitive against me if all does is takedown defense for 6 months. Even then, I'd just spam Imanari rolls and bring his leg home. Mmmmm.... I miss sushi.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 19:42:38 GMT -5
I'm 5'11 and competed at 160 lbs in bjj. I walked around back then a little over 170.
I'm pretty sure Floyd would light me up. This isn't just some random guy that can box. That hand speed is something I am sure I have never witnessed coming at me before.
Maybe I am wrong. I've trained/sparred against guys that were or would turn pro. I know what I could do at 28, 29. Still don't know I could fuck with best boxer of all time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 21:43:17 GMT -5
People don't understand how they would fair with a professional fighter. I heard someone in another board put it like this: why is boxing/MMA the only sport where people think they can take a pro? You don't hear many people say they can take LeBron James in basketball or strike out A Rod but for some reason they think a pro fighter is somehow different because in the streets blah blah blah. I knew a 15 year old boxer that would probably murderize everyone on this board before they knew what happened. You are not beating Floyd in a fight. Unless you are well versed in some type of Thai, kickboxing etc or a strong wrestler with some BJJ, you are getting slept. I don't think your average blue belt weekend tourney competitor is doing anything.
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Post by MMAJim on Feb 18, 2018 22:29:08 GMT -5
People don't understand how they would fair with a professional fighter. I heard someone in another board put it like this: why is boxing/MMA the only sport where people think they can take a pro? You don't hear many people say they can take LeBron James in basketball or strike out A Rod but for some reason they think a pro fighter is somehow different because in the streets blah blah blah. I knew a 15 year old boxer that would probably murderize everyone on this board before they knew what happened. You are not beating Floyd in a fight. Unless you are well versed in some type of Thai, kickboxing etc or a strong wrestler with some BJJ, you are getting slept. I don't think your average blue belt weekend tourney competitor is doing anything. So you are or are not taking CM Punk in this? This sounds like not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 6:38:00 GMT -5
People don't understand how they would fair with a professional fighter. I heard someone in another board put it like this: why is boxing/MMA the only sport where people think they can take a pro? You don't hear many people say they can take LeBron James in basketball or strike out A Rod but for some reason they think a pro fighter is somehow different because in the streets blah blah blah. I knew a 15 year old boxer that would probably murderize everyone on this board before they knew what happened. You are not beating Floyd in a fight. Unless you are well versed in some type of Thai, kickboxing etc or a strong wrestler with some BJJ, you are getting slept. I don't think your average blue belt weekend tourney competitor is doing anything. So you are or are not taking CM Punk in this? This sounds like not. Unless he has some tape showing some God-like improvement, no. Even if he has improved his BJJ he needs a way to get it to the ground because while different, it would still be hard to control Floyd in the clinch. If he showed some good explosiveness and different combinations with his takedown, I would bet the house on him but Punk isn't Lesnar. Readers Digest version: No.
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Post by slaytan on Feb 19, 2018 8:59:31 GMT -5
People don't understand how they would fair with a professional fighter. it’s “fare” I could beat Shaq at a game of HORSE or a free throw competition. “B-but he’s a pro!” MMA has weight classes for a reason. 90% of highly physically fit, coordinated 220 lb men with wrestling experience would crush Floyd in a street fight or MMa 90% the time. Not Mike Tyson or Roy Jones. Floyd. Size matters. Just like if there were weight classes in the NFL, a 220 lb man would bust through the best offensive line in the 150 lb league and Harry the quarterback on every dropback.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 13:16:48 GMT -5
People don't understand how they would fair with a professional fighter. it’s “fare” I could beat Shaq at a game of HORSE or a free throw competition. “B-but he’s a pro!” MMA has weight classes for a reason. 90% of highly physically fit, coordinated 220 lb men with wrestling experience would crush Floyd in a street fight or MMa 90% the time. Not Mike Tyson or Roy Jones. Floyd. Size matters. Just like if there were weight classes in the NFL, a 220 lb man would bust through the best offensive line in the 150 lb league and Harry the quarterback on every dropback. You could possibly beat a center with one of the worst free throw averages in basketball in a free throw competition? Well, I could beat Jon Jones at checkers but who gives a shit. The problem is you aren't a 220 lb physically fit dude with wrestling experience so the point is moot. You are an alleged Toughman competitor with a fake southpaw stance. Floyd is beating the brakes off you with little effort. Weightclasses exist within PROFESSIONAL sports because size does matter and I've never disputed that. It's okay to admit a black dude who is the best boxer in the world would beat your ass. Is there a possibility you can wrestle him to the ground? Yeah, but there is a chance I can win the lottery, should I start playing it regularly? Nope.
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Post by TheStorm on Feb 19, 2018 17:18:20 GMT -5
People don't understand how they would fair with a professional fighter. I heard someone in another board put it like this: why is boxing/MMA the only sport where people think they can take a pro? You don't hear many people say they can take LeBron James in basketball or strike out A Rod but for some reason they think a pro fighter is somehow different because in the streets blah blah blah. I knew a 15 year old boxer that would probably murderize everyone on this board before they knew what happened. You are not beating Floyd in a fight. Unless you are well versed in some type of Thai, kickboxing etc or a strong wrestler with some BJJ, you are getting slept. I don't think your average blue belt weekend tourney competitor is doing anything. I’m not saying this is my point of view, but fighting is a more instinctive “skill” ... to a certain degree... than baseball or basketball. There are also more variables that can happen in fighting, such as a lucky punch or slip, whereas in baseball, and basketball require much more developed skills. Just my assumption as to why people believe they can fight a fighter.
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Post by slaytan on Feb 19, 2018 18:29:28 GMT -5
it’s “fare” I could beat Shaq at a game of HORSE or a free throw competition. “B-but he’s a pro!” MMA has weight classes for a reason. 90% of highly physically fit, coordinated 220 lb men with wrestling experience would crush Floyd in a street fight or MMa 90% the time. Not Mike Tyson or Roy Jones. Floyd. Size matters. Just like if there were weight classes in the NFL, a 220 lb man would bust through the best offensive line in the 150 lb league and Harry the quarterback on every dropback. You could possibly beat a center with one of the worst free throw averages in basketball in a free throw competition? Well, I could beat Jon Jones at checkers but who gives a shit. The problem is you aren't a 220 lb physically fit dude with wrestling experience so the point is moot. You are an alleged Toughman competitor with a fake southpaw stance. Floyd is beating the brakes off you with little effort. Weightclasses exist within PROFESSIONAL sports because size does matter and I've never disputed that. It's okay to admit a black dude who is the best boxer in the world would beat your ass. Is there a possibility you can wrestle him to the ground? Yeah, but there is a chance I can win the lottery, should I start playing it regularly? Nope. I see what you’re saying, but the 100% only way that Floyd beats a 220 lb man with high school wrestling experience is by KO in 5 seconds. You say that the chances of that are basically 100%. Take “me” (and your own huffy ego) out of the equation. Fine. Floyd beats me 101/ 100, but that’s because I’m a punk/ pussy keyboard warrior blowhard. Now picture your average hardon cop who weighs 220 lbs, runs 3 miles in under 18 minutes, wrestled a year in junior college and even did a little karate ( not even standing out in either category). He fucking destroys Floyd around 85% of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 18:48:49 GMT -5
You could possibly beat a center with one of the worst free throw averages in basketball in a free throw competition? Well, I could beat Jon Jones at checkers but who gives a shit. The problem is you aren't a 220 lb physically fit dude with wrestling experience so the point is moot. You are an alleged Toughman competitor with a fake southpaw stance. Floyd is beating the brakes off you with little effort. Weightclasses exist within PROFESSIONAL sports because size does matter and I've never disputed that. It's okay to admit a black dude who is the best boxer in the world would beat your ass. Is there a possibility you can wrestle him to the ground? Yeah, but there is a chance I can win the lottery, should I start playing it regularly? Nope. I see what you’re saying, but the 100% only way that Floyd beats a 220 lb man with high school wrestling experience is by KO in 5 seconds. You say that the chances of that are basically 100%. Take “me” (and your own huffy ego) out of the equation. Fine. Floyd beats me 101/ 100, but that’s because I’m a punk/ pussy keyboard warrior blowhard. Now picture your average hardon cop who weighs 220 lbs, runs 3 miles in under 18 minutes, wrestled a year in junior college and even did a little karate ( not even standing out in either category). He fucking destroys Floyd around 85% of the time. I never said I could kick his ass either. I'm not a tough guy. I know how to fight but I could possibly fold like a lawn chair when I get cracked for realz.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 18:56:37 GMT -5
People don't understand how they would fair with a professional fighter. I heard someone in another board put it like this: why is boxing/MMA the only sport where people think they can take a pro? You don't hear many people say they can take LeBron James in basketball or strike out A Rod but for some reason they think a pro fighter is somehow different because in the streets blah blah blah. I knew a 15 year old boxer that would probably murderize everyone on this board before they knew what happened. You are not beating Floyd in a fight. Unless you are well versed in some type of Thai, kickboxing etc or a strong wrestler with some BJJ, you are getting slept. I don't think your average blue belt weekend tourney competitor is doing anything. I’m not saying this is my point of view, but fighting is a more instinctive “skill” ... to a certain degree... than baseball or basketball. There are also more variables that can happen in fighting, such as a lucky punch or slip, whereas in baseball, and basketball require much more developed skills. Just my assumption as to why people believe they can fight a fighter. I think it comes down to, as Garth stated, ego. Saying a pro player can cross you up and dunk on you is a little easier to swallow than admitting another grown man could sleep you and make sweet, sweet love to you and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. That is tough to take, knowing someone could literally kill you and the only thing you can do is run or roll over. That and these tough guys beat up other nobodies and don't know what it is like to step in the ring with a legitimate badass. Hometown heros are undefeated in their podunk town and think they are something. I remember when a dude name Juan from Chicago came to our local boxing gym. Within 3 weeks literally nobody showed up to spar because he was smoking the local "pros." Then Juan got KO'd and ended up with a head bleed after sparring other pros and now has seizures. Moral of the story, people that are big fish in small ponds think they are a lot tougher than they are.
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Post by daywork on Feb 19, 2018 20:11:44 GMT -5
Floyd would smoke CM Punk. Punk would get KO'd as he went in for a TD. I don't think Punk has the speed, footwork or skill to beat Floyd. I think it would look like Ronda vs Nunes. Someone trying to tie up and go for a TD while getting lite the fuck up.
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Post by agrappleaday on Feb 19, 2018 22:51:28 GMT -5
Now picture your average hardon cop who weighs 220 lbs, runs 3 miles in under 18 minutes, wrestled a year in junior college and even did a little karate ( not even standing out in either category). He fucking destroys Floyd around 85% of the time. I never said I could kick his ass either. I'm not a tough guy. I know how to fight but I could possibly fold like a lawn chair when I get cracked for realz. There is absolutely nothing "average" about any cop running sub 6 minute miles for 3 miles in a row. Not to mention a 220 lb dude. You are essentially speaking of borderline freak athlete type of individuals, nothing average about that scenario. Even if the dude has a boner, as you suggest, I don't see how he runs any faster. Aerodynamics?
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Post by TheStorm on Feb 20, 2018 0:23:31 GMT -5
I’m not saying this is my point of view, but fighting is a more instinctive “skill” ... to a certain degree... than baseball or basketball. There are also more variables that can happen in fighting, such as a lucky punch or slip, whereas in baseball, and basketball require much more developed skills. Just my assumption as to why people believe they can fight a fighter. I think it comes down to, as Garth stated, ego. Saying a pro player can cross you up and dunk on you is a little easier to swallow than admitting another grown man could sleep you and make sweet, sweet love to you and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. That is tough to take, knowing someone could literally kill you and the only thing you can do is run or roll over. That and these tough guys beat up other nobodies and don't know what it is like to step in the ring with a legitimate badass. Hometown heros are undefeated in their podunk town and think they are something. I remember when a dude name Juan from Chicago came to our local boxing gym. Within 3 weeks literally nobody showed up to spar because he was smoking the local "pros." Then Juan got KO'd and ended up with a head bleed after sparring other pros and now has seizures. Moral of the story, people that are big fish in small ponds think they are a lot tougher than they are. Oh definitely. Men have the natural instinct to “fight” and “defend”, so to admit that someone else could make you their bitch very quickly and easily is a lot harder to say out loud, then saying a professional basketball player would school you at something that you have never tried to be good at.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 8:17:04 GMT -5
I think it comes down to, as Garth stated, ego. Saying a pro player can cross you up and dunk on you is a little easier to swallow than admitting another grown man could sleep you and make sweet, sweet love to you and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. That is tough to take, knowing someone could literally kill you and the only thing you can do is run or roll over. That and these tough guys beat up other nobodies and don't know what it is like to step in the ring with a legitimate badass. Hometown heros are undefeated in their podunk town and think they are something. I remember when a dude name Juan from Chicago came to our local boxing gym. Within 3 weeks literally nobody showed up to spar because he was smoking the local "pros." Then Juan got KO'd and ended up with a head bleed after sparring other pros and now has seizures. Moral of the story, people that are big fish in small ponds think they are a lot tougher than they are. Oh definitely. Men have the natural instinct to “fight” and “defend”, so to admit that someone else could make you their bitch very quickly and easily is a lot harder to say out loud, then saying a professional basketball player would school you at something that you have never tried to be good at. I think it is also healthy in a way. You have no chance of ever winning a fight if you know you are going to lose so if you have to do it you better hype yourself up enough to go for broke. As JRod has said in the past about being willing to bleed and spit out your teeth to protect the one you love is a necessity. I know Jon Jones would rape me in anyway he would want but I wouldn't admit it of there was a real chance we ever were going to fight. Only chance I have is a quick sucker punch but instead of closed fist I would try to shove my fingers through his eyeballs. Either that or shoot him. I could probably get away with that if I showed his highlight reel in the courtroom. Your honor I didn't want to be Lyoto Machida so I shot him. Case dismissed.
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