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Post by kristhegreasedpig on Jan 14, 2018 2:40:58 GMT -5
Why the hell aren’t fight division height based? It’s not variable, you fight in your height class, no weight cutting needed no worries of fights being called off due to dehydration, everybody fights at a natural common denominator! Why was weight decided? Nobody in s weight division has that much different heights, unless you get guys like Corey Hill or Sean Sherk, but those fighters are outliers in their divisions anyways.
Want an even playing field and to stop weight cutting, change the factor that you measure. Height, and you decide what weight is best for you! Simple, to me....
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Post by boboplata on Jan 14, 2018 3:22:56 GMT -5
Why the hell aren’t fight division height based? It’s not variable, you fight in your height class, no weight cutting needed no worries of fights being called off due to dehydration, everybody fights at a natural common denominator! Why was weight decided? Nobody in s weight division has that much different heights, unless you get guys like Corey Hill or Sean Sherk, but those fighters are outliers in their divisions anyways. Want an even playing field and to stop weight cutting, change the factor that you measure. Height, and you decide what weight is best for you! Simple, to me.... Fuck that. I compete at 141 lbs in bjj. I enjoy my significant height advantage. You also have to factor in frames and bone structure. These are not outliers. Lots of tall, skinny people out there.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 14, 2018 5:02:06 GMT -5
Haha. Why not just fight at natural weight classes? Problem solved. I’ve been saying this for years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 6:04:50 GMT -5
So, Pat Berry would have fought at lightweight? Someone didn't think this through.
Stricter penalties for missing weight. Hall should now be forced to fight in 205 his next outing. When a fighter in a heavier promoted fight misses weight, it costs the promotion, it cheats the opponent out of potential glory and of a payday. And of course, it doesn't do any favors with the fans.
Ban these guys for a few fights from the weight classes they were cutting to. Imo, it's the only way. You can put more regulation in the form of inspectors checking weights in the weeks leading up to the fight, in order to try and force a more natural fighting weight. But i feel that's a lot of nonsense involved and not to mention the hassle of the logistics behind it.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 14, 2018 10:48:24 GMT -5
What's so hard about fighting at whatever weight class you walk around at?
I have been waiting YEARS for a legitimate argument as to why it makes sense to cut 15-25 pounds, weight in, gain it all back and then fight.
So, if you walk around at 190 pounds, cut to 170 for less than an hour, gain it all back and fight at 190, you're a WW? Sure, that makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 22:18:25 GMT -5
Why the hell aren’t fight division height based? It’s not variable, you fight in your height class, no weight cutting needed no worries of fights being called off due to dehydration, everybody fights at a natural common denominator! Why was weight decided? Nobody in s weight division has that much different heights, unless you get guys like Corey Hill or Sean Sherk, but those fighters are outliers in their divisions anyways. Want an even playing field and to stop weight cutting, change the factor that you measure. Height, and you decide what weight is best for you! Simple, to me.... I'll give you credit for thinking outside the box but sorry, I don't think this is a good idea. Height does not determine how much someone will weigh due muscle or fat. I mean sure, taller dudes have more body so that will add to weight but some people are naturally tall and skinny and will naturally be lighter than shorter guys who are built to carry more muscle. The very simple solution the weight cutting problem is simply to do hydration tests both 24 hours before the fight and right before the fight to insure that the guys aren't cutting too much weight. If the hydration tests show you are dehydrated then you can't fight.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 14, 2018 22:25:35 GMT -5
That’s fucking dumb and solves nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 23:45:37 GMT -5
That’s fucking dumb and solves nothing. What are you fucking talking about you moron? That's the solution that's been used to stop weight cutting in wrestling. If a fighter is shown to be fully hydrated it means they didn't cut weight...hence they are their natural weight. If they are dehydrated they were cutting weight. So you check their weight as well a week before the fight to see what weight they are, and that would also be kept in mind, that they can't weigh significantly less the day of the fight. Then you test hydration levels the night before because that's when they'd be finishing the weight cutting and the dehydration. Then you also check the day of the fight. It WOULD solve the problem. I swear to god, everything I read about you on this forum makes me dislike you. You are the crudest, most unthoughtful, most simple minded, type of fool who thinks the world revolves around nothing but himself. I bet you've never done a good thing for another human being not related to you in your whole fucking life.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 14, 2018 23:59:09 GMT -5
Blah blah blah. Long post, more dumb stuff.
The answer is they fight at their walk around weight class. Pretty simple. Sorry that’s over your head.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 0:08:15 GMT -5
Blah blah blah. Long post, more dumb stuff. The answer is they fight at their walk around weight class. Pretty simple. Sorry that’s over your head. Hey moron, how do you make sure you know what their walking weight is?? Like I said, check their weight a week before, maybe a month before also? Sounds good to me. Then you make sure they aren't dehydrating themselves. The fighters can make different arguments about what their true "walking weights" are if you don't test their hydration levels. You have to make sure they aren't cutting weight you idiot. Otherwise you can't stop them. And once again, everything I see from you on this forum shows me you'd kill a new born baby to save your own skin. I'm not even gonna name examples to get into it, I just realized the other day that you are the exact kind of mean prick who I am very glad to avoid as much as possible in my day to day life. The kind of guy who couldn't give two shits about anyone but himself.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 15, 2018 0:34:17 GMT -5
Your assessment couldn’t be anymore inaccurate.
If you had said that I’m smArter than you, I could’ve got on board with that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 0:51:25 GMT -5
Your assessment couldn’t be anymore inaccurate. If you had said that I’m smArter than you, I could’ve got on board with that. Yeah right LOL. I don't know what you think is inaccurate, my assessment of YOU or of the weight cutting situation. I guarantee BOTH are correct. But I'll tell you, I'm SLIGHTLY more likely to be incorrect about the weight cutting (though I'm still right about it) than I am in being wrong about you. Every now and then someone's personality screams at me from the other end of the internet as if to say "keep in mind, this is the kind of guy you'd never want to hang out with in real life". That kind of person is you.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 15, 2018 2:02:22 GMT -5
The feeling is likely mutual, but the difference is I don’t have any idea what kind of person you are, other than the type that’s grossly inaccurate of a person they’ve never met on the internet.
I really don’t hang out with people like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 3:01:34 GMT -5
The feeling is likely mutual, but the difference is I don’t have any idea what kind of person you are, other than the type that’s grossly inaccurate of a person they’ve never met on the internet. I really don’t hang out with people like that. It's not inaccurate. Unless the things you post have literally nothing to do with who you are as a person, I can tell enough from the kind of things you say that you don't care about anyone but yourself and maybe like 2 other people. I don't need to point out posts that prove it, but there's some recent ones that do.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 15, 2018 3:30:00 GMT -5
LOL, OK Jackel.
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Post by kristhegreasedpig on Jan 15, 2018 7:14:05 GMT -5
So far I haven’t really seen a good argument against it, just that taller lighter fighters like the advantage they have. Height , not weight, is one factor nobody can fuck with. Ignore weight class, pat Berry would not be a lw, he would fight within his height class. Weight was somehow given as the arbitrary limiting factor, but we are seeing a lot of problems with that. Nobody could possibly miss a fight due to height classes, and it’s up to you to use what you have to fight best. Therefore more fighters would fight near their walking weight IMO, and less time/energy would be expended on stupid shit like weight cutting. If you are scared to fight the Sean Sherk/Pat Berry of your division, either find a new sport or get better at what you need to defeat them.
Other than it’s not done that way, why not?? Why not use a limiting factor that nobody can adjust for, one that cannot be manipulated and one that will not ever cause fighters to miss a fight.
I’m not saying it ever will be, nor that I want it to be, but I still feel it’s the most fair way to classify fighters!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 11:01:12 GMT -5
Pat Berry vs Pat Healy sound fair to You?
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 15, 2018 12:07:05 GMT -5
Pat Berry vs Pat Healy sound fair to You? Maybe we could put adult midgets against kids too. Dude is dumb. Don't waste your time.
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Post by boboplata on Jan 15, 2018 12:27:12 GMT -5
Kris is bored. Let Kris post. Toehold already covered it. One FC's been doing hydration tests/regular monitoring of their fighters for a couple of years now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 14:03:43 GMT -5
Kris is bored. Let Kris post. Toehold already covered it. One FC's been doing hydration tests/regular monitoring of their fighters for a couple of years now. And look at that. Bobo agrees with me. Not a stupid idea. It works.
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Post by boboplata on Jan 15, 2018 21:49:57 GMT -5
Kris is bored. Let Kris post. Toehold already covered it. One FC's been doing hydration tests/regular monitoring of their fighters for a couple of years now. And look at that. Bobo agrees with me. Not a stupid idea. It works. Idk how they make it work tho. Sounds labor intensive. Company man goes to fight camps and measure hydration levels of all fighters in every stage of training. Most are training in Asia. Jungle Asia. Don't want to be that guy.
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Post by hammerfaust on Jan 17, 2018 14:10:52 GMT -5
Pat Berry vs Pat Healy sound fair to You? How about: Mark Hunt vs Max Holloway? Mark Hunt vs Alex Caceres? Sorry, but 'height class' is not a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 16:53:31 GMT -5
Daniel Cormier vs Max Holloway
Robert Whitaker vs Max Holloway
Yeah, not a good idea.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 17, 2018 17:33:16 GMT -5
Stupid fucking idea.
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Post by jamesod on Jan 18, 2018 9:56:06 GMT -5
Like everything else in life of importance, divisions should be based on dick size.
Makes about as much sense as the OP, I think.
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Post by boboplata on Jan 18, 2018 18:29:12 GMT -5
Like everything else in life of importance, divisions should be based on dick size. Makes about as much sense as the OP, I think. Stipe Miocic vs Mighty Mouse Jon Jones vs Cyborg
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