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Post by jamesod on Feb 14, 2018 14:33:47 GMT -5
My point is that Jacare is PAST HIS PRIME. You need me to support that argument?? Seems obvious that his prime would be when he was champion back in 2010-2011. Since then, he has not fought/beaten the level of competition to become champion again. Add that to his age and you get: A fighter who is past their prime Will never get back to where they were Will never be top dawg again On the down slope of their career Etc JACARE IS PAST HIS PRIME. Someone who was batting champ in AAA ball isn't past his prime because he's currently only the fifth best hitter in the Major Leagues. GTFO. Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Don't jackel me. In 2010 he beat Joey Villasenor (who?) to get a shot at the minor league belt. He decisioned Joey. You're telling me that was his prime? Seriously, GTFO.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 14, 2018 16:56:01 GMT -5
My point is that Jacare is PAST HIS PRIME. You need me to support that argument?? Seems obvious that his prime would be when he was champion back in 2010-2011. Since then, he has not fought/beaten the level of competition to become champion again. Add that to his age and you get: A fighter who is past their prime Will never get back to where they were Will never be top dawg again On the down slope of their career Etc JACARE IS PAST HIS PRIME. Someone who was batting champ in AAA ball isn't past his prime because he's currently only the fifth best hitter in the Major Leagues. GTFO. Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Don't jackel me. In 2010 he beat Joey Villasenor (who?) to get a shot at the minor league belt. He decisioned Joey. You're telling me that was his prime? Seriously, GTFO. Strikeforce supplied the UFC with their top 5 in almost every division they have right now. lolMinor league...
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Post by jamesod on Feb 15, 2018 10:22:49 GMT -5
Someone who was batting champ in AAA ball isn't past his prime because he's currently only the fifth best hitter in the Major Leagues. GTFO. Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Don't jackel me. In 2010 he beat Joey Villasenor (who?) to get a shot at the minor league belt. He decisioned Joey. You're telling me that was his prime? Seriously, GTFO. Strikeforce supplied the UFC with their top 5 in almost every division they have right now. lolMinor league... And... AAA supplied the majors with most of the all stars currently in Major League Baseball. That's literally what minor leagues do. Do you even sports, bro? Also, that's factually wrong. Current UFC Champs who didn't come from strikeforce: DJ, TJ, Max, Conor, Tony F (interim) Whittaker, Stipe Current UFC Champs who did: Tyrone, Cormier.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 15, 2018 11:48:32 GMT -5
YOU FORGOT CYBORG!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 12:41:50 GMT -5
AND NUNES!!!
WTF James!!!
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Post by jamesod on Feb 15, 2018 13:00:46 GMT -5
I didn't count women. But if you want to, that doesn't really help his case. Rose didn't come from Strikeforce and neither did the 125 lb champ, who I'm sure nobody can name without googling her. Nor did Schevchenko, the uncrowned champ at 125.
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Post by HumanAgent on Feb 15, 2018 13:28:49 GMT -5
MMA is not like other sports and thier minor leagues. Wins in their perspective sports do not count in the big leagues.
A win in Strikeforce is equal to a win in the UFC, it's counted as a win on their professional record.
Now, Jacare lost to Bobby as did Yoel. Yoel is what, 40? Yet he was just one win removed from a title shot. It's all about favorable match ups. Jacare beats Weidman and he's in the mix up. Add an injury and he could be fighting for the title by summer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2018 19:15:40 GMT -5
If a a Jacare from 2010-2011 were transported to right now to fight the current older Jacare I'd take the current Jacare so I don't think he's past his prime.
He's older, so physically he is, but skill wise your skills pretty much ALWAYS improve over time and he almost cant' help but be better now than he was back then.
His striking is definitely better now than it was in 2010-2011 and his wins in the UFC were better than his wins in strikeforce.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 13:56:40 GMT -5
Want to watch the fan intrest get sucked out of the division? Have Jacare as your champ.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 19, 2018 10:38:34 GMT -5
Want to watch the fan intrest get sucked out of the division? Have Jacare as your champ. lol
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 21, 2018 12:21:23 GMT -5
Bobby vs Yoel seems to be in negotiation. Yoel says its pretty much a done deal.
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Post by jamesod on Feb 21, 2018 13:44:44 GMT -5
Want to watch the fan intrest get sucked out of the division? Have Jacare as your champ. Jacare is one of the few remaining "must watch" guys for me in the UFC. At least until Paul Harris is allowed back. I don't really know how to investigate any particular fighter's ability to draw a crowd or their popularity, but twitter followers are as follows: Robert Whittaker: 40,000 Yoel: 38,000 Jacare: 113,000
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 21, 2018 13:51:12 GMT -5
Want to watch the fan intrest get sucked out of the division? Have Jacare as your champ. Jacare is one of the few remaining "must watch" guys for me in the UFC. At least until Paul Harris is allowed back. I don't really know how to investigate any particular fighter's ability to draw a crowd or their popularity, but twitter followers are as follows: Robert Whittaker: 40,000 Yoel: 38,000 Jacare: 113,000 Robert Whittacker: Fighting since 2009 Yoel: Fighting since 2009 Jacare: Fighting since 2003 Probably has something to do with amount of fans/Twitter followers. That being said, Im a fan of all three of them and dont follow any of them on Twitter.
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Post by jamesod on Feb 21, 2018 14:58:55 GMT -5
I don't doubt that Jacare's longevity has added to his fan base.
I think vale finds Jacare uninteresting, for whatever reason. Which is certainly his right. But that may be clouding his analysis on which fighters at MW will and won't bring interest to the division, if he's assuming that others share his opinion of Jacare.
Anderson brought interest to the division. Weidman beating Anderson twice brought interest to the division. Bisping, as much as I hate him, is a popular fighter in that people have strong feelings about him one way or another (tune in to watch him lose phenomenon). GSP would have brought interest to the division if he'd stuck around.
Among Whittaker, Yoel, and Jacare, I don't see any of those three immediately bringing as much interest to the division as anyone on the above list. But I also don't think there's any strong argument to be made that Jacare would be the weakest of those three as far as creating interest in the division.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 21, 2018 15:21:08 GMT -5
Yoel brings more interest to the division than Whitaker or Jacare COMBINED.
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Post by jamesod on Feb 21, 2018 16:05:45 GMT -5
You base that on what? I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering what you're basing that on.
None of these guys have headlined enough PPVs for us to use PPV numbers to make a great case. So, absent being able to point at PPVs, what can we use to make claims about who brings more interest to the division?
But, if we are going to look at PPV buys, then looking at sites listing PPV buys, I see they're saying UFC 213 (Romero v. Whittaker) did a whopping 150k buys. And UFC 221 (Romero v. Rockhold) did 130k.
To me that says nobody gives a fuck about Romero. Or Whittaker. Or Rockhold.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 16:14:19 GMT -5
I agree, I don't think anyone gives a fuck about Yoel or Jacare. At least Bobby Knuckles can headline a card in Aussie or New Zealand. I don't know that Jacare can pull the numbers without a strong co main event in Brazil. We will see I guess.
Yoel is just as bad of a division killer as Jacare imo. Perhaps even worse of one.
I also think Bobby Knuckles will grow on people as he continues to rape and pillage his way. We will see.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 21, 2018 16:48:01 GMT -5
Bobby is just another Cain. He's injury prone and will constantly be on the sidelines.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 17:11:40 GMT -5
I'm hope not. He's an exciting fighter that has grown on me over the years.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 21, 2018 17:17:49 GMT -5
I'm hope not. He's an exciting fighter that has grown on me over the years. agreed
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Post by HumanAgent on Feb 22, 2018 19:48:44 GMT -5
Jacare vs Kelvin for UFC 224
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Post by locogato11283 on Feb 23, 2018 0:07:16 GMT -5
Who actually uses Twitter?
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 23, 2018 11:28:28 GMT -5
Jacare vs Kelvin for UFC 224 Kelvin by KO.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 21:34:48 GMT -5
Kelvin will likely out class Jacare on the feet. Probably will see a case of when Jujitsu goes wrong as well.
Gonna look up the lines for this one.
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