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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 13, 2018 13:49:07 GMT -5
Meh, I don’t count decisions. If you can’t finish you didn’t win.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 14:15:57 GMT -5
Bobby Knuckles will be back. He's knocked the shit out of Brunson and Jacare. He handled Yoel and Yoel is a fucking beast.
Rockhold was going down against Bobby. This will actually be more of a fight. Yoel is getting old and likely will be heading to Bellator soon.
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 13, 2018 16:01:50 GMT -5
Bobby Knuckles will be back. He's knocked the shit out of Brunson and Jacare. He handled Yoel and Yoel is a fucking beast. Rockhold was going down against Bobby. This will actually be more of a fight. Yoel is getting old and likely will be heading to Bellator soon. I bet he will be able to get a fight there at least.. LOL at all these UFC MW scared to fight him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 16:56:47 GMT -5
Bobby Knuckles will be back. He's knocked the shit out of Brunson and Jacare. He handled Yoel and Yoel is a fucking beast. Rockhold was going down against Bobby. This will actually be more of a fight. Yoel is getting old and likely will be heading to Bellator soon. I bet he will be able to get a fight there at least.. LOL at all these UFC MW scared to fight him. Probably will get in the next HW tourney. Other than overrated Weidman, who has Romero ever beat that was relevant?
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Post by HumanAgent on Jan 13, 2018 17:44:08 GMT -5
Meh, I don’t count decisions. If you can’t finish you didn’t win. Must be something in the water in St Louis.... Jackel, Andrew, Loco... SMH...
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 13, 2018 19:45:33 GMT -5
I bet he will be able to get a fight there at least.. LOL at all these UFC MW scared to fight him. Probably will get in the next HW tourney. Other than overrated Weidman, who has Romero ever beat that was relevant? How do you beat top guys when they don’t want to fight you? Bisping, Kelvin, Rockhold. All ducks.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 20:06:53 GMT -5
Bisping wanted to fight someone with more than 500 Twitter followers. I don't blame him.
Romero has pulled out against Rockhold and Kelvin in the past. Learn the sport if you are gonna comment.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Jan 13, 2018 20:36:27 GMT -5
BURRRRNNNNNNNNN!
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Post by locogato11283 on Jan 13, 2018 21:04:44 GMT -5
Bisping wanted to fight someone with more than 500 Twitter followers. I don't blame him. Romero has pulled out against Rockhold and Kelvin in the past. Learn the sport if you are gonna comment. Injuries happen.. Since then, none of them wanted to fight.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jan 13, 2018 22:18:20 GMT -5
I don't count injuries, if you don't show up, you already lost.
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Post by locogato11283 on Feb 11, 2018 0:27:32 GMT -5
BW doesn’t deserve the belt anyway. Yoel easily beats Rockhold and then BW when they fight. Just wanted to quote myself for being right as per usual.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 22:38:36 GMT -5
Meh, I don’t count decisions. If you can’t finish you didn’t win. I think you should watch Khabib's last fight with Edson Barboza. That was a bigger win than half the finishes I've seen in my life.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 22:41:19 GMT -5
I bet he will be able to get a fight there at least.. LOL at all these UFC MW scared to fight him. Probably will get in the next HW tourney. Other than overrated Weidman, who has Romero ever beat that was relevant? You don't think Jacare is legit? And call Weidman overrated but he's a good fighter and that was a big win. Yoel is the real deal and I'd have taken him over Bisping as well, but not Whittaker. I don't see BW losing for a while. I'm sure GSP wants no part of him.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 12, 2018 10:34:04 GMT -5
I Gotta agree with Loco on this one. I think Yoel beats BW in the rematch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 10:38:34 GMT -5
Probably will get in the next HW tourney. Other than overrated Weidman, who has Romero ever beat that was relevant? You don't think Jacare is legit? And call Weidman overrated but he's a good fighter and that was a big win. Yoel is the real deal and I'd have taken him over Bisping as well, but not Whittaker. I don't see BW losing for a while. I'm sure GSP wants no part of him. No i actually think Jacare is overrated and actually is rather boring to watch. Weidman is a one trick pony. Beat Anderson...but he never could defend that belt against anyone else. Hell, Rockhold beat him. Gsp is out of the convo, he vacated his belt. Looking for Gsp vs Conor to likely happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 22:05:55 GMT -5
You don't think Jacare is legit? And call Weidman overrated but he's a good fighter and that was a big win. Yoel is the real deal and I'd have taken him over Bisping as well, but not Whittaker. I don't see BW losing for a while. I'm sure GSP wants no part of him. No i actually think Jacare is overrated and actually is rather boring to watch. Weidman is a one trick pony. Beat Anderson...but he never could defend that belt against anyone else. Hell, Rockhold beat him. Gsp is out of the convo, he vacated his belt. Looking for Gsp vs Conor to likely happen. I can't understand that. Jacare is 8-2 in the UFC and was very exciting knocking out Brunson last month and went through Belfort and Boetsch in one round each and has very few losses in general. Since coming to the UFC he's only lost to Whittaker and Romero. He definitely has one of the best BJJ games in all of the sport right now along with Werdum and Maia and can knock people out too so I don't know what's boring about that.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 13, 2018 10:10:02 GMT -5
Jacare is past his prime.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 10:54:40 GMT -5
Exactly, he's seen better days. I always thought he was overrated to begin with. I doubt he ever sniffs a title shot in the ufc.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 13, 2018 11:06:36 GMT -5
If Jacare were smart, he would go to Bellator where he has a real shot at GREATNESS. It's the perfect move for someone like him at his age... he can stop training, bulk up (get fat), and compete in the HW Grand Prix.
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Post by jamesod on Feb 13, 2018 13:57:15 GMT -5
Jacare is past his prime. Jacare is finishing guys better than he ever has and in the last six years he's lost only to Whitaker (the champ) and Romero, by split decision. 2014: Decision win over Carmont; 3rd rd submission win over Mousasi 2015: 1st rd submission win over Camozzi; split decision lost to Romero 2016: 1st rd TKO over Vitor 2017: 1st round submission win over Boetsch; loss to Whitaker 2018: 1st round KO over Brunson To me, this is more impressive than, say, his 2008-2011 time period, when he lost to Mousasi and Rockhold, and went to decision against Jason Miller, Joey Villasenor, and Tim Kennedy. You don't have to look too far back in my posts to see me commenting on Jacare's lack of signature wins. I don't think he's got the signature wins that the other top MWs do: Rockhold (Weidman, Jacare) Yoel (Rockhold, Weidman, Jacare) Whittaker (Yoel, Jacare). But I don't see a "past his prime" argument to be made based on his recent results.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 13, 2018 14:26:21 GMT -5
Jacare is past his prime. Jacare is finishing guys better than he ever has and in the last six years he's lost only to Whitaker (the champ) and Romero, by split decision. 2014: Decision win over Carmont; 3rd rd submission win over Mousasi 2015: 1st rd submission win over Camozzi; split decision lost to Romero 2016: 1st rd TKO over Vitor 2017: 1st round submission win over Boetsch; loss to Whitaker 2018: 1st round KO over Brunson To me, this is more impressive than, say, his 2008-2011 time period, when he lost to Mousasi and Rockhold, and went to decision against Jason Miller, Joey Villasenor, and Tim Kennedy. You don't have to look too far back in my posts to see me commenting on Jacare's lack of signature wins. I don't think he's got the signature wins that the other top MWs do: Rockhold (Weidman, Jacare) Yoel (Rockhold, Weidman, Jacare) Whittaker (Yoel, Jacare). But I don't see a "past his prime" argument to be made based on his recent results. Carmont? Camozzi? Who are those guys? 2016 post TRT Vitor? Is that supposed to be an impressive win? Tim Boetsch? What's he up to these days? Is he even ranked? Brunson - He's just a new Houston Alexander - scary black guy. AND GAY GAURD MOUSASI? I heard he's crushing it in Bellator now... What a sad list of wins that is ^
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Post by jamesod on Feb 13, 2018 14:57:04 GMT -5
Is your point that Jacare doesn't have much in the way of signature wins? Because, yes, I agree. As I've stated repeatedly, including in the post you quoted.
Or are you somehow still trying to argue that recent results show Jacare is past his prime? Because I don't see anything in your post that supports that.
A couple of asides... First, you should pay a little more attention to the UFC if you don't know who Francis Carmont is. He had won six straight fights in the UFC and was considered a strong contender before Jacare beat him. Not a lot of guys win their first six UFC fights these days. Second, Mousasi is on a really nice six-fight run, which includes wins - all finishes - over #4 Weidman, #9 Hall, and #11 Santos (using UFC rankings).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 16:00:35 GMT -5
Maybe it's that lame recyclable can crushing motion he makes after his wins?
There is a reason he has those wins yet the ufc keeps him away from the title.
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 13, 2018 16:01:45 GMT -5
Is your point that Jacare doesn't have much in the way of signature wins? Because, yes, I agree. As I've stated repeatedly, including in the post you quoted. Or are you somehow still trying to argue that recent results show Jacare is past his prime? Because I don't see anything in your post that supports that. A couple of asides... First, you should pay a little more attention to the UFC if you don't know who Francis Carmont is. He had won six straight fights in the UFC and was considered a strong contender before Jacare beat him. Not a lot of guys win their first six UFC fights these days. Second, Mousasi is on a really nice six-fight run, which includes wins - all finishes - over #4 Weidman, #9 Hall, and #11 Santos (using UFC rankings). So you think he can win the belt?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 21:58:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing Jacare vs Weidman.
Jacare doesn't really have a claim to a title shot right now considering all involved in contention have already beat him.
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Post by HumanAgent on Feb 13, 2018 23:17:58 GMT -5
That has actually been talked about and Chris said it's be an honor to fight Jacare. I expect that fight to happen next.
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Post by adamg01 on Feb 14, 2018 9:02:28 GMT -5
That’s not a great matchup for Weidman. I think he can maybe pull a 3rd decision but 5 is sketchy.
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Post by jamesod on Feb 14, 2018 10:12:23 GMT -5
Is your point that Jacare doesn't have much in the way of signature wins? Because, yes, I agree. As I've stated repeatedly, including in the post you quoted. Or are you somehow still trying to argue that recent results show Jacare is past his prime? Because I don't see anything in your post that supports that. A couple of asides... First, you should pay a little more attention to the UFC if you don't know who Francis Carmont is. He had won six straight fights in the UFC and was considered a strong contender before Jacare beat him. Not a lot of guys win their first six UFC fights these days. Second, Mousasi is on a really nice six-fight run, which includes wins - all finishes - over #4 Weidman, #9 Hall, and #11 Santos (using UFC rankings). So you think he can win the belt? Can you answer my Qs? I still don't know what point you're trying to make. I am not riding Jacare's jock and certainly not claiming he's likely to win a UFC belt. If you read my posts, you'd know that. Here's what I posted in a different thread just two weeks ago:
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Post by jonas0tt0 on Feb 14, 2018 11:47:47 GMT -5
My point is that Jacare is PAST HIS PRIME. You need me to support that argument?? Seems obvious that his prime would be when he was champion back in 2010-2011. Since then, he has not fought/beaten the level of competition to become champion again. Add that to his age and you get:
A fighter who is past their prime Will never get back to where they were Will never be top dawg again On the down slope of their career Etc
JACARE IS PAST HIS PRIME.
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Post by boboplata on Feb 14, 2018 12:20:05 GMT -5
My point is that Jacare is PAST HIS PRIME. You need me to support that argument?? Seems obvious that his prime would be when he was champion back in 2010-2011. Since then, he has not fought/beaten the level of competition to become champion again. Add that to his age and you get: A fighter who is past their prime Will never get back to where they were Will never be top dawg again On the down slope of their career Etc JACARE IS PAST HIS PRIME. Grapplers have different prime ages compared to strikers. They have less head trauma. I'm guessing Jacare might lose soon enough and go full Demian Maia in the MW division.
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