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Post by andrewk1988 on Jul 21, 2020 17:19:00 GMT -5
You need to rely on others to digest and regurgitate information in order for you to handle it. I get it, you've made that abundantly clear. I'm sure the new guy you're obsessed with is a great news man.
You don't have to watch things live to see the raw footage. Reading words always makes things seem more hyperbolic than they are meant to.
You can cling to life being the way your chosen outlets of information say they are, or you can embrace the freedom that comes with an internet connection and see the world for yourself. News stories don't play out in YouTube videos or written op eds anymore man. You're mental. It's 2020, live in the now.
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Post by ghostoftc on Jul 21, 2020 17:45:46 GMT -5
You need to rely on others to digest and regurgitate information in order for you to handle it. I get it, you've made that abundantly clear. I'm sure the new guy you're obsessed with is a great news man. You don't have to watch things live to see the raw footage. Reading words always makes things seem more hyperbolic than they are meant to. You can cling to life being the way your chosen outlets of information say they are, or you can embrace the freedom that comes with an internet connection and see the world for yourself. News stories don't play out in YouTube videos or written op eds anymore man. You're mental. It's 2020, live in the now. Based on your comments, it's pretty obvious that you didn't bother to take 20 minutes and watch the video. That means that you are not actually willing to even listen to what the other side has to say. So what's the point in having any kind of conversation with you? I'm living in 2020. And I understand what's happening in 2020 better specifically because of the 20 minutes a day I get to spend with Tim Pool. I like his perspective, because even though I am right-of-center he is just left of center and so we agree on pretty much all the basics. He can't stand Trump. But he also can't stand the leaders of the Democrats side. And sometimes he is 100% incorrect. But, I get two hours worth of information from across the political Spectrum in 20 minutes with zero commercial interruptions via a computer app that connect wirelessly to the internet through my television. The best part is that now I don't have to bother trying to read both sides of the aisle because I have someone else who does it for me basically for free. This gives me time to do other things and be more efficient with my time. You should thank Tim pool for giving me the time to be here to explain to you how completely backwards your reasoning often seems to be. But you're not even going to watch the video because you're one of those special Southern guys who thinks that he knows everything and won't listen to anyone who he disagrees with even slightly. If you can prove me wrong on that then you would have successfully done so for the first time.
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Post by slaytan on Jul 21, 2020 18:04:54 GMT -5
Most people (me not included) are downright tickled that we rounded up every German leader and executed them along with death camping over a million German soldiers after the war ended They served no purpose at that point. But sometimes I wonder how far away you live from where they dropped all those German scientists in Florida for Project Paperclip... well I grew up about 10 miles from that, but recently moved back to Florida’s west coast
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Post by slaytan on Jul 21, 2020 18:29:15 GMT -5
Most people (me not included) are downright tickled that we rounded up every German leader and executed them along with death camping over a million German soldiers after the war ended They served no purpose at that point.. They had to kill them, because they were witnesses
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jul 21, 2020 18:36:27 GMT -5
Hahahaha "watch my YouTube video or your opinion is forever clouded!!!"
How fuckin self absorbed are you brother?
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Post by slaytan on Jul 21, 2020 18:48:32 GMT -5
Hahahaha "watch my YouTube video or your opinion is forever clouded!!!" How fuckin self absorbed are you brother? Nobody interpreted your “hahahahaha” as anything but desperate nervous laughter
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jul 21, 2020 19:05:40 GMT -5
Hahahaha "watch my YouTube video or your opinion is forever clouded!!!" How fuckin self absorbed are you brother? Nobody interpreted your “hahahahaha” as anything but desperate nervous laughter Oh yeah, hahaha. Now I'm nervously laughing about the forum, huh? What exactly is the implication of 'nervous laughter'? You're a fuckin goofball.
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Post by ghostoftc on Jul 21, 2020 20:17:30 GMT -5
Hahahaha "watch my YouTube video or your opinion is forever clouded!!!" How fuckin self absorbed are you brother? Now your undeservedly large ego has you putting words in my mouth. Just trying to do my part to help you stop being so incredibly dumb. Watch it, don't watch it. Earlier you told me how I was supposed to get my news. I showed you how I do. You are so certain that I'm some clueless dolt, your chance to prove it by shutting down the video with some solid facts is right there in front of you. Win win for you. You can show me how he sucks as a source and how my use of him makes me a soft, neutered loser or you can find that he doesn't suck at all and gain a new source for yourself. Or you can continue just thinking you know everything about me while calling me someone else. No big deal either way. FWIW: I also find your laughter to be nervous.
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Post by slaytan on Jul 22, 2020 8:19:39 GMT -5
Nobody interpreted your “hahahahaha” as anything but desperate nervous laughter Oh yeah, hahaha. Now I'm nervously laughing about the forum, huh? What exactly is the implication of 'nervous laughter'? You're a fuckin goofball. The implication is that you were extremely frustrated and embarrassed, and typed out “hahahahaha” to camouflage that. I don’t know why you think it “saves face” to pretend to be the only guy in the room who doesn’t understand that the ghost of TC exposed you as a fool and a phony.
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Post by slaytan on Jul 22, 2020 9:27:39 GMT -5
I have the feeling that this new life (breathed into the forum by a ghost) is going last about as long as a typical Facebook suspension
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Post by floater on Jul 22, 2020 13:07:39 GMT -5
I really like Tim pool. He seems like an honest journalist who is not owned by anyone.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jul 22, 2020 13:59:10 GMT -5
I'll be honest, I kinda like Tim as well. One of his videos he broight up a good point, Trump has not started a war ,yet..and got troops out of Afghanistan.... I could have sworn they would have picked on Venezuela but so far I'm wrong. There was that failed CIA thing though...
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jul 22, 2020 14:22:34 GMT -5
Nobody here has made any point whatsoever about the fact that an illegal federal police force is invading US cities. No invoking the insurrection act, no declaration of martial law, just a unilateral legally ambiguous show of force.
I'm sure Tim Pool is a great guy, I'm sure he has some interesting opinions. But talking about him doesn't change anything and his opinion on the authoritarian show of force isn't really relevant because he's not here talking about it.
And I'm sorry, like I said, sure he's a great guy, but his opinion is no more 'fact' than anybody else's. You can see for yourself the damage and the behavior of the people who we're talking about. We don't need someone else to translate it for us. Or we shouldn't.
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Post by slaytan on Jul 22, 2020 15:16:38 GMT -5
I'll be honest, I kinda like Tim as well. One of his videos he broight up a good point, Trump has not started a war ,yet..and got troops out of Afghanistan.... I could have sworn they would have picked on Venezuela but so far I'm wrong . There was that failed CIA thing though... I’m blanking on this, what are we talking about
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Post by HumanAgent on Jul 22, 2020 15:23:38 GMT -5
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Post by slaytan on Jul 22, 2020 15:42:31 GMT -5
If anything, brother, the CIA worked to guarantee its failure. The CIA is so unbelievably penetrated by foreign intelligence services that It’s impossible to adequately describe it in less than 100 pages. It’s as insidious as any movie ever depicted, but it’s goals are opposite. For its first 30 or so years, half of its agents were bonafide moles, and that half defeated the honest half.
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Post by slaytan on Jul 22, 2020 15:44:53 GMT -5
Nobody here has made any point whatsoever about the fact that an illegal federal police force is invading US cities. No invoking the insurrection act, no declaration of martial law, just a unilateral legally ambiguous show of force. I'm sure Tim Pool is a great guy, I'm sure he has some interesting opinions. But talking about him doesn't change anything and his opinion on the authoritarian show of force isn't really relevant because he's not here talking about it. And I'm sorry, like I said, sure he's a great guy, but his opinion is no more 'fact' than anybody else's. You can see for yourself the damage and the behavior of the people who we're talking about. We don't need someone else to translate it for us. Or we shouldn't. You have now spent more time and effort protecting yourself from Tim Poole than you would have spent watching the video
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Post by andrewk1988 on Jul 22, 2020 16:22:46 GMT -5
Are we really to the point that we're doing the 'you're scared to listen to the newest 'dark net intellectual' that shows up on Rogan' thing?
This shit is cliché. It's no wonder 'conservatives' have the dumb dumb stereotype. Remember when everything was always 'fake news'? Now it's 'my preferred news, so it must be real news'. You're no different than the folks who default to CNN, Fox, or any of the myriad of opinion news folks on YouTube.
Me: I have this opinion about the federal government's new police force, and I'm citing the constitution and American law precedent to support my opinion.
G: Nuh uh they are rioters and looters and someone has to protect us from the violent antifa, so it should be the feds. Look, here's another guy that I heard my opinion from saying my opinion, so that's FACT and you can't deny it!
Me: nah, that's just another dudes opinion.
G: you're a terrible person and scared of the truth because you won't watch my YouTube video!
Me: what?
It's fucking lunacy.
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Post by slaytan on Jul 22, 2020 16:36:31 GMT -5
Let the record show that Andrew lacks curiosity and is protective of his bubble
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Post by ghostoftc on Jul 22, 2020 16:37:58 GMT -5
Your problem is that you just don't watch the video. You go on to act like you know what's in the video and that Tim Pool is defining the universe.
But he's not. And it's kind of ironic that you don't even know who he is, considering you told me that I'm supposed to get my news from live streamers who filmed the shit as it's happening.
Because that's actually how Tim started in journalism. He was in Egypt during the Arab Spring. Has a ton of footage live from the middle of it. He was one of the first people to start live streaming from the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York. He went to London and documented the no-go zones for the police in Muslim neighborhoods.
His work got him enough recognition that he was hired as one of the original members of Vice news. And he quit as soon as he saw that Vice news was going corporate. These are facts, Andrew. And what they do is speak to his credibility.
He was not selected to be the talking head for a large corporate news organization. If he takes that beanie off? He's as bald as Mr. Clean. The only reason that he has such a big following is because of his reputation for being a milquetoast fence sitter who calls it down the middle. I believe he is getting a much larger audience these days specifically because he will give credit where it is due and calls bullshit where most people would.
Now obviously you don't need to watch him. If you like wasting your time sifting through the news then you can feel free to go for it. But I'll tell you right now that all of those guys above that mentioned Tim who watch him regularly know more about what's happening in the world, what's happening in this country, and how things are going with the ubiquitous culture War far better than you do. Because they are better informed. Because Tim pool will read you an article from Vox and follow it up with an article from the Washington Examiner. That kind of balanced approach is missing in mainstream media. And since you are not a trained researcher, it's probably better to let someone who doesn't have an agenda curate the news for you.
You can't answer questions about the constitutionality of the federal agents because you've never read the Constitution. And you also conveniently do not answer one question that shut your entire theory about the unconstitutionality of their actions.
Here's the question you can't answer because it kills your entire bulshit perspective.
- Are these federal agents arresting people on state charges or federal charges? -
If you answer that question you'll also understand why the Insurrection act, the Patriot Act and all that other shit that you're trying to talk about is completely irrelevant here. Because if prior to the passing of any of those acts you decided you were going to launch an assault on a federal courthouse, the people who would be charging you would be federal agents. You may be apprehended by local law enforcement, but you committed a federal crime when deface Federal property and it will be federal agents who are handling your custody as well as your case.
There is nothing unconstitutional happening. And do you know how you would know that? Tim would tell you. And he would back it up with verifiable sources of fact. That's how I know that nothing unconstitutional is happening and that you are 100% incorrect.
Tim Pool's credibility > Your credibility.
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Post by slaytan on Jul 22, 2020 16:39:23 GMT -5
] Me: I have this opinion about the federal government's new police force, and I'm citing the constitution and American law precedent to support my opinion. G: Nuh uh they are rioters and looters and someone has to protect us from the violent antifa, so it should be the feds. Look, here's another guy that I heard my opinion from saying my opinion, so that's FACT and you can't deny it! Me: nah, that's just another dudes opinion. G: you're a terrible person and scared of the truth because you won't watch my YouTube video! Me: what? It's fucking lunacy. . Andrew has no time to watch a 20 minute video because he’s busy debating his imagination
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Post by ghostoftc on Jul 22, 2020 19:03:05 GMT -5
Chance number two. Do you know what Thucydides' Trap is?
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Post by slaytan on Jul 24, 2020 5:04:53 GMT -5
So now the feds are killing the little fairies, not just arresting them for domestic terrorism? You do realize the feds used the perps own social media posts for probable cause, right? Every shithead who committed arson should be fully prosecuted. I never said they were killing them. Slaytan said they should be but at one time he was a huge Bush nutflea and talked down that same strategy Saddam used but now thinks it should be done here in the US. I agree, everyone who vandalizes any property should he held accountable. Please expound on this
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Post by slaytan on Jul 24, 2020 12:17:32 GMT -5
I never said they were killing them. Slaytan said they should be but at one time he was a huge Bush nutflea and talked down that same strategy Saddam used but now thinks it should be done here in the US. I agree, everyone who vandalizes any property should he held accountable. Please expound on this I don’t mean to harp on this, but I really want to know what you’re referring to here. Honestly I think you made it up out of the proverbial “whole cloth.” Fuckin schmuck
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Post by HumanAgent on Jul 24, 2020 13:13:47 GMT -5
I don’t mean to harp on this, but I really want to know what you’re referring to here. Honestly I think you made it up out of the proverbial “whole cloth.” Fuckin schmuck You were a huge fan of Bush and the Iraq war and many Republicans/conservatives were always using "Saddam's secret police" as a way to throw Saddam out of power yet you are think it's OK that communist should be getting picked up and shot. Not that I disagree with you but just a bit inconsistent. Nothing to beef over.
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Post by slaytan on Jul 24, 2020 16:22:54 GMT -5
I don’t mean to harp on this, but I really want to know what you’re referring to here. Honestly I think you made it up out of the proverbial “whole cloth.” Fuckin schmuck You were a huge fan of Bush and the Iraq war and many Republicans/conservatives were always using "Saddam's secret police" as a way to throw Saddam out of power yet you are think it's OK that communist should be getting picked up and shot. Not that I disagree with you but just a bit inconsistent. Nothing to beef over. So I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and not say you’re a liar but that you misremember. In any case, you are imagining things. I can see how your pants caught fire, as YES I was very much supportive of VICTORY in Iraq, although at the start I was “against” the invasion - Not on principle, but on that I didn’t think America had the follow through. On George W, I never had anything good to say about him but he was the only president with a vested interest in Iraq not being a disaster. I voted for him in 2004 but not 2000.
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Post by HumanAgent on Jul 24, 2020 17:34:17 GMT -5
You were a huge fan of Bush and the Iraq war and many Republicans/conservatives were always using "Saddam's secret police" as a way to throw Saddam out of power yet you are think it's OK that communist should be getting picked up and shot. Not that I disagree with you but just a bit inconsistent. Nothing to beef over. So I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and not say you’re a liar but that you misremember. In any case, you are imagining things. I can see how your pants caught fire, as YES I was very much supportive of VICTORY in Iraq, although at the start I was “against” the invasion - Not on principle, but on that I didn’t think America had the follow through. On George W, I never had anything good to say about him but he was the only president with a vested interest in Iraq not being a disaster. I voted for him in 2004 but not 2000. I'm going to quote what my history teacher would always tell me... It's not that I don't believe you, it's that I don't believe you... You were definitely a supporter of the war from the beginning, I'm not talking about victory once it started, I'm talking the propaganda before... One thing I absolutely remember is how butt hurt you got when people posted the picture of Bush holding hands with King Abdullah at his Texas ranch mocking Bush. How's things in Iraq now?
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Post by slaytan on Jul 24, 2020 19:14:01 GMT -5
So I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and not say you’re a liar but that you misremember. In any case, you are imagining things. I can see how your pants caught fire, as YES I was very much supportive of VICTORY in Iraq, although at the start I was “against” the invasion - Not on principle, but on that I didn’t think America had the follow through. On George W, I never had anything good to say about him but he was the only president with a vested interest in Iraq not being a disaster. I voted for him in 2004 but not 2000. I'm going to quote what my history teacher would always tell me... It's not that I don't believe you, it's that I don't believe you... You were definitely a supporter of the war from the beginning, I'm not talking about victory once it started, I'm talking the propaganda before... One thing I absolutely remember is how butt hurt you got when people posted the picture of Bush holding hands with King Abdullah at his Texas ranch mocking Bush. How's things in Iraq now? ok, so now you’re just lying. Don’t know where to go from here
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Post by ghostoftc on Jul 25, 2020 13:18:15 GMT -5
Here's a video for Andrew where Tim Pool lays down how a judge recently shut down the notion that federal agents apprehending suspects is somehow unconstitutional.
So, on top of me telling you that it was not unconstitutional, now a judge is also telling you that it is not unconstitutional.
Do you know what this means Andrew? It means you're wrong. 😊
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Post by cybergod on Jul 25, 2020 15:51:17 GMT -5
Andrew's constant droning on all this idiocy about Federal agents "invading" cities is a step up from his usual whining. It's also hilarious.
As pointed out above (probably more than once), the operative phrase here is the MILITARY OATH "TO DEFEND THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC."
Andrew -- delusional, weak and uninformed as he is, probably never heard of this oath. One has to wonder how he fantasizes about "leading the blacks in the Ferguson riots -- er, rebellion", I think he said back in 2014 -- when he is just another civilian and utterly clueless about armed conflicts. He sure can call people names on the internet, though.
But back to that MILITARY OATH I mentioned earlier, OK, Andrew? It FULLY describes President Trump's authority to deploy those troops/Federal agents into American cities, WITHOUT bothering to invoke the Insurrection Act or anything else. Because, you idiot, RIOTERS and LOOTERS are indeed enemies of the United States, whether they fit YOUR feeble-minded definition or not! As Commander-In-Chief of all five military branches, Trump has their immense forces at his disposal.
Oh, yeah, by the way....the President GETS TO MAKE THAT CALL, as to whether federal help is necessary in such situations! Not you or any other benighted fool agreeing with you, nor me, nor your Momma.
He doesn't need to ask any governor's or mayor's permission. You lying dogs don't get to wag THAT tail. He can send in troops any damned time he sees fit....it was UNDOUBTEDLY justified in these situations in DC, Seattle and Portland.
Now go ahead with your usual inane drivel in response. Let's see if I can predict it: Rioters are patriots, looters are peaceful protesters, detainees are being abducted and detained indefinitely without charges, National Guardsmen are thugs, Up is Down, Evil is Good, BLM is a civic-minded charitable organization, Antifa is just a bunch of rowdy pranksters, etc.
There, I think I pretty much covered your lunacy. Now, go see a goddamned psychiatrist; you're having ANOTHER break (Schism) with reality. And THIS one is worse than usual.
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