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Post by PatSox on Sept 27, 2016 9:08:45 GMT -5
Among the things that blow my mind, when it comes to our process of choosing a president, is the fact that debates play such a big factor. The fact that we even have them is incredible We allow a format that is designed to sway voters based on who answers questions better and has better debating skills? Everyone goes on about integrity and getting to the truth, but here is a mechanism that we all accept and give immense consideration to, that is designed to help the candidate who does the best job of telling us what we want to here, whether they mean it or not. Basically, what that means is, we want the person who is a better bullshitter Fucking ridiculous. Throw it in there with things like political parties and speech writers and choosing a running mate soley so you can win their state, as another thing that absolutely should not be allowed to exist, but everyone just accepts like it's fine Well, common sense left politics a long time ago. The far left is a prime example of that. You almost made a good point.......then your own political leanings ruined it
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Post by ocmmafan on Sept 27, 2016 9:15:17 GMT -5
Last night on the post show circuits they said the debates matter to around 5% of the voting population and that the other 95% have already made up their minds. Not sure the debates really matter unless they have some kind of direct impact on polling, and that, in turn impacts the overall election pattern.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 9:28:16 GMT -5
If Trump could quit going on tangents he would have looked so much better. All she had to do during said tangents was sit back and let that Benzo do its job.
I don't feel there was a winner on that stage last night.
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Post by PatSox on Sept 27, 2016 9:36:20 GMT -5
Last night on the post show circuits they said the debates matter to around 5% of the voting population and that the other 95% have already made up their minds. Not sure the debates really matter unless they have some kind of direct impact on polling, and that, in turn impacts the overall election pattern. 5% is huge These things can end up being pretty close. A number like that can be the difference
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Post by Baph on Sept 27, 2016 10:02:44 GMT -5
One thing that jumped out at me that nobody ever brings up . . . Hitlary has all these plans and shit, gonna do this, fix that, rebuild the other . . . ok, so what the fuck have you been doing the past 8 years as the #3 ranked politician in the country? What have you done? What did you do in the 8 years before that as a senator from the 3rd largest state? Like . . . in 20 fucking years, give me a list, what have you done? But you got all these bright ideas NOW? Bitch you're 70.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 10:23:22 GMT -5
Her "ideas" are just more of the same bullshit.
She jabbers about creating 10 million new jobs, and no one (Lookin at you Lester) jumps on the connection between her proposed job growth and the big tax increases she's proposing. Those tax increases are to fund more government jobs. Who gives a fuck that the United States Government is ALREADY the largest employer of people in the world? Right? Who fucking cares that when such a thing happens, suddenly you're taxing the private sector at an ungodly rate to pay the salaries of people working for the government. This is already the case, and with Hillary it gets worse.
THIS is one of the many reasons so many companies are jumping ship and heading for less tax burdensome pastures. They are being taxed to pay the salaries of people who only serve to make the government even more bloated and even less efficient than it already is. And they are shipping out because of their displeasure with having to pay so much towards something that does so little (The Federal Gov't).
And Trump DID bring up that Hillary has been involved at the highest levels of gov't for 30+ years and has succeeded in doing nothing but making things worse.
Hillary's big line that hit me, but seems to have been missed by the rest was when she said "We're 5% of the world's population and we need to trade with the other 95%." She's right. But the problem is that when you have politicians who have only ever had an academic relationship with vast quantities of money, the trade deals that they work out when negotiating with the top businessmen from foreign countries have ALWAYS worked against us and in favor of the other country. This has to stop. Trump knows how to start making it stop. Hillary is one of the people who exacerbated the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 10:23:43 GMT -5
One thing that jumped out at me that nobody ever brings up . . . Hitlary has all these plans and shit, gonna do this, fix that, rebuild the other . . . ok, so what the fuck have you been doing the past 8 years as the #3 ranked politician in the country? What have you done? What did you do in the 8 years before that as a senator from the 3rd largest state? Like . . . in 20 fucking years, give me a list, what have you done? But you got all these bright ideas NOW? Bitch you're 70. Trump brought this up several times in the beginning of the debate. Said she hasn't done anything in 20 years but write a book.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 27, 2016 10:24:28 GMT -5
One thing that jumped out at me that nobody ever brings up . . . Hitlary has all these plans and shit, gonna do this, fix that, rebuild the other . . . ok, so what the fuck have you been doing the past 8 years as the #3 ranked politician in the country? What have you done? What did you do in the 8 years before that as a senator from the 3rd largest state? Like . . . in 20 fucking years, give me a list, what have you done? But you got all these bright ideas NOW? Bitch you're 70. She hired a bumbling IT guy who asked reddit how to delete emails & shit. When the community learned about it, the guy deleted his posts. Here is the vid of him removing his posts on reddit.
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Post by peAk on Sept 27, 2016 10:28:54 GMT -5
One thing that jumped out at me that nobody ever brings up . . . Hitlary has all these plans and shit, gonna do this, fix that, rebuild the other . . . ok, so what the fuck have you been doing the past 8 years as the #3 ranked politician in the country? What have you done? What did you do in the 8 years before that as a senator from the 3rd largest state? Like . . . in 20 fucking years, give me a list, what have you done? But you got all these bright ideas NOW? Bitch you're 70. Trump brought this up several times in the beginning of the debate. Said she hasn't done anything in 20 years but write a book. I thought he said 30 years? ....but yeah, he did go after her on it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 18:46:57 GMT -5
It's even funnier when you realize the parties actually control the debates. THAT is why you will never see another Perot. They don't want him there.
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Post by Baph on Sept 27, 2016 23:31:33 GMT -5
Something else popping up on social media . . . you're seeing all the pom-pom boys for Hitlary saying "Trump lied about this and this obscure tweet from 2011 proves it". And that may well be true, but since fucking WHEN did you get all deadshot sniper red alert militant about lying, guys? You slept through sniper fire in Bosnia, though Sir Edmund Hilary's namesake, through hot sauce in my bag, through pro/anti NAFTA, through Benghazi, through yoga emails, through foundation bribes, through over-heating from pneumonia when it's 72-degrees, and about 47 other incidents I can't rattle off from memory, but NOW you can suddenly find a tweet from 2011 that contradicts one line from a Trump speech? Now you're a relentless bloodhound? Interesting. I mean that's just . . . interesting, right? You're Garry fucking kasparov when Trump's rambling around up there but when Hitlary smuggles arms into Syria and dodges an FBI subpoena and sells uranium mining rights to the Soviets you're Hellen fucking Keller all of a sudden. I mean that's flat-out amazing. Man, can I just say, I hate, and I do mean hate, what politics does to people. Fucking disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 0:07:23 GMT -5
Hillary claiming she is going to create 10mm jobs and not add a single dollar to the deficit not getting fact checked and blown up for it's absurdity is all I need to see from the debate post discussion to start packing my bag for the hills. If this lying cunt gets elected, the media need to be lined up and fucking executed for being the reason why we will see an economic meltdown in her first term. Are people really too stupid to realize that if what Obama has done over the last 8 continues we are very soon going to be spending more on interest payments in a year than we actually produce? She literally has no economic plan, no plan to pay off the deficit (refuses to talk about it), and no plan to reduce the insane number of people taking free shit from hardworking people. Check this out....
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Post by Baph on Sept 28, 2016 0:13:28 GMT -5
no plan to reduce the insane number of people taking free shit from hardworking people. Reduce? I heard something about amnesty, lax immigration, and importing 100,000 refugees with no job skill who don't speak the language or adhere to social norms. Should be a real shot in the arm for our tech savvy economy, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 0:17:27 GMT -5
no plan to reduce the insane number of people taking free shit from hardworking people. Reduce? I heard something about amnesty, lax immigration, and importing 100,000 refugees with no job skill who don't speak the language or adhere to social norms. Should be a real shot in the arm for our tech savvy economy, eh? Ya, we need those pesky white, college educated, working class, married fuckers to get diluted at the ballot box. The dems won't have succeeded until more people vote who don't pay into the system than those who do... then some real long term policy can be implemented!
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Post by Baph on Sept 28, 2016 0:34:22 GMT -5
I keep hearing about the job creating plans, the tech economy, the workplace of tomorrow, but then I see a crazed effort to pack this place with low skill, low educated, non English speakers completely unfamiliar with the culture here.
I've heard of fighting with one hand tied behind your back to make things interesting, but this seems excessive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 5:49:56 GMT -5
I keep hearing about the job creating plans, the tech economy, the workplace of tomorrow, but then I see a crazed effort to pack this place with low skill, low educated, non English speakers completely unfamiliar with the culture here. I've heard of fighting with one hand tied behind your back to make things interesting, but this seems excessive. I don't get this either. While I generally side on the liberal end of the spectrum, as far as immigration goes, we need to shut that shit down. What is within our borders today has to be dealt with somehow. Until that mess is taken care of, doors need to close. No room at the Inn. It is not a popular opinion in my circles buy it is how I feel. Someday think it isn't humane, not to help. I think that the people within our borders need help. Look at the fucking VA. How can we take in mass quantities of people who need assistance when we have people who gave their time and energy to the service ill, homeless, and some mentally ill.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 9:54:30 GMT -5
Big Democrat in sauna this morning. Decent guy, talk with him quite a bit.
Just me and him for about 5 min. Got a little deeper.
Asks me, after I say neither had answers at the debate. He claims hillary outlined plans. Huh?
He asked what am I tired of. I said, well, how about the gun laws that just got thrown on me? He says, you mean guns that shoot and kill people. I say, mine have never shot anyone. He says that's not what keeps people out of your home. I say bullshit. Pull up australia spike in home invasions on the elderly after the gun but back in the 90s. Silence. Then goes on to something else. But I stay on course....our revolving door between Monsanto and the fda, epa, usada...it's all a farce.
And then I quote baph...regarding that our fbi isn't the hive of Jason Bournes we make it out to be.
He asked me why I don't move to another country if I don't like it here. I tell him straight out....greed. I'm greedy and although I own land in other countries (he knows this, he knows my buddies father who is my lender, this guy is also in real estate), I want to leave a legacy. One day when Im finished ill leave.
I also stated that I don't give a fuck who gets in. They make a system, I'll navigate my way through it. Successfully.
He didn't like my answers.
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Post by PatSox on Sept 28, 2016 10:00:24 GMT -5
Big Democrat in sauna this morning. Decent guy, talk with him quite a bit. Just me and him for about 5 min. Got a little deeper. Asks me, after I say neither had answers at the debate. He claims hillary outlined plans. Huh? He asked what am I tired of. I said, well, how about the gun laws that just got thrown on me? He says, you mean guns that shoot and kill people. I say, mine have never shot anyone. He says that's not what keeps people out of your home. I say bullshit. Pull up australia spike in home invasions on the elderly after the gun but back in the 90s. Silence. Then goes on to something else. But I stay on course....our revolving door between Monsanto and the fda, epa, usada...it's all a farce. And then I quote baph...regarding that our fbi isn't the hive of Jason Bournes we make it out to be. He asked me why I don't move to another country if I don't like it here. I tell him straight out....greed. I'm greedy and although I own land in other countries (he knows this, he knows my buddies father who is my lender, this guy is also in real estate), I want to leave a legacy. One day when Im finished ill leave. I also stated that I don't give a fuck who gets in. They make a system, I'll navigate my way through it. Successfully. He didn't like my answers. Read through this quickly, but I think I got the gist You spent 5 minutes in the sauna with a guy. He went deep, but ultimately came away unsatisfied
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2016 10:06:07 GMT -5
Big Democrat in sauna this morning. Decent guy, talk with him quite a bit. Just me and him for about 5 min. Got a little deeper. Asks me, after I say neither had answers at the debate. He claims hillary outlined plans. Huh? He asked what am I tired of. I said, well, how about the gun laws that just got thrown on me? He says, you mean guns that shoot and kill people. I say, mine have never shot anyone. He says that's not what keeps people out of your home. I say bullshit. Pull up australia spike in home invasions on the elderly after the gun but back in the 90s. Silence. Then goes on to something else. But I stay on course....our revolving door between Monsanto and the fda, epa, usada...it's all a farce. And then I quote baph...regarding that our fbi isn't the hive of Jason Bournes we make it out to be. He asked me why I don't move to another country if I don't like it here. I tell him straight out....greed. I'm greedy and although I own land in other countries (he knows this, he knows my buddies father who is my lender, this guy is also in real estate), I want to leave a legacy. One day when Im finished ill leave. I also stated that I don't give a fuck who gets in. They make a system, I'll navigate my way through it. Successfully. He didn't like my answers. Read through this quickly, but I think I got the gist You spent 5 minutes in the sauna with a guy. He went deep, but ultimately came away unsatisfied He's part black too... We are talking deep deep. It's funny though, how when someone else walked in the convo slowed a bit. Him and I have been going back and forth on this for awhile now. He's a staunch democrat so it's always an interesting convo.
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