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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 7:00:39 GMT -5
We can discuss it here.
Featuring: The Artist of the Deal vs. The Wicked Witch of the Left
I've got Trump tonight at -150
I just hope it's not some sh*tshow with some fag left wing moderator.... This is the first of these I've ever watched.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 7:19:37 GMT -5
Looking into this further, it doesn't appear to be too bad of a format. No commercials, specific agreed-upon topics, etc.
I just don't want to see some carefully orchestrated/scripted droning on, with committee-approved position statements replacing an actual, spirited argument.
I'm probably crazy to expect that though.
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Post by CHOPPEDnSCREWED on Sept 26, 2016 7:25:57 GMT -5
I'm thinking it'll be a shit show.
Btw, you can say shit show here. We're profanity friendly. :-)
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Post by Premier on Sept 26, 2016 7:44:20 GMT -5
I don't even want to watch. This will be a circus.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 8:35:33 GMT -5
This is going to be like a car wreck, I can't not watch if I tried.
I have an idea both side supporters are going to be disappointed
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 9:12:29 GMT -5
Falcons @ Saints >>> Presidential debate, because football >>> Politics
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Post by Angelo on Sept 26, 2016 10:37:30 GMT -5
Debate drinking game for the forum? Watch the Shoutbox devolve into randomly mashed keys
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 11:10:36 GMT -5
FIGHT NIGHT!
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Post by Angelo on Sept 26, 2016 13:09:43 GMT -5
Trump not doing mock debates, what is this gonna do in terms of him having a precise answer ready to real questions (if there are any).
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Post by ToNoAvail on Sept 26, 2016 20:05:59 GMT -5
Very much looking forward to the debate tonight. These have been two dogs barking at each other through the fence and now the gate is open, let's see who is bite and who is bark.
And I honestly question Hillary's physical ability to match trump's enthusiasm and tenacity for 90 minutes, she's going to have to dig deep to fight off exhaustion. I'm expecting a very calm demeanor from the get go, still full of empty pandering, but calm and straight forward.
No idea what to expect. A trump blowout actually wouldn't surprise me though.
Here we go.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 20:32:49 GMT -5
I like Trump's aggressiveness but he may need to tone it down a little if he doesn't want to turn people off. I like it but some may not. Making good points on the federal reserve and the financial bubble.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 26, 2016 20:55:25 GMT -5
Can someone do pbp? I'm in the office atm.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 26, 2016 21:22:19 GMT -5
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Post by boboplata on Sept 26, 2016 21:39:30 GMT -5
It's not nice.
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Post by ocmmafan on Sept 26, 2016 22:58:27 GMT -5
Trump rambled and wasn't composed but the deck is stacked against him. Lester Holt is a schill and we all expected it, and we got it. Using the "he's a registered republican" defense is laughable. Who cares? He's incapable of handling either of them. Hillary has so many issues to question her about: email server, her entire staff pleading the 5th, intentionally deleting emails, Benghazi, Clinton Foundation pay for play, her own staff digging around the Obama birther investigation, TPP and we get......nothing. Zero, nada, zlitch. WTF? Instead we get him following up with Trump's opinion on Iran 12-14 years ago when he was NOT a politician? Frankly, who gives a fuck what Trump thought back then? He had no involvement but Hillary did.
Trump still should have annihilated her but man, wtf? He was far too focused on defending himself rather than force her to address her issues and it comes off pretty bad. The left will chalk this up as a "victory" but I doubt she can escape answering some of these questions in all the debates. She can't just say using a private email server was bad judgement and think she gets a pass.
October 19th Chris Wallace is the moderator. She will have to answer these questions then.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 23:13:53 GMT -5
The whole thing was lame. I would like for an air horn to be put to use when a DIRECT questions is answered with a deflection or something else entirely. I think I'm not going to bother with the rest of the debates. I know who I am reluctantly voting for and nothing either of them can say will change my mind.
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Post by Angelo on Sept 26, 2016 23:53:06 GMT -5
The whole thing was lame. I would like for an air horn to be put to use when a DIRECT questions is answered with a deflection or something else entirely. I think I'm not going to bother with the rest of the debates. I know who I am reluctantly voting for and nothing either of them can say will change my mind. 99% of it was vague answers talking in circles. Here is my takeaway from watching them. 1. Hillary seemed to not give a fuck, very rehearsed, though did have a sense of panic when being attacked on the trade deals. 2. Trump needs to stop defending himself, taking it personal is never a good thing for a presidential race, remember 3. Trump actually seemed... good. Unlike the rehearsed demeanor and statements of Hillary, he seemed legit. He seemed pissed at the treatment of people in inner-cities. He talks like someone who is thinking about the issue and solution, which sadly usually means you aren't the best speaker. 4. Hillary got handed a get out of jail guarantee me the election card. If she releases the e-mails, even if inflammatory, she'll probably win the election. 5. Trump let so many easy pitches go by. Is he not all there or is he trying to give her a false sense of confidence for next debate? He didn't respond to her discussing his foreign bank debt with her foreign donors, etc... that kind of thing. 6. If Hillary goes after Trump's father a la' Atwater after Ferraro's parents, that will hurt him and he has no defense.7. If Trump can on TV articulate how to keep jobs in the US (ie: lower corporate taxes, increase taxes/tariffs on companies with US bases that do manufacturing and use secondary and tertiary services non-domestically), he'll crumble Hillary's "study-supported" plan.
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Post by ocmmafan on Sept 26, 2016 23:53:25 GMT -5
The whole thing was lame. I would like for an air horn to be put to use when a DIRECT questions is answered with a deflection or something else entirely. I think I'm not going to bother with the rest of the debates. I know who I am reluctantly voting for and nothing either of them can say will change my mind. Yes, same problem in every debate. BUT, I do think Trump owns up to some questions and this is the dude that has had his face in front of reporters for a year answering everything. Ask him about Bankruptcy and the guy admits he did use the laws on the books to protect his businesses. That's the way every single corporate bankruptcy is going to be answered and he followed the law. So even if people want to judge him on it, he owns it. He directly answered about the redlining of prospective black renters in the 1970s and stated it was multiple real estate firms involved in the lawsuit and they settled with no admission of wrong doing. He owned it. He admitted what he said about Rosie O'Donnell. He answered about not paying some contractors (saying some didn't do a good job and didn't deserve it). He answered about the birther issue. He answered about his feelings on Iran. He doesn't duck the questions. He does answer the questions. She does not because no one expects her to. Don't you want to hear why 5 people on her staff plead the 5th about deleting the emails? I seriously do want to hear her response because what can she say? Not the easy way out of "it was bad judgment" but the specific response as to how/why they would need to plead the 5th unless they didn't want to incriminate themselves. They were told not to delete the emails and yet they did it anyway. Covering what up? I want to hear how she responds to the specific emails that show quid pro quo for her foundation to access when she was the Sec of State. Let's hear her directly answer this shit if she wants to be the god damn POTUS. Holy shit it is frustrating.
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Post by boboplata on Sept 26, 2016 23:53:47 GMT -5
The whole thing was lame. I would like for an air horn to be put to use when a DIRECT questions is answered with a deflection or something else entirely. I think I'm not going to bother with the rest of the debates. I know who I am reluctantly voting for and nothing either of them can say will change my mind. A better format would be no moderator/s, questions will be picked by the public in a public poll, 2 minutes will be given, after 2 minutes the mic will be shut off, 30 seconds allowable time to interject & refute by the other person per the given 2 minute.
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Post by sbsbsbsb on Sept 26, 2016 23:55:02 GMT -5
Seemed like he implemented the same strategy he used in the primaries, didn't seem to work well in the one on one general format.
I'm sure he will adapt and come strong next debate.
Hillary did a lot better than I thought she would. Then again, she's a career politician that has made 200 mil in the game and shakes off FBI investigatons like no big deal. The snake game is on point.
"Welcome to the fucking show"
- Hillary
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Post by ocmmafan on Sept 26, 2016 23:56:22 GMT -5
The whole thing was lame. I would like for an air horn to be put to use when a DIRECT questions is answered with a deflection or something else entirely. I think I'm not going to bother with the rest of the debates. I know who I am reluctantly voting for and nothing either of them can say will change my mind. A better format would be no moderator/s, questions will be picked by the public in a public poll, 2 minutes will be given, after 2 minutes the mic will be shut off, 30 seconds allowable time to interject & refute by the other person per the given 2 minute. A better format would be a trust worthy moderator without any bias that would force them back on topic and shut off their microphone themselves when they veer off. If we allow them to go unchecked it would probably be worse.
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Post by ocmmafan on Sept 27, 2016 0:00:17 GMT -5
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Post by Baph on Sept 27, 2016 0:13:57 GMT -5
I caught the last 15 min and I regret even that.
Kudos to Hitlary's pharmacist. Trump needs to get more strategic and clever. She seems like a snarky cunt. Cannot imagine having this bitch as President. A bit disappointed Johnson didn't get included, but he's got himself to blame for a lot of that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 4:58:34 GMT -5
I'm so glad I didn't watch this mess. I think the debates stopped really mattering like 20 years ago. Dog and pony shows mostly now. 80% of the country is voting for a team color, not a candidate. And the other 20% can't make up their mind, and a debate isn't going to sway permanently them as they'll be easily swayed one way or the other like 20 more times between now and November.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 6:26:36 GMT -5
Well its poll now (as I post this at 7 AM EST) shows a 52% edge for Trump and I guess that's about right. Trump seemed a bit too blustery and rude with the interruptions and such, but he brought up a LOT of things that the Sea Hag (thanks Baph) has no answer for.
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Post by peAk on Sept 27, 2016 6:32:40 GMT -5
I watched an hour or so....
meh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 6:42:14 GMT -5
I watched the first hour and thought it was hilarious. Hillary said, "I wrote a book about it" to which Trump responded, "that's about all you have done." GOLD JERRY! GOLD!!!
He also needs to stop blabbering about how he owns businesses and properry in every city or state he talks about because it makes him seem too elite for the everyman and stop with the superfluous speech about how great and beautiful his results will be.
Hillary just looked like a smug shit. Like she just has to sit there and smile to win. I hate her so I think it hurts her but who knows.
That is my 2 cent observation as a know nothing armchair analysis though...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2016 7:04:02 GMT -5
I still can't believe that one of these numpties is going to be president.
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Post by PatSox on Sept 27, 2016 8:53:19 GMT -5
Among the things that blow my mind, when it comes to our process of choosing a president, is the fact that debates play such a big factor. The fact that we even have them is incredible
We allow a format that is designed to sway voters based on who answers questions better and has better debating skills? Everyone goes on about integrity and getting to the truth, but here is a mechanism that we all accept and give immense consideration to, that is designed to help the candidate who does the best job of telling us what we want to here, whether they mean it or not. Basically, what that means is, we want the person who is a better bullshitter
Fucking ridiculous. Throw it in there with things like political parties and speech writers and choosing a running mate soley so you can win their state, as another thing that absolutely should not be allowed to exist, but everyone just accepts like it's fine
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Post by adamg01 on Sept 27, 2016 9:01:56 GMT -5
Among the things that blow my mind, when it comes to our process of choosing a president, is the fact that debates play such a big factor. The fact that we even have them is incredible We allow a format that is designed to sway voters based on who answers questions better and has better debating skills? Everyone goes on about integrity and getting to the truth, but here is a mechanism that we all accept and give immense consideration to, that is designed to help the candidate who does the best job of telling us what we want to here, whether they mean it or not. Basically, what that means is, we want the person who is a better bullshitter Fucking ridiculous. Throw it in there with things like political parties and speech writers and choosing a running mate soley so you can win their state, as another thing that absolutely should not be allowed to exist, but everyone just accepts like it's fine Well, common sense left politics a long time ago. The far left is a prime example of that.
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