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Post by Elissa on May 18, 2017 9:04:17 GMT -5
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Post by peAk on May 18, 2017 9:11:30 GMT -5
Suicide
Damn,
Big fan of his work in Soundgarden, Temple of the Dog and a lot of his solo stuff. Didn't really follow Audioslave but I imagine that stuff was probably good too.
Really underrated singer.
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Post by johncfc on May 18, 2017 9:14:12 GMT -5
Can't say I was a huge fan, but definitely enjoyed his music and saw him play live a half dozen times or so.
Man, he was talented and his voice was perhaps the most impressive I have heard.
Assumed it was drug-related, but seems to be suicide.
Sad.
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Post by jamesod on May 18, 2017 9:35:38 GMT -5
I am not a big fan but was considering going to the show last night just because I had never seen him before and figured why not check it out? Ended up at a different concert (Justin Townes Earle and the Sadies) instead. Kind of glad I didn't go - would have been weird to have seen him hours before he died.
Unbelievable voice, that's for sure.
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Post by boboplata on May 18, 2017 9:35:51 GMT -5
Courtney Love did it.
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Post by boboplata on May 18, 2017 9:37:31 GMT -5
I am not a big fan but was considering going to the show last night just because I had never seen him before and figured why not check it out? Ended up at a different concert (Justin Townes Earle and the Sadies) instead. Kind of glad I didn't go - would have been weird to have seen him hours before he died. Unbelievable voice, that's for sure. please get some bieber tickets. He might off himself.
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Post by MMAJim on May 18, 2017 9:47:55 GMT -5
I'm generally against getting too worked up about 'celebrity' deaths. This one does fall just a tick above that for me. The first batch of CD's I ever bought (From Columbia House) almost included Temple of the Dog based solely on the name of the band. As it turns out, that would have been one of the best purchases ever. (basically it was still epic with Pearl Jam, Nirvana, GNR, The Eagles, Steve Miller Band and Cypress Hill) Anywho, I was obviously a fan through Soundgarden, Temple of the Dog, and Audioslave. I got to see him live at a small venue in Minneapolis once too, so it is a slightly more relate-able passing for me.
Say Hello to Heaven (or maybe hell depending on what you believe and if it was a suicide)
Pump it up
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Post by matt on May 18, 2017 10:22:29 GMT -5
Suicide? Damn, what a pansy.
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Post by matt on May 18, 2017 10:23:42 GMT -5
Gonna go listen to slaves and bulldozers now...that pansy had a voice.
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Post by Premier on May 18, 2017 11:41:16 GMT -5
Eddie should go next.
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Post by mmaphreak on May 18, 2017 11:47:25 GMT -5
nirvana got all the press and accolades from that era, but i always thought soundgarden was the better band and cornell's singing was far superior to cobain's. too bad.
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Post by ocmmafan on May 18, 2017 12:41:03 GMT -5
Suicide? Leave behind kids and maybe a wife (not sure if he is married). Selfish move of a coward.
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Post by slaytan on May 18, 2017 13:01:37 GMT -5
Another mediocrity already forgotten by everyone outside a 15 year age range
Edit: for the record when I was 17 I had Ultramega OK, louder than love, bad motor finger, and even a live set. Back when I made 140.00 a week and cds cost 17.99
edit2: I guess he killed himself. Probably got turned down for sex from 2 random 18 year old hotties in a row, who had never heard of him and thought he was repulsive, which rocked him to the core and he couldn't recover. I couldn't either if I were him
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Post by peAk on May 18, 2017 15:03:03 GMT -5
Damn, Tough Crowd
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Post by floater on May 18, 2017 19:59:09 GMT -5
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Post by boboplata on May 18, 2017 20:05:45 GMT -5
kek
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Post by boboplata on May 18, 2017 21:45:56 GMT -5
Say whatever you want about Mustaine, he comes out cool in this vid.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 22:59:45 GMT -5
Just heard and I'm REALLY fucking upset over this.
I don't care what anyone says, IMO Soundgarden was the best grunge band ever over Nirvana, AIC, anyone.
He was the best lyricist and best singer.
Most of the time when famous people die it doesn't bother me but I loved Soundgarden since age 14, one of the first bands I ever even liked period.
And I really fucking don't understand so many people attacking him for this.
I mean yeah, leaving behind kids if he had any (and to some extent a wife) is a weak move, but anyone who kills themselves is in a pretty fucking bad place and must have felt like there was no way out, and there's no way anyone else can ever know how it was for that particular person at that particular time to be able to say they would or wouldn't have done the same.
I don't see what good kicking a guy when he's "dead" LOL, does anyway.
I guess it's just self reassurance that we are all badasses...
R.I.P.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 23:15:11 GMT -5
After reading on wikipedia that he used to have an Oxycontin dependency I bet it was depression induced by withdrawal.
I knew a dude who killed himself, also leaving behind a family...and yeah, seems selfish and horrible to leave them behind, which it is in a way...but at the same time, and while no one else ever said so, I knew he had an Oxycontin addiction too and I could make a guess it had to do with that.
From what I know, the depression caused by opiate withdrawal can be beyond serious.
Also, I just read his wife said she spoke to him before hand and he was slurring his words cause he was on Ativan, so that probably played a role.
So yeah, both of them should have gotten help, but IMO, I'm not able to judge since I've never been in severe opiate withdrawal (or whatever else they were going through), so simply calling it "weakness" and nothing more, yeah, that kind of denies the way the brain responds to something as serious an opiate addiction/drug addiction.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2017 23:57:33 GMT -5
You can make all of the excuses you want for him... but he just fucked his kids up for their whole life. Once you become a parent your only job is to put your kids first, he failed and even worse quit on them and abandoned innocent kids.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 0:05:58 GMT -5
You can make all of the excuses you want for him... but he just fucked his kids up for their whole life. Once you become a parent your only job is to put your kids first, he failed and even worse quit on them and abandoned innocent kids. I don't read most of your posts, but got curious so checked this one, and don't bother posting another cause I won't read it. While I understand what you are saying, and do agree that once you become a parent your job is to put your kids first, neither you nor anyone else can claim they know for sure they wouldn't have done what he or anyone else who ever killed themselves did in their situation. I'm not "making an excuse" as much as saying in my personal opinion, no one has the right or even the ability to be able to judge a person for an action like that. I mean sure, you have the "right" to say what you want, but you can't know, I can't know, no one can. Many people might imagine they could never do that to their kids, and many might not, but everyone has a fucking breaking point and I guess for whatever reason he reached his. I think it makes a lot more fucking sense, when something like this happens, not to jump on the "what a fucking coward for leaving behind a kid" wagon, and simply say "that's sad, R.I.P.". I don't believe anymore in people comparing themselves to eachother. "I would/wouldn't have done such and such in this situation so someone who did/didn't is weak or a pussy, etc". You don't know, I don't know, no one knows, and their life is/was theirs. Anyone else is just looking from afar and judging a situation they have no ability to gauge from anything other than their own perspective, which is obviously not the perspective of the person who killed himself. R.I.P. is about the only reasonable response to give IMO. Anything else is just bullshit based on our vantage points.
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Post by mmaphreak on May 21, 2017 0:33:17 GMT -5
You can make all of the excuses you want for him... but he just fucked his kids up for their whole life. Once you become a parent your only job is to put your kids first, he failed and even worse quit on them and abandoned innocent kids. I don't read most of your posts, but got curious so checked this one, and don't bother posting another cause I won't read it. While I understand what you are saying, and do agree that once you become a parent your job is to put your kids first, neither you nor anyone else can claim they know for sure they wouldn't have done what he or anyone else who ever killed themselves did in their situation. I'm not "making an excuse" as much as saying in my personal opinion, no one has the right or even the ability to be able to judge a person for an action like that. I mean sure, you have the "right" to say what you want, but you can't know, I can't know, no one can. Many people might imagine they could never do that to their kids, and many might not, but everyone has a fucking breaking point and I guess for whatever reason he reached his. I think it makes a lot more fucking sense, when something like this happens, not to jump on the "what a fucking coward for leaving behind a kid" wagon, and simply say "that's sad, R.I.P.". I don't believe anymore in people comparing themselves to eachother. "I would/wouldn't have done such and such in this situation so someone who did/didn't is weak or a pussy, etc". You don't know, I don't know, no one knows, and their life is/was theirs. Anyone else is just looking from afar and judging a situation they have no ability to gauge from anything other than their own perspective, which is obviously not the perspective of the person who killed himself. R.I.P. is about the only reasonable response to give IMO. Anything else is just bullshit based on our vantage points. while a bit verbose, i think for the most part, i agree. opiate addiction is a mother fucker and often times benzos (like ativan) are prescribed as a bridge and rarely helps. the guy was enormously talented and i don't think ever really got the shine he deserved. whatever demons he was battling got the best of him and it's a damn shame. RIP.
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Post by Baph on May 21, 2017 11:34:59 GMT -5
I'm a fan. From the early days up through things he's been putting out just in the past few years, like that jam on the Man of Steel soundtrack. Iconic voice and style. Part of the initial grunge movement. But was able to survive and evolve and make a long, interesting career blossom out of the early stardom. But I will also say that I do not fall on the "poor Chris" side of the discussion. Once you have fucked 10,000 hot women, traveled the globe 10x over, reached a certain level of professional and personal success, your so-called demons are now merely co-dependent ghosts with your self-indulgent personality. Robin Williams, Heath Ledger, Phillip Hoffman . . . you're not 20-something rockstars living out of hotels touring the coast and doing heroin benders so you can die at 27 like Jim did. You're fucking 50, financially set for life, wife and kids, able to manipulate the world around you to your liking, to your need, and you simply lacked the discipline to achieve a successful outcome.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 14:02:31 GMT -5
Agree with the above post aside from the Robin Williams part. Little known fact about his suicide- He'd been diagnosed with dementia, and the diagnosis was a terminal one. The long, slow, ridiculously bullshit terminal ride that my old man is taking as we speak. qz.com/798443/robin-williams-suffered-from-dementia-with-lewy-bodies-a-widely-under-diagnosed-condition/Cornell was candid about his frequent bouts with depression. The other side of long term, hard core drug abuse is that sometimes the damage done to your brain cannot be undone. This guy lived for 52 years, had a net worth of 60 million dollars, and was literally a rock star/rock god. But- the years of opiate abuse did a number on his brain and made it so the dude was still depressed more than he wasn't. His internal pain and anguish translated into some great rock music. And his voice was on another level. I didn't realize how haunting his catalog would be until he died. A shit-ton of songs about death, or filled with references to it. They take on a different tone now that he's dead by his own hand. "Wishing though I never could- blow up the outside world." Well, turns out, you could. "Say hello to Heaven..." Not if you were Catholic. Suicide means you get to say hello to Hell. "I don't like what you've got me hanging from..." Doesn't even require commentary. "Born without a friend, bound to die alone...." In a random room backstage. "But if somebody left you out on the ledge, if somebody pushed you over the edge....." Or if you just jumped off a milk crate. "Nothing, seems to kill me. No matter how hard I try...." Well...mission accomplished? Etc.
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Post by Baph on May 21, 2017 15:18:34 GMT -5
He commented that "I'll wait for you there, like a stone. Wait for you there, alone" is a reference to death waiting for us, to collect us and take us into the ground.
Re: Robin Williams. I did read something on him about a week ago that stated he knew doing films was devastating to his mental health. It would trigger these massive manic episodes of hyper activity, creativity, high energy, for weeks on end, and then leave him massively depressed and alone and fragile after it was over. He wanted to get away from it and try to find a more stable life, but he's legally tied to some obscene child support, mortgages in three states, agents, etc. Just trapped in the lifestyle that forces him to plunge back into the maelstrom knowing it will leave him suicidal and deeply depressed when it's over.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 16:00:29 GMT -5
I'm a fan. From the early days up through things he's been putting out just in the past few years, like that jam on the Man of Steel soundtrack. Iconic voice and style. Part of the initial grunge movement. But was able to survive and evolve and make a long, interesting career blossom out of the early stardom. But I will also say that I do not fall on the "poor Chris" side of the discussion. Once you have fucked 10,000 hot women, traveled the globe 10x over, reached a certain level of professional and personal success, your so-called demons are now merely co-dependent ghosts with your self-indulgent personality. Robin Williams, Heath Ledger, Phillip Hoffman . . . you're not 20-something rockstars living out of hotels touring the coast and doing heroin benders so you can die at 27 like Jim did. You're fucking 50, financially set for life, wife and kids, able to manipulate the world around you to your liking, to your need, and you simply lacked the discipline to achieve a successful outcome. I'm going to disagree. I don't care how many women you fucked or all your stardom, people can be miserable enough to want to kill themselves for a billion and one reasons or why would these people kill themselves? You can just call it "lack of discipline" but I think that is VERY short sighted. Your bolded comment is just a personal judgement call that would have meant nothing to any of these people moments before their deaths, so it's really just your own opinion, which again, if it can't influence a person to want to survive, doesn't matter. Just because someone has been self indulgent can't also mean that their misery is independent of it, they can exist side by side. What, you wouldn't call all they achieved "a successful outcome"?? They HAD the successful outcome and were STILL miserable. You can label it a "poor Chris" or "poor whoever" routine, fact is, for every living organism since the dawn of time, the strongest impulse is for the animal itself to survive, not even its kids but itself, or else people would feel physical pain when their kids or loved ones hurt themselves. For WHATEVER reason, if you don't have that any more, you are essentially fucking broken IMO. Maybe some people can find ways to "un-break" themselves and we can all label them as "the strong ones" and the rest as the "weak ones", so good for them, but I don't see it as being our place to judge. Since when have fame and money and all of that necessarily brought happiness? Lots of the most miserable people of all time have had the most, and a lot of super happy people have very little. Again, I don't see it as my or anyone else's place to judge who should or shouldn't have what it takes to keep pushing on.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 16:10:21 GMT -5
Agree with the above post aside from the Robin Williams part. Little known fact about his suicide- He'd been diagnosed with dementia, and the diagnosis was a terminal one. The long, slow, ridiculously bullshit terminal ride that my old man is taking as we speak. qz.com/798443/robin-williams-suffered-from-dementia-with-lewy-bodies-a-widely-under-diagnosed-condition/Cornell was candid about his frequent bouts with depression. The other side of long term, hard core drug abuse is that sometimes the damage done to your brain cannot be undone. This guy lived for 52 years, had a net worth of 60 million dollars, and was literally a rock star/rock god. But- the years of opiate abuse did a number on his brain and made it so the dude was still depressed more than he wasn't. His internal pain and anguish translated into some great rock music. And his voice was on another level. I didn't realize how haunting his catalog would be until he died. A shit-ton of songs about death, or filled with references to it. They take on a different tone now that he's dead by his own hand. "Wishing though I never could- blow up the outside world." Well, turns out, you could. "Say hello to Heaven..." Not if you were Catholic. Suicide means you get to say hello to Hell. "I don't like what you've got me hanging from..." Doesn't even require commentary. "Born without a friend, bound to die alone...." In a random room backstage. "But if somebody left you out on the ledge, if somebody pushed you over the edge....." Or if you just jumped off a milk crate. "Nothing, seems to kill me. No matter how hard I try...." Well...mission accomplished? Etc. I thought of these lyrics: "Heard it from another room Eyes were making up just to fall asleep Love's like suicide Dazed out in a garden bed With a broken neck lays my broken gift Just like suicide" Cornell and Soundgarden were a big impact on me cause they essentially got me into music. The only bands I actually liked before them at age 13 were The Red Hot Chilli Peppers (I still love their old stuff but not as much their newer slow stuff), a band from the Bronx called 24-7 Spyz I'd heard on Bevis and Butthead at age 13 who I thought sounded like them (I STILL love them, SUPER under rated) and any band that had that "funk rock" style like one Fishbone album and some Living Colour who also rock. I'd heard Nirvana, STP and Tool on MTV but hadn't yet gotten into them and after getting Superunknown at 14 I realized how there was other great music that sounded different, later got into Metallica and became a metal head. So yeah, they essentially made me interested in music beyond RHCP and were pretty important to me and many other kids growing up in that grunge-era of the mid 90s. His lyrics were AMAZING and surreal...still remember that weird ass video for Black Hole Sun. I was always the one amongst my friends saying Soundgarden was better than Nirvana, AIC, Pearl Jam, STP, etc and they were all like "nah". His lyrics and vocals, Kim Thayil's crazy unique guitar work, they were seriously one of a kind and much more than just a grunge band. When you compare their music on a technical level to that of Nirvana's for example, Nirvana just sounds like a 3 chord punk band.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 16:34:13 GMT -5
Is it wrong that my favorite Soundgarden song was Pretty Noose? FWIW I'm talking seriously here.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 16:55:41 GMT -5
Is it wrong that my favorite Soundgarden song was Pretty Noose? FWIW I'm talking seriously here. To me it just makes me wonder if you've really listened to Superunknown or Badmotorfinger or their earlier albums which IMO are much much better than Down On the Upside. But most of his stuff was pretty quality either way, although I never really was that into Audioslave and liked both Soundgarden and RATM separetely more than the combo. Now I am thinking of just buying all his solo albums and everything he released with Audioslave, as I already have all of the Soundgarden albums. As a collector, when it comes to bands who I really liked early on, I prefer not to download.
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Post by Premier on May 23, 2017 8:25:22 GMT -5
I have never thought about killing myself, but I'm OK with people that do; I understand. They just want to check out and they should have a right to do so.
Think about it, to want to kill yourserlf you must be going through some tough shit.....like really, really tough shit. I think if anything, the family members are the selfish ones that want you to keep going through your pain and anguish just so they can have you around.
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