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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 21:59:37 GMT -5
Why is that? I tend to agree but am setting you up a little bit.
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Post by Angelo on May 2, 2017 22:31:55 GMT -5
Pre-existing conditions is something that should be split between at-fault and not at-fault. If your pre-existing condition is the result of your stupidity (ie: skiing off your roof), yeah an insurance company needs to hedge against you. If it is the result of force majeure (born with it, caused by someone else, caused by you doing something in the service of another, caused by a natural event/aging) it should not be allowed to affect your rates. That's my opinion anyways.
I'm the kinda person that is infuriated at the people that want to discriminate based on gender/sex/race/whatever, but I believe a private business should be able to do so if they want. HOWEVER. I think education and healthcare should be at all cost prevented from discrimination because both of them are a requirement of society. Buying a fucking cake, shopping at that specific shoe store, eating at that specific restaurant, are all choices. Education and living, those are needed in society for us to survive and should be offered to all.
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Post by Baph on May 3, 2017 0:10:17 GMT -5
Letting the government control education and healthcare will be the doom of our society. Our educational system, despite spending more $ per student than any nation on Earth, is a fucking train wreck. You've got people in the big metros fighting to get into charter schools like it's Willy Wonka's golden ticket. Whose dick I gotta suck to get my kid the fuck outta public daycare? Everything these dunces touch turns to sludge. We have a continent teeming with brilliant, innovative, visionary people and you want to turn heart surgery and cast setting over to the fucking feds? Why do you hate children?
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Post by Angelo on May 3, 2017 0:14:57 GMT -5
Letting the government control education and healthcare will be the doom of our society. Our educational system, despite spending more $ per student than any nation on Earth, is a fucking train wreck. You've got people in the big metros fighting to get into charter schools like it's Willy Wonka's golden ticket. Whose dick I gotta suck to get my kid the fuck outta public daycare? Everything these dunces touch turns to sludge. We have a continent teeming with brilliant, innovative, visionary people and you want to turn heart surgery and cast setting over to the fucking feds? Why do you hate children? Oh I agree the way they are handling it is not well. And I'm not even saying it should be government controlled in the end. For both of them I honestly believe the best solution for everyone, is a quasi-public structure. Government backed, Private run. Now while the quasi-public structure is the wet dream of everyone that wants to compromise, I do think it fails in most respects. However, education, security, healthcare, those are systems where it such a system can shine. And right now our educational system is failing because of state level issues, not the Feds (though that may change with DeVos in charge) |
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Post by Baph on May 3, 2017 0:30:33 GMT -5
Oh I agree the way they are handling it is not well. And I'm not even saying it should be government controlled in the end. For both of them I honestly believe the best solution for everyone, is a quasi-public structure. Government backed, Private run.So like the housing mortgage bubble that we're just now crawling out of 9 yrs later? I like it. As long as government has a central role, and things are mandatory, I'm in. |
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Post by Angelo on May 3, 2017 1:15:01 GMT -5
Oh I agree the way they are handling it is not well. And I'm not even saying it should be government controlled in the end. For both of them I honestly believe the best solution for everyone, is a quasi-public structure. Government backed, Private run.So like the housing mortgage bubble that we're just now crawling out of 9 yrs later? I like it. As long as government has a central role, and things are mandatory, I'm in. No. First like I said, in most it isn't good. However the housing mortgage issue (thanks carter) is a horrible example of quasi-public but rather the government stepping into a market that is predominately private, on behalf of other parties. What I"m talking about is a heavily regulated system that can still operate for-profit. Government provides the initial infrastructure and regulations and protections, and private industry runs the operations. A true quasi-public healthcare system would result in historic lows for healthcare taxes while providing universal healthcare at an actual increased quality. Education on the other hand, that is harder to figure out. |
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Post by matt on May 3, 2017 1:41:28 GMT -5
Why is that? I tend to agree but am setting you up a little bit. Slavery was banned a while back... ;-] |
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Post by Angelo on May 3, 2017 2:22:42 GMT -5
Why is that? I tend to agree but am setting you up a little bit. Slavery was banned a while back... ;-] Well three states sorta still allow it, even Obama didn't decide to strike down the state enforcement of civil debt imprisonment in PA, MO, and WA. |
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Post by PatSox on May 3, 2017 8:32:05 GMT -5
I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion of who the next serious democratic presidential candidate that you die-hard repubs need to worry about is It's not Michelle Obama. Not because I don't think she can win, but that she won't run. I did enjoy scaring you guys with her though. It's not antiques like Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden etc. It's someone from Massachusetts. And no, I'm not talking about the one you guys are thinking of. The feather headed princess, who always sounds like she's about to break down and cry when she talks about all the mean old social injustices of the world It's a 4 tour, decorated Iraq war vet / graduate of Philips Academy and Harvard University / U.S. State Rep at the mere age of 38. And he even has a cool sounding name....Seth Moulton This guy is Fox News' worst nightmare. He's young. He's got a nice big square jaw, like Sean Hannity. He's highly educated. He's a poster boy for valor, bravery and service to his country. He has political experience, but he's not some old washington elite, lifer that can pointed to as "the problem." He's well spoken and likable. He has no scandals or controversy to speak of, as of yet. If he runs, he's going to be very hard to play the usual tear down game with that partisan political pundits are so fond of I'm not just trying to mess with you guys, like I was with Michelle. This is the guy. If he decides to run, be afraid. That's all I'm sayin.......fuck, I hate that phrase. But it applies right now Seth Moulton 2020, could be the ticket that grabs Trump's re-election chances right by the pussy   |
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Post by boboplata on May 3, 2017 8:38:47 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they're trying to make damning evidence against that guy already.
And by "they" i meant the evil council of democratic powers, to keep that brian stann dude on the leash.
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Post by daywork on May 3, 2017 8:41:39 GMT -5
^^^ LOL its to early to start looking for the next president.
Plus I'm waiting for Trey Gowdy to run
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Post by PatSox on May 3, 2017 8:53:53 GMT -5
^^^ LOL its to early to start looking for the next president. Plus I'm waiting for Trey Gowdy to run You have no idea how much I wish that was true. But we jumped the shark on that idea already Hell Trump is still holding rallies, even though he just won the damn job. Part of me thinks it's because his ego demands it. All the bad press and mean things people say about him make him crave the applause and encouragement he gets at those rock concert like environments. The other part of me has the sad realization that it's already begun. The 2020 race is already on and he's having rallies for his re-election NOW This is the new reality, daywork. As much as that sucks |
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Post by ocmmafan on May 3, 2017 9:10:33 GMT -5
Be extremely difficult to enter Seth as the candidate with the current liberal platform - he doesn't fit. He may be a potential contender because he is ex military and his criticism of the current administration will carry some weight, but he isn't the kind of person that leaps to mind to get a few hundred million of Soros money. Is he going to be out there talking about how much free shit people deserve, how bad successful people are, how the middle class should pay more taxes and how white people are the devil? That IS the current democrat platform and they appointed that crazy, radical Tom Perez to head the DNC.
My bet is they double down on the class warfare platform and rally the sheep again in 2020.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 9:13:31 GMT -5
I would point out the other side of the Trump rallies being that he's constantly railing against the media, and his rallies now mostly involve him talking about his own perspectives on the garbage being pushed by the media.
But yes, on it's face value- it is weird that he's holding rallies after already winning.
And if Moulton can demonstrate that he's a middle of the road D, he might stand a chance against Trump. BUT.....
If Trump's tax plan goes through, it might be wise to save Moulton for 2024 and let Trump slaughter Warren in 2020.
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Post by PatSox on May 3, 2017 9:16:18 GMT -5
Be extremely difficult to enter Seth as the candidate with the current liberal platform - he doesn't fit. He may be a potential contender because he is ex military and his criticism of the current administration will carry some weight, but he isn't the kind of person that leaps to mind to get a few hundred million of Soros money. Is he going to be out there talking about how much free shit people deserve, how bad successful people are, how the middle class should pay more taxes and how white people are the devil? That IS the current democrat platform and they appointed that crazy, radical Tom Perez to head the DNC. My bet is they double down on the class warfare platform and rally the sheep again in 2020. You could be right. They are THAT stupid. And that stuck in their ways. The fact that he doesn't fit is exactly why they would want to hitch themselves to his wagon....if they were smart. He has massive cross-over appeal. Almost all the old tear down tactics would not apply to him. But yeah, the way that party works, with how they collude and put their money into one person and submarine anyone else (Bernie), if they don't make him the guy, then he probably won't be. Unless he starts winning over people so much that they can't ignore him and have to annoint him and act like he was their guy all along That scenario could definitely happen, OC. Where even against their agenda, they see the writing on the wall and turn to the guy with momentum and a real chance to win |
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Post by Premier on May 3, 2017 9:34:06 GMT -5
What's up with PatSox and his friend calling Adam Jones a nigger at Fenway?
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Post by PatSox on May 3, 2017 9:41:23 GMT -5
What's up with PatSox and his friend calling Adam Jones a nigger at Fenway? I was like, "look at 'im. Standin there like he owns the damn place. Chewin on them free sunflower seeds. Being all black and shit. Probably be stickin his dirty black dick in some treasonous white whores after the game, in some expensive hotel room, on some decadent silk sheets." Then I just started hucking peanuts at him and told him to, "GO BACK TO ZIMBABWAY YUH GOD DANG NIGRAH!!!" Then when they dragged me out of there, I was all like, "I thought this America. Is this America? I'm sorry, I thought this was America!" |
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Post by matt on May 3, 2017 11:08:33 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they're trying to make damning evidence against that guy already. And by "they" i meant the evil council of democratic powers, to keep that brian stann dude on the leash. Good remembrance although Brian stann doesnt have a cuck jawline. |
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Post by Baph on May 3, 2017 11:09:53 GMT -5
Here is a literal fucking quote from Occupy Democrats today regarding John Walsh's response to Jimmy Kimmel's teary-eyed plea for marxist healthcare. "Sorry Jimmy, your your sad story doesn't obligate me or anyone else to pay for someone else's healthcare." John Walsh "Current law, Obamacare does obligate you. Luckily, you are no longer in a position of power to make a decision otherwise." Occupy Democrats Take a second, read that again, and really digest what is being said. Luckily, you no longer have the power to make a decision. That has 11,000 likes and 2,400 shares on a major progressive social media outlet. You do not have the freedom to choose, to opt out, to disagree, or just to be an asshole. You will comply, citizen. Bake the fucking cake. Power the Matrix. Cog the wheel. Oh, and we're anti-fascist . . . somehow.  But tell me more of this compromise we should be working for . . . |
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Post by Baph on May 3, 2017 11:28:31 GMT -5
I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion of who the next serious democratic presidential candidate that you die-hard repubs need to worry about is It's not Michelle Obama. Not because I don't think she can win, but that she won't run. I did enjoy scaring you guys with her though. It's not antiques like Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden etc. It's someone from Massachusetts. And no, I'm not talking about the one you guys are thinking of. The feather headed princess, who always sounds like she's about to break down and cry when she talks about all the mean old social injustices of the world It's a 4 tour, decorated Iraq war vet / graduate of Philips Academy and Harvard University / U.S. State Rep at the mere age of 38. And he even has a cool sounding name....Seth Moulton This guy is Fox News' worst nightmare. He's young. He's got a nice big square jaw, like Sean Hannity. He's highly educated. He's a poster boy for valor, bravery and service to his country. He has political experience, but he's not some old washington elite, lifer that can pointed to as "the problem." He's well spoken and likable. He has no scandals or controversy to speak of, as of yet. If he runs, he's going to be very hard to play the usual tear down game with that partisan political pundits are so fond of I'm not just trying to mess with you guys, like I was with Michelle. This is the guy. If he decides to run, be afraid. That's all I'm sayin.......fuck, I hate that phrase. But it applies right now Seth Moulton 2020, could be the ticket that grabs Trump's re-election chances right by the pussy So like Jim Webb 2016? Or Wesley Clark 2004? Yeah, no. This guy gets 4% of the vote, tops. Elizabeth Warren, 100% guarantee, full-on angry marxist class warfare rants, stirring up bitterness, covet thy neighbor's paycheck, race/gender/immigrant cards in a straight flush -- the move to the far edges has achieved insurmountable inertia at this point. This guy? Zero chance. Waaaay too rational. Too honest. Nope. |
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Post by PatSox on May 3, 2017 13:32:14 GMT -5
I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion of who the next serious democratic presidential candidate that you die-hard repubs need to worry about is It's not Michelle Obama. Not because I don't think she can win, but that she won't run. I did enjoy scaring you guys with her though. It's not antiques like Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden etc. It's someone from Massachusetts. And no, I'm not talking about the one you guys are thinking of. The feather headed princess, who always sounds like she's about to break down and cry when she talks about all the mean old social injustices of the world It's a 4 tour, decorated Iraq war vet / graduate of Philips Academy and Harvard University / U.S. State Rep at the mere age of 38. And he even has a cool sounding name....Seth Moulton This guy is Fox News' worst nightmare. He's young. He's got a nice big square jaw, like Sean Hannity. He's highly educated. He's a poster boy for valor, bravery and service to his country. He has political experience, but he's not some old washington elite, lifer that can pointed to as "the problem." He's well spoken and likable. He has no scandals or controversy to speak of, as of yet. If he runs, he's going to be very hard to play the usual tear down game with that partisan political pundits are so fond of I'm not just trying to mess with you guys, like I was with Michelle. This is the guy. If he decides to run, be afraid. That's all I'm sayin.......fuck, I hate that phrase. But it applies right now Seth Moulton 2020, could be the ticket that grabs Trump's re-election chances right by the pussy So like Jim Webb 2016? Or Wesley Clark 2004? Yeah, no. This guy gets 4% of the vote, tops. Elizabeth Warren, 100% guarantee, full-on angry marxist class warfare rants, stirring up bitterness, covet thy neighbor's paycheck, race/gender/immigrant cards in a straight flush -- the move to the far edges has achieved insurmountable inertia at this point. This guy? Zero chance. Waaaay too rational. Too honest. Nope. I will bet you 3,000 prussian franks that you're wrong. I know you want it to be Warren, so you can continue to bitch for the next four years like you did with the other carbon copy old white liberal lady, but I don't think you're going to get your wish. Ultimately it will be Captain America Vs the secret head of Hydra. Robert Redf.....I mean Donald Trump |
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Post by Baph on May 3, 2017 14:11:29 GMT -5
If the establishment DNC that just railroaded Sanders and elected a marxist latino chairman, the corporate fat cat progressive Superdelegates, and the new world order sorros progressive money machine back this dude I'll suck a stray dog's dick and upload it to YouTube.
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Post by PatSox on May 3, 2017 14:14:09 GMT -5
If the DNC, Superdelegates, and progressive money machine back this dude I'll suck a stray dog's dick and upload it to YouTube. As long as it's consensual |
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Post by Baph on May 3, 2017 14:35:14 GMT -5
Why people think you're fake news: (via Libertarian Republic)
According to Merriam-Webster, ‘fascism means:’
“a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.”
Here’s Google’s definition:
“An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.” with a secondary meaning of “(in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.”
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Post by Angelo on May 3, 2017 15:16:03 GMT -5
Elizabeth Warren has a very solid voter bloc, but a rather limited one at that while only having expertise in one area. She's destined for Sec of Education for the next Democratic President or possibly a moderate Republican. She'd be slaughtered in the primaries.
Seth Moulton very likely could wind up a VP candidate, but again he'd be slaughtered in the primaries. He doesn't have much personal fundraising power, and really he has only won against a scandal ridden Dem and a gay Republican, so he never has shown the ability to win an even footed election.
DNC still wants Howard Schultz to step in, and his stepping down from his CEO spot may be a precursor to him throwing his hat in the ring this time.
Now Tulsi Gabbard can and would win. She actually quit politics at one point to stay on deployment in Iraq. She is a moderate Democrat, Women, Military, Smart, and brilliant foreign policy stances.
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Post by jamesod on May 3, 2017 15:22:31 GMT -5
Elizabeth Warren has a very solid voter bloc, but a rather limited one at that while only having expertise in one area. She's destined for Sec of Education for the next Democratic President or possibly a moderate Republican. She'd be slaughtered in the primaries. Seth Moulton very likely could wind up a VP candidate, but again he'd be slaughtered in the primaries. He doesn't have much personal fundraising power, and really he has only won against a scandal ridden Dem and a gay Republican, so he never has shown the ability to win an even footed election. DNC still wants Howard Schultz to step in, and his stepping down from his CEO spot may be a precursor to him throwing his hat in the ring this time. Now Tulsi Gabbard can and would win. She actually quit politics at one point to stay on deployment in Iraq. She is a moderate Democrat, Women, Military, Smart, and brilliant foreign policy stances. What about Biden? Biden is being recognized more and more, I notice. |
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Post by jsporty1 on May 3, 2017 15:35:23 GMT -5
Watching the final debate before the French election: Le Pen is making Macron look like a fool.
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Post by ocmmafan on May 3, 2017 15:42:43 GMT -5
Elizabeth Warren has a very solid voter bloc, but a rather limited one at that while only having expertise in one area. She's destined for Sec of Education for the next Democratic President or possibly a moderate Republican. She'd be slaughtered in the primaries. Seth Moulton very likely could wind up a VP candidate, but again he'd be slaughtered in the primaries. He doesn't have much personal fundraising power, and really he has only won against a scandal ridden Dem and a gay Republican, so he never has shown the ability to win an even footed election. DNC still wants Howard Schultz to step in, and his stepping down from his CEO spot may be a precursor to him throwing his hat in the ring this time. Now Tulsi Gabbard can and would win. She actually quit politics at one point to stay on deployment in Iraq. She is a moderate Democrat, Women, Military, Smart, and brilliant foreign policy stances. Get these on record. You're the Cal Ripken of getting shit wrong and your streak shows no signs of slowing down. Jackel the "iron man" of inaccurate political predictions. |
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Post by daywork on May 3, 2017 15:45:25 GMT -5
Watching the final debate before the French election: Le Pen is making Macron look like a fool. Nice
I was going to watch it on YouTube. But figured it would all be in French, so I didn't bother clicking on it.
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Post by jsporty1 on May 3, 2017 15:49:11 GMT -5
The one link was to a dubbed version. I can't stand that, so I went to the actual French website and watched it in French.
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