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Post by boboplata on Mar 7, 2017 21:06:29 GMT -5
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Post by slaytan on Mar 7, 2017 21:59:01 GMT -5
Well, duh
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Post by boboplata on Mar 7, 2017 22:15:06 GMT -5
This is not a direct personal attack,-toehold's my boy- but this somewhat counters the "I personally know smart people" defense.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Mar 7, 2017 22:37:30 GMT -5
Everyone that has gotten a PM from Toehold, should send him the link via PM...
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Post by ToNoAvail on Mar 7, 2017 23:47:06 GMT -5
I'm actually hoping he's high when he sees this thread and we get an inspired, multi-paragraph mega response post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 1:23:54 GMT -5
Bobo, you are going to get an angry, whiny, pissy pm like many other people have gotten in the past
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Post by ToNoAvail on Mar 8, 2017 2:46:48 GMT -5
I think toehold is passionate, and takes tongue in cheek speak a little too literally sometimes.
I'd be bummed if he suddenly stopped posting, he's one of my favorite members and a staple of the forum.
In regards to the thread topic, being informed doesn't necessarily always reflect intelligence, although being more intelligent probably gives one a stronger desire to become properly informed. But hey, I'm definitely not trying to stick up for the dumb tardo libs. They're idiots, the lot of em!
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Post by PatSox on Mar 8, 2017 7:39:34 GMT -5
This is what I always believed as well. Republicans certainly care more to watch and read the news, albeit their side's news, more then left winger's watch their preferred news slant. In doing so, you're going to be more informed on what's being discussed, what the hot issues are that are deemed to be important, who people are etc. Because they've been angry and on the losing end for a while and feel marginalized. Dems were living high on the hog, and most of them naturally don't care as much about keeping up with that sort of thing anyway. They just like to pretend they know after watching 30 second youtube clips of the Daily Show or Bill Maher, etc
Plus Republicans have the clear numbers in terms of the elderly. People who aren't nearly as distracted by the same trappings of today's generations, like social media, video games, social activities, playing sports, going out at night.....having a job. They have a lot more time to simply sit and watch and read about politics and world issues. So they will know who certain people are in government and the judicial system a lot more often. They will know what's going on in the world, whether it's important or not. Plus they're not getting their historical context from google and wikipedia on things that came before them, because a lot of these things didn't come before them....they LIVED it. And again, those people are republican by majority
So yeah, this report shouldn't surprise anyone
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Post by johncfc on Mar 8, 2017 9:55:13 GMT -5
This is not a direct personal attack,-toehold's my boy- but this somewhat counters the "I personally know smart people" defense. Of course Toehold personally knows smart people. Everyone he has ever met in his life must appear to be a genius in comparison to him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 11:29:57 GMT -5
Bobo, you are going to get an angry, whiny, pissy pm like many other people have gotten in the past This. It's coming.
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Post by PatSox on Mar 8, 2017 15:05:46 GMT -5
Bobo, you are going to get an angry, whiny, pissy pm like many other people have gotten in the past This. It's coming. Everyone that has gotten a PM from Toehold, should send him the link via PM... I never have. Actually, you may be surprised by this, but I rarely get them from anyone I DID get one from OC a long ways back. It was hillarious. Dude fucking HATED me
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Mar 8, 2017 15:34:32 GMT -5
Everyone that has gotten a PM from Toehold, should send him the link via PM... I never have. Actually, you may be surprised by this, but I rarely get them from anyone I DID get one from OC a long ways back. It was hillarious. Dude fucking HATED me Was it politically or sports motivated?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 15:57:57 GMT -5
Everyone that has gotten a PM from Toehold, should send him the link via PM... I never have. Actually, you may be surprised by this, but I rarely get them from anyone I DID get one from OC a long ways back. It was hillarious. Dude fucking HATED me I hate you, and will send you a PM if you want?
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Post by johncfc on Mar 8, 2017 17:14:08 GMT -5
Everyone that has gotten a PM from Toehold, should send him the link via PM... Years ago I made an off the cuff criticism of death metal. Toehold pm'ed me about a dozen times of essays, and this was before Toehold learned what a paragraph was, of why I should respect death metal. I never really read or replied to any of his pm's, but would have a couple of new ones everyday.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 18:30:37 GMT -5
I got a few from Toehold. He kept asking me my opinion on various collapsible batons. I'd tell him what I thought, then he'd tell me he wasn't getting the one I suggested. Then he kept on explaining why he wasn't getting it, via more PM's, like I really give a fuck what kind of self defense weapon he carries in the first place. It's not my ass they're kicking.
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Post by matt on Mar 8, 2017 19:06:22 GMT -5
I think this indicates that to a large degree, people who voted Republican are more apt to do personal research in order to seek out facts.
Where as democrat voters are more concerned about social validation, and are happy to go with the group consensus without much research into the subject at hand.
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Post by boboplata on Mar 8, 2017 19:44:39 GMT -5
This is what I always believed as well. Republicans certainly care more to watch and read the news, albeit their side's news, more then left winger's watch their preferred news slant. In doing so, you're going to be more informed on what's being discussed, what the hot issues are that are deemed to be important, who people are etc. Because they've been angry and on the losing end for a while and feel marginalized. Dems were living high on the hog, and most of them naturally don't care as much about keeping up with that sort of thing anyway. They just like to pretend they know after watching 30 second youtube clips of the Daily Show or Bill Maher, etc Plus Republicans have the clear numbers in terms of the elderly. People who aren't nearly as distracted by the same trappings of today's generations, like social media, video games, social activities, playing sports, going out at night.....having a job. They have a lot more time to simply sit and watch and read about politics and world issues. So they will know who certain people are in government and the judicial system a lot more often. They will know what's going on in the world, whether it's important or not. Plus they're not getting their historical context from google and wikipedia on things that came before them, because a lot of these things didn't come before them....they LIVED it. And again, those people are republican by majority So yeah, this report shouldn't surprise anyone No where does it indicate the ages of those who took the test, but I agree. Older people tend to be republicans OR when a democrat actually lived a life outside of academia & faces reality, they turn republican. Post-grad progressives, I would assume, their republican counterparts. Probably the love school so much. OR too scared to dip their toes irl. This was done in 2012, imagine those numbers now.
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Post by boboplata on Mar 8, 2017 19:47:47 GMT -5
ALSO:
Please do not copypaste or reveal contents of PMs of other members. That would defeat the purpose of PMs and kinda shitty to treat a person who confided/s in you. If you got beef, keep it in pm section. Don't spill details in the forums.
Dick pics are ok.
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Post by slaytan on Mar 8, 2017 20:25:30 GMT -5
I used to get a lot of PMs from Toehold regarding Fedor. I never read a single one
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Post by boboplata on Mar 8, 2017 21:34:23 GMT -5
I used to get a lot of PMs from Toehold regarding Fedor. I never read a single one
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Post by johncfc on Mar 9, 2017 9:42:20 GMT -5
ALSO: Please do not copypaste or reveal contents of PMs of other members. That would defeat the purpose of PMs and kinda shitty to treat a person who confided/s in you. If you got beef, keep it in pm section. Don't spill details in the forums. Dick pics are ok. Don't tell me what to do.
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Post by Baph on Mar 9, 2017 12:15:45 GMT -5
My totally anecdotal experience has been somewhat confusing in regard to the left vs right as it pertains to intelligence.
Growing up in rural Oklahoma, there are plenty of dumbass republicans who are Pentecostal because their parents were, republican because their parents were, drive Chevy because their parents did, made it out of a failing high school by the skin of their tooth, and could't solve a rubix cube with a gun to their head.
Unfortunately, I've seen it every bit as bad and probably worse with ghetto trash, natives in housing projects, and obnoxiously exuberant freshmen who have this crazed certainty about shit they can't begin to articulate, dissect, or defend, yet they're about three seconds away from coming to blows with you over it because they are THAT sure.
What's scary to me, though, are the higher ups. The clearly, unquestionably intelligent people who still have these behaviors. Who still get weirdly irrational over certain topics, like college football (not fucking kidding), religion, and politics. One of the smartest guys I know is a practicing Mormon and . . . man, I just really struggle with that. Like . . . dude, how? I mean, you've got the internet, you're a critical thinker, he's much smarter and more analytical than me . . . yet . . . he's a goddamend Mormon. A follower, openly, of a silly ass, blatantly made-up religion. There are chemical engineers and architects in Oklahoma (using those specific examples intentionally) who will detonate the north end off the fucking building if you bring up OU football in a negative light. It's like a switch flips and something deep in that primitive brain takes over and we are no longer dealing with the same person. Bruh . . . it's a bunch of 20 yr old kids, largely from out of state, wearing a jersey and playing sports, and you're going to made a scene at work over . . . ok put the scissors down, Jeff. And these are super smart, professional people. And politics is even worse. Having spent a lot of time in academia (associates, bachelors, masters with double minor, TA and internship for two years after) I personally know a lot of people who aren't smart, they're fucking brilliant, and yet they have the political worldview of a fucking child, zero intellectual honesty, and a fierce emotional reaction when broaching specific subjects. Frankly, it's unsettling, because it's easy to imagine that this is how wars get started. And if you don't bite your tongue, cower down, walk on egg shells when these topics are being discussed . . . well, like I said, they will burn the fucking building down and they're not bluffing. There will be catastrophic drama in the workplace, career-altering incidents, possibly physical violence, and certainly there will be "meetings" where you're called to defend your offensive comments that have caused certain co-workers to feel uncomfortable in a hostile work environment. They will fucking come after you. Published authors, research grant winners, tenured professors, regional managers, and if you say the wage gap is a myth, you just signed your fucking death certificate. That's the culture, the environment of open exchange and tolerance that pervades the left, and intelligence doesn't seem to me to have much to do with it. All of these nut jobs would beat me in an IQ test and literally beat me if I wore a MAGA hat to the social mixer this weekend. JK I would pulverize skeletal matter with near impunity, but you get my point.
There is something powerful in human DNA that drives us to cling to emotionally compelling narratives. My team. My tribe. My religion. My cause. My party. My movement. My identity. The survival of our way of life. And that emotional attachment to this group over-rides everything, your skepticism, your self critique, your critical thinking, your objectivity, even your social etiquette. It's powerful shit. Clearly from an evolutionary standpoint, getting people to support the tribe, without question, in times of challenge, was a huge advantage, because that compulsion is deeply embedded in us and highly intoxicating, addicting, and cannot be altered with discussion, failure, or social pressure.
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Post by Baph on Mar 9, 2017 13:03:56 GMT -5
See the deal at Middlebury college just ran the author of The Bell Curve off campus, attacked a professor that was supporting him, pounded on the car windows at they were rushed away, scene looked like it was juuuuuuust about to get way out of hand, like someone ends up badly injured or dead, at a fucking college, because a conservative speaker was invited to lecture. This is what I mean. Book burning, witch trials, seems like some crazy primitive thing our crude ancestors did, huh? www.nytimes.com/2017/03/07/opinion/discord-at-middlebury-students-on-the-anti-murray-protests.html?_r=0
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 23:53:18 GMT -5
I may not be able to solve a Rubik's cube, but I know how to spell it.
Just sayin'.
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Post by TitoOrtizIsAPunk on Mar 11, 2017 0:06:15 GMT -5
Rubik's/Rubix is actually one of those Mandela Effects example... :/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 17:38:31 GMT -5
Too bad you guys didn't get me when I'm in the mood to respond much, and you guys know I'm trying to stay out of this stuff lately.
I've shifted to watching and reading news rather than arguing about it and keeping up pretty well lately with the latest stories.
Pretty much all I will say is that there are so many studies like this and they all say different things and by and large they are just massive generalizations about all sorts of individuals who are really very different but happen to vote for the same party, or a different one.
I've read studies saying liberals have higher IQs and don't buy that either.
It's all way too general.
And Patsox, I don't agree with your idea that most libs don't care to keep up with the news.
Of course it's just my experience, but many I know are constantly watching it and reading it day and night.
In only VERY briefly skimming a few posts (didn't read most of them to be honest), I'll say I liked what Baph said about people "clinging to my tribe, my people, etc".
It's true of so many of us to follow in our families and friends' footsteps regarding world views like politics and religion etc, and maybe it shouldn't be, but that's what a whole lot of it is, not just one side being "smarter" than the other.
I'm not in an argumentative mood now, so unless you all want to get me there (which I doubt lol) then you guys shouldn't try more to get me interested in posting in this thread.
Take advantage of the fact that I'm not pissy at the moment and drop it so you all don't get annoyed by my long ass responses, cause this mood might not last long lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 0:23:57 GMT -5
That wasn't a long response?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 0:25:59 GMT -5
^^^^^
Not sure what was said here but I'm not reading it.
"Just say no" to political threads on this forum is my new motto...
Talk amongst yourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 0:37:00 GMT -5
I agree with Toehold. Too vague and too many generalizations plus it doesn't catch all demographics. Are we talking libs across the board? People liberal on social issues, government's role, or financial?
Or are we talking somebody who is liberal across the board versus conservative across the board?
I think we get too much of the SJW liberal type people thrown in our faces everyday that we forget there are some pretty even keeled people who are liberal and are definitely smart as shit, they just don't go all crazy with the feminazi, SJW, victimization complex shit.
This is also 5 years old.
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Post by adamg01 on Mar 12, 2017 0:43:31 GMT -5
I agree with Toehold. Too vague and too many generalizations plus it doesn't catch all demographics. Are we talking libs across the board? People liberal on social issues, government's role, or financial? Or are we talking somebody who is liberal across the board versus conservative across the board? I think we get too much of the SJW liberal type people thrown in our faces everyday that we forget there are some pretty even keeled people who are liberal and are definitely smart as shit, they just don't go all crazy with the feminazi, SJW, victimization complex shit. This is also 5 years old. I've been saying for awhile now that the lunacy of the far left have destroyed the Democratic Part and the cake walk they should have had in 2016. A lot of the older democrats in my area are pissed that we even have to argue over women going in men's restrooms and vice versa.
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