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Post by ocmmafan on Mar 6, 2017 11:50:48 GMT -5
California has inclusion laws that now mandate special needs kids are placed in the same classrooms as other kids. Any parents dealing with this? The special needs kids can be problematic in that they distract the fuck out of the kids actually trying to pay attention and learn. Middle schoolers trying to learn Algebra have to deal with kids spinning fidget spinners, shouting shit out, and doing whatever they want. The special needs kids clearly need special attention, but because we are such a fucked up PC culture we want to pretend ALL kids should have access to the exact same learning environment. The end result is the special needs kid learns nothing because the class is too advanced and/or the teacher has no training in special needs methods. The kids that can follow the curriculum have their attention diverted from the lesson plan while the special needs kid(s) do their thing. Everyone loses so we can advance the notion that all kids are equal and inclusion benefits all.
WTF? How is this helping anyone? I'm speaking with some other parents about how to approach this with the school as we all know the one kid who is basically a school room terrorist and that disrupts classrooms. It's hard enough trying to get kids to pay attention in class and actually learn something without this special needs nonsense.
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Post by peAk on Mar 6, 2017 12:07:51 GMT -5
hmm....haven't heard about this happening in Texas yet. I can't imagine how this could be a positive thing.
It' hard enough to get kids to pay attention already without having an even worse distraction.
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Post by ocmmafan on Mar 6, 2017 12:30:22 GMT -5
hmm....haven't heard about this happening in Texas yet. I can't imagine how this could be a positive thing. It' hard enough to get kids to pay attention already without having an even worse distraction. It's crazy. At first, I assumed my kid was exaggerating but now I am hearing stories from other parents and it's ridiculous. The teacher is actually being kind of cool about it but he told me his hands are tied and I can tell he doesn't want to say anything, but that he is also very frustrated. The teacher did confirm he cannot stop the kid from spinning his toy or even say anything - the kid has full freedom to interrupt class as long as he is not physically attacking other kids. Screaming? Allowed. Slapping his desk or playing with toys? Allowed. Insanity.
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Post by PrivateSchoolDeathMetal on Mar 6, 2017 12:43:23 GMT -5
Private school is the refuge from PC bureaucratic bullshit. You know the people who made this decision for public schools send their own kids to private school.
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Post by MMAJim on Mar 6, 2017 12:52:01 GMT -5
Here's my version of this. 6 kids in line at gymnastics class. Limited time each rotation (5 year olds here). Get through a couple kids and their 15 second turn on the uneven bars with coach/helper. Get to the 4th, little SOB that can't stand in line, can't follow the rules, pushing shoving, running around, jumping on shit he's not supposed to, etc. Coach/helper gives this guy about 5 solid minutes of pep-talk, extra time on the apparatus, some pump ups. OK fine, then kid gets off, the other 5 year olds who waited patiently in line get their 15 second touch, then we're back to the kid with shitty parents. The coach, soaks in another 5 mins with the kid and boom, time is up for that station.
This is just some little petty thing in a fun gymnastics class. Just think of how hard it is for 5 yr olds to stand there in line patiently. Then to top it off, they are punished for doing what they are told. In this example, the kid's parent should be called out and instructed to shape the kid up. We don't do that.
Look, truly special needs kids, there are some lines there. Having them participate as much as possible is important, and the teacher should get some additional support in the room. However, it doesn't have to be all day, and it doesn't have to be just for special needs kids. Look, I'll say it, I'm 'lucky' my kid is a smart fart. My wife would be irritated by me saying 'lucky' because we (especially my wife) expend a lot of additional time and effort on educational things for our daughter (ie reading, exploring, playing math games, whatever). Our public classrooms are programmed to divert resources away from kids that are doing what they are supposed to do at school. Maybe it was a needed course correction at some point, teaching students in different ways to help make sure everyone learns. However, public schools are wildly off course in a lot of areas at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 13:16:20 GMT -5
I call bullshit on the "access to the same level of education". The special needs kids always had a smaller class, with more teachers and aides.
While I cant attest for what they were learning, you could just ramp that up a bit according to their needs and go from there.
I understand the want and perhaps the need to mingle the kids together. But distracting other kids from learning is just dragging the rest down. I'm sure some kind of happy medium could have been implemented that would have had a bit more common sense involved.
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Post by peAk on Mar 6, 2017 14:08:41 GMT -5
The other problem I see with this is the extra stress puts on the teachers.
Not just any teacher can deal with kids with special needs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 14:10:11 GMT -5
If someone ever succeeds in explaining to me how my kids are better off being held back by straight up retards, that'll be a pretty amazing thing. I hope we don't have any kind of law like that in Maine, because if we do: Private School. Death Metal. No question about it. Our kids need every advantage in this changing world, and here we are, the most powerful nation on the planet- blatantly dumbing down our future generations via every means possible. This isn't a new thing. We've been dropping in the global education rankings since I was still in school. The solution to this is to say special needs kids don't actually have special needs and should be integrated in with the rest of the kids who's chromosomes aren't all fucked up? That's pretty stupid.
I'd say get the fuck out of California, because it's gonna get worse. But that's probably not the best solution.
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Post by peAk on Mar 6, 2017 14:23:53 GMT -5
Why can't we write off private schools on our taxes?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 14:25:58 GMT -5
Why can't we write off private schools on our taxes? It's considered a "luxury item", which given the state of our public schools today- I think that's some bullshit. Maybe Trump fixes that, but probably not.
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Post by Baph on Mar 6, 2017 14:26:50 GMT -5
Get ready for shitty public schools to somehow become . . . worse??? . . . yes, worse . . . if it can be imagined, and the only answer will be to increase funding and centralized controls, where social agendas are force fed upon the children of the nation under government mandate of inclusion, tolerance, and assembly line curriculum that's currently ranking somewhere around 30th in the world despite being #1 in funding.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 16:01:25 GMT -5
5 years ago I never would have thought I would send my kids to private school because there are so many pussies and wieners that attend them... but every day that goes by it becomes more likely.
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Post by Baph on Mar 6, 2017 16:55:20 GMT -5
Bruh I'm just gonna give my kids the wifi password and drop em at the library 3-4 days a week. School is about the worst thing you can do to a kid in 2017.
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Post by MMAJim on Mar 6, 2017 17:16:31 GMT -5
I will say, we are doing private school and it is great. It may go against the grain a little in here but it is a Catholic School. Guess what, it is incredibly diverse too, both racially and economically. In reality, it really isn't that expensive for people making an OK living. The church and the school do a hell of a lot of fundraising so kids that can't afford it outright can still attend the school. It is quite small, and almost like a Hallmark Card. In another radical move, the school doesn't talk about diversity and inclusion like some sort of marketing tool. It just is diverse and amazingly the kids all interact with each other like classmates. I have know idea if we'll be able to afford private high school, it's a big jump. K-8 though? It is the best $4,000 we spend every year. Just for the class size alone it is worth it. Then factor in that they aren't afraid to talk about challenging the kids, teaching the pledge of allegiance, requiring parents to participate and volunteer, etc. I could go on and on passionately, and my daughter is only in Kindergarten.
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Post by Fasthands25 on Mar 6, 2017 17:16:56 GMT -5
My graduation year had to start 3 weeks late due to a teachers strike. One of the big issues was that the provincial gov wanted to de fund the special ed programs, remove class size limits and cut funding. Those three things together would have caused a nightmare.
Imagine, in a class with 36 people, 2 are special needs, and being forced to use very outdated books. Would have been a big fucking issue to deal with as a student. Thankfully it didn't come to that.
My highschool had a great special ed program, they had their own classes, teachers who were trained specifically to deal with them etc.
Most teachers are not equiped to teach them, and it causes issues when they are enlisted in classes with regular students. Goodluck trying to get extra help from the teacher while said teacher is attempting to calm down little Jimmy Shitty Pants who can't stop screaming and "finger painting" all over the wall.
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Post by boboplata on Mar 6, 2017 17:51:32 GMT -5
Private school is the refuge from PC bureaucratic bullshit. You know the people who made this decision for public schools send their own kids to private school. Go to public school to learn nothing but racism and socialist ibdoctrination. Catholic schools ftw! Just dont let the proest Sandusky you.
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Post by Fasthands25 on Mar 6, 2017 18:02:18 GMT -5
Private school is the refuge from PC bureaucratic bullshit. You know the people who made this decision for public schools send their own kids to private school. Go to public school to learn nothing but racism and socialist ibdoctrination. Catholic schools ftw! Just dont let the proest Sandusky you. Honestly i preferred my public school experience better. Did private school all the way till grade 8, and public for the rest. It was a decision I made. Granted the private school i went to was a fucking joke, fuck em. But my public school had great course options, you could even get your trades apprenticeship in grade 11/12 so you could get your career started right out of highschool. I have a few buddies who went into that, they are way ahead of most people in our age group. But in general private schools do tend to be the better option I would assume.
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Post by locogato11283 on Mar 6, 2017 20:45:04 GMT -5
It's pretty simple.
The US government wants stupid people.
Stupid people are easier to control.
End of story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 9:52:10 GMT -5
I will say, we are doing private school and it is great. It may go against the grain a little in here but it is a Catholic School. Guess what, it is incredibly diverse too, both racially and economically. In reality, it really isn't that expensive for people making an OK living. The church and the school do a hell of a lot of fundraising so kids that can't afford it outright can still attend the school. It is quite small, and almost like a Hallmark Card. In another radical move, the school doesn't talk about diversity and inclusion like some sort of marketing tool. It just is diverse and amazingly the kids all interact with each other like classmates. I have know idea if we'll be able to afford private high school, it's a big jump. K-8 though? It is the best $4,000 we spend every year. Just for the class size alone it is worth it. Then factor in that they aren't afraid to talk about challenging the kids, teaching the pledge of allegiance, requiring parents to participate and volunteer, etc. I could go on and on passionately, and my daughter is only in Kindergarten. 4k a year? I pay that much already for preschool. Sweet deal. Your child is likely exposed to a lot more "good kids" this way. Good on you Jim. Public schools are getting downright bad.
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